but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
At one point Lastings Milledge was mentioned as trade bait for Â
but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
but this guy might be bad enough defensively to be a worse start than Nido/Lobo. Oh well, he used to be good. Maybe being with a “contender” can bring some life into his career.
but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
The difference is that the players I mentioned were still in their primes. A chronic lack of return on investment is a core driver for us basically sucking for 20 years. Combined w madoff/wilpon of course.
ago, Harvey was a legit #1 ace with multiple years of being under team control. I'm sure they could have traded him because he was/is a prima donna but injuries did him in. If he was still an ace, they would put up with his attitude all day long.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
Why would the Mets have been looking to deal them? Young, cost-controlled talent is exactly what you want in this league.
The Mets didn't know Milledge wouldn't pan out or Fernando would get injured.
It's like saying they should have dealt Rosario last year simply because he had value.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
So, are you going to play this game with every team that has a prospect flame out? What is it about Harvey that dragged you onto a baseball thread?
Vargas is absolutely horrendous. They have to get this guy out of the rotation immediately. The team isn't competitive at all when he pitches. Just cut bait and get Lugo stretched out.
Lol, Vargas broke his own Mets record of allowing the most runs Â
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I would imagine the Mets will option Tomas Nido back to Triple-A Las Vegas after tonight's game to clear space for Luis Guillorme, who should be active tomorrow. Sounds like Mesoraco will start more often than not behind the plate for Mets.
Remember when Vargas was looked at as a value signing? Â
I was fine with it as depth - I thought he'd be able to be an innings eater when we needed someone to start. Figured he'd have outings where he got totally bombed but have other outings where he at least kept us in the game.
Guy is a complete turd. Just bury him somewhere. I can't believe we signed this player for 2 years.
like a Mets player story. Drafted in the first round, top prospect, comes into his own in 2014, makes the AS Game, signs a fairly lucrative four year deal, then plays in 23, 16, and 56 games in the next three years due to injury.
Not only was Harvey a bad pitcher but he was a malcontent. The epitome of a me-first guy. Pissed and moan about going for the BP and outright refused to go to the minors. Harvey forced their hand. And clearly the Mets didn’t know that Vargas would suck this bad.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
There were people who wouldn’t trade Harvey for Mike Trout in 2013. The Mets should be looking to acquire young, offensive prospects. If this team is hovering around .500 in July, you have to wonder if it makes sense to sell off DeGrom, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Familia, etc and build around young, offensive players.
Cmon - no one would have turned down Mike Trout for Matt Harvey... ever. That's a pretty serious exaggeration.
I could swear I read that as a hypothetical and people weren’t sold. I don’t think building around young pitching is how you build a sustainable winner in 2018. Build around young cost controlled positional players & then get pitching when ready to compete.
Trout was a 10 fWAR player in 2013. The Angels would have laughed the Mets off the phone if they called and offered up Harvey for him.... even then.
Anyone here who said they wouldn't have done that was definitely in a very small minority because anyone who wouldn't take the best player in the entire sport for a good young pitcher would be batshit crazy.
Still have to get pitching from somewhere. It's easy to just say "trade everyone, sign pitching later"
But good pitching often isn't available on the market.
Look at what CHC paid for Darvish - not even remotely worth it so far.
I would keep drafting pitchers and spend my FA dollars on hitters. I'd milk the arb years out of the pitchers and then try to deal them before they're due for new contracts.
Hitters are a little easier to commit money to. I wouldn't want to be stuck paying a pitcher huge, long-term money.
RE: So Harvey was bumped from the rotation for Vargas? Â
Just another shitty baseball team that was constructed in a way where they'd only succeed if every single thing imaginable went right. Which it never does.
This team sucks. It's not going to get better either just because they'll have an inevitable hot streak. The end result will be another mediocre season under the amazing Sandy Alderson.
Hey Shecky, how’s that shuttle doing with all those fresh, good Â
You all are great. This alone makes me glad I joined this place. I’ve always felt alone w how quickly I go south w my met negativity. Glad I’m not the only one.
He is TERRIBLE. We shouldve signed Lynn or Cobb instead.
God forbid a legit starter like Arrieta but we can't afford nice things here in Queens.
I think all of us can agree the Mets needed a legit top 3 starter in offseason. But the team kept spinning and spinning to media the hype of our has-been (never was) pitching staff that I think we all bought into it more w the Vargas signing then we normally would,
Matt was terrible in his starts this year but Vargas is worse. Why not give him a few more minor league starts to make sure he was ready?
is this a serious question?
Yes, I know we are all supposed to hate Harvey. Mets completely mishandled the situation imo. Vargas had one minor league start, in which he did poorly, and was just handed Harvey's spot in the rotation. How has that worked out? Harvey was not good. Vargas has been way worse.
Both of them were awful, but Harvey had the added BS of not taking Â
the ML assignment. You can't get shelled in every appearance and expect to keep getting starts. It's a totally selfish position to take and thinks nothing of the rest of the team. It wasn't just the runs being given up. THe at-bats were about as painful as passing kidney stones. He was being outpitched by the bullpen arms coming in to clean up his messes.
RE: Both of them were awful, but Harvey had the added BS of not taking Â
the ML assignment. You can't get shelled in every appearance and expect to keep getting starts. It's a totally selfish position to take and thinks nothing of the rest of the team. It wasn't just the runs being given up. THe at-bats were about as painful as passing kidney stones. He was being outpitched by the bullpen arms coming in to clean up his messes.
I don’t think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him down— not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.
And I’ll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone
RE: RE: Both of them were awful, but Harvey had the added BS of not taking Â
the ML assignment. You can't get shelled in every appearance and expect to keep getting starts. It's a totally selfish position to take and thinks nothing of the rest of the team. It wasn't just the runs being given up. THe at-bats were about as painful as passing kidney stones. He was being outpitched by the bullpen arms coming in to clean up his messes.
I don’t think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him down— not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.
And I’ll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone
I don’t know whether to laugh or shake my head at this post.
Nobody likes going to the minors. Tough shit. It’s part of the game. Don’t suck then. I really don’t care what Harvey has done. That was a long time ago.
The Mets didn’t leave Harvey in to get shelled and then use that as a reason to send him down. Jesus Christ, that’s a ridiculous notion. Harvey was a bad pitcher alll on his own. As a starter and in the pen.
Yes, they probably knew he wouldn’t accept a minor league assignment, but I’m sure they were hoping he would. But in true Harvey fashion, he told his employer to fuck off. I wonder what would happen if you told your employer to fuck off after refusing an assignment?
Harvey has been making himself look bad for years all on his own. This kid has a sense of entitlement like I’ve never seen. Personally, I hope he continues to have the most embarrassing career in baseball.
If #Reds fix Harvey, they perhaps can flip him at deadline. If not, they can DFA him. Mesoraco’s defensive skills are diminished; one scout says, “Good luck with him trying to catch Syndergaard, Matz and Wheeler.” Still, worth a shot for both clubs. Both players were sunk costs.
I don’t think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him down— not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.
And I’ll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone
Leaving him in to get shelled? He pitched a shutout inning in a game that was already out of hand, how was he getting shelled? Callaway is supposed to burn his bullpen because Harvey can't get an out in a 2nd inning? I get it, you loved Harvey, but he burned his bridges. It's not the Mets' fault, it is his.
can somehow turn Harvey around in a month or two and get a real asset from a contender for him at the deadline, it'll be a black eye on Alderson and our coaching staff (who I still really like despite the recent shittiness on the field). I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that.
The team is putting garbage like Vargas on the mound every fifth day. If they gave away someone who could help for close to nothing, it would be an error.
All that being said, I wouldn't hold my breath. Harvey's stuff looked like complete shit the past 5 times I saw him this year.
It's always fun to point out where their seasons ultimately die a death. This year it was the last weekend in April. Great.
Things aren't trending well but the team is 18-16 with Thor and DeGrom, as well as Cespedes and Conforto, not out for the season yet. I'm not waiving the white flag. It's a long season.
Things aren't great but are you really saying the season is dead and you're done watching games already? Cmon, don't give up yet!. Keep some half hearted hope like the rest of us and just vent your frustration on these threads. They've been hilarious this year and a source of smiles for at least this Metnut.
Things aren't trending well but the team is 18-16 with Thor and DeGrom, as well as Cespedes and Conforto, not out for the season yet. I'm not waiving the white flag. It's a long season.
Things aren't great but are you really saying the season is dead and you're done watching games already? Cmon, don't give up yet!. Keep some half hearted hope like the rest of us and just vent your frustration on these threads. They've been hilarious this year and a source of smiles for at least this Metnut.
I agree Metnut. If someone showed me a snapshot of today's standings in mid-march, I don't think I would be surprised other than the Nationals. Obviously the 11-1 start makes the current record a disappointment. The season is long and things still need to play out. What I am struggling with is if we are close to the division lead or WC spot come All-Star Break, what do we do. Do we chase fools gold. I recall in 04 the Kazmir - V. Zambrano trade when we clearly weren't a team that was good enough. Regardless of the record, should the Mets should consider making moves for the future or do they try to make a run for 2018?
I just don't understand why things get so rotten so quickly with this team.
At 11-1, all they had to do was hover around .500 and they'd be in the postseason mix for most of the year.
But we couldn't just hit a slump, everything had to just come apart at the seams at once and everything had to go completely down the tubes.
I know we're technically still above .500 which is hard to believe given what we've watched these last 2 weeks or so - but this just has that all-too-familiar Mets freefall stench that we've felt countless times before.
I don't see how this is going to get better.
deGrom is going to start Sunday but who knows if he even makes it through that start let alone the rest of the season.
Wheeler has gotten progressively worse since the encouraging first start. Matz has been up and down. Harvey is gone. Vargas is HORRENDOUS. Thor isn't dominating like we expect him to.
Beyond that the lineup fucking sucks.
Frazier and Cespedes are banged up now. We have black holes @ C that are auto outs, Reyes is finished, Conforto has predictably struggled...
The pen hasn't even been great. Sewald has been awesome... Swarzak predictably still isn't even healthy, Blevins has been awful, Ramos is "eh"....
How is this turning around or getting better?
It's another crappy baseball team designed to succeed only if every single thing breaks our way. That won't happen because it never happens.
at the same time. In order of importance, the downturn started when these 3 things tipped:
1. The bottom of the lineup became an anchor - we know this is not an enormously talented offensive team, so they needed to win with a balanced offense. Rosario and the catchers fell off a cliff so the bottom 1/3 of the lineup is putrid. Some others have underperformed (Conforto/Bruce) and overperformed (Nimmo/Cabrera) which is more of a normal variation, the constant anchor has been 7-9. Rosario has always been the biggest wild card for this year's team and that remains the case, and obviously, the catcher injuries have exacerbated his underperformance. Defense has also let them down to make things harder, as it always has in the Sandy era.
2. The starting rotation was uncertain behind top 2. That's obviously still the case and Vargas needs to stop throwing batting practice.
3. The BP entered the season 1 injury away from being thin and Swarzak got injured.
Still a lot of season left but if anything is going to come of this year Sandy and Callaway have their work cut out for them. They need to find a more consistent offensive mix but I don't think that's impossible because they have some pieces to work with.
With the pitchers Callaway needs to get results out of at least 1 of Wheeler/Matz. We see the talent flashes and he is the pitching guru. Failure to develop a #3 will be a Rick Peterson level disappointment. In the BP they will probably just need to add an arm eventually (if they're in it).
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at the same time. In order of importance, the downturn started when these 3 things tipped:
1. The bottom of the lineup became an anchor - we know this is not an enormously talented offensive team, so they needed to win with a balanced offense. Rosario and the catchers fell off a cliff so the bottom 1/3 of the lineup is putrid. Some others have underperformed (Conforto/Bruce) and overperformed (Nimmo/Cabrera) which is more of a normal variation, the constant anchor has been 7-9. Rosario has always been the biggest wild card for this year's team and that remains the case, and obviously, the catcher injuries have exacerbated his underperformance. Defense has also let them down to make things harder, as it always has in the Sandy era.
2. The starting rotation was uncertain behind top 2. That's obviously still the case and Vargas needs to stop throwing batting practice.
3. The BP entered the season 1 injury away from being thin and Swarzak got injured.
Still a lot of season left but if anything is going to come of this year Sandy and Callaway have their work cut out for them. They need to find a more consistent offensive mix but I don't think that's impossible because they have some pieces to work with.
With the pitchers Callaway needs to get results out of at least 1 of Wheeler/Matz. We see the talent flashes and he is the pitching guru. Failure to develop a #3 will be a Rick Peterson level disappointment. In the BP they will probably just need to add an arm eventually (if they're in it).
+1
Nice balanced post.
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Matt is about to find out how much things can REALLY suck. He had it a lot better than he thought here in New York.
Good riddance.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
Life comes at you fast.
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but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
Might only need it for a few innings since Lovitz is on the mound again.
Nolan Ryan?
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but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Nolan Ryan?
You can play this game with every franchise.
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but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
The difference is that the players I mentioned were still in their primes. A chronic lack of return on investment is a core driver for us basically sucking for 20 years. Combined w madoff/wilpon of course.
Seems fair.
The Mets have to lead the majors in first inning runs allowed this year. It's almost every single game.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
LOL Mets...again.
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Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
Why would the Mets have been looking to deal them? Young, cost-controlled talent is exactly what you want in this league.
The Mets didn't know Milledge wouldn't pan out or Fernando would get injured.
It's like saying they should have dealt Rosario last year simply because he had value.
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Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
So, are you going to play this game with every team that has a prospect flame out? What is it about Harvey that dragged you onto a baseball thread?
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I would imagine the Mets will option Tomas Nido back to Triple-A Las Vegas after tonight's game to clear space for Luis Guillorme, who should be active tomorrow. Sounds like Mesoraco will start more often than not behind the plate for Mets.
I don’t think their was a single person that liked this signing at any price. Maybe one person.
Guy is a complete turd. Just bury him somewhere. I can't believe we signed this player for 2 years.
Alderson is getting harder and harder to defend.
Wayne Randazzo.
Gary is off.
This team is very hard to watch.
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Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
There were people who wouldn’t trade Harvey for Mike Trout in 2013. The Mets should be looking to acquire young, offensive prospects. If this team is hovering around .500 in July, you have to wonder if it makes sense to sell off DeGrom, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Familia, etc and build around young, offensive players.
I could swear I read that as a hypothetical and people weren’t sold. I don’t think building around young pitching is how you build a sustainable winner in 2018. Build around young cost controlled positional players & then get pitching when ready to compete.
Anyone here who said they wouldn't have done that was definitely in a very small minority because anyone who wouldn't take the best player in the entire sport for a good young pitcher would be batshit crazy.
Still have to get pitching from somewhere. It's easy to just say "trade everyone, sign pitching later"
But good pitching often isn't available on the market.
Look at what CHC paid for Darvish - not even remotely worth it so far.
I would keep drafting pitchers and spend my FA dollars on hitters. I'd milk the arb years out of the pitchers and then try to deal them before they're due for new contracts.
Hitters are a little easier to commit money to. I wouldn't want to be stuck paying a pitcher huge, long-term money.
is this a serious question?
Cincy?
Serves him right.
Maybe a minor league stint now doesn't sound so bad does it big Matt?
The Mets suck, man.
Can't blame injuries, can't blame Collins.
Just another shitty baseball team that was constructed in a way where they'd only succeed if every single thing imaginable went right. Which it never does.
He just struck out 16 batters in his last outing too, didn't he?
Heck of a little roll he's on.
The Mets have the fourth worst bullpen in the NL. Again, Sandy at his finest.
Bums like Robles still getting their number called often, wearing out good relievers in games that are out of reach...
I never thought the Mets would be good this year, but I'm actually amazed by how quickly they were able to erase an 11-1 start.
They're going to be under .500 by Memorial Day easily.
Can't wait!
He is TERRIBLE. We shouldve signed Lynn or Cobb instead.
God forbid a legit starter like Arrieta but we can't afford nice things here in Queens.
He is TERRIBLE. We shouldve signed Lynn or Cobb instead.
God forbid a legit starter like Arrieta but we can't afford nice things here in Queens.
I think all of us can agree the Mets needed a legit top 3 starter in offseason. But the team kept spinning and spinning to media the hype of our has-been (never was) pitching staff that I think we all bought into it more w the Vargas signing then we normally would,
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Matt was terrible in his starts this year but Vargas is worse. Why not give him a few more minor league starts to make sure he was ready?
is this a serious question?
Yes, I know we are all supposed to hate Harvey. Mets completely mishandled the situation imo. Vargas had one minor league start, in which he did poorly, and was just handed Harvey's spot in the rotation. How has that worked out? Harvey was not good. Vargas has been way worse.
I don’t think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him down— not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.
And I’ll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone
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the ML assignment. You can't get shelled in every appearance and expect to keep getting starts. It's a totally selfish position to take and thinks nothing of the rest of the team. It wasn't just the runs being given up. THe at-bats were about as painful as passing kidney stones. He was being outpitched by the bullpen arms coming in to clean up his messes.
I don’t think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him down— not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.
And I’ll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone
I don’t know whether to laugh or shake my head at this post.
Nobody likes going to the minors. Tough shit. It’s part of the game. Don’t suck then. I really don’t care what Harvey has done. That was a long time ago.
The Mets didn’t leave Harvey in to get shelled and then use that as a reason to send him down. Jesus Christ, that’s a ridiculous notion. Harvey was a bad pitcher alll on his own. As a starter and in the pen.
Yes, they probably knew he wouldn’t accept a minor league assignment, but I’m sure they were hoping he would. But in true Harvey fashion, he told his employer to fuck off. I wonder what would happen if you told your employer to fuck off after refusing an assignment?
Harvey has been making himself look bad for years all on his own. This kid has a sense of entitlement like I’ve never seen. Personally, I hope he continues to have the most embarrassing career in baseball.
True but who do you bring in? The farm system is bereft of talent...pathetic!
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WTF. Guy is awful. Who didnt see that coming? Well a 4-2 game just completely got blown out of control Win tomorrow.
True but who do you bring in? The farm system is bereft of talent...pathetic!
No worries. Alderson is around to fuck up another draft
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WTF. Guy is awful. Who didnt see that coming? Well a 4-2 game just completely got blown out of control Win tomorrow.
True but who do you bring in? The farm system is bereft of talent...pathetic!
There are plenty of arms to call up. Drew Smith for one. Add him to the 40.
I don’t think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him down— not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.
And I’ll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone
Leaving him in to get shelled? He pitched a shutout inning in a game that was already out of hand, how was he getting shelled? Callaway is supposed to burn his bullpen because Harvey can't get an out in a 2nd inning? I get it, you loved Harvey, but he burned his bridges. It's not the Mets' fault, it is his.
The team is putting garbage like Vargas on the mound every fifth day. If they gave away someone who could help for close to nothing, it would be an error.
All that being said, I wouldn't hold my breath. Harvey's stuff looked like complete shit the past 5 times I saw him this year.
It's always fun to point out where their seasons ultimately die a death. This year it was the last weekend in April. Great.
It's always fun to point out where their seasons ultimately die a death. This year it was the last weekend in April. Great.
Things aren't trending well but the team is 18-16 with Thor and DeGrom, as well as Cespedes and Conforto, not out for the season yet. I'm not waiving the white flag. It's a long season.
Things aren't great but are you really saying the season is dead and you're done watching games already? Cmon, don't give up yet!. Keep some half hearted hope like the rest of us and just vent your frustration on these threads. They've been hilarious this year and a source of smiles for at least this Metnut.
If I never see Hansel Robles again it will be too soon, but we were all saying that last year!
Things aren't trending well but the team is 18-16 with Thor and DeGrom, as well as Cespedes and Conforto, not out for the season yet. I'm not waiving the white flag. It's a long season.
Things aren't great but are you really saying the season is dead and you're done watching games already? Cmon, don't give up yet!. Keep some half hearted hope like the rest of us and just vent your frustration on these threads. They've been hilarious this year and a source of smiles for at least this Metnut.
I agree Metnut. If someone showed me a snapshot of today's standings in mid-march, I don't think I would be surprised other than the Nationals. Obviously the 11-1 start makes the current record a disappointment. The season is long and things still need to play out. What I am struggling with is if we are close to the division lead or WC spot come All-Star Break, what do we do. Do we chase fools gold. I recall in 04 the Kazmir - V. Zambrano trade when we clearly weren't a team that was good enough. Regardless of the record, should the Mets should consider making moves for the future or do they try to make a run for 2018?
I’m just trying to figure out what the guy is good at? This team is in for a long year.
At 11-1, all they had to do was hover around .500 and they'd be in the postseason mix for most of the year.
But we couldn't just hit a slump, everything had to just come apart at the seams at once and everything had to go completely down the tubes.
I know we're technically still above .500 which is hard to believe given what we've watched these last 2 weeks or so - but this just has that all-too-familiar Mets freefall stench that we've felt countless times before.
I don't see how this is going to get better.
deGrom is going to start Sunday but who knows if he even makes it through that start let alone the rest of the season.
Wheeler has gotten progressively worse since the encouraging first start. Matz has been up and down. Harvey is gone. Vargas is HORRENDOUS. Thor isn't dominating like we expect him to.
Beyond that the lineup fucking sucks.
Frazier and Cespedes are banged up now. We have black holes @ C that are auto outs, Reyes is finished, Conforto has predictably struggled...
The pen hasn't even been great. Sewald has been awesome... Swarzak predictably still isn't even healthy, Blevins has been awful, Ramos is "eh"....
How is this turning around or getting better?
It's another crappy baseball team designed to succeed only if every single thing breaks our way. That won't happen because it never happens.
1. The bottom of the lineup became an anchor - we know this is not an enormously talented offensive team, so they needed to win with a balanced offense. Rosario and the catchers fell off a cliff so the bottom 1/3 of the lineup is putrid. Some others have underperformed (Conforto/Bruce) and overperformed (Nimmo/Cabrera) which is more of a normal variation, the constant anchor has been 7-9. Rosario has always been the biggest wild card for this year's team and that remains the case, and obviously, the catcher injuries have exacerbated his underperformance. Defense has also let them down to make things harder, as it always has in the Sandy era.
2. The starting rotation was uncertain behind top 2. That's obviously still the case and Vargas needs to stop throwing batting practice.
3. The BP entered the season 1 injury away from being thin and Swarzak got injured.
Still a lot of season left but if anything is going to come of this year Sandy and Callaway have their work cut out for them. They need to find a more consistent offensive mix but I don't think that's impossible because they have some pieces to work with.
With the pitchers Callaway needs to get results out of at least 1 of Wheeler/Matz. We see the talent flashes and he is the pitching guru. Failure to develop a #3 will be a Rick Peterson level disappointment. In the BP they will probably just need to add an arm eventually (if they're in it).
1. The bottom of the lineup became an anchor - we know this is not an enormously talented offensive team, so they needed to win with a balanced offense. Rosario and the catchers fell off a cliff so the bottom 1/3 of the lineup is putrid. Some others have underperformed (Conforto/Bruce) and overperformed (Nimmo/Cabrera) which is more of a normal variation, the constant anchor has been 7-9. Rosario has always been the biggest wild card for this year's team and that remains the case, and obviously, the catcher injuries have exacerbated his underperformance. Defense has also let them down to make things harder, as it always has in the Sandy era.
2. The starting rotation was uncertain behind top 2. That's obviously still the case and Vargas needs to stop throwing batting practice.
3. The BP entered the season 1 injury away from being thin and Swarzak got injured.
Still a lot of season left but if anything is going to come of this year Sandy and Callaway have their work cut out for them. They need to find a more consistent offensive mix but I don't think that's impossible because they have some pieces to work with.
With the pitchers Callaway needs to get results out of at least 1 of Wheeler/Matz. We see the talent flashes and he is the pitching guru. Failure to develop a #3 will be a Rick Peterson level disappointment. In the BP they will probably just need to add an arm eventually (if they're in it).
+1
Nice balanced post.
Embarrassing.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
They batted out of order twice? Tell me you are not serious.
You were told wrong.
Break it up and play the kids!
Wilmer TJ Smith Dom Conforto and Nimmo.
Sorry Bruce we have to trade you off again.