but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
At one point Lastings Milledge was mentioned as trade bait for Â
but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
but this guy might be bad enough defensively to be a worse start than Nido/Lobo. Oh well, he used to be good. Maybe being with a “contender” can bring some life into his career.
but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
The difference is that the players I mentioned were still in their primes. A chronic lack of return on investment is a core driver for us basically sucking for 20 years. Combined w madoff/wilpon of course.
ago, Harvey was a legit #1 ace with multiple years of being under team control. I'm sure they could have traded him because he was/is a prima donna but injuries did him in. If he was still an ace, they would put up with his attitude all day long.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
Why would the Mets have been looking to deal them? Young, cost-controlled talent is exactly what you want in this league.
The Mets didn't know Milledge wouldn't pan out or Fernando would get injured.
It's like saying they should have dealt Rosario last year simply because he had value.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
So, are you going to play this game with every team that has a prospect flame out? What is it about Harvey that dragged you onto a baseball thread?
Vargas is absolutely horrendous. They have to get this guy out of the rotation immediately. The team isn't competitive at all when he pitches. Just cut bait and get Lugo stretched out.
Lol, Vargas broke his own Mets record of allowing the most runs Â
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I would imagine the Mets will option Tomas Nido back to Triple-A Las Vegas after tonight's game to clear space for Luis Guillorme, who should be active tomorrow. Sounds like Mesoraco will start more often than not behind the plate for Mets.
Remember when Vargas was looked at as a value signing? Â
I was fine with it as depth - I thought he'd be able to be an innings eater when we needed someone to start. Figured he'd have outings where he got totally bombed but have other outings where he at least kept us in the game.
Guy is a complete turd. Just bury him somewhere. I can't believe we signed this player for 2 years.
like a Mets player story. Drafted in the first round, top prospect, comes into his own in 2014, makes the AS Game, signs a fairly lucrative four year deal, then plays in 23, 16, and 56 games in the next three years due to injury.
Not only was Harvey a bad pitcher but he was a malcontent. The epitome of a me-first guy. Pissed and moan about going for the BP and outright refused to go to the minors. Harvey forced their hand. And clearly the Mets didn’t know that Vargas would suck this bad.
Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
There were people who wouldn’t trade Harvey for Mike Trout in 2013. The Mets should be looking to acquire young, offensive prospects. If this team is hovering around .500 in July, you have to wonder if it makes sense to sell off DeGrom, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Familia, etc and build around young, offensive players.
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Matt is about to find out how much things can REALLY suck. He had it a lot better than he thought here in New York.
Good riddance.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
Life comes at you fast.
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but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
Might only need it for a few innings since Lovitz is on the mound again.
Nolan Ryan?
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but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Nolan Ryan?
You can play this game with every franchise.
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but it seems there are many examples of them trading assets at less (sometimes substantially less) than their peak value.
Combined return of Scott Kazmir, Justin Turner, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes (his original walk year) and Matt Harvey = Victor Zambrano and two backup catchers.
That’s really dumb. Most of those players weren’t even traded, they were free agents. What was the combined return of 40 year old Dickey, Byrd, Niese, and then Herrera?
The difference is that the players I mentioned were still in their primes. A chronic lack of return on investment is a core driver for us basically sucking for 20 years. Combined w madoff/wilpon of course.
Seems fair.
The Mets have to lead the majors in first inning runs allowed this year. It's almost every single game.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
LOL Mets...again.
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Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
Why would the Mets have been looking to deal them? Young, cost-controlled talent is exactly what you want in this league.
The Mets didn't know Milledge wouldn't pan out or Fernando would get injured.
It's like saying they should have dealt Rosario last year simply because he had value.
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Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
So, are you going to play this game with every team that has a prospect flame out? What is it about Harvey that dragged you onto a baseball thread?
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I would imagine the Mets will option Tomas Nido back to Triple-A Las Vegas after tonight's game to clear space for Luis Guillorme, who should be active tomorrow. Sounds like Mesoraco will start more often than not behind the plate for Mets.
I don’t think their was a single person that liked this signing at any price. Maybe one person.
Guy is a complete turd. Just bury him somewhere. I can't believe we signed this player for 2 years.
Alderson is getting harder and harder to defend.
Wayne Randazzo.
Gary is off.
This team is very hard to watch.
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Milledge was a bust - he was never good at the MLB level. Fernando wound up hurt and Gomez was part of the Johan Santana deal which the Mets would go back and do 10 out of 10 times.
That's not the point. As was pointed out, at one point both Milledge and Fernando could have been dealt for much more than what we eventually got out of them. It just seems like this team hasn't had it's finger on the pulse of when that right time to strike is.
There were people who wouldn’t trade Harvey for Mike Trout in 2013. The Mets should be looking to acquire young, offensive prospects. If this team is hovering around .500 in July, you have to wonder if it makes sense to sell off DeGrom, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Familia, etc and build around young, offensive players.