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Interesting Mini-Camp Tryout: Western U FB/LS David Mackie

LI NHB : 5/9/2018 12:43 am
Since the Forum has slowed considerably post-Draft, I thought we could get a little camp hype going. One player that stood out as an interesting prospect is David Mackie out of the Canadian Western University.

Why I find him interesting, aside from the Canadian rules he played under in college, is that he could provide significant value as a versatile player. It's remarkable to me that a guy like Zak DeOssie still holds a roster spot in today's NFL when he provides minimal value outside of longsnapping.

With very good size (6'3" 245) and what appears to be solid mobility, Mackie looks the part. From the minimal highlight cut ups available on YouTube, he appears to be a willing and capable blocker at the FB position and provides consistent longsnapping duties.

My thought is, if a guy like Mackie can show more than just longsnapping, this could be a huge opportunity to open a roster spot by allowing the Giants to move on from the ancient DeOssie and potentially feel compelled to do the same with Shane Smith.

I know this is a long shot and based on minimal intel, but I can't help but think a younger athlete with duel skill sets could help the Giants keep an extra guy for the OL or defensive backfield that could prove useful during the long season.

Food for thought.
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What I think you forget is that  
montanagiant : 5/9/2018 1:19 am : link
Prior to Zak our long snapping was a huge weakness. As a matter of fact, it was so bad it cost us the 2003 playoff game vs SF
Arenít long-snapping specialists the rule in the NFL?  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/9/2018 1:38 am : link
Of course, it would be great to save a roster spot, not to mention a slot on the weekly active list. But itís not quite that simple. Take the example of a fullback who also long-snaps. Any team that carries a fullback almost certainly requires him to contribute on special teams - for example, as a key blocker on the punt unit. If the fullback is the long-snapper, you need another player to fill other roles that the fullback would otherwise perform on those units. Having a specialist also makes it easier for the staff to get the most value from scarce practice time (working with the punter, holder, kicker, etc.)

The bigger issue, though, is injuries. An in-game injury to your long-snapper disrupts two critical units - punts and placements - and few teams have confidence in their emergency snappers. Relative to the value of the 53rd roster spot or the 46th shirt, most of the League has concluded that exposing the long-snapper to heavy pounding just isnít good risk management.

That said, I hope our latest Canadian import excels.
RE: What I think you forget is that  
TheMick7 : 5/9/2018 6:10 am : link
In comment 13958819 montanagiant said:
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Prior to Zak our long snapping was a huge weakness. As a matter of fact, it was so bad it cost us the 2003 playoff game vs SF


And,Zak is always one of the first guys down on ST tackles. No need to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed!
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the mike : 5/9/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 13958835 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 13958819 montanagiant said:


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Prior to Zak our long snapping was a huge weakness. As a matter of fact, it was so bad it cost us the 2003 playoff game vs SF



And,Zak is always one of the first guys down on ST tackles. No need to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed!


This.

The first thing I thought reading the OP's post was "Trey Junkin"... DeOssie has been very reliable over the years. And now there are so many other issues the coaching staff needs to focus on, long snapper need not be one of them...
What BBB said.  
Marty in Albany : 5/9/2018 7:49 am : link
K, P, and LS do only that on today's teams.
But Zak is 32........  
Doomster : 5/9/2018 7:51 am : link
While he has played well, his replacement should be sought out....
RE: But Zak is 32........  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/9/2018 8:01 am : link
In comment 13958857 Doomster said:
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While he has played well, his replacement should be sought out....


Eric's roster page says that Zak is 34. He cannot play forever.

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Trey Junkin Jersey  
Iamhagg1 : 5/9/2018 8:09 am : link
I have it. I know cool story bro...
RE: RE: But Zak is 32........  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/9/2018 8:52 am : link
Doomster said:
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While he has played well, his replacement should be sought out....

Steve in South Jersey said:
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Eric's roster page says that Zak is 34. He cannot play forever.

Age per se is not a big issue. L. P. Ladouceur is 37. Jon Dorenbos was still worth a draft pick in a trade at 37, though he had to retire when his Saints physical revealed an aortic aneurysm. Don Muhlbach and Jon Condo turn 37 in August. Brett Goode and Clark Harris are the same age as DeOssie. A ton of other long-snappers are north of 30. Rule changes to protect them from head and neck injuries have made long-snappers the "left-handed relief pitchers" of football: they can make a nice living into middle age, with a fairly light workload.

DeOssie is currently in the second year of a relatively generous two-year deal (though it's chickenfeed by NFL standards). He now has sufficient seniority to earn the top vet-min salary, which will be $1.03MM in 2019 . So, as long as his surgically-repaired wrist and other body parts hold up and he wants to keep playing, the Giants can sign him to one-year qualifying deals and get about $400K in cap relief.
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njm : 5/9/2018 8:54 am : link
In comment 13958835 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 13958819 montanagiant said:


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Prior to Zak our long snapping was a huge weakness. As a matter of fact, it was so bad it cost us the 2003 playoff game vs SF



And,Zak is always one of the first guys down on ST tackles. No need to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed!


Something that's always overlooked by the "get rid of DeOssie" crowd and their relentless posts. And you don't keep a replacement on your 53 man roster. If Mackie shows he can cover as well as snap, perhaps there's a spot on the practice squad for him.
Seems like the focus is off - the question should be  
jcn56 : 5/9/2018 8:57 am : link
who is our backup LS right now? And if there's no good answer to that question, does Mackie offer enough at FB to warrant consideration with the bonus of being able to fill in for DeOssie should he get hurt (provided he's good enough at both positions).
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Jay on the Island : 5/9/2018 9:28 am : link
every team in the NFL has a LS that is strictly a LS. So Mackie can play FB? What happens if he gets hurt during the game, which is likely since the FB position is very physical? Then the Giants will have their backup LS in sailing balls over the heads of the holders. I always find it odd that Giants fans don't appreciate DeOssie more after the 2002 debacle in SF.
RE: Seems like the focus is off - the question should be  
Jay on the Island : 5/9/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13958903 jcn56 said:
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who is our backup LS right now? And if there's no good answer to that question, does Mackie offer enough at FB to warrant consideration with the bonus of being able to fill in for DeOssie should he get hurt (provided he's good enough at both positions).

I forgot which player it was(maybe Munson?) but at one of the recent pre-draft camps one player was practicing long snapper as he was reportedly the backup and the reports were not pretty.
Being from  
Pete in MD : 5/9/2018 10:03 am : link
Canada, where they only have three downs, there is a lot more punting going on. Heís probably had plenty of opportunities to snap in live conditions.

That said, I wouldnít get rid of DeOssie unless this kid totally outshines him.
Western U?  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5/9/2018 10:15 am : link
London, Ontario is soo far west, it's still east of Detroit.

Back-up long snappers  
Red Dog : 5/9/2018 11:44 am : link
Mark Herzlich and Jordan Williams can both long snap, so that's two back-ups. I don't know how good either one of them really is at it though.
RE: Back-up long snappers  
LI NHB : 5/9/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13959145 Red Dog said:
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Mark Herzlich and Jordan Williams can both long snap, so that's two back-ups. I don't know how good either one of them really is at it though.


Exactly. Some of the folks responding in this thread are acting like DeOssie is the only one who's ever gotten reps longsnapping.

This is not an anti-DeOssie thread. I'm merely pointing out that if you have a young, athletic and multi-talented person who can assume the roles of multiple positions, it opens opportunity for other areas.

Re: Injuries - Yes, fullback is a physical position (I played it through 4 year of college), but in today's NFL you're playing maybe 25% of snaps. It's not like a RB who is carrying the load and shouldering the brunt of the contact on each down. Also, saying "what if he gets injured" could be said for every position on the field, including DeOssie as he's flying down on ST to make a tackle.

As for Trey Junkin - let it go boys & girls. Let it go.
RE: What I think you forget is that  
markky : 5/9/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13958819 montanagiant said:
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Prior to Zak our long snapping was a huge weakness. As a matter of fact, it was so bad it cost us the 2003 playoff game vs SF


And we still should have won that game!!!! If Fassel had just gotten in the refs ear to correct a call at the end, we win. WTH. Now I'm going to be pissed off for the rest of the day. thanks.
btw  
snickers : 5/9/2018 4:50 pm : link
It is not Western university, it is the University of Western Ontario. It is located in London, Ontario.
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