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Pep22 : 5/9/2018 8:57 am
I am very pleased with Mills/Perry and their apparent direction (no short cuts, long term outlook geared towards sustainable success, no pressure from above to grab headlines on what would be ill-advised moves).

Perry seems like a good basketball man.

There is a clear sense of hard work towards long term goals. This is a major break from the laziness of the Jackson regime.

Fizdale - love everything about this guy. Namely:

-Understands how to deliver a message whether the audience is media, players or other. --& gt; Aside: I hated the way Hornacek communicated. Despite being a smart guy, he failed to connect with players and his weird smile when talking about unpleasant things i.e. losses, bad play, poor effort...was odd and disturbing.

-Demands high level fitness, which having endured the Melo era, is a welcome change.

-Has the respect of so many noteworthy people. The fact that he subscribes to the Pat Riley way is a very positive attribute in my book.

-The fact that he understands what is successful in today's NBA is huge and a distinct break from the prior regime (Hornacek, PJax etc.).
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Carter  
Pep22 : 5/10/2018 3:10 pm : link
I'm hoping for a better athlete, probably a wing since the elite BIGs will be gone
RE: Carter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13960471 Pep22 said:
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I'm hoping for a better athlete, probably a wing since the elite BIGs will be gone


Same, just think Carter is a better defensive player than Bagley. As draymond shows, being explosive doesn't really correlate to good defense. Carter also has an NBA offensive game that I don't see with Bagley.

I like JJJ out of all the bigs, he is both athletic and flashes great defensive ability (needs to tone down the aggression) and is both a lob target and floor spacer on offense, which is a rarity.
Gimme  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2018 3:22 pm : link
Musa round 2 (if he somehow falls).
Really  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:24 pm : link
I'm pretty much fine with anyone outside Bagley, Young and Sexton
What about diallo second round?  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 3:25 pm : link
Risk high reward type of player you take in 2nd
Still catching up on the lottery/1st round talents  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:34 pm : link
I was a fan of Bruce Brown from Miami last year, but he seemed to regress a little, shot 25% from 3.

I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.

I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.
The guy  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 3:37 pm : link
I want is Trevon Duval. I think his game was an awful fit at Duke and he'll be a better pro than college player. He has bounce like Young Derrick Rose.
Also Jontay porter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:38 pm : link
(Michael Porter's brother) is an ideal modern 5, but I'm seeing him in the 1st round in mocks.
The  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 3:39 pm : link
guy I want in the 2nd, to clarify.
RE: Still catching up on the lottery/1st round talents  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13960492 giantsfan44ab said:
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I was a fan of Bruce Brown from Miami last year, but he seemed to regress a little, shot 25% from 3.

I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.

I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.


Loved watching Graham play, reminds me a little bit of rozier, not a pure point but he is going to go out there knock down 3s and play as hard as he can and just be a pain for the other team...
Im surprised Graham stayed in school  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:53 pm : link
as long as he did, I think he could've slipped into the first after his sophomore year.
If you could guarantee  
djm : 5/10/2018 7:13 pm : link
That kpís long term health wonít be compromised the knee thing might be a weird blessing in the long run. We all shouted that theory down the week the injury occurred but it stands to reason that the Knicks wonít be anything special next year on their best day and the whole tank thing does make sense. You might even be able to hold off signing KP for that extra year and gain more space but that sounds like a pipe dream.

Just tell me he comes back fine and the injury wonít really hurt in the grand scheme. Could even be a boon if they caught the right lotto draft pick as a result.

Iíve made peace with another shitty season but I actually enjoyed watching the Knicks down the stretch this season because of frank and Burke and the other younger players. They will have even more young talent next year so the season should be somewhat interesting no matter what. And by seasonís end, maybe KP comes back for a few games, could be fun.

Thatís all I got, trying to find something to hold on to....
Fizdale insisting on conditioning...  
manh george : 5/10/2018 7:31 pm : link
could be intriguing wrt Mudiay. A lot of observers seemed to believe that the biggest problem with Mudiay was lack of sufficient conditioning.

In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.
RE: Fizdale insisting on conditioning...  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13960658 manh george said:
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could be intriguing wrt Mudiay. A lot of observers seemed to believe that the biggest problem with Mudiay was lack of sufficient conditioning.

In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.


Hopefully he can use the miami school in conditioning
RE: Gimme  
Anakim : 5/10/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13960482 DanMetroMan said:
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Musa round 2 (if he somehow falls).



I think the sleeper in all of this is Mitchell Robinson. He is insanely athletic for a 5. From the sounds of it, he reminds of a young Tyson Chandler and a better version of WCS.
Issue with Mudiay is  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 9:22 am : link
his hitch. Even when heís passing or making a layup itís there. They got A season to take a look but Iím keeping Burke over mudiay at this point
RE: I  
djm : 5/11/2018 10:22 am : link
In comment 13960375 DanMetroMan said:
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predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.


I donít think thereís a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someoneís gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13960971 djm said:
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predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.



I donít think thereís a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someoneís gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.


You really think 5 centers go in the top 8 picks? I guess there is somewhat of a need for big men by all the top teams that are picking. I certainly hope thats the case.
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Wow.  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:24 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski

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@wojespn

Toronto has fired coach Dwane Casey, league source tells ESPN.
RE: Wow.  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13961018 Anakim said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Toronto has fired coach Dwane Casey, league source tells ESPN.



Can not get rid of the overpaid players, so have to get rid of coach of the year...

Makes sense
Toronto always has outperformed their talent level  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 11:31 am : link
maybe some specific coaching in the playoffs led to his fall. Lowry and Derozan were basically backup quality for their first few years in the league. Derozan transformed drastically, but I'd still argue that Toronto doesn't have a top 20 player on their roster and has been a top seed in the East the past few years. Obviously talent gets exposed in the playoffs.
Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:31 am : link
SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit
I'd rather have Casey than Fizdale  
Greg from LI : 5/11/2018 11:35 am : link
Oh well
RE: Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:37 am : link
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SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit


Stan van gundy is awful, I dont know how he keeps getting jobs
Ugh, this would suck  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:37 am : link
Kevin O'Connor

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@KevinOConnorNBA

Watch out for Mike Budenholzer as the next Raptors head coach...
RE: RE: Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 11:42 am : link
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SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit



Stan van gundy is awful, I dont know how he keeps getting jobs


I actually like how he uses lineups, putting a traditional big surrounded by shooters and going inside-out. Unfortunately Drummond hasn't yet developed into a dominant enough scorer and D12 wasn't ever a good passer.

His GM-ing got in the way of his talent and the Griffin trade was a desperation haul. He trusted Reggie Jackson way too much for too long. If Detroit landed Mitchell things would've been a lot different.
Giants fan but that is my point  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:46 am : link
He created offenses surrounding bigs that were flawed offensively...

I have no problem with a spread it out with a big in the middle but it has to be the right big...

It is exactly what I hope fizdale does with kp, surround him with defenders and shooters with a penetrator
RE: Giants fan but that is my point  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13961047 nygiants16 said:
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He created offenses surrounding bigs that were flawed offensively...

I have no problem with a spread it out with a big in the middle but it has to be the right big...

It is exactly what I hope fizdale does with kp, surround him with defenders and shooters with a penetrator


One of his teams went to the Finals. Like Toronto, he outperformed what he was given. Drummond looks to be turning the corner but is still young. Reggie Jackson is a below average starting PG.

Detroit's draft picks over the past 4 years were Kennard (who is fine, nothing special though), Stanley Johnson and Henry Ellenson. in 2014 they didn't have a pick which would have been 9th because they traded for Corey maggette a few years earlier.

SVG deserves blame as a GM, which is why you don't give coaches GM power. But 4 years in a row you get nothing from the draft your team is likely not going anywhere.
I very much enjoyed reading  
Jay in Toronto : 5/11/2018 12:02 pm : link
his Q&A with Serby.

here is the link  
Jay in Toronto : 5/11/2018 12:03 pm : link
for convenience





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.  
DanMetroMan : 5/11/2018 12:30 pm : link
The New York Knicks are expected to hire Nick Van Exel as an assistant coach on the staff of David Fizdale.

Van Exel was an assistant coach under Fizdale with the Grizzlies.

Keith Smart is also expected to join Fizdale..
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nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13961079 DanMetroMan said:
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The New York Knicks are expected to hire Nick Van Exel as an assistant coach on the staff of David Fizdale.

Van Exel was an assistant coach under Fizdale with the Grizzlies.

Keith Smart is also expected to join Fizdale..


I like it, get van exel in gym with mudiay and frank and work on their handle
RE: Sexton  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13960358 Jon in NYC said:
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.


Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.
RE: Issue with Mudiay is  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13960921 giantsfan44ab said:
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his hitch. Even when heís passing or making a layup itís there. They got A season to take a look but Iím keeping Burke over mudiay at this point


I don't think he loves basketball. That's a bigger issue than his hitch.
RE: RE: Sexton  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13961087 EricNY33 said:
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.



Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.


Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.

And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.
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EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:53 pm : link
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.



Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.



Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.

And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.


I watched a ton of Nova games and I saw a guy with almost no handle who couldn't create his own shot. What he does he does well, but you can find those types of players by other avenues. I am not taking him in the lottery.
You can find a combo guard  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 12:54 pm : link
with no shot and passing ability every year.
You can find 3 and D wings through "other avenues"  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 12:56 pm : link
Exactly where are these guys and how do the Knicks get them without trading KP? The knicks (and other teams) have not had a legit 3 and D wing since...honestly I don't know when. I cant remember the last Knicks player that had a legit shot at guarding the top wings in the NBA.
RE: RE: RE: Sexton  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:59 pm : link
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.



Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.



Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.

And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.


As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.
RE: You can find a combo guard  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13961097 giantsfan44ab said:
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with no shot and passing ability every year.


No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?
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giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:05 pm : link
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As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.


You can teach shooting but it's not guaranteed. He's not starting from a great spot. To me he is De'aron fox but a much worse passer. You can't really teach passing... again, who is a top PG that is an inept passer and below average 3 point shooter? Let alone both.

Kenny Faried has a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. Unfortunately in the NBA that is not sufficient, you need actual skills to survive, especially as a PG. Sexton projects to be a good defender but I'm not seeing offensively how he can survive with his flaws as a starter. I think he is a high end 6th man. His comparison is Eric Bledsoe, who even at 38% in college has been exposed as a subpar shooter in the playoffs. It's not like he's Giannis or Simmons that can get away due to being 7' tall.

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giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:07 pm : link
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with no shot and passing ability every year.



No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?


Name me a top PG in the league that was a 33% or worse shooter from a 3 and had worse assist numbers in college.
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EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:17 pm : link
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As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.



You can teach shooting but it's not guaranteed. He's not starting from a great spot. To me he is De'aron fox but a much worse passer. You can't really teach passing... again, who is a top PG that is an inept passer and below average 3 point shooter? Let alone both.

Kenny Faried has a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. Unfortunately in the NBA that is not sufficient, you need actual skills to survive, especially as a PG. Sexton projects to be a good defender but I'm not seeing offensively how he can survive with his flaws as a starter. I think he is a high end 6th man. His comparison is Eric Bledsoe, who even at 38% in college has been exposed as a subpar shooter in the playoffs. It's not like he's Giannis or Simmons that can get away due to being 7' tall.


41% FG and 35% 3pt shooting his last year in college. You know who that was?

Donovan Mitchell

I am not saying Sexton will be as good as Mitchell is. I am saying that shooting is something you can improve upon in the NBA. Of course it's not guaranteed. Nothing is, but based on talent alone... Sexton is a better prospect than Mikal Bridges. Hell... MILES Bridges is a better prospect than Mikal Bridges. The Knicks aren't in position to be drafting for need. They need talent.

Wesley Matthews, Danny Gree, Trevor Ariza, Robert Covington... 4 of the best 3 and D players and all are 2nd round picks or went undrafted. These types of players are just easier to find.

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EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:19 pm : link
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with no shot and passing ability every year.



No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?



Name me a top PG in the league that was a 33% or worse shooter from a 3 and had worse assist numbers in college.


Worse? How about comparable like... Russell Westbrook?
Sexton is not an inept passer.  
Heisenberg : 5/11/2018 1:19 pm : link
Weird comment.
I just think you are underselling  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:24 pm : link
Mikal Bridge's skill set. He has more of a mid range game than any of those guys and is also a better athlete. None of those guys are really push the pace transition guys that Mikal Bridge's is. I like Miles as well, I just don't think his shooting and defense is up to par with Mikal's, sometimes in games he has a string of bad possessions.

I'll give Sexton another look. My fear is just that neither Frank or Sexton develop into true PGs or knockdown shooters and you're left to the dogs come playoff time. But yeah, you're right if you're looking at current roster then you are basically judging off need.

I also didn't realize Sexton had a 7' wingspan which would allow him to play the 2 guard with a better shot if it came to that. His FT shooting is promising. Ill watch some more of him
RE: I just think you are underselling  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13961126 giantsfan44ab said:
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Mikal Bridge's skill set. He has more of a mid range game than any of those guys and is also a better athlete. None of those guys are really push the pace transition guys that Mikal Bridge's is. I like Miles as well, I just don't think his shooting and defense is up to par with Mikal's, sometimes in games he has a string of bad possessions.

I'll give Sexton another look. My fear is just that neither Frank or Sexton develop into true PGs or knockdown shooters and you're left to the dogs come playoff time. But yeah, you're right if you're looking at current roster then you are basically judging off need.

I also didn't realize Sexton had a 7' wingspan which would allow him to play the 2 guard with a better shot if it came to that. His FT shooting is promising. Ill watch some more of him


I am not saying Mikal Bridges can't play. He will be in the NBA a long time. I just don't see him as a lottery pick. I didn't see Frank Ntilikina as one either. They are safe players who will maximize their ability and will be in the league for a long time but not players who can't be replaced.
RE: Sexton is not an inept passer.  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13961121 Heisenberg said:
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Weird comment.


Averaging 3.5 assists to 3 TOs a game isn't exactly ideal as a PG. But Eric has made some solid points about Sexton.

And I've been pushing for Frank at the 3 in spurts since he was drafted, I think you can get away with 3 guard lineups with Frank's size/wingspan without sacrificing defensively. So trying out a combo of (hypothetically) Sexton, Burke and Frank together could open up some wrinkles offensively, provided Frank and Sexton can both improve 3 point shooting.
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Heisenberg : 5/11/2018 1:54 pm : link
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Weird comment.



Averaging 3.5 assists to 3 TOs a game isn't exactly ideal as a PG. But Eric has made some solid points about Sexton.

And I've been pushing for Frank at the 3 in spurts since he was drafted, I think you can get away with 3 guard lineups with Frank's size/wingspan without sacrificing defensively. So trying out a combo of (hypothetically) Sexton, Burke and Frank together could open up some wrinkles offensively, provided Frank and Sexton can both improve 3 point shooting.


Ok, I agree with all of that. Sexton's problems are his high turnover rate and his teammates weren't very strong either. He has plenty of highlight passes and is a pretty good PnR ball handler. I expect him to be pretty efficient there, passing and scoring, with a good roll man in the NBA. With the increased spacing in the NBA, his ability to penetrate will probably be even better, kinda like has happened to Mitchell.

But he plays out of control quite often and he may never be a strong outside 3pt shooter. I'd just rather see a guy who loves to play that you need to rein in than try to get someone to play hard.


I also really like Bridges and would be happy if the Knicks picked him too. Easy to see how he is a 12 year vet in the league.
Mitchell actually attempted more  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 2:10 pm : link
3s than 2s last year, but was also out of control at times. Had a tendency to settle for mid range shots contested early in the clock. Sexton also looks like he can get up off 1 foot, something that Mitchell struggled finishing with at Louisville.
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