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Montreal Man : 5/9/2018 1:09 pm
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They certainly did  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/9/2018 1:11 pm : link
I don't think they would have called him out if they hadn't
Yes they did  
PatchoguePete : 5/9/2018 1:13 pm : link
the umpire had a lineup card that had Cabrera second and Flores 3rd, but Flores batted before Cabrera. AND CABRERA DOUBLED! Mickey Callway should be fired for this. Disgraceful.
I have never seen that in mlb game  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 1:15 pm : link
Not a great reflection on Callaway and the staff
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Danny Kanell : 5/9/2018 1:15 pm : link
Mickey just had his "Gabe Kapler" moment...  
PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 1:15 pm : link
Maybe that means we'll start playing like a professional MLB team like the Phillies did? One can hope...
eh, happens all the time.  
Enzo : 5/9/2018 1:16 pm : link
In little league.
RE: eh, happens all the time.  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13959260 Enzo said:
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In little league.


Are you trying to say the Mets are a little league organization?
How do you do that?  
moespree : 5/9/2018 1:17 pm : link
How can you possibly write the wrong lineup down on the card you give the ump? I don't understand how you can make this mistake. Even if for some reason you manage to do so, shouldn't you double check before handing it in?
Wow, that's pretty rough.  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2018 1:20 pm : link
I remember Aaron Boone made a call to the bullpen in spring training, only to realize he had forgotten to warm up a pitcher in the first place. Rookies.
Hey they got it right the second time  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 1:22 pm : link
Learn from your mistakes
Mickey Callaway has been a disaster as manager  
PatchoguePete : 5/9/2018 1:22 pm : link
This instance aside, he was supposed to come here with Eiland and fix the pitching staff. Instead, Harvey has been traded, Vargas has been trash, Matz has been inconsistent, and Wheeler has been inconsistent. This season has been a great start followed by a big ol pile of trash. Fire Callaway.
Fire  
spike : 5/9/2018 1:22 pm : link
Everyone.
Alderson should be shown the door  
moespree : 5/9/2018 1:28 pm : link
I'm not overly impressed with Callaway either, I must admit. However, today's ridiculous mistake aside, I don't think it's right to blame him just yet. But Alderson I've had enough of. Same shit every year with this guy. Builds a team that yes, could be very good....as long as 95 different things all go right.
On the other hand, good move by  
GuzzaBlue : 5/9/2018 1:28 pm : link
Riggleman to wait and see the outcome of the at-bat before bringing to the umps attention. IF the batter hitting out of turn is out, I believe (don't quote me) you can let it play out and take the out-of-order out the next time around.
F'ing Joke of an Organization  
PatchoguePete : 5/9/2018 1:29 pm : link
Still paying Bobby Bo...can't get the lineup card right..can't get medical issues right..our owners are crooks who were in bed with Madolf..our NLCS MVP is on our division rival and whips us everytime we see him..it just goes on, and on, and on.
RE: Mickey Callaway has been a disaster as manager  
arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13959269 PatchoguePete said:
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This instance aside, he was supposed to come here with Eiland and fix the pitching staff. Instead, Harvey has been traded, Vargas has been trash, Matz has been inconsistent, and Wheeler has been inconsistent. This season has been a great start followed by a big ol pile of trash. Fire Callaway.


I said about 20,000 times that it wouldn't be long until the fans started complaining about the new manager.

Only took until the end of April!

This team has and had much bigger problems than Terry Collins.
Mickey is not a disaster or a guru  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 1:38 pm : link
He is a rookie manager, finding his way.

I’m disappointed that the starting pitching does not seem to have improved.OTOH,
I think he has done a pretty good job with the pen. Especially co side ring his closer blew three saves in a little over a week . Often when a closer does that, pen begins to unravel. But the pen has remained solid for the most part
Firing Callaway after only 35 games is absurd  
Jay on the Island : 5/9/2018 1:40 pm : link
Sandy is the one that needs to go.
RE: RE: Mickey Callaway has been a disaster as manager  
stillpoe : 5/9/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13959280 arcarsenal said:
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This instance aside, he was supposed to come here with Eiland and fix the pitching staff. Instead, Harvey has been traded, Vargas has been trash, Matz has been inconsistent, and Wheeler has been inconsistent. This season has been a great start followed by a big ol pile of trash. Fire Callaway.



I said about 20,000 times that it wouldn't be long until the fans started complaining about the new manager.

Only took until the end of April!

This team has and had much bigger problems than Terry Collins.


I wonder where all this anti-Callaway noise was when the Mets started off red hot. The start was staggering because this roster was always hit or miss to begin with. Honestly, I'm more disappointed in how our hitting has been (Conforto, Ces, Bruce, et. al), but even with that, it's way too early to be calling for anyone's head.
Lol, really?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 1:42 pm : link
The Mets have one of the worse bullpens in the NL. Fourth worst to be exact. Continues to over use the same pitchers and also trots out the same ineffective pitchers. Robles in a tight game? Really? It was a shot to no-one that he gave up a HR.

I still like Mickey but pointing to the bullpen is not the way you want to go in defending him.
I swear this is the most reactionary and emotional  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 1:45 pm : link
fanbase in professional sports and it’s compounded on BBI for some reason. 2 weeks ago everyone was sky high and now we are back to being a joke. It’s called baseball. Highs and lows. The Mets have a few key guys out to injury and some of their big bats have been cold. They are going through a rough patch right now. As long as there are no long term knockouts to key players the Mets will bounce back.
RE: RE: RE: Mickey Callaway has been a disaster as manager  
PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13959296 stillpoe said:
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This instance aside, he was supposed to come here with Eiland and fix the pitching staff. Instead, Harvey has been traded, Vargas has been trash, Matz has been inconsistent, and Wheeler has been inconsistent. This season has been a great start followed by a big ol pile of trash. Fire Callaway.



I said about 20,000 times that it wouldn't be long until the fans started complaining about the new manager.

Only took until the end of April!

This team has and had much bigger problems than Terry Collins.



I wonder where all this anti-Callaway noise was when the Mets started off red hot. The start was staggering because this roster was always hit or miss to begin with. Honestly, I'm more disappointed in how our hitting has been (Conforto, Ces, Bruce, et. al), but even with that, it's way too early to be calling for anyone's head.


I'm confused...why would there be anti-Callaway noise during the Mets 11-1 start? Should there have been?

Personally, I mentioned more than a few times during that hot streak that it was mostly smoke and mirrors. And that hopefully the team wakes up before they stopped getting ALL the breaks in those first 11 wins. Well, the team didn't wake up and this is what we got.
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PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13959300 ZGiants98 said:
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fanbase in professional sports and it’s compounded on BBI for some reason. 2 weeks ago everyone was sky high and now we are back to being a joke. It’s called baseball. Highs and lows. The Mets have a few key guys out to injury and some of their big bats have been cold. They are going through a rough patch right now. As long as there are no long term knockouts to key players the Mets will bounce back.


Hi, I'd like to introduce one extreme to the other extreme.

Can we stop saying that the bats are cold? It's May 9th.
Wtf does that mean?  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 1:48 pm : link
I’m saying some bats are cold NOW which is partly responsible for our rough stretch? Players don’t go hot and cold all season wrong or are you trying to tell me players like Cespedes and Conforto are bad players?
RE: I swear this is the most reactionary and emotional  
arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13959300 ZGiants98 said:
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fanbase in professional sports and it’s compounded on BBI for some reason. 2 weeks ago everyone was sky high and now we are back to being a joke. It’s called baseball. Highs and lows. The Mets have a few key guys out to injury and some of their big bats have been cold. They are going through a rough patch right now. As long as there are no long term knockouts to key players the Mets will bounce back.


This isn't a good team, man. If you don't see it now, I don't know what to tell you.

We've been hearing that the "bats are cold" for weeks.

We're struggling to even beat the Reds. The worst team in baseball.
And what extreme...  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 1:49 pm : link
I sit back silent 90% of the time while you guys piss and moan after every loss.
RE: Wtf does that mean?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 1:52 pm : link
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I’m saying some bats are cold NOW which is partly responsible for our rough stretch? Players don’t go hot and cold all season wrong or are you trying to tell me players like Cespedes and Conforto are bad players?


I'm saying that you've been banging the drum since day one that the bats are cold. And they have been. But it's May 9th. If every single of your starters are cold from day one (except for Cabrera and Frazier for a short period) then there is a problem. But its a problem every year...so maybe they are not so great? I don't know, you tell me.
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ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13959310 arcarsenal said:
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fanbase in professional sports and it’s compounded on BBI for some reason. 2 weeks ago everyone was sky high and now we are back to being a joke. It’s called baseball. Highs and lows. The Mets have a few key guys out to injury and some of their big bats have been cold. They are going through a rough patch right now. As long as there are no long term knockouts to key players the Mets will bounce back.



This isn't a good team, man. If you don't see it now, I don't know what to tell you.

We've been hearing that the "bats are cold" for weeks.

We're struggling to even beat the Reds. The worst team in baseball.


Wheeler is pitching a gem and Matz is coming off a gem too. The rotation will settle down. DeGrom returns Sunday. One week ago our bullpen was in the top third in the league. During this rough stretch the pen got beat up a bit but it’s still fine.... especially when Swarzak returns. The lineup was always going to depend on Rosario and 1B but it has plenty of good hitters in it. The lineup will at least be average and if the team stays relatively healthy we will be in the wild card mix. Count on it.
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PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13959311 ZGiants98 said:
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I sit back silent 90% of the time while you guys piss and moan after every loss.


Oh boo hoo...go to MMO then with all of the "knowledgeable" Mets fans. Maybe they like to sniff the unicorn farts out of your rear.
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ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 1:54 pm : link
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I’m saying some bats are cold NOW which is partly responsible for our rough stretch? Players don’t go hot and cold all season wrong or are you trying to tell me players like Cespedes and Conforto are bad players?



I'm saying that you've been banging the drum since day one that the bats are cold. And they have been. But it's May 9th. If every single of your starters are cold from day one (except for Cabrera and Frazier for a short period) then there is a problem. But its a problem every year...so maybe they are not so great? I don't know, you tell me.


Yes it’s May 9th but proven players like Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera, etc are going to play up to the back of their baseball cards. This crap happens every year and it’s like people are watching a brand new sport every time. It never fails.
RE: RE: And what extreme...  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13959324 PhiPsi125 said:
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I sit back silent 90% of the time while you guys piss and moan after every loss.



Oh boo hoo...go to MMO then with all of the "knowledgeable" Mets fans. Maybe they like to sniff the unicorn farts out of your rear.


You’re the one calling me out for being extremely optimistic when I’ve barely said shit.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 1:55 pm : link
We started 11-1 and now we're in 4th place in our own division on May 9th. That's awful and almost hard to do.

Can't keep blaming injuries and cold bats for everything. The Mets aren't the only team that have to deal with that stuff. It's the same excuses constantly.

We're going to be in the bottom third of the league in runs scored by the end of the week.

The bullpen isn't that good. It's average to below average.

I'll bet anything that this isn't a postseason team and the entire thing will have fallen apart before the 4th of July.
Oh man... just brutal...  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 1:58 pm : link
I just said we are going through a rough patch. If you thought we were going to stay on a 11-1 pace you probably were on drugs and if you think we are this bad you are out of your mind too. The bullpen isn’t bad. Rather than spewing stats over small samples look at the roster. Familia, Ramos, Swarzak, Sewald, Blevins, Gsellman, and Lugo are good and talented. Holy smokes.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 1:58 pm : link
Wheeler's two good outings have been against the two worst lineups in the NL.

The Marlins and Reds.

I need to see him actually succeed against a good lineup before I get too excited about this "gem". The start against Colorado was horrendous and the start against StL wasn't good either. He was passable against WSH.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 1:59 pm : link
LOL, okay - everything is fine and dandy in Mets land as always.

You'll figure it out eventually.
It’s definitely a cliche  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 1:59 pm : link
But Mets are not as bad as they look now, just like they were not as good as they looked early on

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stillpoe : 5/9/2018 2:00 pm : link
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This instance aside, he was supposed to come here with Eiland and fix the pitching staff. Instead, Harvey has been traded, Vargas has been trash, Matz has been inconsistent, and Wheeler has been inconsistent. This season has been a great start followed by a big ol pile of trash. Fire Callaway.



I said about 20,000 times that it wouldn't be long until the fans started complaining about the new manager.

Only took until the end of April!

This team has and had much bigger problems than Terry Collins.



I wonder where all this anti-Callaway noise was when the Mets started off red hot. The start was staggering because this roster was always hit or miss to begin with. Honestly, I'm more disappointed in how our hitting has been (Conforto, Ces, Bruce, et. al), but even with that, it's way too early to be calling for anyone's head.



I'm confused...why would there be anti-Callaway noise during the Mets 11-1 start? Should there have been?

Personally, I mentioned more than a few times during that hot streak that it was mostly smoke and mirrors. And that hopefully the team wakes up before they stopped getting ALL the breaks in those first 11 wins. Well, the team didn't wake up and this is what we got.


Of course not - just like we shouldn't have assumed that the Mets would finish with 120+ wins. The point though is that any pronouncements that Mickey needs to go at this point in the year is way too early. But now that the Mets are in a snide, all these people are full of conviction that Mickey is terrible and needs to go.

And fwiw, I was referring more to the people calling for his head. Just want to make that clear because you get extra testy when you think something is directed at you lol.
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PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 2:00 pm : link
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I’m saying some bats are cold NOW which is partly responsible for our rough stretch? Players don’t go hot and cold all season wrong or are you trying to tell me players like Cespedes and Conforto are bad players?



I'm saying that you've been banging the drum since day one that the bats are cold. And they have been. But it's May 9th. If every single of your starters are cold from day one (except for Cabrera and Frazier for a short period) then there is a problem. But its a problem every year...so maybe they are not so great? I don't know, you tell me.



Yes it’s May 9th but proven players like Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera, etc are going to play up to the back of their baseball cards. This crap happens every year and it’s like people are watching a brand new sport every time. It never fails.


And how does that work out every year? Not so great, right? Teams as inconsistent as the Mets are don't win a damn thing. Dude, there is major problems with this team. Sorry if you can't see it when everyone else in the world can. If you don't like the threads, then just stay off them.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 2:01 pm : link
And who said anything about staying on an 11-1 pace?

I would have been happy with .500 baseball for a while. We couldn't even do that. Instead we got swept in back to back series' and have lost 8 of our last 10 games. Now we're in 4th place.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 2:04 pm : link
We can't even manage more than a run off Sal Romano.
RE: Mickey Callaway has been a disaster as manager  
Rory : 5/9/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13959269 PatchoguePete said:
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This instance aside, he was supposed to come here with Eiland and fix the pitching staff. Instead, Harvey has been traded, Vargas has been trash, Matz has been inconsistent, and Wheeler has been inconsistent. This season has been a great start followed by a big ol pile of trash. Fire Callaway.


hey can you fuck off thanks
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ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13959335 arcarsenal said:
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LOL, okay - everything is fine and dandy in Mets land as always.

You'll figure it out eventually.


Nothing is fine and dandy. We are going through a rough patch. Frazier, Swarzak, our catchers, and DeGrom are out. Most should be back shortly. Some of our most talented hitters STILL need to heat up. It’s called baseball. Find me at the end of the season. If we stay relatively healthy we’ll be in the playoff mix. The world isn’t ending on May 9th.
Wheeler looks great but  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/9/2018 2:06 pm : link
I'm not getting my pulse over 80 for Wheeler until I see him do this against a Major League lineup a few times.
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ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 2:06 pm : link
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I’m saying some bats are cold NOW which is partly responsible for our rough stretch? Players don’t go hot and cold all season wrong or are you trying to tell me players like Cespedes and Conforto are bad players?



I'm saying that you've been banging the drum since day one that the bats are cold. And they have been. But it's May 9th. If every single of your starters are cold from day one (except for Cabrera and Frazier for a short period) then there is a problem. But its a problem every year...so maybe they are not so great? I don't know, you tell me.



Yes it’s May 9th but proven players like Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera, etc are going to play up to the back of their baseball cards. This crap happens every year and it’s like people are watching a brand new sport every time. It never fails.



And how does that work out every year? Not so great, right? Teams as inconsistent as the Mets are don't win a damn thing. Dude, there is major problems with this team. Sorry if you can't see it when everyone else in the world can. If you don't like the threads, then just stay off them.


Enough with beating the same dead horse. If you can’t see why we went down in flames last year when we lost Thor, Cespedes, Conforto, Familia and countless others for the year I don’t know what to tell you. If we make the playoffs this year it will be the third time in four years. Poor us.
If we finish off this win we’ll be 3 games over .500  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 2:09 pm : link
With Matz, Thor, and DeGrom going against the Phillies this weekend and everyone’s giving up?? Jesus.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 2:09 pm : link
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LOL, okay - everything is fine and dandy in Mets land as always.

You'll figure it out eventually.



Nothing is fine and dandy. We are going through a rough patch. Frazier, Swarzak, our catchers, and DeGrom are out. Most should be back shortly. Some of our most talented hitters STILL need to heat up. It’s called baseball. Find me at the end of the season. If we stay relatively healthy we’ll be in the playoff mix. The world isn’t ending on May 9th.


Same excuses constantly. I'll never understand why you have so much blind faith in the Mets and Alderson when they've had such little success.

How long do these guys need to heat up? We're 5 fucking weeks into the season now. Cmon. Enough.

deGrom missed a whopping one start. It's not like we've been without him for several turns.

d'Arnaud isn't coming back. Plawecki sucks (sorry, Shecky), Swarzak was moved to the 60 day and doesn't appear to be anywhere near returning.

If we can't win because a middle reliever and our crappy catching duo is hurt, this team was never good to begin with.

And now the Reds are primed to take a lead... good stuff.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 2:10 pm : link
We also lost the majority of these games WITH Frazier in the lineup - so I don't want to hear about how that's a reason why we're struggling.
This is Wheeler in a nutshell  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 2:10 pm : link
Crusing along with a 1-00 lead with only two hits allowed, and then he walks the leadoff hitter in the sixth.
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Rory : 5/9/2018 2:12 pm : link
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I’m saying some bats are cold NOW which is partly responsible for our rough stretch? Players don’t go hot and cold all season wrong or are you trying to tell me players like Cespedes and Conforto are bad players?



I'm saying that you've been banging the drum since day one that the bats are cold. And they have been. But it's May 9th. If every single of your starters are cold from day one (except for Cabrera and Frazier for a short period) then there is a problem. But its a problem every year...so maybe they are not so great? I don't know, you tell me.



Yes it’s May 9th but proven players like Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera, etc are going to play up to the back of their baseball cards. This crap happens every year and it’s like people are watching a brand new sport every time. It never fails.



And how does that work out every year? Not so great, right? Teams as inconsistent as the Mets are don't win a damn thing. Dude, there is major problems with this team. Sorry if you can't see it when everyone else in the world can. If you don't like the threads, then just stay off them.


temper temper now phi, its a long season and now that the hot streak fluke start is over this team needs to learn what it truly is before adjusting and progressing. As long as Degrom/Thor are pitching the Mets will have a chance, but as far as hitting look around the league, everyone is struggling.

If Wheeler can hold down the 3 spot, that will make a huge difference.
Ok so rather than just make sweeping generalizations in early May  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 2:14 pm : link
Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
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