Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
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Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
To be fair Z is right, it is still early and some of these Â
hitters will rebound (conforto and ces looking at you). Also tough to predict both catchers get hurt that fast that early. Though on other side, Degrom missed one start (our only win in last 9 days mind you), Frazier just got hurt, Sandy has ZERo depth in the minors to address the few injuries they have had and Swarzak is really our only pitching injury through 6 weeks.
The fact is that this team is what we thought they were. A very flawed team that didnt fill its holes due to financial constraints and an unimaginative GM but a flawed team that has a punchers chance if they somehow scratch enough wins to get into a playoff series.
The bigger issue for the mets this year is that Atlanta and philly apparently are good and we were betting on beating them up to have any real shot. Long term, if they arent going to sign Thor & Degrom to extensions this off season they should trade everyone and break this sucker down.
RE: Ok so rather than just make sweeping generalizations in early May Â
Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
I'm with Z, too many proven hitters for these guys not to start hitting. if Wheeler/Matz come to form then the rotation looks alot stronger. Cant let previous years disappointment affect a new season with a new manager.
I kinda compare this lineup to the Brewers who are just now starting to hit.
Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
temper temper now phi, its a long season and now that the hot streak fluke start is over this team needs to learn what it truly is before adjusting and progressing. As long as Degrom/Thor are pitching the Mets will have a chance, but as far as hitting look around the league, everyone is struggling.
If Wheeler can hold down the 3 spot, that will make a huge difference.
LOL, my temper is just fine. Not my problem if some can't see the forest through the trees. It's like some people believe that we've fielded a competitive team for years and this is just the norm.
Yes, the league is struggling with offense. BUT, the Mets are in the bottom half (if not the bottom third) of every offensive statistical category in the NL. This is a veteran team...if it takes them this long to adjust and progress, then its a bad sign.
Bottom line is...this team shouldn't be this bad for this long. This team has major warts in how it was constructed. That's nothing new. Our GM is stuck in the 90s version of baseball and relies on old reclamation projects of the same ilk. Outside of the first 12 games, the bullpen has been bad...it's not just one bad week like we heard in an earlier post. It is what it is, man. This isn't a playoff team...just like everyone thought before the season.
Anyone who wants to make a friendly bet or come up with reasonable terms... I will guarantee this team doesn't make the postseason. Right now, on May 9th I feel confident enough in this that I will put my handle on the line or whatever the bet is.
This is the same flawed baseball team we've been watching for the majority of the last few years.
We were very fortunate to even get a play in game in 2016. We won 87 games. That's very low for a WC team. And we lost the play in game anyway.
We've had one truly good baseball season in over 10 years.
I don't know why anyone trusts this team. They're second-rate and operate that way.
in that the lineup should hit better than it's done the past few weeks, but I'm less confident about the starting pitching. Vargas is picking up where he left off last year, and this was Wheeler's best outing in a while and he still has an ERA over 5.
For me, it really comes down to Alderson has been the GM for a LONG time here. I'm sick of excuses. I want to see a contending team or a new regime. Last year was crazy, so I was willing to give a pass. Not in 2018. Not after he's been GM for SO long.
Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Depends on the circumstances... if we don’t have any major knockout blows? Maybe. Baseball is crap shoot in the postseason and many of highs and lows during the regular season have been predicated by how many players are actually on the field. Sandy has dealt with franchise crippling blows (Harvey) over and over and we still seemed to have weathered most storms in spite of it. Seriously, how many teams could afford to lose one of the best starters in baseball In a blink of an eye ? Tends to make things more difficult.
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Our bullpen is good - yet we keep trotting Hansel Robles out there who literally has a HISTORIC HR rate to his name. Makes sense.
Robles was just in the minors. He’s been up for about a week and had one appearance because Vargas and others have gotten shredded and had to leave the game way early which had taxed our pen.
RE: RE: Ok so rather than just make sweeping generalizations in early May Â
Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Sandy is the one person I've had the biggest gripe with. It feels like we bargain bin hunt every year and our drafts have been subpar.
Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
what do you mean why is it relevant? It’s relevant because most are underperforming and historically are good players. You are saying that it’s been 5 weeks so no more excuses right? You must also be saying they won’t bounce back then either right?
Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Sandy is the one person I've had the biggest gripe with. It feels like we bargain bin hunt every year and our drafts have been subpar.
That’s really dumb. We spent more than most teams in free agency this offseason and I can’t think of a single draft that can be labeled a complete bust yet. Drafts take time.
Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
what do you mean why is it relevant? It’s relevant because most are underperforming and historically are good players. You are saying that it’s been 5 weeks so no more excuses right? You must also be saying they won’t bounce back then either right?
Because none of them need to have a "horrific" year for the team to still suck or struggle.
Why is it always our collective group of hitters that get "ice cold" at the same time for 4 and 5 weeks at a time?
His FIP is over 7 and he's already appeared 10 times.
Yes and that mostly goes back to earlier in the season. He was already shipped off to AAA and was only recently recalled due to circumstance. Yelling that the bullpen sucks because of Robles who’s the 7th or 8th option doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. He’ll be gone again soon.
I didn't say the bullpen sucked, I said it was average/below average. That's what it is. That's what the numbers say.
My prediction: The Mets miss the postseason once again and it gets blamed on more injuries or things not going our way.. as usual. And then we'll try to do this all over again next year.
Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
what do you mean why is it relevant? It’s relevant because most are underperforming and historically are good players. You are saying that it’s been 5 weeks so no more excuses right? You must also be saying they won’t bounce back then either right?
Because none of them need to have a "horrific" year for the team to still suck or struggle.
Why is it always our collective group of hitters that get "ice cold" at the same time for 4 and 5 weeks at a time?
I don't see other good teams having that issue.
Are you watching every single game of another team and living and dying with them like you do the Mets? Because this happens to every player on every team. The Yankees have the most talented lineup in the sport and that fanbase was ready to jump off a cliff a few weeks into the season.
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Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Sandy is the one person I've had the biggest gripe with. It feels like we bargain bin hunt every year and our drafts have been subpar.
That’s really dumb. We spent more than most teams in free agency this offseason and I can’t think of a single draft that can be labeled a complete bust yet. Drafts take time.
Z - I always enjoy your optimism and it's certainly needed to be a fan of the Mets...but you have lost me if you think Sandy has been anything more than an average GM .
I didn't say the bullpen sucked, I said it was average/below average. That's what it is. That's what the numbers say.
My prediction: The Mets miss the postseason once again and it gets blamed on more injuries or things not going our way.. as usual. And then we'll try to do this all over again next year.
Ok fair enough. I have the bullpen in the top third in the league and we’ll be in the postseason hunt all year. We’ll see.
Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
what do you mean why is it relevant? It’s relevant because most are underperforming and historically are good players. You are saying that it’s been 5 weeks so no more excuses right? You must also be saying they won’t bounce back then either right?
Because none of them need to have a "horrific" year for the team to still suck or struggle.
Why is it always our collective group of hitters that get "ice cold" at the same time for 4 and 5 weeks at a time?
I don't see other good teams having that issue.
Are you watching every single game of another team and living and dying with them like you do the Mets? Because this happens to every player on every team. The Yankees have the most talented lineup in the sport and that fanbase was ready to jump off a cliff a few weeks into the season.
The Yankees have won like 16 of their last 17 games and lead all of baseball in offense. Their pitching is up there too.
also have a top farm system and are coming off of an ALCS appearance last year. The Mets are coming off of 90 losses and have a bottom farm system. The situations aren't comparable.
I'd love to see a Mets team that is smartly run like the Yankees. Would love to poach would of their top assistants this offseason if we get rid of Sandy, Omar and Ricco.
also have a top farm system and are coming off of an ALCS appearance last year. The Mets are coming off of 90 losses and have a bottom farm system. The situations aren't comparable.
I'd love to see a Mets team that is smartly run like the Yankees. Would love to poach would of their top assistants this offseason if we get rid of Sandy, Omar and Ricco.
This is recency bias. Sure they do “today” but it was completely flipped a few years ago. Yankees had a farm middle of the pack at best and Mets had a top 5 system heading into 2015. Mets were the envy of everyone coming off the WS appearance. Ebbs and flows.
Aren't most teams in the "postseason hunt" all year? Â
What a vague statement to hang your hat on. I guess it's the easiest statement to make when you want to weasel your way out of an argument. It kinda plays on both sides of the fence.
What a vague statement to hang your hat on. I guess it's the easiest statement to make when you want to weasel your way out of an argument. It kinda plays on both sides of the fence.
Is this a joke? Of course I’m not saying they are going to be in the “hunt” in spirit. lol. I’m saying they will be in range of an actual postseason spot up until the last week of the season barring catastrophic season ending injuries. Is that specific enough for you?
also have a top farm system and are coming off of an ALCS appearance last year. The Mets are coming off of 90 losses and have a bottom farm system. The situations aren't comparable.
I'd love to see a Mets team that is smartly run like the Yankees. Would love to poach would of their top assistants this offseason if we get rid of Sandy, Omar and Ricco.
This is recency bias. Sure they do “today” but it was completely flipped a few years ago. Yankees had a farm middle of the pack at best and Mets had a top 5 system heading into 2015. Mets were the envy of everyone coming off the WS appearance. Ebbs and flows.
2015 is the exception for the Mets under Alderson. It's not enough to save his job IMO.
It's not ebbs and flows. It's a decade of failure with one great year and one good year. Not good enough, especially with a bottom farm system at the moment. Time is ticking Sandy.
I'll be fine either way, either Mets will make the playoffs or we'll get a new GM. I have no loyalty to this middling regime. Only to the Mets.
What a vague statement to hang your hat on. I guess it's the easiest statement to make when you want to weasel your way out of an argument. It kinda plays on both sides of the fence.
Is this a joke? Of course I’m not saying they are going to be in the “hunt” in spirit. lol. I’m saying they will be in range of an actual postseason spot up until the last week of the season barring catastrophic season ending injuries. Is that specific enough for you?
For the WS. The Mets haven’t had a bad farm system until this year and it’s mainly the result of injuries and graduations. No farm is a top system forever unless the ML roster is putrid forever.
All farms take a dip from time to time. If it’s awful for a 5 year stretch that’s totally different.
What a vague statement to hang your hat on. I guess it's the easiest statement to make when you want to weasel your way out of an argument. It kinda plays on both sides of the fence.
Is this a joke? Of course I’m not saying they are going to be in the “hunt” in spirit. lol. I’m saying they will be in range of an actual postseason spot up until the last week of the season barring catastrophic season ending injuries. Is that specific enough for you?
He's built one of the worst farm systems in all of baseball, the guy can't build a bullpen for his life, and signed the WORST pitcher in baseball to a 2 year contract (Vargas). Being a Mets fan sucks
The hot start to this season got my hopes up. Now I feel even worst about the fate of this franchise even before the season even started!
Major League team stinks
Farm system sucks
Honestly, only entertainment I'd tolerate from the Mets now is bringing up Tebow to play everyday. At least that would be entertaining one way or another.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
The fact is that this team is what we thought they were. A very flawed team that didnt fill its holes due to financial constraints and an unimaginative GM but a flawed team that has a punchers chance if they somehow scratch enough wins to get into a playoff series.
The bigger issue for the mets this year is that Atlanta and philly apparently are good and we were betting on beating them up to have any real shot. Long term, if they arent going to sign Thor & Degrom to extensions this off season they should trade everyone and break this sucker down.
I'm with Z, too many proven hitters for these guys not to start hitting. if Wheeler/Matz come to form then the rotation looks alot stronger. Cant let previous years disappointment affect a new season with a new manager.
I kinda compare this lineup to the Brewers who are just now starting to hit.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
temper temper now phi, its a long season and now that the hot streak fluke start is over this team needs to learn what it truly is before adjusting and progressing. As long as Degrom/Thor are pitching the Mets will have a chance, but as far as hitting look around the league, everyone is struggling.
If Wheeler can hold down the 3 spot, that will make a huge difference.
LOL, my temper is just fine. Not my problem if some can't see the forest through the trees. It's like some people believe that we've fielded a competitive team for years and this is just the norm.
Yes, the league is struggling with offense. BUT, the Mets are in the bottom half (if not the bottom third) of every offensive statistical category in the NL. This is a veteran team...if it takes them this long to adjust and progress, then its a bad sign.
Bottom line is...this team shouldn't be this bad for this long. This team has major warts in how it was constructed. That's nothing new. Our GM is stuck in the 90s version of baseball and relies on old reclamation projects of the same ilk. Outside of the first 12 games, the bullpen has been bad...it's not just one bad week like we heard in an earlier post. It is what it is, man. This isn't a playoff team...just like everyone thought before the season.
This is the same flawed baseball team we've been watching for the majority of the last few years.
We were very fortunate to even get a play in game in 2016. We won 87 games. That's very low for a WC team. And we lost the play in game anyway.
We've had one truly good baseball season in over 10 years.
I don't know why anyone trusts this team. They're second-rate and operate that way.
For me, it really comes down to Alderson has been the GM for a LONG time here. I'm sick of excuses. I want to see a contending team or a new regime. Last year was crazy, so I was willing to give a pass. Not in 2018. Not after he's been GM for SO long.
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Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
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Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Depends on the circumstances... if we don’t have any major knockout blows? Maybe. Baseball is crap shoot in the postseason and many of highs and lows during the regular season have been predicated by how many players are actually on the field. Sandy has dealt with franchise crippling blows (Harvey) over and over and we still seemed to have weathered most storms in spite of it. Seriously, how many teams could afford to lose one of the best starters in baseball In a blink of an eye ? Tends to make things more difficult.
He looks like a grown up and slimmer Ham/The Great Hambino from The Sandlot, who also happened to be a catcher lol
Robles was just in the minors. He’s been up for about a week and had one appearance because Vargas and others have gotten shredded and had to leave the game way early which had taxed our pen.
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Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Sandy is the one person I've had the biggest gripe with. It feels like we bargain bin hunt every year and our drafts have been subpar.
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Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
His FIP is over 7 and he's already appeared 10 times.
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Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Sandy is the one person I've had the biggest gripe with. It feels like we bargain bin hunt every year and our drafts have been subpar.
That’s really dumb. We spent more than most teams in free agency this offseason and I can’t think of a single draft that can be labeled a complete bust yet. Drafts take time.
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Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
what do you mean why is it relevant? It’s relevant because most are underperforming and historically are good players. You are saying that it’s been 5 weeks so no more excuses right? You must also be saying they won’t bounce back then either right?
Because none of them need to have a "horrific" year for the team to still suck or struggle.
Why is it always our collective group of hitters that get "ice cold" at the same time for 4 and 5 weeks at a time?
I don't see other good teams having that issue.
His FIP is over 7 and he's already appeared 10 times.
Yes and that mostly goes back to earlier in the season. He was already shipped off to AAA and was only recently recalled due to circumstance. Yelling that the bullpen sucks because of Robles who’s the 7th or 8th option doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. He’ll be gone again soon.
My prediction: The Mets miss the postseason once again and it gets blamed on more injuries or things not going our way.. as usual. And then we'll try to do this all over again next year.
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Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
what do you mean why is it relevant? It’s relevant because most are underperforming and historically are good players. You are saying that it’s been 5 weeks so no more excuses right? You must also be saying they won’t bounce back then either right?
Because none of them need to have a "horrific" year for the team to still suck or struggle.
Why is it always our collective group of hitters that get "ice cold" at the same time for 4 and 5 weeks at a time?
I don't see other good teams having that issue.
Are you watching every single game of another team and living and dying with them like you do the Mets? Because this happens to every player on every team. The Yankees have the most talented lineup in the sport and that fanbase was ready to jump off a cliff a few weeks into the season.
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Tell me specifically who won’t heat up? Tell me who of Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Cabrera will have awful stat lines at season’s end? Who of Thor/DeGrom won’t have an ace line at the end of the season? Something tells me Wheeler and Matz’s lines are going to look fine too (for 3 and 4 guys). Tell me specifically and let’s compare in October. It’s so easy to sling daggers over small samples but baseball proves over and over again it’s a looooong season filled with highs and lows.
Do you agree that Sandy should be fired if the team misses the playoffs this year?
If not, is it because you think only making the division series once in a decade and having a bottom 10 farm system is the best that the Mets can do? Tell me specifically how you define success, if you think one trip to the final 8 per decade is successful.
Sandy is the one person I've had the biggest gripe with. It feels like we bargain bin hunt every year and our drafts have been subpar.
That’s really dumb. We spent more than most teams in free agency this offseason and I can’t think of a single draft that can be labeled a complete bust yet. Drafts take time.
Z - I always enjoy your optimism and it's certainly needed to be a fan of the Mets...but you have lost me if you think Sandy has been anything more than an average GM .
My prediction: The Mets miss the postseason once again and it gets blamed on more injuries or things not going our way.. as usual. And then we'll try to do this all over again next year.
Ok fair enough. I have the bullpen in the top third in the league and we’ll be in the postseason hunt all year. We’ll see.
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Cabrera has already been hot most of the year - that's not going to last. He's starting to hit a lull now. He's not going to start hitting .500. He's cooling down.
It's also not out of the question for Conforto to have a down/off year coming back from the shoulder injury. He hasn't looked right yet.
Bruce will be Bruce - but so far he's literally been replacement-level.
deGrom has already been fantastic and we've still blown games where he's been close to untouchable.
Cespedes is always banged up. I don't trust him to stay healthy all year. And even if he does, it's not going to be enough.
Rosario isn't helping either.
I’m asking you who, if healthy, is going to have a horrific stat line at the end of the season. You guys are screaming at me that we are 5 weeks into the season so it shouldn’t be an excuse. Apparently everyone needs to be hot from May9th on. Tell me who’s going to have a really bad year? Conforto? That’s not enough to destroy us. It would have to be multiple players. So who?
Why is this relevant?
No one said everyone needs to be hot from May 9th on - I just am sick of hearing "the bats are ice cold" over and over again. How long does that grace period last?
Bruce, Cespedes, Cabrera, Frazier and Conforto can all have career average years and it still won't guarantee a single thing.
what do you mean why is it relevant? It’s relevant because most are underperforming and historically are good players. You are saying that it’s been 5 weeks so no more excuses right? You must also be saying they won’t bounce back then either right?
Because none of them need to have a "horrific" year for the team to still suck or struggle.
Why is it always our collective group of hitters that get "ice cold" at the same time for 4 and 5 weeks at a time?
I don't see other good teams having that issue.
Are you watching every single game of another team and living and dying with them like you do the Mets? Because this happens to every player on every team. The Yankees have the most talented lineup in the sport and that fanbase was ready to jump off a cliff a few weeks into the season.
The Yankees have won like 16 of their last 17 games and lead all of baseball in offense. Their pitching is up there too.
We're not even close to them.
I'd love to see a Mets team that is smartly run like the Yankees. Would love to poach would of their top assistants this offseason if we get rid of Sandy, Omar and Ricco.
I'd love to see a Mets team that is smartly run like the Yankees. Would love to poach would of their top assistants this offseason if we get rid of Sandy, Omar and Ricco.
This is recency bias. Sure they do “today” but it was completely flipped a few years ago. Yankees had a farm middle of the pack at best and Mets had a top 5 system heading into 2015. Mets were the envy of everyone coming off the WS appearance. Ebbs and flows.
Is this a joke? Of course I’m not saying they are going to be in the “hunt” in spirit. lol. I’m saying they will be in range of an actual postseason spot up until the last week of the season barring catastrophic season ending injuries. Is that specific enough for you?
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also have a top farm system and are coming off of an ALCS appearance last year. The Mets are coming off of 90 losses and have a bottom farm system. The situations aren't comparable.
I'd love to see a Mets team that is smartly run like the Yankees. Would love to poach would of their top assistants this offseason if we get rid of Sandy, Omar and Ricco.
This is recency bias. Sure they do “today” but it was completely flipped a few years ago. Yankees had a farm middle of the pack at best and Mets had a top 5 system heading into 2015. Mets were the envy of everyone coming off the WS appearance. Ebbs and flows.
2015 is the exception for the Mets under Alderson. It's not enough to save his job IMO.
It's not ebbs and flows. It's a decade of failure with one great year and one good year. Not good enough, especially with a bottom farm system at the moment. Time is ticking Sandy.
I'll be fine either way, either Mets will make the playoffs or we'll get a new GM. I have no loyalty to this middling regime. Only to the Mets.
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What a vague statement to hang your hat on. I guess it's the easiest statement to make when you want to weasel your way out of an argument. It kinda plays on both sides of the fence.
Is this a joke? Of course I’m not saying they are going to be in the “hunt” in spirit. lol. I’m saying they will be in range of an actual postseason spot up until the last week of the season barring catastrophic season ending injuries. Is that specific enough for you?
Yup, that works.
All farms take a dip from time to time. If it’s awful for a 5 year stretch that’s totally different.
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What a vague statement to hang your hat on. I guess it's the easiest statement to make when you want to weasel your way out of an argument. It kinda plays on both sides of the fence.
Is this a joke? Of course I’m not saying they are going to be in the “hunt” in spirit. lol. I’m saying they will be in range of an actual postseason spot up until the last week of the season barring catastrophic season ending injuries. Is that specific enough for you?
Yup, that works.
Deal. :)
Major League team stinks
Farm system sucks
Honestly, only entertainment I'd tolerate from the Mets now is bringing up Tebow to play everyday. At least that would be entertaining one way or another.
Can't even win a series against the worst team in the NL.
This team is in major trouble.