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As cool as the Barkley picks, Hernandez is a stud

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/9/2018 2:13 pm
When he locks onto you, it's over.
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Might be more excited about  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2018 2:17 pm : link
him than Barkley honestly.
Many guys are studs  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 2:17 pm : link
especially against lower level competition.

Lets wait for pre-season, but there is a lot to like about this pick.
That play vs Texas at the :48 second mark  
T-Bone : 5/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
is nasty. Literally slams the guy to the ground.
RE: Many guys are studs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13959371 dep026 said:
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especially against lower level competition.

Lets wait for pre-season, but there is a lot to like about this pick.


Fair point, but this guy dominated Senior Bowl too. He just toys with people.
3rd and short  
Thegratefulhead : 5/9/2018 2:20 pm : link
Right behind him and Solder...finally.
RE: RE: Many guys are studs  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13959376 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13959371 dep026 said:


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especially against lower level competition.

Lets wait for pre-season, but there is a lot to like about this pick.



Fair point, but this guy dominated Senior Bowl too. He just toys with people.


Oh I am excited about the guy. Our dismal seasons lately have put a damper on my expectations. But we are definitely heading in the right direction.
How about the fact he did 37 reps at the combine?  
Knee of Theismann : 5/9/2018 2:27 pm : link
The most for an o-lineman, while Barkley did 29 (the most for a RB). I can't wait to watch that smashmouth combo this season and many seasons to come.

Da'ron Payne (the Skins 1st round DT) only did 27 reps, less than both Hernandez and Barkley. Couple that with the fact Hernandez is bigger than anyone they have on D and Barkley is faster/quicker than anyone they have on D.

I'm so pumped up right now lol
RE: Many guys are studs  
Knee of Theismann : 5/9/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13959371 dep026 said:
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especially against lower level competition.

Lets wait for pre-season, but there is a lot to like about this pick.


dep, some of those clips are UTEP playing Texas. I don't consider that lower level competition. at the 0:57 mark he pancakes the Texas DT!!
One place he struggled at the Sr Bowl  
Sy'56 : 5/9/2018 2:36 pm : link
And I see some issues on his UTEP tapes...pass protection against short and fast. OC Brett Jones struggles with the same thing...
RE: How about the fact he did 37 reps at the combine?  
Sy'56 : 5/9/2018 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13959396 Knee of Theismann said:
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The most for an o-lineman, while Barkley did 29 (the most for a RB). I can't wait to watch that smashmouth combo this season and many seasons to come.

Da'ron Payne (the Skins 1st round DT) only did 27 reps, less than both Hernandez and Barkley. Couple that with the fact Hernandez is bigger than anyone they have on D and Barkley is faster/quicker than anyone they have on D.

I'm so pumped up right now lol


To be fair, Hernandez has 32 in arms, which is on the very short side. And yes, even 1 inch on bench press does make a difference on a high rep approach.
If there is one thing Giant fans know how to appreciate, its  
Brown Recluse : 5/9/2018 2:39 pm : link
football in the trenches. We love our O and D lines.

Richie Seubert is one of my favorite Giants of all time. I can see Hernandez quickly becoming one as well. Very pumped to see him play. Especially against the Eagles.
Mitch Petrus put up 45 reps.  
Klaatu : 5/9/2018 2:40 pm : link
Just sayin'...
Love this pick  
WillVAB : 5/9/2018 2:45 pm : link
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His arms are the same length as Justin Pugh,  
Brown Recluse : 5/9/2018 2:51 pm : link
and Pugh only did 23 reps at his pro day.
Future  
PaulN : 5/9/2018 2:55 pm : link
Pro Bowler. I love this kid and I am not concerned about any part of his game. He will mature gain experience and get better, the great ones get better against better competition. This kid can do it all, pass protect and run block. He has great balance and good feet. His wrestling skills will really help him.
Senior Bowl Practices  
Spider56 : 5/9/2018 2:59 pm : link
I remember reading about both Hernandez and BJ Hill during and after Senior Bowl week . The word was they both dominated everyone they faced except each other which were equal. Training camp should be interesting ... at least for the few practices where they can actually hit.
RE: Mitch Petrus put up 45 reps.  
GeofromNJ : 5/9/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13959428 Klaatu said:
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Just sayin'...
Klaatu speaks the truth.
*the stud  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/9/2018 3:06 pm : link
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nothing like a mauler on the line.  
Victor in CT : 5/9/2018 3:14 pm : link
can't have enough nasty up front
Run/Pass split  
Go Terps : 5/9/2018 3:19 pm : link
I'm hoping this is a year where the Giants actually run the ball as much as or more than they pass it. If the backs are Barkley/Stewart/Gallman and our guards are Omameh/Hernandez, to me that spells "run the shit out of the ball and use that to create play action opportunities".

The 2008 team had a run/pass split of 502/491. It would be great to see a similar ratio in 2018.
RE: Run/Pass split  
Sean : 5/9/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13959474 Go Terps said:
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I'm hoping this is a year where the Giants actually run the ball as much as or more than they pass it. If the backs are Barkley/Stewart/Gallman and our guards are Omameh/Hernandez, to me that spells "run the shit out of the ball and use that to create play action opportunities".

The 2008 team had a run/pass split of 502/491. It would be great to see a similar ratio in 2018.


Yep & this is what you called for when you endorsed Kubiak.
RE: Run/Pass split  
giants#1 : 5/9/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13959474 Go Terps said:
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I'm hoping this is a year where the Giants actually run the ball as much as or more than they pass it. If the backs are Barkley/Stewart/Gallman and our guards are Omameh/Hernandez, to me that spells "run the shit out of the ball and use that to create play action opportunities".

The 2008 team had a run/pass split of 502/491. It would be great to see a similar ratio in 2018.


Aren't you an analytics guy? If so, why wouldn't you be calling for them to be a pass heavy offense?
While some knock him for his lack of versatility,  
Diver_Down : 5/9/2018 3:29 pm : link
I consider it a plus. The guy has only played LG. While he has stated that he will play wherever the coaches see fit, I suspect that the SBW will continue to play LG with Omameh playing RG. He plays one position and one position well. Tired of the Jack of all trades - master of none approach.
Terps...  
Chris684 : 5/9/2018 3:30 pm : link
Eli hinted recently that play action has basically been a lost cause.

With the back we've trotted out there since Bradshaw and Jacobs, no surprise there.

My draft strategy was exactly what the Giants did.

Barkley + the top rated interior OL in round 2 Hernandez/Daniels/Smith

or...

Try to slide down in rd 1 for Nelson and then take Michel/Guice or Ronald Jones in rd 2.

The additional picks would have been nice in the 2nd scenario, but I wouldnt change what happened as I believe they got the best 2 players they could have gotten.
of course play action has been a lost cause. it can't work unless  
Victor in CT : 5/9/2018 3:39 pm : link
the running game actually exists.
looks like larry allen  
sundayatone : 5/9/2018 3:41 pm : link
hopefully he comes close to that level
PA doesn't work when  
giants#1 : 5/9/2018 3:42 pm : link
A) D's can stop your running game with a 7 man front. No reason for the safeties, in particular, to cheat up or even worry about the RBs.

B) You have no deep threat, which was the case once Beckham went down last season. Even if the safeties bite, who was going to make a play downfield?
RE: looks like larry allen  
Diver_Down : 5/9/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13959489 sundayatone said:
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hopefully he comes close to that level


While it would be great if he comes close to Allen, we should be elated if he makes a single pro-bowl in his 4 year contract. For years, we have been hearing that Pugh, our best OL, was playing at a pro-bowl caliber level. Yet, the guy wasn't even considered an alternate for a replacement of a pro-bowler.
attitude  
Tim in JTown : 5/9/2018 3:57 pm : link
If we didn't pick Barkley I would have hoped we went Nelson. But I'm stoked about Hernandez who is pretty close to Nelson. He has the attitude I want to see on this line. Maybe his presence will trigger some nastiness elsewhere on the line as well.
Yes he is! Giants were lucky to get him!  
ZogZerg : 5/9/2018 4:03 pm : link
Surprised on some of the negative comments on this thread.
be thankfull  
msh : 5/9/2018 4:34 pm : link
that cleveland were too dumb to draft him in the second round they so needed him to open up the lanes up the middle for barkley
RE: be thankfull  
the mike : 5/9/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13959563 msh said:
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that cleveland were too dumb to draft him in the second round they so needed him to open up the lanes up the middle for barkley


On three successive picks, the Browns passed on Barkley, Chubb and Hernandez... could ultimately be the three worst successive picks in NFL draft history...
The combination  
Phil in LA : 5/9/2018 4:55 pm : link
a Saquon and Hernandez is going to be overwhelming. Saquon had small seems at PSU, and now he'll get paved highways!
RE: RE: Run/Pass split  
Go Terps : 5/9/2018 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13959478 giants#1 said:
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I'm hoping this is a year where the Giants actually run the ball as much as or more than they pass it. If the backs are Barkley/Stewart/Gallman and our guards are Omameh/Hernandez, to me that spells "run the shit out of the ball and use that to create play action opportunities".

The 2008 team had a run/pass split of 502/491. It would be great to see a similar ratio in 2018.



Aren't you an analytics guy? If so, why wouldn't you be calling for them to be a pass heavy offense?


That's not how this team is built. If Lauletta were the quarterback it might make more sense, but we've got a quarterback who might be shellshocked from years of abuse and who's always been best throwing the ball downfield off play action. Our best WR is also coming off a lower body injury, and we're probably going to want to keep him from the short routes that get him killed.
RE: Terps...  
Go Terps : 5/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13959482 Chris684 said:
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Eli hinted recently that play action has basically been a lost cause.

With the back we've trotted out there since Bradshaw and Jacobs, no surprise there.

My draft strategy was exactly what the Giants did.

Barkley + the top rated interior OL in round 2 Hernandez/Daniels/Smith

or...

Try to slide down in rd 1 for Nelson and then take Michel/Guice or Ronald Jones in rd 2.

The additional picks would have been nice in the 2nd scenario, but I wouldnt change what happened as I believe they got the best 2 players they could have gotten.


An interesting approach might have been to draft both Nelson and Hernandez, and build the offense around having them obliterate people.
curious what his quickness looks like  
mdc1 : 5/9/2018 5:40 pm : link
against upper level talent and will be interesting to see how a UTEP conference level does against the traditional conference athletes and pros. UTEP plays many bums in their schedule and got beaten badly by upper level teams.
Looking at those highlights  
Dave on the UWS : 5/9/2018 6:00 pm : link
and seeing that he's kind of squat in his build I can see Sy's point. He looks a little stiff with regards to his lateral quickness and dealing with speed. Good film work and knowing jus opponents will help with that. His strengths are outstanding though.
I know PFF is funky sometimes but here's a GLOWING video  
BestFeature : 5/9/2018 6:27 pm : link
about him.
Will Hernandez PFF - ( New Window )
Excellent value @ 34  
Peppers : 5/9/2018 6:30 pm : link
He came gift wrapped for Gettleman. Easily NYGs best pick of their draft in my opinion.
RE: RE: Run/Pass split  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/9/2018 6:39 pm : link
In comment 13959478 giants#1 said:
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Aren't you an analytics guy? If so, why wouldn't you be calling for them to be a pass heavy offense?


That's not what analytics is.
Good video that goes into his early life and what football did for him  
GFAN52 : 5/9/2018 6:44 pm : link
Pretty amazing story about his early life struggles and his father as his trainer and inspiration. Second part is about Rosen.
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Why wasnt Hernandez drafted higher?  
Youtoo : 5/9/2018 7:30 pm : link
He seems like he has the credentials of a top 10 pick?

Also PFF says he has some issues with fundamentals. In particular not getting low enough. How much does he have to improve to be a good starter?
RE: Run/Pass split  
djm : 5/9/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13959474 Go Terps said:
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I'm hoping this is a year where the Giants actually run the ball as much as or more than they pass it. If the backs are Barkley/Stewart/Gallman and our guards are Omameh/Hernandez, to me that spells "run the shit out of the ball and use that to create play action opportunities".

The 2008 team had a run/pass split of 502/491. It would be great to see a similar ratio in 2018.


I was screaming, begging for the giants to run the ball TOO much before week 1 this last season. At times in the past I had no problems passing it a million times with Eli but I really felt the giants needed to learn to walk before they flew this season. Figured the offense would need time to oh forget it we just sucked the high hard one. As confident as we all were I was a little leery and wanted to stabilize the game with ground control. Alas.

This year Iím not as worried because we have a pro offensive mind here now.
RE: RE: be thankfull  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/9/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13959585 the mike said:
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that cleveland were too dumb to draft him in the second round they so needed him to open up the lanes up the middle for barkley



On three successive picks, the Browns passed on Barkley, Chubb and Hernandez... could ultimately be the three worst successive picks in NFL draft history...


Somebody should review all drafts for teams that drafted after Cleveland, probably did better than usual.
Finally and heir apparent to ...  
short lease : 5/9/2018 9:07 pm : link
Snee?

RE: be thankfull  
Peppers : 5/9/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13959563 msh said:
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that cleveland were too dumb to draft him in the second round they so needed him to open up the lanes up the middle for barkley


The Browns have two of the highest paid Guards in the league in Zeitler and Bitonio. Hernandez isn't a fit in Cleveland. They needed a guy like Corbett who can play all 5 positions on the OL and he will compete for their starting LT spot.
RE: Senior Bowl Practices  
short lease : 5/9/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13959452 Spider56 said:
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I remember reading about both Hernandez and BJ Hill during and after Senior Bowl week . The word was they both dominated everyone they faced except each other which were equal. Training camp should be interesting ... at least for the few practices where they can actually hit.


There is a link elsewhere on the Senior Bowl practices.


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RE: Why wasnt Hernandez drafted higher?  
Peppers : 5/9/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13959674 Youtoo said:
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He seems like he has the credentials of a top 10 pick?

Also PFF says he has some issues with fundamentals. In particular not getting low enough. How much does he have to improve to be a good starter?


He's just a guard. Teams value versatility.
RE: I know PFF is funky sometimes but here's a GLOWING video  
short lease : 5/9/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13959640 BestFeature said:
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about him. Will Hernandez PFF - ( New Window )


"An anchor of air Craft Carrier" - nice
He and Solder  
short lease : 5/10/2018 12:21 am : link
(on the left side) - are going to be such an upgrade from last year.

Can't wait till the season starts ... ; )
RE: That play vs Texas at the :48 second mark  
short lease : 5/10/2018 12:23 am : link
In comment 13959374 T-Bone said:
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is nasty. Literally slams the guy to the ground.


"He doesn't like people"
.........  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 5/10/2018 8:06 am : link
I think a big difference in drafting Olinemen between Reese and DG is how they value versatility.

I think Reese looked for players that could theoretically play tackle or guard. DG just goes for a pure guard.

I like it
I would wait til st least on field playing games  
micky : 5/10/2018 8:57 am : link
and a few seasons before claiming anyone "studs" or HOF'ers or "Generational"
RE: RE: Many guys are studs  
HoustonGiant : 5/10/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13959376 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13959371 dep026 said:


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especially against lower level competition.

Lets wait for pre-season, but there is a lot to like about this pick.



Fair point, but this guy dominated Senior Bowl too. He just toys with people.


He played on an 0-13 team, you think the comp was worse???
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