Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago
Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.
Which I hated. Fuck the RPO
Huh?
I hate the run pass option
I got that. I'm not sure whether you meant Penn St. or the Giants. I ask because I have seen people incorrectly use RPO for other things that aren't RPOs. I am not criticizing. I just wanted clarification.
Plus, why do you hate RPOs? The Eagles rode that shit to a Super Bowl.
RE: 11 personnel doesn't tend itself to a lot of lead blocker situations
2017
Shotgun: 460 passing atts
Under Center: 110 passing atts
Darkwa Shotgun: 37 atts
Darkwa Under Center: 134 atts
Gallman Shotgun: 36 atts
Gallman Under Center: 75 atts
Vereen Shotgun: 37 atts
Vereen Under Center: 36 atts
Perkins Shotgun: 9 atts
Perkins Under Center: 26 atts
Total: 30.5% atts from shotgun (119 atts shotgun; 271 under center)
2016
Shotgun: 526 passing atts
Under Center: 73 passing atts
Darkwa Shotgun: 16 atts
Darkwa Under Center: 14 atts
Jennings Shotgun: 84 atts
Jennings Under Center: 96 atts
Vereen Shotgun: 20 atts
Vereen Under Center: 13 atts
Perkins Shotgun: 48 atts
Perkins Under Center: 64 atts
Total: 47.3% atts from shotgun (168 atts shotgun; 187 under center)
84% of Eli's passes the last 2 seasons have been from shotgun.
So yes, the Giants ran it quite a bit from shotgun under McAdoo, especially in 2016. For a quick comparison, the Pats ran it out of shotgun just 56 times in 2017 or 13.3% of their total runs (randomly picked the Pats).
(numbers per pro-football-reference)
I bet you the 2017 numbers were affected by the 4 games Spagnuolo coached and tried to call a more balanced attack.
First team O-line at the first mandatory mini camp practice:
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
1m1 minute ago
UDFA Jawill Davis makes a one-handed grab. Wearing no. 80 just like the patron saint of udfa wrs.
I think this guy has a real shot with the lack of depth at WR. He was really impressive at the college all star practices I saw and teams were all over him in regards to interviews. Here's hoping...
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
38s39 seconds ago
After about 10 minutes working after practice, Saquon Barkley and QB John O'Korn were the last two to jog off the field. As they approached the steps to the building, Saquon slowed down and let O'Korn get a few paces ahead of him. Saquon was literally the last one off the field.
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
39s40 seconds ago
2. Kyle Lauletta isn't especially imposing (size + build). He also doesn't have a strong arm. More like a Drew Brees type with the way he throws and operates. (Note: Not saying he's Drew Brees) #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
29s29 seconds ago
3. It was very windy out. Made for a difficulty day of throwing. Punters Jacob DeMaio and Taylor Morton were booming the ball with the wind. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
47s47 seconds ago
4. Will Hernandez moves pretty well for a 327-pound guard. He doesn't look huge though because as 6-2 he's on the short side for an OL. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
25s25 seconds ago
5. Undrafted free agent safety Sean Chandler (Temple) and cornerback Aaron Davis (Georgia) look like they can play a little bit. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
25s25 seconds ago
5. Undrafted free agent safety Sean Chandler (Temple) and cornerback Aaron Davis (Georgia) look like they can play a little bit. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
25s25 seconds ago
5. Undrafted free agent safety Sean Chandler (Temple) and cornerback Aaron Davis (Georgia) look like they can play a little bit. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Well, God knows we need the help back there.
Well, God knows Raanan cant evaluate well no matter how close he gets.
Paul Schwartz
Verified account @NYPost_Schwartz
1h1 hour ago
DT R.J. Mcintosh, the fifth-round pick from Miami, has what the Giants are calling a "mild medical condition'' and did not practice today. He should be able to resume activities soon.
notes from Schmeelk... http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Practice-report-from-Giants-rookie-minicamp-511/8235ed2c-482a-4ae9-a22f-07494914a89d - ( New Window )
"Six-four punter Jacob DeMaio from Weber State is the tallest punter I have ever seen here with the Giants."
I guess Schmeelk is too young to have seen Dave Jennings, who was 6'4".
Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago
Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.
Which I hated. Fuck the RPO
Huh?
I hate the run pass option
I got that. I'm not sure whether you meant Penn St. or the Giants. I ask because I have seen people incorrectly use RPO for other things that aren't RPOs. I am not criticizing. I just wanted clarification.
Plus, why do you hate RPOs? The Eagles rode that shit to a Super Bowl.
Penn State's RPO, which they used often. It was horrible. First off, Penn State's O-Line couldn't block a grandma and to have that much time elapse while McSorley decides to keep it or not meant that there was at least defensive player in the backfield every single snap. Second, whenever McSorley did decide to give the ball to Saquon, Saquon didn't have a ton of room to run.
And yes, the Eagles did use the RPO effectively, but I think we would all benefit from under center, Power-I football. Much easier on the eyes (and the players) and it would allow Saquon to know in advance that he's going to run with it and plan and foresee accordingly.
Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂
More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.
Dan Duggan
Verified account @DDuggan21
38s39 seconds ago
Shurmur said Perkins was going to miss significant time with the pec injury and they wanted the roster spot.
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of the alphabet?
Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂
More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.
I remain an admirer of your work arc, well done
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of the alphabet?
Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂
More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.
I remain an admirer of your work arc, well done
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of the alphabet?
Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂
More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.
I remain an admirer of your work arc, well done
You need to subscribe to his newsletter.
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Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago
Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.
Which I hated. Fuck the RPO
Huh?
I hate the run pass option
I got that. I'm not sure whether you meant Penn St. or the Giants. I ask because I have seen people incorrectly use RPO for other things that aren't RPOs. I am not criticizing. I just wanted clarification.
Plus, why do you hate RPOs? The Eagles rode that shit to a Super Bowl.
2017
Shotgun: 460 passing atts
Under Center: 110 passing atts
Darkwa Shotgun: 37 atts
Darkwa Under Center: 134 atts
Gallman Shotgun: 36 atts
Gallman Under Center: 75 atts
Vereen Shotgun: 37 atts
Vereen Under Center: 36 atts
Perkins Shotgun: 9 atts
Perkins Under Center: 26 atts
Total: 30.5% atts from shotgun (119 atts shotgun; 271 under center)
2016
Shotgun: 526 passing atts
Under Center: 73 passing atts
Darkwa Shotgun: 16 atts
Darkwa Under Center: 14 atts
Jennings Shotgun: 84 atts
Jennings Under Center: 96 atts
Vereen Shotgun: 20 atts
Vereen Under Center: 13 atts
Perkins Shotgun: 48 atts
Perkins Under Center: 64 atts
Total: 47.3% atts from shotgun (168 atts shotgun; 187 under center)
84% of Eli's passes the last 2 seasons have been from shotgun.
So yes, the Giants ran it quite a bit from shotgun under McAdoo, especially in 2016. For a quick comparison, the Pats ran it out of shotgun just 56 times in 2017 or 13.3% of their total runs (randomly picked the Pats).
(numbers per pro-football-reference)
I bet you the 2017 numbers were affected by the 4 games Spagnuolo coached and tried to call a more balanced attack.
LT-Solder LG- Hernandez C- Jones RG- Omameh RT- Wheeler/Flowers.
LT-Solder LG- Hernandez C- Jones RG- Omameh RT- Wheeler/Flowers.
Nope.
Why would he post that in this thread? Dumb.
Dan Duggan
Verified account @DDuggan21
56s57 seconds ago
Fifth-round pick RJ McIntosh isnt particiating in rookie minicamp. Hes watching from the sideline.
Ryan Dunleavy
Verified account @rydunleavy
1m1 minute ago
True to form, Dave Gettleman is out at practice hovering over hog mollies on OL. #giants
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
1m1 minute ago
UDFA Jawill Davis makes a one-handed grab. Wearing no. 80 just like the patron saint of udfa wrs.
Dan Duggan
Verified account @DDuggan21
18s18 seconds ago
Kyle Lauletta air-mailed a few deep throws in 1-on-1s. Maybe just trying to put those arm strength questions to rest.
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
1m1 minute ago
UDFA Jawill Davis makes a one-handed grab. Wearing no. 80 just like the patron saint of udfa wrs.
I think this guy has a real shot with the lack of depth at WR. He was really impressive at the college all star practices I saw and teams were all over him in regards to interviews. Here's hoping...
Art Stapleton
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@art_stapleton
CB Grant Haley already making an impression. Very smooth in coverage, nifty PBU on Kyle Lauletta pass on in-cut to WR Alonzo Russell#NYG
Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
27s27 seconds ago
Nasty cutback by Saquon Barkley in the backfield, before reversing course behind the line of scrimmage and gaining 10 in 11-on-11. #Giants
New York Giants
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21s22 seconds ago
🚨🚨🚨Undrafted safety (and NJ native) Sean Chandler with an INT at rookie minicamp! 🚨🚨🚨
Patricia Traina
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Lauletta has thrown a couple deep balls with good velocity. He did just have a receiver let it go through his hands.
can see why he is so strong
meant to say pretty BIG calves
Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
20s21 seconds ago
Lauletta intercepted by Orion Stewart. #Giants
New York Giants
Verified account @Giants
37s37 seconds ago
Undrafted WR Jawill Davis getting in on the action with a pair of big catches! 🎯🎯
Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
20s21 seconds ago
Lauletta intercepted by Orion Stewart. #Giants
This looks to be off a tip form rookie OLB Zo Carter
Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
42s43 seconds ago
Grant Haley breaks up a deep pass from Kyle Lauletta on the final play of todays practice. #Giants
Dan Duggan
Verified account @DDuggan21
5m5 minutes ago
True to his word, Barkley is the last player on the field after practice (with tryout QB John OKorn catching passes).
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
38s39 seconds ago
After about 10 minutes working after practice, Saquon Barkley and QB John O'Korn were the last two to jog off the field. As they approached the steps to the building, Saquon slowed down and let O'Korn get a few paces ahead of him. Saquon was literally the last one off the field.
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
2m2 minutes ago
1. Saquon Barkley looks the part. Watching the way he cuts, spins, runs and catches the ball is impressive. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
39s40 seconds ago
2. Kyle Lauletta isn't especially imposing (size + build). He also doesn't have a strong arm. More like a Drew Brees type with the way he throws and operates. (Note: Not saying he's Drew Brees) #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
29s29 seconds ago
3. It was very windy out. Made for a difficulty day of throwing. Punters Jacob DeMaio and Taylor Morton were booming the ball with the wind. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
47s47 seconds ago
4. Will Hernandez moves pretty well for a 327-pound guard. He doesn't look huge though because as 6-2 he's on the short side for an OL. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
25s25 seconds ago
5. Undrafted free agent safety Sean Chandler (Temple) and cornerback Aaron Davis (Georgia) look like they can play a little bit. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
25s25 seconds ago
5. Undrafted free agent safety Sean Chandler (Temple) and cornerback Aaron Davis (Georgia) look like they can play a little bit. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Well, God knows we need the help back there.
Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
47s47 seconds ago
4. Will Hernandez moves pretty well for a 327-pound guard.
The kind of hard-hitting and new information you can expect on the Giants beat.
meant to say pretty BIG calves
It's okay. We won't judge you here.
Dan Duggan
Verified account @DDuggan21
56s57 seconds ago
Fifth-round pick RJ McIntosh isnt particiating in rookie minicamp. Hes watching from the sideline.
Doomed already.
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Jordan Raanan
Verified account @JordanRaanan
25s25 seconds ago
5. Undrafted free agent safety Sean Chandler (Temple) and cornerback Aaron Davis (Georgia) look like they can play a little bit. #Giants #RookieMinicamp
Well, God knows we need the help back there.
Well, God knows Raanan cant evaluate well no matter how close he gets.
Paul Schwartz
Verified account @NYPost_Schwartz
1h1 hour ago
DT R.J. Mcintosh, the fifth-round pick from Miami, has what the Giants are calling a "mild medical condition'' and did not practice today. He should be able to resume activities soon.
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Practice-report-from-Giants-rookie-minicamp-511/8235ed2c-482a-4ae9-a22f-07494914a89d - ( New Window )
"Six-four punter Jacob DeMaio from Weber State is the tallest punter I have ever seen here with the Giants."
I guess Schmeelk is too young to have seen Dave Jennings, who was 6'4".
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Matt Lombardo
Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago
Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.
Which I hated. Fuck the RPO
Huh?
I hate the run pass option
I got that. I'm not sure whether you meant Penn St. or the Giants. I ask because I have seen people incorrectly use RPO for other things that aren't RPOs. I am not criticizing. I just wanted clarification.
Plus, why do you hate RPOs? The Eagles rode that shit to a Super Bowl.
Penn State's RPO, which they used often. It was horrible. First off, Penn State's O-Line couldn't block a grandma and to have that much time elapse while McSorley decides to keep it or not meant that there was at least defensive player in the backfield every single snap. Second, whenever McSorley did decide to give the ball to Saquon, Saquon didn't have a ton of room to run.
And yes, the Eagles did use the RPO effectively, but I think we would all benefit from under center, Power-I football. Much easier on the eyes (and the players) and it would allow Saquon to know in advance that he's going to run with it and plan and foresee accordingly.
Holy crap that photo of Barkley his legs look like tree trunks chiseled from granite can't wait to see him play !