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New York Giants Rookie Mini-Camp: Day 1 Tweets

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 7:26 am


Friday, May 11

11:30 a.m. Pat Shurmur Available

11:45 a.m. -12:30 p.m. Player Interviews

3:35 p.m. Practice
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Very brief video of the rookies...  
Ceez2.0 : 5/11/2018 9:23 am : link
Still cool nonetheless.
Link - ( New Window )
I think they should let Flowers & Apple participate  
Jimmy Googs : 5/11/2018 9:45 am : link
and lets start these guys over again...
So, does that mean Perkins is on IR  
robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2018 10:23 am : link
?
RE: Very brief video of the rookies...  
Joey in VA : 5/11/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13960923 Ceez2.0 said:
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Still cool nonetheless. Link - ( New Window )
How the hell is Skiba still employed?
John O'Korn working out for the Giants  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:12 am : link
QB from Michigan
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:12 am : link

Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
2m2 minutes ago

Here are the veterans participating in #Giants Rookie Minicamp:
WR Amba Etta-Tawo
WR Alonso Russell
K Marshall Koehn
S Tim Scott
ILB Derrick Matthews
RB Jalen Simmons
S Orion Stewart
CB Chris Lewis-Harris
OG Chris Scott
T Jonathan McLaughlin
G Ethan Cooper
G Adam Bisnowaty


Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
2m2 minutes ago

LB Ian Seau
LB Ovatavio Gonzalez
NT Tyrique Jarrett
OT Malcolm Bunche
LS Cole Mazza
DE Eric Crume
DE Okine Earl
RE: John O'Korn working out for the Giants  
dep026 : 5/11/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13961008 Anakim said:
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QB from Michigan


WORST QB EVER!!!!

Bad karma there. Cut him immediately!!!!
Ian Seau is the nephew of the late Junior Seau  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:16 am : link
I remember he had some juice going into the draft
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:16 am : link
Wheeler not in attendence  
njm : 5/11/2018 11:18 am : link
Not sure whether that's good or bad.
A player named Boobie???  
Mike in NY : 5/11/2018 11:20 am : link
Drew Brown actually was one of the better undrafted Kickers. Surprised the best he could do was a tryout.
Didn't realize  
Jay in Toronto : 5/11/2018 11:24 am : link
Barkley is only 21 (as is McIntosh).
Duplicate numbers  
smokeybandit : 5/11/2018 11:27 am : link
So those with duplicate numbers get a "B" (if offense) or a "W" (if defense or special teams) with their numbers?
RE: John O'Korn working out for the Giants  
smokeybandit : 5/11/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13961008 Anakim said:
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QB from Michigan


He declared himself the most NFL-ready QB available in the draft.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2018/03/23/ums-john-okorn-nfl-ready-qb-draft/33221477/
RE: Wheeler not in attendence  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13961014 njm said:
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Not sure whether that's good or bad.


I don't think he's allowed. He has a full credited season under his belt.
Bisnowaty listed as Guard  
ij_reilly : 5/11/2018 11:32 am : link
not Tackle.

I guess he has a new primary position?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:32 am : link

Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
44s45 seconds ago

Pat Shurmur: We want to teach our rookies the right way from the very beginning. We want to drill into these guys the New York #Giants way, and thats every facet of their life.
RE: Bisnowaty listed as Guard  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13961028 ij_reilly said:
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not Tackle.

I guess he has a new primary position?


I wouldn't read too much into that.
After looking for Canada's best,  
Pete in MD : 5/11/2018 11:33 am : link
now they are trying to find talent South of the boarder?
I assume this is the same guy. - ( New Window )
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:35 am : link

Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
32s32 seconds ago

Shurmur: Watching Kyle Lauletta in the walkthrough, he seems to have the feel for what it takes as a quarterback. #Giants
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:38 am : link

New York Giants
‏Verified account @Giants
22s23 seconds ago

Coach Shurmur: Will Hernandez has played a lot of snaps at left guard so well certainly look at him there...but hes going to get reps on both sides. #NYGiants
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:40 am : link

Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
38s39 seconds ago

Shurmur said Perkins was going to miss significant time with the pec injury and they wanted the roster spot.
Does Bennett Jackson really think he's fooling anybody...  
Milton : 5/11/2018 11:52 am : link
...by changing his name to Jackson Bennett and saying he's from Canada?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 11:55 am : link

Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.
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Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 13961054 Eric from BBI said:
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Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.


Which I hated. Fuck the RPO
RE: Duplicate numbers  
Eman11 : 5/11/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 13961019 smokeybandit said:
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So those with duplicate numbers get a "B" (if offense) or a "W" (if defense or special teams) with their numbers?


Pretty sure it's just the color of their jersey as a way to tell who is who and not the actual letter added on their jerseys.
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giants#1 : 5/11/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13961054 Eric from BBI said:
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Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.


Should've kept McAdoo. Then he wouldn't even have to adjust to a new formation!

It'll be interesting to see if they keep a traditional FB or use Engram/Ellison in that role and to see how quickly Barkley adjust to having a lead blocker.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 12:11 pm : link

New York Giants
‏Verified account @Giants
1m1 minute ago

.@kylelauletta - Ive heard nothing but great things about Eli Manning. He welcomed me to the #NYGiants and congratulated me.
That roster list would indicate that NYG defense  
Chris684 : 5/11/2018 12:12 pm : link
now practices in white?

That would go against tradition unless this is just for rookie camp.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 12:12 pm : link

Ryan Dunleavy
‏Verified account @rydunleavy
7m7 minutes ago

Will Hernandez has a good sense of humor about paving way for Saquon Barkley. Says he always walks in front of him, including when he gets his meal in cafeteria. #giants
Ourlads had Drew Brown ranked as the 4th top kicker in the draft  
TheMick7 : 5/11/2018 12:12 pm : link
It'll be interesting to see if he's offered a contract!
RE: That roster list would indicate that NYG defense  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13961068 Chris684 said:
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now practices in white?

That would go against tradition unless this is just for rookie camp.


Shurmur switched it. The reporters remarked about it during the first mini-camp.
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Gatorade Dunk : 5/11/2018 12:20 pm : link
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Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.



Should've kept McAdoo. Then he wouldn't even have to adjust to a new formation!

It'll be interesting to see if they keep a traditional FB or use Engram/Ellison in that role and to see how quickly Barkley adjust to having a lead blocker.

It's remarkable how frequently this (or some variation of it) gets repeated. The Giants used several formations under McAdoo. It was a personnel group (11 personnel) that there was an extremely high usage frequency for.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2018 12:33 pm : link
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Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.



Which I hated. Fuck the RPO


Huh?
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smokeybandit : 5/11/2018 12:34 pm : link
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Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.



Which I hated. Fuck the RPO


Barkley was in a more pro-style offense as a freshman, so it's not like the concept will be foreign to him.
Is it significant that most of the tryout players are in the last half  
Ivan15 : 5/11/2018 12:43 pm : link
of the alphabet?

Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂
11 personnel doesn't tend itself to a lot of lead blocker situations  
giants#1 : 5/11/2018 12:46 pm : link
But if you want some actual stats:

2017
Shotgun: 460 passing atts
Under Center: 110 passing atts
Darkwa Shotgun: 37 atts
Darkwa Under Center: 134 atts
Gallman Shotgun: 36 atts
Gallman Under Center: 75 atts
Vereen Shotgun: 37 atts
Vereen Under Center: 36 atts
Perkins Shotgun: 9 atts
Perkins Under Center: 26 atts
Total: 30.5% atts from shotgun (119 atts shotgun; 271 under center)

2016
Shotgun: 526 passing atts
Under Center: 73 passing atts
Darkwa Shotgun: 16 atts
Darkwa Under Center: 14 atts
Jennings Shotgun: 84 atts
Jennings Under Center: 96 atts
Vereen Shotgun: 20 atts
Vereen Under Center: 13 atts
Perkins Shotgun: 48 atts
Perkins Under Center: 64 atts
Total: 47.3% atts from shotgun (168 atts shotgun; 187 under center)

84% of Eli's passes the last 2 seasons have been from shotgun.

So yes, the Giants ran it quite a bit from shotgun under McAdoo, especially in 2016. For a quick comparison, the Pats ran it out of shotgun just 56 times in 2017 or 13.3% of their total runs (randomly picked the Pats).


(numbers per pro-football-reference)
I guess Brett Toth caught on with somewhere else...  
Milton : 5/11/2018 12:57 pm : link
He was an invite to the rookie camp at one point.
RE: I guess Brett Toth caught on with somewhere else...  
Bill L : 5/11/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13961099 Milton said:
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He was an invite to the rookie camp at one point.
Good for him. Too bad for me. I was hoping that he would be a Giant.
RE: ...  
Jay on the Island : 5/11/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13961066 Eric from BBI said:
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New York Giants
‏Verified account @Giants
1m1 minute ago

.@kylelauletta - Ive heard nothing but great things about Eli Manning. He welcomed me to the #NYGiants and congratulated me.

Looks like Eli is once again handling this situation far better than Roethlisberger.
RE: I guess Brett Toth caught on with somewhere else...  
Jay on the Island : 5/11/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13961099 Milton said:
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He was an invite to the rookie camp at one point.

I was hoping that he would tryout as well. I just looked on google and I couldn't find any news about him trying out for another team.
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Anakim : 5/11/2018 1:21 pm : link
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Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.



Which I hated. Fuck the RPO



Huh?


I hate the run pass option
Brown has  
XBRONX : 5/11/2018 1:39 pm : link
a weak leg
RE: Is it significant that most of the tryout players are in the last half  
arcarsenal : 5/11/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13961089 Ivan15 said:
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of the alphabet?

Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂


More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.
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Beer Man : 5/11/2018 2:06 pm : link
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Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
38s39 seconds ago

Shurmur said Perkins was going to miss significant time with the pec injury and they wanted the roster spot.
Pectoral surgery has about a six month recovery window. He wouldn't be back until October/November at the earliest.
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mfsd : 5/11/2018 2:25 pm : link
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of the alphabet?

Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂



More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.


I remain an admirer of your work arc, well done
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arcarsenal : 5/11/2018 2:34 pm : link
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of the alphabet?

Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂



More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.



I remain an admirer of your work arc, well done


Forgot we had WR Amba Etta-Tawo  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/11/2018 2:39 pm : link
He could be sleeper to make the team. Guy has talent and we need another WR.
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Klaatu : 5/11/2018 2:56 pm : link
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of the alphabet?

Maybe they went through their phone book and all the guys in the first half of the list were trying out somewhere else.😂



More proof of how clueless Gettleman is if we're being honest.



I remain an admirer of your work arc, well done


You need to subscribe to his newsletter.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2018 2:59 pm : link
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Matt Lombardo
‏Verified account @MattLombardoNFL
1m1 minute ago

Saquon Barkley on the biggest difference from #PennState and the #Giants: Its the playbook. But, I learn things like this really quick. In college, we ran out of the shotgun all the time, here we run out of the I, but its similar.



Which I hated. Fuck the RPO



Huh?



I hate the run pass option


I got that. I'm not sure whether you meant Penn St. or the Giants. I ask because I have seen people incorrectly use RPO for other things that aren't RPOs. I am not criticizing. I just wanted clarification.

Plus, why do you hate RPOs? The Eagles rode that shit to a Super Bowl.
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