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The Patriots release 2017 3rd round pick OT Antonio Garcia

Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 10:27 am
The Patriots are parting ways with last yearís third-round pick.

According to Field Yates of ESPN, the Patriots are releasing offensive tackle Antonio Garcia with a failed-physical designation.

Garcia didnít play last year because of blood clots in his lungs, spending the season on the non-football injury list. They traded up to take him 85th overall last year.

Garcia said in March he had been cleared to return, but the Patriots apparently had a different opinion.
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I was a big fan of his in last year's draft  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 10:28 am : link
If he could pass a physical he would be worth the gamble.
Also a NFI  
jcn56 : 5/12/2018 10:31 am : link
but he had some health related issues that prevented him from seeing the field last year. Maybe this is in some way connected, and football just isn't in the cards for him.
It speaks volumes to me.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/12/2018 10:41 am : link
They have no LT that isn't a question mark. Wynn is basically their only LT now and some feel he'd make a better guard in the NFL.
I was livid last year when the Patriots  
mavric : 5/12/2018 11:07 am : link
jumped over us in the draft to snag Garcia who I badly wanted. We ended up with Webb instead. In hind sight, maybe it's one of those "thank God for unanswered prayers" deals.


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IIRC  
old man : 5/12/2018 11:29 am : link
it seemed he translated better as a OG than OT.
Further, his Wiki said because of the clots, he couldn't practice, and lost over 40 pounds;as a result, he was cut.

Hard to tell if it's truly all medical, or just Patriots way of a short rope/,what have you done lately?

I hope he is OK. ID K if you can still play while on blood thinners , but@ 6'7" if he can play and has NFL skills, he'd be a nice addition.
if he's being released  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2018 11:37 am : link
by New England, why do people think he can play in NY and magically solve some OL issues?

Do you think maybe he's being released for a reason that will impact his play?

If he's being released for off-field stuff, I guess I could see him being a consideration, but I didn't read that.
RE: if he's being released  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 11:45 am : link
In comment 13961734 pjcas18 said:
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by New England, why do people think he can play in NY and magically solve some OL issues?

Do you think maybe he's being released for a reason that will impact his play?

If he's being released for off-field stuff, I guess I could see him being a consideration, but I didn't read that.


PJ, I said he would be worth a look IF he can pass a physical. He could compete for a backup spot at OT where the Giants are thin at the moment. I also did not say anywhere that he would solve the offensive line issues. There are 90 roster spots I just think it is wise to take chances on players like this. Now if he is only 250 Lbs then that changes things.
I was a big fan of his coming out  
bigblue12 : 5/12/2018 11:56 am : link
Will be interesting to see if he catches on with another team
2nd on the waiver wire!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/12/2018 12:04 pm : link
Use it!
RE: It speaks volumes to me.  
Chocco : 5/12/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13961703 robbieballs2003 said:
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They have no LT that isn't a question mark. Wynn is basically their only LT now and some feel he'd make a better guard in the NFL.


I see your point, but they have some options at Tackle besides Garcia.
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he has medical issues  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/12/2018 1:15 pm : link
and a year off the field as a rookie
if the Giants need the roster spots  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/12/2018 1:16 pm : link
why take a high risk chance on this guy?
RE: if the Giants need the roster spots  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13961796 gidiefor said:
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why take a high risk chance on this guy?

Because he has talent. There are 90 roster spots the Giants currently have 14 CB's on the roster. They could also replace an OL like Becton.
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gidiefor : Mod : 5/12/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13961799 Jay on the Island said:
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Because he has talent. There are 90 roster spots the Giants currently have 14 CB's on the roster. They could also replace an OL like Becton.


Jay - Perkins had talent too -- but can't get on the field -- hence he lost his roster spot -- right now the Giants want players they can put on the field and compete

Unless the Pats goofed -- which is highly unlikely -- there's zero advantage to picking up a player with chronic medical issues right now.
I just don't see the issue  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 1:50 pm : link
with using one out of the 90 roster spots on a player with injury concerns but with talent at a premium position. If he fails a physical then let him go. If he struggles mightily then let him go.
RE: if the Giants need the roster spots  
Chris in Philly : 5/12/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13961796 gidiefor said:
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why take a high risk chance on this guy?


Because his upside is markedly higher than the 11th WR on the roster?
RE: RE: RE: if the Giants need the roster spots  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13961806 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13961799 Jay on the Island said:


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Because he has talent. There are 90 roster spots the Giants currently have 14 CB's on the roster. They could also replace an OL like Becton.



Jay - Perkins had talent too -- but can't get on the field -- hence he lost his roster spot -- right now the Giants want players they can put on the field and compete

Unless the Pats goofed -- which is highly unlikely -- there's zero advantage to picking up a player with chronic medical issues right now.

Is a blood clot a chronic medical issue? I know the Giants are taking a different approach but Chad Wheeler had several injury issues and off the field concerns and so far he looks like a great pickup.
Patriots are hurting along the OL  
AnnapolisMike : 5/12/2018 2:03 pm : link
and they let this guy go. Hmmmmmmm

blood clots are indicators of a chronic issue  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/12/2018 2:04 pm : link
.. they can be controlled -- but usually that means blood thinners -- which create impact issues. Football is a violent game -- and OT is a violent position -- making that individual more of a high risk
RE: blood clots are indicators of a chronic issue  
Chocco : 5/12/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13961814 gidiefor said:
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.. they can be controlled -- but usually that means blood thinners -- which create impact issues. Football is a violent game -- and OT is a violent position -- making that individual more of a high risk


Could be an indicator. Clots can happen for numerous reasons and not all are chronoc conditions. You would have to find out more about why he had a blood clot, look into family history etc. , Stuff you would do at a physical.
RE: Patriots are hurting along the OL  
BigBlue4You09 : 5/12/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13961813 AnnapolisMike said:
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and they let this guy go. Hmmmmmmm



Exactly. Pass
Don't kick the tire on this one  
Geomon : 5/12/2018 2:37 pm : link
RE: Patriots are hurting along the OL  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13961813 AnnapolisMike said:
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and they let this guy go. Hmmmmmmm

They aren't exactly hurting. They have Wynn replacing Solder at LT but the rest of the line is the same as last year. They added Trent Brown to start at RT moving Marcus Cannon in a reserve role providing great depth. They also re-signed OT LaAdrian Waddle so they have some nice depth there.
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Jay on the Island : 5/12/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13961850 BigBlue4You09 said:
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and they let this guy go. Hmmmmmmm





Exactly. Pass

The Browns had a terrible OL when they made no effort to re-sign Shaun O'Hara, the Raiders waived Kevin Boothe when their line sucked, etc.
RE: blood clots are indicators of a chronic issue  
AcidTest : 5/12/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13961814 gidiefor said:
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.. they can be controlled -- but usually that means blood thinners -- which create impact issues. Football is a violent game -- and OT is a violent position -- making that individual more of a high risk


^This. You can't play football on blood thinners.
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Chris in Philly : 5/12/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13961814 gidiefor said:
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.. they can be controlled -- but usually that means blood thinners -- which create impact issues. Football is a violent game -- and OT is a violent position -- making that individual more of a high risk


If you are assuming facts not in evidence. We have no idea if itís chronic. I had blood clots and while I took thinners, I was off of them in 8 months. And now Iím a lean, mean fighting machine!
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Larry in Pencilvania : 5/12/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13961911 Chris in Philly said:
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And now Iím a lean, mean fighting machine!


COUGH! COUGH! COUGH!
RE: 2nd on the waiver wire!  
rich in DC : 5/12/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13961758 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Use it!


THIS is the correct answer.

If the issue is the blood clots and subsequent weight loss, but the Giants scouting reports pre-clots had him with a draftable grade (which is likely considering his 3rd round history), you grab him to be one of the lower end 90 guys.

When camp opens, if he is still on blood thinners and/or still needs to gain back weight, you put him on IR for the year and let him get better.

While on IR, he can't practice, but he would get good medical care and nutrition. The, when 2019 rolls around, assuming the health issue is resolved, he would be the equivalent of a late round draft pick on a team that needs more depth on the OL.
RE: IIRC  
Milton : 5/12/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13961726 old man said:
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it seemed he translated better as a OG than OT.
He was always a pure OLT prospect as far as I recall, no need to move him to OG.

I'm no doctor, so I don't know if the Patriots cut him because they determined his medical issues were not manageable or because subsequent additions at OLT made him expendable despite the 3rd round investment. Belichick doesn't seem to have the same patience with talent in need of nurturing that Accorsi and Gettleman preach.

It'll be interesting to see if either the Browns or Giants pluck him off the waiver wire. Both have question marks at the tackle position.

p.s.--Not sure how it works, but did Garcia lose an accrued season because he spent last year on NFI?

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In 2018, Garciaís split salary figure would have been $363,000 if he were put on the NFI list, making his salary cap figure $586,538 ó just $3,076 less than the $589,614 total dead money cap figure that was generated by his release on Friday.

Had the Patriots saw a shred of potential in a player they drafted at a premium position to possibly be their starter of the future, they could have easily absorbed his meager 2018 split salary and workout bonus. A year from now, if after further evaluation they were unhappy with his progress, or if a player like Wynn or Brown managed to cement themselves in 2018 as the future incumbent starter, the team could simply release Garcia and accrue just $393,076 in dead money on next seasonís books.
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Mdgiantsfan : 5/12/2018 7:11 pm : link
No love for JR passing him up last year?:)

Seriously, hope whatever is the reason behind the NFI designation is not serious and that he has an opportunity to pursue his dream.
The Pats are in a funny place.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/12/2018 7:55 pm : link
I think Little Bill sees the current dynasty winding down, and is getting ready to rebuild. At the same time, Tom Brady is still there, and they want to win while he's still the QB.

I don't think Garcia fits either priority.

He can't play now, so he doesn't help them in the Tom Brady window. He may not ever be able to play, so he's not an asset for the rebuild. It's not like drafting a basketball player with no football experience and putting him on the practice squad for a year. Or a guy from one of the service academies who has a years-long commitment and then is free to play football.

But I don't think any NFL team is much different. I doubt any team will carry him until they are convinced that his medical condition is controlled and manageable. If teams know that after some short period of time he will be able to, well, be a pro football player, then I think he'll get a shot. That may never happen.
The Pats are a smart Org.  
prdave73 : 5/13/2018 3:18 am : link
They don't mess around. BB is brilliant, the way they handled the draft, they might have out smarted the league again. They really focused on the offense because imo that is where there strength lies. That is their bread and butter and they know it. They lost a LT and RB Lewis, and they go right into the draft and fill those exact needs. I could be wrong but imo they took the 2nd best Olinemen after Nelson. I had Will after him. Wynn might be the best pass blocking T/G after Nelson. Then they took Sony Michel who I think is a better overall RB then Lewis. If they both pan out, the Pats might be stronger then they where last year offensively.
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