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NFT: Yankees vs Athletics . Saturday, Domingo German killing it

DennyInDenville : 5/12/2018 1:24 pm
Didn't see a thread

German off to a great stArt. Sevy lite? Legit 2/3 starter? Wow .

Let's see.

Now you see, we might have a great pitcher in German
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RE: RE: mmm  
BleedBlue : 5/12/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13962048 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13962042 BleedBlue said:


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as i mentioned earlier! Walker comes up in big spots!



Yea, youre the only one who pointed that out.

You are really the worst.


dude i wasnt looking for credit, i was simply stating i said it earlier. thought it was funny that my comment come true.

jesus, do you have to be a douchebag all the time? you must be real popular at home
I thought Walker would be gone by the All Star break  
arniefez : 5/12/2018 5:29 pm : link
but after reading the reports about Drury he might be an important player all year.
Chopperhatch  
Jay in Toronto : 5/12/2018 5:36 pm : link
Please do us a favor.

Diss each of our pitchers.

(Don't forget Kahnle and Warren and Montgomery.

;)

Drury hit a GS last night  
xman : 5/12/2018 5:39 pm : link
and I think a double too
Shout out to AJ Cole  
dune69 : 5/12/2018 5:51 pm : link
I was ready to DFA after the first two batters.

Also, Sanchez made an incredible catch on a ball bounced in the dirt by Chapman with the bases loaded. Not sure how he did it saved the game. That pitch was screaming and Sanchez reaction was unbelievable.
Chapman only reaching  
section125 : 5/12/2018 5:55 pm : link
96/97 is still cause for concern.
Boone said in the postgame  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/12/2018 6:05 pm : link
that Chapman had a fingernail issue.
RE: Chopperhatch  
chopperhatch : 5/12/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13962062 Jay in Toronto said:
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Please do us a favor.

Diss each of our pitchers.

(Don't forget Kahnle and Warren and Montgomery.

;)


Hahahahahaha....right? Weird how a switch just seemed to turn on for him. Was throwing tailing fastballs and shitty spinners. Then all of a sudden hes dotting 94 and snapping off 84 mph sliders located perfectly. I was fairly impressed.

To be fair I corrected myself immediately when he started turning it on. But when they flashed his 11 ERA and then threw what? 6 straight balls? Combined with his previous outing I was like 'fuck this guy.'
Aaron John Bah Boone  
xman : 5/12/2018 6:15 pm : link
pulled a rabbit out of the hat today
xman  
arniefez : 5/12/2018 6:33 pm : link
no double but yes a GS. He's 3 for his last 14 with 9 K's after the GS. He tried yellow tinted glasses last night to help him in night games and said they did help. He's still got trouble with blurring especially under the lights. He played the field in both games yesterday so thats a good sign I guess. Doesn't sound good that he still has blurred vision at this point though. His rehab ends Tuesday. My guess is that they'll shut him down for a week and start the 20 day rehab clock again after that.
Anyone who tries to make a case that baseball managers  
arniefez : 5/12/2018 6:35 pm : link
matter should be shown Aaron Boone as exhibit A that anyone who the players don't hate can do it.
RE: Anyone who tries to make a case that baseball managers  
BigBlueShock : 5/12/2018 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13962096 arniefez said:
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matter should be shown Aaron Boone as exhibit A that anyone who the players don't hate can do it.

Wtf? Will you go away? Unbelievable...
I love it  
BigBlueShock : 5/12/2018 6:46 pm : link
Boone has been absolutely hammered by mouthbreaters like arniefez that don’t actually watch the games all year. Every single time something isn’t going good, Boone is an idiot! But when they win (I don’t have to tell you that they have the best record in all of baseball) “ah, anybody can do that job!”. Fucking assclowns. And yes, I realize that arniefez is one of the very worst posters on BBI, so probably just best to ignore him. But I like reminding people of how stupid they are anyways
There is an audience that might prefer a 'poor poster'  
xman : 5/12/2018 7:04 pm : link
who denigrates a player or manager rather then a poster that bullies or insults a fellow poster. I appreciate comments 'right or wrong'. But I find it troubling when insults are thrown at fellow posters. But hey that is only my prejudice. Carry on
RE: Aaron John Bah Boone  
mfsd : 5/12/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13962081 xman said:
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pulled a rabbit out of the hat today


Many others have said this before, but managers are a lot smarter or a lot dumber depending on how well their pitchers pitch. Boone looked good today, in no small way bc Green and Betances were sharp, Chapman pulled off his magic escape with Gardy’s help, and some new guy pitched 2 scoreless in extras
RE: There is an audience that might prefer a 'poor poster'  
BigBlueShock : 5/12/2018 7:13 pm : link
In comment 13962115 xman said:
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who denigrates a player or manager rather then a poster that bullies or insults a fellow poster. I appreciate comments 'right or wrong'. But I find it troubling when insults are thrown at fellow posters. But hey that is only my prejudice. Carry on

Well yeah, of course, because you fall in the “poor poster” category. It’s no surprise you’d like that side better.
RE: RE: There is an audience that might prefer a 'poor poster'  
chopperhatch : 5/12/2018 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13962122 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13962115 xman said:


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who denigrates a player or manager rather then a poster that bullies or insults a fellow poster. I appreciate comments 'right or wrong'. But I find it troubling when insults are thrown at fellow posters. But hey that is only my prejudice. Carry on


Well yeah, of course, because you fall in the “poor poster” category. It’s no surprise you’d like that side better.



Hahahaha.
RE: Chapman only reaching  
Matt M. : 5/12/2018 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13962074 section125 said:
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96/97 is still cause for concern.
It's not a concern in one outing. He hit triple digits just the other night.
No surprise on your rebuttal  
xman : 5/12/2018 7:23 pm : link
put I ask you to rethink your behavior and modus operandi when your passion overtakes your etiquette and you cyber bully posters. Its impolite
RE: RE: Chopperhatch  
Jay in Toronto : 5/12/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13962079 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13962062 Jay in Toronto said:


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Please do us a favor.

Diss each of our pitchers.

(Don't forget Kahnle and Warren and Montgomery.

;)




Hahahahahaha....right? Weird how a switch just seemed to turn on for him. Was throwing tailing fastballs and shitty spinners. Then all of a sudden hes dotting 94 and snapping off 84 mph sliders located perfectly. I was fairly impressed.

To be fair I corrected myself immediately when he started turning it on. But when they flashed his 11 ERA and then threw what? 6 straight balls? Combined with his previous outing I was like 'fuck this guy.'


Yah I saw that. I hope the announcers' point that he hadn't pitched for almost 2 weeks was responsible for his early pitches.
RE: No surprise on your rebuttal  
BigBlueShock : 5/12/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13962127 xman said:
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put I ask you to rethink your behavior and modus operandi when your passion overtakes your etiquette and you cyber bully posters. Its impolite

Be a better poster and you’ll have no worries. I’ve been around here a long time, I used to try to reason with stupid. It didn’t work.

Now, please, become a better poster for the sake of us all. Pretty please? With a cherry on top?

Polite enough?
was out at the game with the kids for bat day  
Stu11 : 5/12/2018 7:43 pm : link
a couple of things:
-The wind definitely started blowing in from left around the 4th or 5th inning, knocked down 2 balls I thought were out- Andujar and Judge.
-we were not in great seats to see balls and strikes but the HP ump seemed to have a tiny strike zone for much of the game no?
- sick job by the pen besides the streaks of wildness in the 9th and 10th, no hits from the 6th inning on
Since you have been doing this a long time I am curious  
xman : 5/12/2018 8:22 pm : link
if you started with this aggressive behavior as a style or did it slowly morph? Doesn't make for a nice atmosphere and certainly you would never do it in person face to face. Somehow the internet encourages this form of expression. I imagine there is some jury involved with your thinking that manages to differentiate good posts from poor ones.

Certainly there here are different qualities of posts. You make some astute points at times but why wash them away with mean spirited comments ? Aren't we on the same side? Yankee fans Giant fans BBi fans?

I once suggested to Eric that the last Friday each Month we should have a shit fest where we can let anything fly. Total ghetto insanity and pandemonium of insults. That way we can all vent.

In the meantime I'll work on my intelligence
Was Boone or Chapman  
mitch300 : 5/12/2018 8:27 pm : link
Asked about his decreased speed today.
Broken finger nail for Chapman  
arniefez : 5/12/2018 8:36 pm : link
seemed to be the issue today. Hopefully.
As far as Boone goes  
arniefez : 5/12/2018 8:39 pm : link
I'll take him over Girardi and his uptight atmosphere. But if any of you think that it takes some kind of special skill to manage a baseball team Aaron Boone is proof you don't. In MLB you just need good players and to get out of the way.
As manager "Just keep the 5 guys that like you  
xman : 5/12/2018 9:02 pm : link
away from the 5 guys undecided." Billy Martin
In other former Yankee news  
terz22 : 5/12/2018 9:09 pm : link
Chase Headley DFA'd. Yikes. Looks like we got rid of him at the right time.
RE: RE: Chapman only reaching  
section125 : 5/12/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13962125 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13962074 section125 said:


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96/97 is still cause for concern.

It's not a concern in one outing. He hit triple digits just the other night.


What happened the other night is irrelevant. It only takes one pitch to hurt a shoulder, elbow, hip, knee.. a 5 or 6 mph drop is significant - ask Tommy Kahnle.

I suppose the finger nail was the problem. But 101 to 96 is disconcerting. Bad grip or painful.
RE: As far as Boone goes  
section125 : 5/12/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13962159 arniefez said:
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I'll take him over Girardi and his uptight atmosphere. But if any of you think that it takes some kind of special skill to manage a baseball team Aaron Boone is proof you don't. In MLB you just need good players and to get out of the way.


Well if it takes no special skill to be a MLB manager, you'd be hired tomorrow.

Girardi knows a lot more about baseball than Boone will likely ever know, but Boone seems to be learning quickly.
Isn't Boone 3rd generation baseball player?  
xman : 5/12/2018 10:08 pm : link
If so that's a lot of baseball right there. Imagine breakfast lunch and dinner the talk about the nuances to the game. So I don't know if Girardi has forgotten more baseball knowledge then Boone knows is appropriate thinking.

As to Boone being a quick learner I hope so . Is it because he learned not to use Buckle up its Betances for two innings?
RE: Isn't Boone 3rd generation baseball player?  
dpinzow : 5/12/2018 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13962177 xman said:
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If so that's a lot of baseball right there. Imagine breakfast lunch and dinner the talk about the nuances to the game. So I don't know if Girardi has forgotten more baseball knowledge then Boone knows is appropriate thinking.

As to Boone being a quick learner I hope so . Is it because he learned not to use Buckle up its Betances for two innings?


Yes...

Ray Boone (grandfather)
Bob Boone (father)
Bret Boone (brother)

This idea that Aaron Boone is a character from Idiocracy when it comes to his baseball knowledge just isn't true...he's not Girardi but very knowledgable in the game in his own way
I'll take Boone over Girardi any day  
arniefez : 5/12/2018 10:22 pm : link
Of course he's played and been around baseball his whole life. But anyone else from ESPN could manage this Yankee team too. Baseball manager in 2018 is not a difficult job. You either have the players or you don't.
Love the assinine comments evaluating baseball managers  
Stu11 : 5/12/2018 10:28 pm : link
when you have absolutely no idea what is going on behind the scenes which is most of the job...
Managers are like wives  
xman : 5/12/2018 11:06 pm : link
you love them at first and years later its a divorce.

I'd take a great player aka Willie Mays over a great manager aka Joe McCarthy. But these opinions are always debatable.
RE: Since you have been doing this a long time I am curious  
Ryan in Albany : 5/13/2018 5:49 am : link
In comment 13962154 xman said:
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if you started with this aggressive behavior as a style or did it slowly morph? Doesn't make for a nice atmosphere and certainly you would never do it in person face to face. Somehow the internet encourages this form of expression. I imagine there is some jury involved with your thinking that manages to differentiate good posts from poor ones.

Certainly there here are different qualities of posts. You make some astute points at times but why wash them away with mean spirited comments ? Aren't we on the same side? Yankee fans Giant fans BBi fans?

I once suggested to Eric that the last Friday each Month we should have a shit fest where we can let anything fly. Total ghetto insanity and pandemonium of insults. That way we can all vent.

In the meantime I'll work on my intelligence


When you make uninformed and ignorant comments such as the one you made about Justus Sheffield, you deserve everything you get.
Lots of crap in this thread. How would anyone here know how  
yatqb : 5/13/2018 7:21 am : link
much baseball Boone knows? Third generation pro, and someone the Yankee front office was willing to hire despite his not managing before. This is not something a successful organization with high expectations and deep pockets does unless they are absolutely convinced about the guy's talent/competence.

But some here are sure that Girardi knows so much more than Boone will ever know. Well, how the fuck do YOU know that?

I liked Girardi as a manager, and was shocked that Cash picked Boone to manage this young club. But I don't presume to know at this juncture whether or not it was a wise choice. I do know that the team has lost only 3 games in the last month or so, against the best teams in the AL, so I'm gonna lean toward the proposition that Boone is doing a fine job, as opposed to being a non-factor in this success, as arnie's post seems to suggest.
Ryan if I made ill informed comments on Sheffield  
xman : 5/13/2018 8:33 am : link
isn't it possible to comment that you see it differently rather then calling someone ignorant. You would never do that to a person when talking to them so why is it ok to do it on this group site.

My comments mentioned that Sheffield is on the smallish side. He is 5 11 but stocky so at least he might have some strength behind that arm. He has had more then this present injury in his minor league career. Wasn't he injured in this years fall league ? Hit by a fluke come backer? I believe he also had a minor injury the year befor in the minors. My point was I would prefer a bigger framed pitcher. Who wouldn't a la Randy Johnson. Notice Severino Verlander CC et al.I fear guys that are smaller like Gray have skills that seem to diminish quicker because of the physical demands of the game

More troubling is that posters can't seem to follow the basic rules that Eric set out to not insult fellow posters. Is that such a hard rule to follow? It takes a bit of disipline to hold back when you get frustrated with an opinion but I think it is the better way to go. Instead of calling a poster ignorant for something you perceive to be in error why not respond why you feel his facts or views are incorrect? How does it help by attacking a fellow BBi member ?

I am amazed at the level of ugly over a sports site and the obliviousness to manners. Its likely only a handful of posters but one rotten apple can spoil the barrel and put a vice on the free exchange of idea. Would you prefer to have a clique of 6?
RE: Ryan if I made ill informed comments on Sheffield  
Jim in Tampa : 5/13/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13962278 xman said:
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isn't it possible to comment that you see it differently rather then calling someone ignorant. You would never do that to a person when talking to them so why is it ok to do it on this group site.

My comments mentioned that Sheffield is on the smallish side. He is 5 11 but stocky so at least he might have some strength behind that arm. He has had more then this present injury in his minor league career. Wasn't he injured in this years fall league ? Hit by a fluke come backer? I believe he also had a minor injury the year befor in the minors. My point was I would prefer a bigger framed pitcher. Who wouldn't a la Randy Johnson. Notice Severino Verlander CC et al.I fear guys that are smaller like Gray have skills that seem to diminish quicker because of the physical demands of the game

More troubling is that posters can't seem to follow the basic rules that Eric set out to not insult fellow posters. Is that such a hard rule to follow? It takes a bit of disipline to hold back when you get frustrated with an opinion but I think it is the better way to go. Instead of calling a poster ignorant for something you perceive to be in error why not respond why you feel his facts or views are incorrect? How does it help by attacking a fellow BBi member ?

I am amazed at the level of ugly over a sports site and the obliviousness to manners. Its likely only a handful of posters but one rotten apple can spoil the barrel and put a vice on the free exchange of idea. Would you prefer to have a clique of 6?


Agree 100%. But you've been here long enough to know that it's not going to change.
yatqb  
arniefez : 5/13/2018 1:08 pm : link
quick question. If Mattingly and Boone swapped teams do you think the teams records would be different? Of course there's no way to tell but obviously my opinion is that they'd the exact same they are now. That's my point. I don't think managers matter at all unless the players hate them like Bobby Valentine in Boston or Matt Williams in Washington then it can be a problem.
I don't agree, arnie. Talent goes a long way, but leadership and  
yatqb : 5/13/2018 1:16 pm : link
decision-making can make a big difference, imo. I've always thought that Joe Maddon was worth about 4-5 games a year when he managed in the AL. That's as much of a difference as many good players.
RE: Ryan if I made ill informed comments on Sheffield  
Ryan in Albany : 5/13/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13962278 xman said:
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isn't it possible to comment that you see it differently rather then calling someone ignorant. You would never do that to a person when talking to them so why is it ok to do it on this group site.

My comments mentioned that Sheffield is on the smallish side. He is 5 11 but stocky so at least he might have some strength behind that arm. He has had more then this present injury in his minor league career. Wasn't he injured in this years fall league ? Hit by a fluke come backer? I believe he also had a minor injury the year befor in the minors. My point was I would prefer a bigger framed pitcher. Who wouldn't a la Randy Johnson. Notice Severino Verlander CC et al.I fear guys that are smaller like Gray have skills that seem to diminish quicker because of the physical demands of the game

More troubling is that posters can't seem to follow the basic rules that Eric set out to not insult fellow posters. Is that such a hard rule to follow? It takes a bit of disipline to hold back when you get frustrated with an opinion but I think it is the better way to go. Instead of calling a poster ignorant for something you perceive to be in error why not respond why you feel his facts or views are incorrect? How does it help by attacking a fellow BBi member ?

I am amazed at the level of ugly over a sports site and the obliviousness to manners. Its likely only a handful of posters but one rotten apple can spoil the barrel and put a vice on the free exchange of idea. Would you prefer to have a clique of 6?


He has had no major injuries. Oblique and what is going on with his shoulder now. Hopefully that's all it is.

And yes, I would say what I said to you here to your face as well. If you think that was an insult, well, I don't know what to tell you.
RE: yatqb  
section125 : 5/13/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13962387 arniefez said:
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quick question. If Mattingly and Boone swapped teams do you think the teams records would be different? Of course there's no way to tell but obviously my opinion is that they'd the exact same they are now. That's my point. I don't think managers matter at all unless the players hate them like Bobby Valentine in Boston or Matt Williams in Washington then it can be a problem.


I think if Mattingly was manager, the record would be better. I'm not sure Boone did a good job getting the team ready through Spring Training. Thought he did not play the starters enough. But that is just my observation.

If managers don't matter, why did Girardi get let go? Why did toheCubs go after Joe Maddon? Why was Terry Collins fired. Why did the Indians hire Tito Francona's and why did to Sox tank when he left?

Yes talent makes managers look brilliant or like dolts. I always felt Joe Torre was overrated and actually a detriment later (say 2003 until let go.) And I think to some extent you are right that a loaded team could play themselves. But some teams need to be "managed."

Does Boone know baseball? Yeah, it has been his family's life. But as a catcher and a later as a coach and manager for longer than Boone was a big leaguer, Girardi knows the intricacies of baseball more thoroughly. Catchers have always been field managers and you see an exorbitant number that become managers. Thay handle pitchers and set the defense.

I have to admit Boone has been better than I thought and you can see him picking things up. He makes a mistake and learns. He is very patient (see Gardner, Walker, Stanton) which I'm not sure Girardi would be.
Joe Maddon  
arniefez : 5/13/2018 1:39 pm : link
did everything humanly possible to lose the world series two years. No matter how hard he tried his players still won it. But I agree that Maddon was a difference maker when he took over in Tampa. Buck was a difference maker when he took over in Baltimore. I agree there's something that's hard to define about setting a tone .I'm not sure it lasts long and over the grind of 162 games it's just the players that matter for me. But the word was that Girardi was fired because Cashman convinced Hall that his uptight personality was a negative in the dugout in close games. I grew up on Earl Weaver and Billy Martin and they were certainly difference makers but they were still pretty much useless without really good players.
I get your point about managers but I don't think its 100%  
xman : 5/13/2018 1:41 pm : link
Take Torre. Had a terrible record as manager in the NL but had poor teams . Comes to the Yanks and becomes the second coming of Joe McCarthy when given loads of high priced talent. Maybe great players have a way of making managers look great

We could look at basketball and Phil Jackson. He was like a God in LA. Comes to NY where he had a dearth of talent. Exposed as mortal

Take the miracle on ice; USA hockey Olympics team in the 80's. How did the Americans win that metal? Did our Coaching kill it?

Managers light a fire. In the older days they could light a fire under some asses and get the ball rolling.Billy Martin???

Harder to find a Willie Mays then a manager. Not really sure if there are that many special managers but there are some hideous ones. I suppose you just get one that doesn't rock the boat and focus on acquiring talent. Because talent wins more then managers

Actually in my opinion  
arniefez : 5/13/2018 2:29 pm : link
Torre performed a great service for the Yankees from 1996-2001. He wasn't intimidated by George and he kept him as under control as possible during those times. That was a big deal in a special case. But Torre is the perfect example of mangers being "pretty much" meaningless. He finished first once his first 15 years and then finished first 10 out of 11 years. It's not like a light switch went on. He got to mange a great team that Stick & Buck put together for him.

"Pretty much". There are plenty of relief pitchers who could tell you how he ended their careers 3 or 4 years early by abusing them. Plus he should have been fired for what happened in 2004 a lot of which happened because of the way he abused relief pitchers. Having said all of that it was still the players that really lost those games.
The more time goes on , the more I understand letting Girardi go  
DennyInDenville : 5/13/2018 2:33 pm : link
I was Girardis biggest fan and thought letting him go was a mistake..

But no denying Joe was wound pretty tight, seemed as if he was burning out a bit and just needed some rest

Boone is very relaxed and so far has done a good job.

Only aspects of the game so far Boone < Joe is the bullpen management so far, but not like it's been bad , Joe was just elite at that aspect

The radar shows the rain moving out  
dpinzow : 5/13/2018 2:59 pm : link
I think we play baseball today, around 3:30 or 4 PM
And just as I posted that  
dpinzow : 5/13/2018 3:00 pm : link
they are taking the tarp off the field and expected start time is 3:45
We all agree that no one can with with crap players. And that  
yatqb : 5/13/2018 4:35 pm : link
having a great team sure makes it easier to win. But as others have said, those inside the team's culture know how one manager can inspire and another suck the air out of a team, how one manager's decisions seem to pay off more regularly than is typical, and others are at best puzzling and at worst seem brain-dead. C'mon, just like in any other arena, talent (in this case in a manager) pays off.
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