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Found it interesting that D-lineman B.J. Hill (third-round pick) hadn't heard or spoken to any defensive veterans yet. Leadership was a problem last year on that defense. #Giants
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Youre reaching Jordan. Keep it up though...just stay away from me
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Youre an idiot.
Bullshit...good for Snacks, gimme a break.
Snacks seems like a leader by the way he plays....not a vocal leader.....hopefully, olgetree can fill in the role of a vocal leader
Last year Harrison was a vocal participant in the offseason program who said he was there not because he needed the work, but to set an example for the younger players as a leader. Why such a change of heart from him? I have no idea.
shut up
Are you really this stupid?
Hes not quite there yet. Leonard is bottom of the barrel
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Bruh I know you already know this and weve talk about it but keep doing what you do and dont let ppl that have no clue about how you move in that locker room waste your time
Eli is senior spokesman....DeOssie on special teams.....but Collins is closest person on Defense.....hopefully Olgetree can become a leader.
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Im a grown ass man my guy dont question me you and whoever else feels the need to. I have a family and business I take care of. I asked for his number after the draft and didnt get it until today. Yall MFs brave.
I mean, it's public information where he was. You really have no idea?
Maybe they havent had a chance to run down his number?
What does not reaching out to a rookie within the first few weeks of his being on the team have to do with leadership?
If someone from the defense HAD reached out, would that have been interesting? If so, why?
Stop caring about tweets and press conferences, its a waste of time.
So to say that he may have a legitimate reason is fair, but to try to speculate on what it is or say that having a child is a legitimate reason (whether it's a newborn or a ten-year old that may be dealing with a serious issue requiring parental attention) is just throwing spaghetti against the wall and hardly "explains a lot." If you're gonna take that approach, why bother questioning any of the players on anything, you never know what's going on in their personal life.
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That would explain a lot.
It explains nothing. Not saying it isn't the reason, but if we're going to speculate there could be a million different reasons that we are clueless about. It's not like Snacks is the only one on the 90 man roster that has children. Or the only one that has any kind of personal issue that we are either aware of or not aware of.
So to say that he may have a legitimate reason is fair, but to try to speculate on what it is or say that having a child is a legitimate reason (whether it's a newborn or a ten-year old that may be dealing with a serious issue requiring parental attention) is just throwing spaghetti against the wall and hardly "explains a lot." If you're gonna take that approach, why bother questioning any of the players on anything, you never know what's going on in their personal life.
Harrison said he just got his number TODAY. Jesus Christ. Get over it.
Hadnt see you post in a week or two. Here you are again bringing the awful with every post.
Some guys lead some guys play at an elite level.
Fans can whine, cry, scream or moan about needing leaders, but they appear out of nowhere. We and the press do not have a clue as to who the leaders are. But I can guarantee a handful will be "selected" but when it happens is up to the players.
Second fact: Raanan IS a hack.
Second fact: Raanan IS a hack.
Its fucking rookie mini camp. The guy got here what? Two days ago?
Holy shut. Jordan jumped the gun and some of you are disingenuous with your expectations of these players.
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If true, someone from D should have reached out, and, it seems it needs an official leader.
Second fact: Raanan IS a hack.
Its fucking rookie mini camp. The guy got here what? Two days ago?
Holy shut. Jordan jumped the gun and some of you are disingenuous with your expectations of these players.
Dont know why "disingenuous" went in there. Total typing fail. Should read:
"Some of you are not being fair with your expectations of these players."
I dont think anybody is arguing that. I think people are arguing that it is an overreaction by Jordan to point out that a rookie hadnt heard from any vets when hes been up here for less than 48 hours.
Harrison was not one of those players.
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absolutely was a problem last year. Multiple guys quit, and that is a reflection of leadership on the team and more specifically the defense, and it certainly wasnt all McAdoo. I didnt see many guys on offense quit, but there were more than a few on defense who should be embarrassed that they collected a paycheck for their effort some weeks
I dont think anybody is arguing that. I think people are arguing that it is an overreaction by Jordan to point out that a rookie hadnt heard from any vets when hes been up here for less than 48 hours.
Sure it's an overreaction. But Snacks looks like a fool getting caught up in any of it. And his "threats" are quite hilarious and pathetic at the same time. He is a hell of a player and always plays hard, but he should stop giving a shit what the media says. They have a job to do and unfortunately part of that seems to be shit stirring, the way Snacks acts you would think the media is attacking his family sometimes, it's quite sad.
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absolutely was a problem last year. Multiple guys quit, and that is a reflection of leadership on the team and more specifically the defense, and it certainly wasnt all McAdoo. I didnt see many guys on offense quit, but there were more than a few on defense who should be embarrassed that they collected a paycheck for their effort some weeks
I dont think anybody is arguing that. I think people are arguing that it is an overreaction by Jordan to point out that a rookie hadnt heard from any vets when hes been up here for less than 48 hours.
Actually, it has been over 2 weeks.
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absolutely was a problem last year. Multiple guys quit, and that is a reflection of leadership on the team and more specifically the defense, and it certainly wasnt all McAdoo. I didnt see many guys on offense quit, but there were more than a few on defense who should be embarrassed that they collected a paycheck for their effort some weeks
Harrison was not one of those players.
Never said he was, but it reflects poorly on the leadership of the team when many players quit. He's supposed to be a leader of this team and when a lot of guys quit it reflects poorly on him as a leader and all of the other "leaders" of the team
Yeah, Ill bet youd love some little weasel loud mouth from outside your office running his mouth publicly about what a shit job youve done of leadersip too, huh? You think Snacks quit? Since hes the topic of the post, lets focus on him. You can all sit on your little couches eating cheese puffs and drinking whatever shit beer you think is awesome and accuse people of quitting all you want. Its whats great about the internet. No repercussions. But Jordan has to try to go in to that lockeroom at some point and questioning a mans heart is a good way to get his ass kicked when he does. Im surprised he hasnt already to be honest
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absolutely was a problem last year. Multiple guys quit, and that is a reflection of leadership on the team and more specifically the defense, and it certainly wasnt all McAdoo. I didnt see many guys on offense quit, but there were more than a few on defense who should be embarrassed that they collected a paycheck for their effort some weeks
Harrison was not one of those players.
Never said he was, but it reflects poorly on the leadership of the team when many players quit. He's supposed to be a leader of this team and when a lot of guys quit it reflects poorly on him as a leader and all of the other "leaders" of the team
Snacks has already said that he didn't want to be a captain last year because he knew it was going to be a bad year. If anything, he is the opposite of a leader. He gets mad when people say we didn't have leadership but he, himself, stated that he really isn't a leader so what is the problem? If he takes offense to it then he should do something about it other than going after people in the media. Not everybody is a leader and that is fine but you cannot have it both ways.
He seems to care a lot about what others on the outside think when those people don't matter, but doesn't seem to care enough to be a true leader on this team, even saying before that he is not a leader.
If this team had strong leadership on defense, you would not have seen guys quit the way they did last year. Harrison is a good player but I would not consider him a leader by any stretch. Instead of worrying about what people are saying about him and the leadership on the team on twitter, he should be worried about how many guys he's playing with that quit last year and would be better served to call those guys out on twitter rather than calling out guys like Raanan and Banks.
I dont like Raanan by any stretch, but Harrison looks like a fool every time he gets butt hurt on twitter over what the media says. Don't even get me started on the top 100 thing
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absolutely was a problem last year. Multiple guys quit, and that is a reflection of leadership on the team and more specifically the defense, and it certainly wasnt all McAdoo. I didnt see many guys on offense quit, but there were more than a few on defense who should be embarrassed that they collected a paycheck for their effort some weeks
Yeah, Ill bet youd love some little weasel loud mouth from outside your office running his mouth publicly about what a shit job youve done of leadersip too, huh? You think Snacks quit? Since hes the topic of the post, lets focus on him. You can all sit on your little couches eating cheese puffs and drinking whatever shit beer you think is awesome and accuse people of quitting all you want. Its whats great about the internet. No repercussions. But Jordan has to try to go in to that lockeroom at some point and questioning a mans heart is a good way to get his ass kicked when he does. Im surprised he hasnt already to be honest
Flowers already swiped him, no?
FFS man. The things a bad season will do to fans brains.
FFS man. The things a bad season will do to fans brains.
In the exchange with Banks he said he didn't do anything and told Banks to do it.
Play nasty my friends.
They will meet and greet when training camp starts .... What is Raanan talking about?
Now, social medias changed that landscape...but I still think Snacks is better off ignoring it and letting these guys invent their BS drama during the dead of the offseason
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So now, Snacks should call out his quitting teammates on Twitter? Wtf am I reading here? How do you know he hasnt called them out in the lockerroom? Where it should be done? He responds to a freaking shit stirring squirrel starting shit, and now he should go public with his teammates?
FFS man. The things a bad season will do to fans brains.
In the exchange with Banks he said he didn't do anything and told Banks to do it.
That may or not be true. Im not talking about the exchange with Banks, but why would Snacks air the teams dirty laundry to Banks? I mean, arent we always saying that players or coaches should keep it in the locker room? Why would a player tell the media yeah, I gave those guys hell today!?
Im sorry, I just absolutely despise the NY media. They go out of their way to make life miserable for anyone that doesnt bow to them. Maybe thats influencing my thinking on this but Jordan has always gone out of his way to create a story and create drama. Hes a freakin drama queen that feels like he has the right to say anything he wants with no fear of repercussions. It drives me crazy
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So now, Snacks should call out his quitting teammates on Twitter? Wtf am I reading here? How do you know he hasnt called them out in the lockerroom? Where it should be done? He responds to a freaking shit stirring squirrel starting shit, and now he should go public with his teammates?
FFS man. The things a bad season will do to fans brains.
In the exchange with Banks he said he didn't do anything and told Banks to do it.
That may or not be true. Im not talking about the exchange with Banks, but why would Snacks air the teams dirty laundry to Banks? I mean, arent we always saying that players or coaches should keep it in the locker room? Why would a player tell the media yeah, I gave those guys hell today!?
Im sorry, I just absolutely despise the NY media. They go out of their way to make life miserable for anyone that doesnt bow to them. Maybe thats influencing my thinking on this but Jordan has always gone out of his way to create a story and create drama. Hes a freakin drama queen that feels like he has the right to say anything he wants with no fear of repercussions. It drives me crazy
Listen, I agree. I despise our media for the most part as well. But just because we both feel that way doesn't justify what certain players do. Maybe Snacks did keep stuff inhouse but everything that Snacks has said isn't helping. Calling out Banks publicly but him saying he isn't calling out his own players doesn't help. Going on a radio show and saying you didn't want to be a captain because he knew guys were only there for the paycheck doesn't help and a horrible excuse. Now, going after Ranaan when Ranaan said we lacked leadership doesn't help. And I dont understand why people are saying Snacks only had 48 hours. He had over 2 weeks since Hill was drafted. Now, he doesn't have to call. That is his choice. Nobody said he had to. But when he calls out Ranaan saying he asked for his number and only got it today sounds like bullshit. Eli has gotten numbers instantly. We know Beckham has called people up. We hear this all the time. So, to say he asked for a number and onoy got it today sounds like what my students tell their parents when they have an assignment due. Attacking the media with weak examples just makes him look foolish. If he actually called him that would be a better answer. Or, just leave it alone and do your job and stop letting outside influences affect you. If it was a problem then maybe Snacks should have put more effort in. If it is not a problem then why take offense to that comment? It is like trolls here. Posting on their threads or commenting on their comments just gives them what they want.
So, I dont really see anybody justifying what Ranaan tweeted but rather how Snacks is feeding it.
Plus didnt he just like as recently as last week just finish college? So that and being a new father would take up pretty much all his time
I learn something new on BBI everyday.,.
And the issue I have is Jordan didnt just leave it at nobody called. He just HAD to throw in the leadership issues from last year. That is absolutely trying to rile people up. Perhaps Snacks should ignore it. But Jordan deserves everything he gets for out of the blue comments like tha, that serve no purpose than to see who he can piss off. Hes a little weasel.
Does anyone care?
I dont care if they have or if they havent. Nice if they have... big deal if they havent. So exactly whats making this information interesting? If Snack was seen blowing B.J. off on the field... THAT would be interesting. If Goodson is seen telling Carter to figure out how to be a pro on his own... THAT would be interesting and show (perhaps) a lack of leadership. Sorry but I hardly see not sending a guy a Welcome to New York! text message or call a sign of a continued lack of leadership.
And the issue I have is Jordan didnt just leave it at nobody called. He just HAD to throw in the leadership issues from last year. That is absolutely trying to rile people up. Perhaps Snacks should ignore it. But Jordan deserves everything he gets for out of the blue comments like tha, that serve no purpose than to see who he can piss off. Hes a little weasel.
Agreed. I am all about facts. Nobody called. Fact. Feel free to report that. After that, that is when these writers try to make a name for themselves. Still, this is the world we live in. Just leave well enough alone. Look at Flowers when he went after one of them (was it Ranaan?). It didn't help Flowers at all and just made him look foolish. As someone posted earlier, you aren't going to win against the media.
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I agree with you. But, I mean, how many third and fourth round picks receive immediate calls from leaders of the team to congratulate them? I honestly dont know. Maybe its every single one of them. Or maybe its most of them. Do we really know the answer to this? Its obviously common for top 5/10 picks since they are out there, in the spot light, but is it really a foregone conclusion that midround draft picks get calls from teammates?
And the issue I have is Jordan didnt just leave it at nobody called. He just HAD to throw in the leadership issues from last year. That is absolutely trying to rile people up. Perhaps Snacks should ignore it. But Jordan deserves everything he gets for out of the blue comments like tha, that serve no purpose than to see who he can piss off. Hes a little weasel.
Agreed. I am all about facts. Nobody called. Fact. Feel free to report that. After that, that is when these writers try to make a name for themselves. Still, this is the world we live in. Just leave well enough alone. Look at Flowers when he went after one of them (was it Ranaan?). It didn't help Flowers at all and just made him look foolish. As someone posted earlier, you aren't going to win against the media.
Tell that to Donald Trump.
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not sending a player a Welcome text is a show of lack of leadership?
I learn something new on BBI everyday.,.
Me too!
What if RJ McIntosh got a text? Did he check with him?
I wonder if Chavis got one? Or are only drafted players due Welcome texts?
Did Jalen Simmons get one from Gallman? What about from Eli? If not, does that mean Eli only plays favorites?
I mean cmon! This is what I think Snacks means by hes reaching. Hes taking a very small action (or perhaps inaction is a better word) and blowing that up as a means of saying the same issues that were prevalent during last year still exist this year. Nevermind the FACT that this is a completely new D from the coordinator... to no JPP... to a almost completely revamped LB corp... to... this defense doesnt even know who the leaders are going to be yet... unlike on offense. Tell me... who besides Collins (who most of BBI wishes would actually talk LESS) has shown any real desire to be THAT guy on D in this new defense?
He has no control of players being brought in and bears no responsibility to lead or coach them up. That job belongs to the GM and coaches and they failed this team last year.
And I kinda like this anyway, love when the media gets called out, wish it happened more.
And I kinda like this anyway, love when the media gets called out, wish it happened more.
Exactly. Everyone says you cant win against the media, which is probably true, but the problem is the media knows this and act accordingly.
Oh, theres no way he can win against me! Im in the media! I can say whatever I want!.
Eli is senior spokesman....DeOssie on special teams.....but Collins is closest person on Defense.....hopefully Olgetree can become a leader.
If a newspaper guy crosses the line and attacks someone as a person or says something about their family or personal life, then go after them all you want.
But some of these guys take things the media says way too seriously. He didn't call Snacks mother a whore, he said that the leadership wasn't great in the building last year. Not something Snacks should even respond to, it's just not worth it.
If the players didn't respond, you'd have less shit stirring as a result down the road because it wouldn't be working.
Snacks basically threatening beat guys is pathetic. If they cross the line then go beat the hell out of them, but stuff like this is ridiculous to get all crazy about
In short, players have enough crap to deal with, having fabricated stories made up about them with next to zero verifiable information has to be taxing after a while. Clearly Snacks thinks/knows Jordan has done this before, which isnt shocking. Hes tired of it and he tweeted back, the horror.
Everyone get over yourselves.
Youre either an idiot or a troll. Or both
And just graduated from college
No, he doesnt. Not even a little bit
Basically, it's what Tuck said. Nobody really has any idea what Snacks is like with these guys behind closed doors in the locker room. He's the last one on that defense that I would question about wanting to help this team and the young players on it.
Same. No different than the entire Jets locker room telling Mehta he isnt welcome there.
And if you really want to dig into this and play psychologist, I can easily say Snacks is one that can handle this mentally and is speaking out so the rest of his team doesnt have to.
I guess its a matter of perspective because I didnt take that line from Snacks as a threat... or even a warning... but as a request. As far as getting anything from him... whether it be a quote, a line or a look... Raanan would be wise to try to get it from someone else. What would be more interesting would be if more players follow suit... thus making it more difficult for him (Raanan) to do his job (while, ironically, turning Snacks into a leader unintentionally)... and causes Raanan issues with his own employer. Would the Giants then force Snacks and the players to have to deal with Raanan? Or would they back one of their players? And what if Eli sided with Snacks? Then whats the teams reaction?
I just think Raanans playing a somewhat dangerous game here as HE needs the players in order to do his job... not the other way around. Mr. Raanan would be wise to consider this the next time he wants to take a shot at the leadership in the locker room.
Vacchiano eventually grew out of that habit. He stopped being that guy some time after 2008.
Modern media is judged by how many clicks their articles and tweets bring in. Stop consuming the low-hanging fruit.
I remember last year, Carl Banks tweeting players on defense quitting and not giving their all. Snacks called him out and told him he was wrong and since he(Banks) is there maybe should call those players out in locker room. Fast forward to off-season Snacks is on Cowherd show basically saying players on DEF showed up just for a paycheck.
I just think Raanans playing a somewhat dangerous game here as HE needs the players in order to do his job... not the other way around. Mr. Raanan would be wise to consider this the next time he wants to take a shot at the leadership in the locker room.
"If you want to be a true friend to them, be honest, and unmerciful" - ( New Window )
So it's legitimate to ask the defensive draftees who they heard from after they were drafted, and it's legitimate to report the answer.
Assuming nobody here objects to the question, or the answer, then the problem seems to come down to him linking that to the lack of leadership last year.
Every workplace has its own culture. At my workplace, the culture isn't really all that welcoming for new people, at least, not in the sense of "let's take the new person to lunch" or stuff like that. That could be construed as a lack of leadership, but it was really more of a style of leadership. When I started, things were pretty competitive and chilly, kind of standoffish. But the head of the company wanted us competing with each other. He was the leader, he set the tone. It wasn't a lack of leadership, it was a style of leadership. We were supposed to compete, but there was a weekly meeting where we all had to present what what we were working on and share feedback. It was competitive but inclusive and camaraderie developed despite the compeitition.
Nowadays that competitive culture is gone and there's a lot of warmth and support among people in their own units, especially once people settle in, yet this management is less inclusive. That weekly meeting now is for management only. Different culture.
If this anecdote is right, maybe the Giants offense has one culture, where the big name players take the initiative about reaching out to new guys, and the defense has a different culture, where that's not a priority.
Maybe it doesn't matter, and that makes Raanan a "shit-stirrer." But sorry, Snacks, I don't think it's that much of a reach.
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I just think Raanans playing a somewhat dangerous game here as HE needs the players in order to do his job... not the other way around. Mr. Raanan would be wise to consider this the next time he wants to take a shot at the leadership in the locker room.
That would be cowardly of him. It's his job to report the facts and call it as he sees it, not kowtow to the subject of his journalism. I have no problem with what he said. He is asking a legitimate question and he isn't saying anything that isn't true. It's up to us to draw conclusions based on it or not. In my opinion, it's inconclusive, but worthy of discussion and something to pay attention to as the weeks and months leading up to the season play out. "If you want to be a true friend to them, be honest, and unmerciful" - ( New Window )
How is it a fact that a rookie not receiving a welcome call somehow relates to a lack of leadership Milt? No one is suggesting that he kowtow to anyone... but theres a difference between constantly inserting a negative spin on what most would consider an insignificant issue (really? not giving a rookie a welcome call means theres still a lack of leadership on defense?) and, in your words, kowtowing. If Carter did get a call from someone what does that mean Milt? Still a lack of leadership? Should every rookie be expecting these calls or just the drafted ones? Thats a lot of guys to call Milt.
You and Ranaan want to extrapolate a lack of leadership from someone not getting a Welcome to New York! call be my guess but Id be curious to see if B.J. himself... ya know, the guy actually in question here... found it interesting that he didnt get a call? Im not sure whats there to look out for here. Theres going to be leaders who will emerge on this team... in some cases probably from guys who werent here the year before (like Ogletree for instance). Not to mention hopefully a stronger leadership presence from the HC and DC (neither of whom last year did a very good job of it).
The point being... I wouldnt be a bit surprised if Raanan is making a bigger deal of this than B.J. is.
The point being... I wouldnt be a bit surprised if Raanan is making a bigger deal of this than B.J. is.
Same thing with Eli and offensive players. I would assume in this day and age a Twit would be fine. I also don't know if this is the NFL culture and if other teams do it or not.
The defense did seem to lack a lot of things last year and if they really did packed it in, then guts too. But, maybe they didn't pack it in, I wasn't in the locker room--but that is how it seems.
I also think Jordan Ranana is doing this to cause trouble for clickbait and is a disgrace of a "journalist".
I also think Jordan Raanan is doing this to cause trouble for clickbait and is a disgrace of a "journalist".
It isn't Raanan's job to be a cheerleader for the Giants, that's what Michael Eisen and John Schmeelk are paid to do.
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Or, like I said, there are so many changes going on on that side of the ball there is no established leader on that side of the ball? As has been said, the closest is probably Collins and so far his leadership style hasnt always been the most helpful (see Eli Apple). The offense has Eli and to a lesser extent OBJ. The D lost probably the only person who had any kind of real clout on the team when they traded away JPP. Snacks, Collins, Vernon and Jackrabbit all havent been there for more than two seasons. Not exactly what Id call entrenched faces of leadership on D.
The point being... I wouldnt be a bit surprised if Raanan is making a bigger deal of this than B.J. is.
That's fair, but this doesn't seem to be new. Strahan talked years ago about the Giants not having enough assholes, meaning guys who would get in other guys' faces if they didn't perform. I think he was onto something.
1) that was years ago... and 2) those kind of leaders need to be developed. Theres been a lot of turnover on that side of the ball which has lead to it being difficult to develop an identity (or identify a leader). Not to mention, the kind of leadership that HAS developed on that side of the ball appears to not have in included many A type personalities. From JPP... to Snacks... to Casillas... who among the few guys whove been around long enough to become a leader has that type of personality? Particularly at the LB spot... and even more particularly the MLB spot? Casillas isnt really that type it seems and Goodson cant stay on the field. Goff? Who else? Like you said, its been an issue. Hopefully one that a guy like Ogletree can finally resolve.
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I also think Jordan Raanan is doing this to cause trouble for clickbait and is a disgrace of a "journalist".
Raanan is doing nothing wrong, he is doing his job. He is reporting a new fact and pairing it was another fact for which there may or may not be a relationship. He isn't drawing a conclusion, he is presenting it as a question without actually asking the question (which is perfectly fine). It's for us to decide whether or not there is a connection. Or simply to decide that it's something that's worth paying attention to. And it's certainly something worth pointing out if Raanan is also pointing out that Eli texted Webb and Lauletta while Favre and Roethlisberger seemed to show the draft pick the cold shoulder. If one is newsworthy than so is the other.
It isn't Raanan's job to be a cheerleader for the Giants, that's what Michael Eisen and John Schmeelk are paid to do.
I think thats the point I, Snacks and those of us that disagree with Raanan tryin to make the comparison have... how does not reaching out point to a lack of leadership? Im still not seeing it.
I think thats the point I, Snacks and those of us that disagree with Raanan tryin to make the comparison have... how does not reaching out point to a lack of leadership? Im still not seeing it.
As for Eli, I think reaching out to what might be your eventual replacement of the highest profile job in sports is a bit different than a DT reaching out to a player who will play at the same time as him, especially as we load up for a change in scheme. I dont happen to think Eli calling someone is some immense leadership trait, but his position and job and legacy are bigger than Snacks and with that comes different expectations. Not my rule, but it is what it is.
In sum, Ranaan is a coward. Should have just posted it as a statement like a man. No one is asking for cheerleader, this was just a very weak attempt at getting a story.
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I think thats the point I, Snacks and those of us that disagree with Raanan tryin to make the comparison have... how does not reaching out point to a lack of leadership? Im still not seeing it.
Well if Eli reaching out to the new QB points to leadership, isn't it fair to ask if nobody reaching out to the DT draft pick suggests a lack of leadership?
I guess that depends on if you think Eli doing that is a show of leadership or something nice being done by someone who happens to be one of the established leaders on the team? If Gallman sent Barkley a text, does that make him a leader as well? If Ogletree called Carter to welcome him to the team (because of the Georgia connection), that automatically make him a leader even though he just got here?
These are examples of why its kind of silly, in my opinion, to equate something as... trivial (for lack of a better term)... as calling someone to welcome them to the organization as any real, tangible sign of leadership. Anyone can do it and although it may mean a bit more coming from someone like an Eli Manning as opposed to a Wayne Gallman or Davis Webb, how much more weight does it carry? Its just a simple Hello, welcome to the team. Good luck and holla at me if you need any help.. Shit... Tim Scott can do that just like Eli can.
x2. Its lazy and pathetic.
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I also think Jordan Raanan is doing this to cause trouble for clickbait and is a disgrace of a "journalist".
Raanan is doing nothing wrong, he is doing his job. He is reporting a new fact and pairing it was another fact for which there may or may not be a relationship. He isn't drawing a conclusion, he is presenting it as a question without actually asking the question (which is perfectly fine). It's for us to decide whether or not there is a connection. Or simply to decide that it's something that's worth paying attention to. And it's certainly something worth pointing out if Raanan is also pointing out that Eli texted Webb and Lauletta while Favre and Roethlisberger seemed to show the draft pick the cold shoulder. If one is newsworthy than so is the other.
It isn't Raanan's job to be a cheerleader for the Giants, that's what Michael Eisen and John Schmeelk are paid to do.
Huh?
Pairing a new fact with another fact is exactly drawing a conclusion! Especially as you have stated there may or may not be a relationship between those facts. If that's not drawing a conclusion, what is?
I miss the days when the media's job was to report news not help create it.
from all accounts the DL was a pretty tight group but with jpp gone and hankins gone and 2 new DT's drafted they havent exactly made it easy for him to welcome these guys either
In sum, Ranaan is a coward. Should have just posted it as a statement like a man. No one is asking for cheerleader, this was just a very weak attempt at getting a story.
I don't know what's going on with Harrison, but it's fair to ask questions, because these aren't just isolated facts that are accumulating. What it all adds up to remains unknown, but it's worthy of discussion.
If you and Ranaan want to continue to question whether a single player not receiving a welcome message somehow points to a continued lack of leadership then please continue waving that flag and keeping an eye out for any other subtle moves (or non-moves) made over the course of the summer. Who knows... you guys may be right and the defense may be on the verge of a mutiny because McIntish also never received such a call/text.
As far as Snacks is concerned, we have a bunch of dots to work with that we didn't have six or so months ago. One of those dots is that he just had a baby, another is that he just got his degree. These are dots that may or may not be meaningful in terms of his recent behavior/state of mind with the Giants. The fact that the Giants spent two of their six picks at the DT position when they already have Snacks and Tomlinson is another dot which may or may not be meaningful (i.e., are the Giants preparing for this being Snacks last year with the team? and I get that Tomlinson and McIntosh can play DE in a 3-4, but they are run-stuffers like Snacks, not pass-rushers). And there are several other dots as well that have been pointed out with Harrison, all of which may or may not be meaningful.
It's the beat writers job to give us as many dots as possible, it's up to us to draw the picture. Right now it's an incomplete picture, but there are more dots to come and at this point there is no reason to ignore any of the dots we've so far accumulated. Each of them may or may not be relevant.
Good luck on your search for the truth Milton.
Good luck on your search for the truth Milton.
Totally agree.
They're just friggin dots, and no, we're not all connecting them like Milton suggests.
It seems to me the writer is trying to get people to connect them, but like Snacks said, he's reaching. He's trying to sell something that most of us aren't buying.
p.s.--I'll leave you with a quote from Dostoevsky when he was just 18-years old...
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Youre psychoanalyzing this to the same degree that Raanan is attempting to do. Which is why youre continuing to try to debate something that in the grand scheme of things is a very trivial matter.
What I'm continuing to debate isn't so much the degree to which the factoid is meaningful, but Raanan's justification for reporting it. With BBI everything has to be black or white. It's either "In Reese we trust" or Reese is the anti-Christ. When Raanan first arrived on the scene, he was getting rave reviews as a breath of fresh air compared to Ralph V (another who takes far too much undeserved abuse for doing his job). Garafalo was fortunate to leave at a time when he was popular, so now he is always remembered fondly, even though he was really not much different than any of the others. Timing is everything. And confirmation bias rules the day: if you believe Eli is a leader, texting the draft pick is another sign of it; if you believe Snacks is a leader, not texting a draft pick is completely irrelevant.
Or if you dont think texting a rookie has anything to do with actual leadership, then it matters little to you whether Eli texts someone or Snacks doesnt. THAT, my friend, is the point. Youre talking about BBI being so black and white and yet thats precisely what youre doing here. If a guy texts a guy, thats showing leadership... but if he doesnt, its not.
Again, you (and Ranaan) are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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And sometimes... theyre just dots Milton. Nothing more, nothing less.
Good luck on your search for the truth Milton.
Totally agree.
They're just friggin dots, and no, we're not all connecting them like Milton suggests.
It seems to me the writer is trying to get people to connect them, but like Snacks said, he's reaching. He's trying to sell something that most of us aren't buying.
Exactly! Except... Milton!
Have a good one buddy.
Have a good one buddy.
Ranaan has grasped at stories before and he seems to be doing it again. Hes going to get himself blackballed by the locker room if he isnt careful. His problem, not mine.
He's more about drumming up click bait than actually reporting things of substance.
And that's why some more of them aren't here anymore!
I agree that this is a silly reason to question the leadership on D.
Would you say that questioning the overall leadership on D is off base though based on what we saw last season? Though I am of the opinion that it was a result of the coaching staff last season.
At what point did John Mara become Damon Harrison's father? A 30 year old man with kids does not have to "keep his head down and his mouth shut" if he wants to object to having his character damaged by the media.
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The press often look to create a story. That's the way it is. Being a pro involves more than just what you do on the field. It's how you handle yourself in all aspects of your career. That includes dealing with the press in a manner in which Mara would approve. And I would suggest that Mara would not approve of Snacks "response" - and would have told Snacks he should have kept his mouth shut, his head down, and continued being a man on the field and in the locker room.
At what point did John Mara become Damon Harrison's father? A 30 year old man with kids does not have to "keep his head down and his mouth shut" if he wants to object to having his character damaged by the media.
If I'm paying him several million dollars, I'm paying him for every way he conducts himself, including interacting with the media. And believe it that Mara talks to players when they act in ways he doesn't appreciate (ala Beckham)... I doubt Mara gets involved in this ... too petty ... but it is Snacks job to be a complete professional ... and imo he's demonstrating he is just a school yard kid who can't control himself because some other kid stuck his tongue out at him
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The press often look to create a story. That's the way it is. Being a pro involves more than just what you do on the field. It's how you handle yourself in all aspects of your career. That includes dealing with the press in a manner in which Mara would approve. And I would suggest that Mara would not approve of Snacks "response" - and would have told Snacks he should have kept his mouth shut, his head down, and continued being a man on the field and in the locker room.
At what point did John Mara become Damon Harrison's father? A 30 year old man with kids does not have to "keep his head down and his mouth shut" if he wants to object to having his character damaged by the media.
Exactly, he has every right to respond to a hack like Raanan
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The press often look to create a story. That's the way it is. Being a pro involves more than just what you do on the field. It's how you handle yourself in all aspects of your career. That includes dealing with the press in a manner in which Mara would approve. And I would suggest that Mara would not approve of Snacks "response" - and would have told Snacks he should have kept his mouth shut, his head down, and continued being a man on the field and in the locker room.
At what point did John Mara become Damon Harrison's father? A 30 year old man with kids does not have to "keep his head down and his mouth shut" if he wants to object to having his character damaged by the media.
Exactly, he has every right to respond to a hack like Raanan
Well, if so, then what is his response? Did he call? Does he feel the kid doesn't deserve a call? Does he think it was some other defenseman's job to call?
Snacks is the one who comes across like a hack as far as I'm concerned. If Snacks feels the question was inappropriate, then he can tell me why. But right now, all he did was basically give the guy the finger, leaving me to believe the story was right on target and Snacks had no good answer.
Hats bullshit. You are basically saying Mara should be allowed to censor his employees. Snacks didnt call him a racial slur or threaten to beat the shit out of him. He asked him to stay away if hes going to make shit up. Mara may prefer he take the Eli Manning approach but thats about it.
You are talking about muting an employee which if is what Mara wants, than Im not sure I want to root for the team he owns.
At what point is the supposed professional in the media supposed to act like a professional? You guys chalking shit like this up to, oh well, hes just doing his job, are a huge part of the problem
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The press often look to create a story. That's the way it is. Being a pro involves more than just what you do on the field. It's how you handle yourself in all aspects of your career. That includes dealing with the press in a manner in which Mara would approve. And I would suggest that Mara would not approve of Snacks "response" - and would have told Snacks he should have kept his mouth shut, his head down, and continued being a man on the field and in the locker room.
Hats bullshit. You are basically saying Mara should be allowed to censor his employees. Snacks didnt call him a racial slur or threaten to beat the shit out of him. He asked him to stay away if hes going to make shit up. Mara may prefer he take the Eli Manning approach but thats about it.
You are talking about muting an employee which if is what Mara wants, than Im not sure I want to root for the team he owns.
I guess you don't work for a large company. Virtually every major company "mutes" their employees when it comes to talking publicly about business that relates to the company. I guess you haven't heard about employees being fired because of stupid shit they've said on facebook even though it wasn't negative about the company, but made the company look "unprofessional"
But - the bottom line is this. Snacks should act like his employer is paying him to act. Like an adult. Stop getting involved in "nah nah na na na" shit. He's not in 6th grade any more. He should grow the fuck up. And - if he is going to respond - then he could at least answer the fucking question. His failure to address the question itself tells me that's likely because he doesn't have a good answer.
I guarantee you his contract has clauses that dictate his behavior well beyond the football field.
Ereck Flowers hits a reporter and nothing happens but Snacks asks a guy to leave him alone and he gets this kind of backlash?
Good lord some of you people suck.
At what point is the supposed professional in the media supposed to act like a professional? You guys chalking shit like this up to, oh well, hes just doing his job, are a huge part of the problem
The media will respond when we - the fans - let the writer's employer know we won't read him any more because of the nature of this reporting. That's going to carry a hell of a lot more weight than anything a player says.
Especially when the player doesn't even address the issue. The story implied some lineman should have called and didn't. If Snacks has a problem with that, then say so. But just giving the finger to the media is acting like a little boy (and, again, tells me that he didn't have a good answer to the story because, if he did, why doesn't he tell us that good answer?)
Ereck Flowers hits a reporter and nothing happens but Snacks asks a guy to leave him alone and he gets this kind of backlash?
Good lord some of you people suck.
The funny thing is, it was the SAME reporter, wasnt it? Huh
Ereck Flowers hits a reporter and nothing happens but Snacks asks a guy to leave him alone and he gets this kind of backlash?
Good lord some of you people suck.
Where did I say fireable? Geez, you like to make shit up i see.
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thanks for looking into my credentials. And what you are referencing isnt close to something thats fireable. Asking a reporter to leave you alone for making up stories is literally what you are up in arms over. Let that sink in for a second.
Ereck Flowers hits a reporter and nothing happens but Snacks asks a guy to leave him alone and he gets this kind of backlash?
Good lord some of you people suck.
The funny thing is, it was the SAME reporter, wasnt it? Huh
Haha, yeah thats correct. Like I said much earlier in this thread, Ranaans got some thinking to do. Does he really want to be blackballed by the entire Giants locker room? Manish Mehta in waiting.
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thanks for looking into my credentials. And what you are referencing isnt close to something thats fireable. Asking a reporter to leave you alone for making up stories is literally what you are up in arms over. Let that sink in for a second.
Ereck Flowers hits a reporter and nothing happens but Snacks asks a guy to leave him alone and he gets this kind of backlash?
Good lord some of you people suck.
Where did I say fireable? Geez, you like to make shit up i see.
You literally posted about companies firing just minutes ago. Cant keep up with your own bullshit, can you?
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Guys like Jordan continue to poke, poke, poke and if a player responds, he gets killed. Why? Its about damn time these players start responding. At what point do we hold Jordan accountable for being a professional? This isnt an isolated incident. Jordans been stirring the pot for awhile now and I think its naive to just say eh, you cant win against the media, or he sounds like a child if he responds. These guys are human.
At what point is the supposed professional in the media supposed to act like a professional? You guys chalking shit like this up to, oh well, hes just doing his job, are a huge part of the problem
The media will respond when we - the fans - let the writer's employer know we won't read him any more because of the nature of this reporting. That's going to carry a hell of a lot more weight than anything a player says.
Especially when the player doesn't even address the issue. The story implied some lineman should have called and didn't. If Snacks has a problem with that, then say so. But just giving the finger to the media is acting like a little boy (and, again, tells me that he didn't have a good answer to the story because, if he did, why doesn't he tell us that good answer?)
He didnt address the issue? WHAT issue? Can Jordan provide us the numbers of how many players call mid round picks across the NFL? Does he know? Does every single mid rounder receive a call? If not, whats the percentage? If hes going to run his mouth he should at least have some data, correct?
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thanks for looking into my credentials. And what you are referencing isnt close to something thats fireable. Asking a reporter to leave you alone for making up stories is literally what you are up in arms over. Let that sink in for a second.
Ereck Flowers hits a reporter and nothing happens but Snacks asks a guy to leave him alone and he gets this kind of backlash?
Good lord some of you people suck.
Where did I say fireable? Geez, you like to make shit up i see.
You literally posted about companies firing just minutes ago. Cant keep up with your own bullshit, can you?
I didn't say Snacks should be fired. Never even implied it. You are full of bullshit.
Hey Googs!
You spelled Yankees wrong
Im done here, you arent worth my time. Enjoy getting pissed at a tweet, I hope you feel vindicated.
Life is good for the bombers...
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Guys like Jordan continue to poke, poke, poke and if a player responds, he gets killed. Why? Its about damn time these players start responding. At what point do we hold Jordan accountable for being a professional? This isnt an isolated incident. Jordans been stirring the pot for awhile now and I think its naive to just say eh, you cant win against the media, or he sounds like a child if he responds. These guys are human.
At what point is the supposed professional in the media supposed to act like a professional? You guys chalking shit like this up to, oh well, hes just doing his job, are a huge part of the problem
The media will respond when we - the fans - let the writer's employer know we won't read him any more because of the nature of this reporting. That's going to carry a hell of a lot more weight than anything a player says.
Especially when the player doesn't even address the issue. The story implied some lineman should have called and didn't. If Snacks has a problem with that, then say so. But just giving the finger to the media is acting like a little boy (and, again, tells me that he didn't have a good answer to the story because, if he did, why doesn't he tell us that good answer?)
He didnt address the issue? WHAT issue? Can Jordan provide us the numbers of how many players call mid round picks across the NFL? Does he know? Does every single mid rounder receive a call? If not, whats the percentage? If hes going to run his mouth he should at least have some data, correct?
I am not sticking up for the reporter. I am, however, saying that being a professional involves acting like a professional. I think Snacks is the best run stopping DT in the league. I've never read anything about him that I didn't like.
And his response here isn't a big deal. But - he is acting like a little boy. The media get public people riled up all the time. That's what the media do. And public figures usually have enough self control to act like an adult and ignore it.
Snacks didn't. I think it was dumb of him to do. And I suspect Mara would have preferred he not engage in a publc pissing contest with the press. Mara probably won't say anything. But I promise you - if he continues pissing into the wind at the media, Mara will say something to him.
And, for those that think he is allowed to engage in a pissing contest with the media, I got news for you - not if it is about his role on the NY Giants he doesn't. I mean, he legally can say whatever he wants. The constitution guarantees him that. But if Mara tells him to stop - and he didn't listen to Mara - I promise you that his contract almost certainly has multiple clauses regarding "conduct unbecoming" blah blah blah
None of that is going to happen. This is all a big deal about nothing.
Made that way by Snacks - who should have acted like an adult and moved on.
Meanwhile, Snacks, I got a question for ya ... did you happen to call and welcome the newly drafted D lineman to the team and wish him luck? Just wondering...
And stop mixing up issues that have no relationship. Some may not be happy with some of Snacks moves/comments lately but not sure that should be related to this at all.
Giants may need leadership but to throw it on his doorstep seems disingenuous...I could type several veteran NY Giant names in his place that could step up themselves.