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Tyler Howell played RT with the first-unit

GFAN52 : 5/12/2018 9:39 pm
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Second-round pick Will Hernandez appears to be set at left guard for the foreseeable future, and there are big plans for the UTEP star. The early attention shortly following the draft was focused on SMU center Evan Brown and Nebraska's Nick Gates, but perhaps we overlooked Missouri tackle Tyler Howell. The 6-foot-8, 300-pound Howell manned right tackle with the first-unit. Gates played left guard with the second unit and Brown was at center. It will be interesting to see if Gates and Brown can push the interior guys moving forward.

Howell might actually have a shot to challenge Chad Wheeler, an undrafted tackle from last season, and Ereck Flowers, whom Giants coach Pat Shurmur insisted Saturday makes his squad a better team than the one without him.


Hope he makes the team.
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Iím going to love the objective grading  
mattlawson : 5/12/2018 9:48 pm : link
For the first time in a long time
1st team in rookie  
section125 : 5/12/2018 9:50 pm : link
practice?

BFD
Record's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2018 9:52 pm : link
coverage today was very good.
btw  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2018 10:04 pm : link
for years, the Giants have had big differences in heights/weights with the roster sheet they hand the press and their Giants.com roster/article updates.

They have Tyler Howell listed at 328 on one and 300 on the other. I think he is actually closer to the 328 figure.
Ethan Cooper played 1st team center  
George from PA : 5/12/2018 10:06 pm : link
At 347 lbs.....like this hog Mollie!

Any chance he can over takes Jones?
RE: Ethan Cooper played 1st team center  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2018 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13962176 George from PA said:
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At 347 lbs.....like this hog Mollie!

Any chance he can over takes Jones?


Yeah, that's another guy who they've listed at two different weights. If he's really 347, wow.
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GFAN52 : 5/12/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13962175 Eric from BBI said:
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for years, the Giants have had big differences in heights/weights with the roster sheet they hand the press and their Giants.com roster/article updates.

They have Tyler Howell listed at 328 on one and 300 on the other. I think he is actually closer to the 328 figure.


I'd agree on the 328 figure.
Dam - these guys are huge  
short lease : 5/12/2018 10:33 pm : link

6'8' - 328

a 348 lb center?
This is the first time  
eric2425ny : 5/12/2018 11:03 pm : link
In many years I have actually been excited to see the offensive lineman we are bringing in as UDFA since we have a GM who actually knows how to find them. Reese was excellent at WR and DT (aside from Marvin Austin), and decent at CB, but offensive lineman were his krytonite.
offensive linemen, linebackers, and running backs  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/12/2018 11:21 pm : link
were his kryptonite
RE: offensive linemen, linebackers, and running backs  
kennyd : 5/12/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:
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were his kryptonite


I don't disagree about his problems with OL and LB's but the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
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81_Great_Dane : 5/12/2018 11:45 pm : link
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.
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kennyd : 5/12/2018 11:51 pm : link
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)

Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.


Absolutely. You take the good, unforeseen things (Cruz, etc) with the bad (Wilson). Just saying it's tough to say how his RB picks would be judged if, IF, a first round RB actually saw the field and played at a high level for ten years.
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eric2425ny : 5/12/2018 11:51 pm : link
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)

Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.


I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didnít seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.
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kennyd : 5/12/2018 11:54 pm : link
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)

Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.



I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didnít seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.


This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???
RE: offensive linemen, linebackers, and running backs  
eric2425ny : 5/12/2018 11:55 pm : link
In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:
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were his kryptonite


My bad, linebackers were right there with the offensive line. It seemed like we drafted them every year and no one panned out. No GM hits on every pick, but man were our drafts horrible the last several years when you look at them as a whole.
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eric2425ny : 5/13/2018 12:02 am : link
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)

Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.



I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didnít seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.



This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???


Barkley just seems to have the instincts that many backs donít have, in addition to his ridiculous physique. Itís really the same with every player, some QBís are very technically proficient like Rosen for example at UCLA, but they seem to lack awareness which has led to injuries. And others like Eli seem to sense where the pressure is coming from and avoid the big hit more often than not. Barry Sanders, who in my opinion is the best running back ever, never seemed to take a big hit, he knew how to pick his battles. I have heard a lot of people say Barkley is the next Bo Jackson. Not true, Bo trucked guys and then ran by them like a track star, Barkley evades hits more like Barry.
RE: This is the first time  
Milton : 5/13/2018 12:05 am : link
In comment 13962193 eric2425ny said:
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In many years I have actually been excited to see the offensive lineman we are bringing in as UDFA since we have a GM who actually knows how to find them.
You weren't excited about Chad Wheeler last year?
p.s.--Not sure why some of you are excited about these guys playing with the first unit. It's not like any of the starters are there so on what unit do you expecting them to be starting? The second unit is probably made up of unsigned invites with no chance of making the 53 man squad (or guys from the first unit playing a different position on the second unit).
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eric2425ny : 5/13/2018 12:09 am : link
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In many years I have actually been excited to see the offensive lineman we are bringing in as UDFA since we have a GM who actually knows how to find them.

You weren't excited about Chad Wheeler last year?
p.s.--Not sure why some of you are excited about these guys playing with the first unit. It's not like any of the starters are there so on what unit do you expecting them to be starting? The second unit is probably made up of unsigned invites with no chance of making the 53 man squad (or guys from the first unit playing a different position on the second unit).


After seeing the offensive lineman Reese used draft picks on through the years no I was not excited to see Chad Wheeler. That being said, I hope he becomes a phenomenal player. Agreed on the first unit thing, how is there a first unit when itís rookies and random UDFAís?
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mack809f : 5/13/2018 1:09 am : link
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)

Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.



I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didnít seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.



This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???


Never liked Wilson, great speed, dynamic kick returner, but not a good reciever or rusher in his 2 years. He caught 6 passes total in his career. It always bothered me that Tampa traded up to take Doug Martin the pick before. I know its been said that the Giants wanted Wilson, but Martin was much better from what I saw.
Here's a cool video of Howell...  
Milton : 5/13/2018 2:45 am : link
from November 2017...
Big Guy with a Big Heart - ( New Window )
More video on Howell  
Milton : 5/13/2018 2:49 am : link
Not sure if this has been posted to BBI before...
Includes multiple clips from his JC days... - ( New Window )
Kryptonite  
greek13 : 5/13/2018 5:53 am : link
Head Coach was JRs kryptonite, too!
Eric, re T Howell weight  
Wazzat : 5/13/2018 8:09 am : link
official pro day data:
Wt 328
ht 6-8-1/4
T Hoeell pro day - ( New Window )
Hoeell = Howell  
Wazzat : 5/13/2018 8:10 am : link
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E Cooper pro day data  
Wazzat : 5/13/2018 8:17 am : link
ht 6-2
wt 322 in 2017
E Cooper combine 2017 - ( New Window )
Since when did big  
Doomster : 5/13/2018 8:59 am : link
equal good?
Remember  
XBRONX : 5/13/2018 9:07 am : link
Scott Gragg?
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Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/13/2018 9:23 am : link
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)

Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.



I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didnít seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.



This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???



Never liked Wilson, great speed, dynamic kick returner, but not a good reciever or rusher in his 2 years. He caught 6 passes total in his career. It always bothered me that Tampa traded up to take Doug Martin the pick before. I know its been said that the Giants wanted Wilson, but Martin was much better from what I saw.


No way we wanted Wilson more, or our front office is officially moronic. Muscle Hamster is a workhorse back we needed and coveted, TB played us like a drum and we panicked and reached for a KR/specialist who couldn't pass block in the 1st round.
RE: Ethan Cooper played 1st team center  
GeofromNJ : 5/13/2018 10:08 am : link
In comment 13962176 George from PA said:
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At 347 lbs.....like this hog Mollie!

Any chance he can over takes Jones?
I don't think Cooper ever played center for Indiana (PA). If this attempt at conversion is legitimate, it reminds me of Kevin Belcher who was drafted as a guard in '83 and converted to center in '84. Belcher did well at center, but unfortunately was involved in a motor vehicle accident in January '85 that ended his NFL career. The Giants then signed Bart Oates from the USFL.
Reese deserved to be fired  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2018 10:23 am : link
but man was that guy snake bitten with injuries to key players. Kenny Phillips, Terrell Thomas, Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Victor Cruz, Jay Alford, Chad Jones, David Wilson, Clint Sintim, Jonathan Goff,etc.
RE: Eric, re T Howell weight  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13962269 Wazzat said:
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official pro day data:
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I know. And the Giants issued a paper roster with him at 328. Their press release had him at 300. I believe the former.
Itís nice to finally get through a thread  
T-Bone : 5/13/2018 10:48 am : link
where the criticism leveled against Reese is fair and balanced and not filled with a bunch of made up stuff from him ignoring the o-line to being blamed for the Kennedy assasination.
Great positive vibe  
giantsFC : 5/13/2018 11:17 am : link
But iíll Believe all these undrafted guys being praised are worth a crap when I see it.
I smell propaganda
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GFAN52 : 5/13/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13962341 giantsFC said:
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But iíll Believe all these undrafted guys being praised are worth a crap when I see it.
I smell propaganda


Propaganda for draft picks perhaps, but whatís the point of propaganda for UDFAs.
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giantsFC : 5/13/2018 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13962382 GFAN52 said:
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But iíll Believe all these undrafted guys being praised are worth a crap when I see it.
I smell propaganda



Propaganda for draft picks perhaps, but whatís the point of propaganda for UDFAs.


Because the team made no improvement to those positions and thus people want to get fans excited and their hopes up w these street guys.

There are often great undrafted stories, but to have more than one success story on a team is rare. The giants are acting like they are going to have about 5 success stories in one season....2-4 at position of CB/WR alone

I hate to say it, but this regime seems to treat their CBís and WRís like the last regime treated OL & LB.

Hopefully wrong in all this
Competition at Every Position  
CJ in AZ : 5/13/2018 11:21 pm : link
is the announced goal. Seems like they are really trying to make that the case as much as they can in one off-season, with the limitations that exist.
Is Erick Flowers listening?
It's May.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/13/2018 11:34 pm : link
The depth chart and a nickel wouldn't be worth enough to buy a piece of chewing gum.
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Klaatu : 5/14/2018 12:34 am : link
In comment 13962529 giantsFC said:
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But iíll Believe all these undrafted guys being praised are worth a crap when I see it.
I smell propaganda



Propaganda for draft picks perhaps, but whatís the point of propaganda for UDFAs.



Because the team made no improvement to those positions and thus people want to get fans excited and their hopes up w these street guys.

There are often great undrafted stories, but to have more than one success story on a team is rare. The giants are acting like they are going to have about 5 success stories in one season....2-4 at position of CB/WR alone

I hate to say it, but this regime seems to treat their CBís and WRís like the last regime treated OL & LB.

Hopefully wrong in all this


Oh, puh-leeze.

Propaganda aside, because it isn't even close to being correct, "this regime" has had exactly one off-season to begin rebuilding the team. One. Did you expect them to solve every problem with a limited amount of cap space - knowing whom they'll have to re-sign in the near future - and a grand total of six - count 'em - six draft picks? If you did, you were sadly mistaken.

So, you've already identified a trend, you've already come to a conclusion about "this regime?" After one off-season? Well, rebuilding the offensive line was paramount. Period. End of story. That's where the bulk of the free agent cash went - to Solder, mostly, and then to Omameh - and that's where they invested their second round pick, Hernandez...after adding a force-multiplier for the offense in the first to help revitalize what had been a woefully anemic running game for way, WAY to long. That was also a stated goal of "this regime."

With the transition to the base 3-4, rebuilding the front seven in their new DC's image came next, and that meant putting an emphasis on linebackers. So, hello Alec Ogletree, Kareem Martin, and Lorenzo Carter. A trade, a free agent, and a relatively high draft pick. After that, some big men to reinforce the trenches, so, goodbye JPP and Jay Bromley - hello Josh Mauro, B.J. Hill, and R.J. McIntosh.

Are they thin in the defensive backfield? Yes, but their resources were not infinite and painful decisions had to be made. When it came to free agency and the draft, CB and Safety were given lower priorities...this year.

Are they thin at WR? Maybe, maybe not. They've got one of the best in the business with OBJ and a very capable slot receiver in Shepard. Add to that a TE like Engram, and that force-multiplier they drafted in the first round, and I doubt, seriously, that Eli will lack for targets, no matter who fills out the rest of the WR corps.

The Giants aren't "acting" like anything. They're trying to build a winning team by maximizing what resources they have, and if they're like most NFL teams, around 30% of their roster will end up consisting of UDFAs. And that will probably be true next year as well, regardless of the moves "this regime" makes in its second year.

As my Mom used to say, "St. Anthony, give me the strength."
Klaatu  
T-Bone : 5/14/2018 5:16 am : link
Great post!

giantsFC - to put a ribbon on what Klaatu is trying to say... just chill out and be patient. Rome wasnít built in a day. Thereís a lot of work to be put in when it comes to rebuilding this roster and theyíre literally JUST beginning. Itís WAAAAY to early to draw any conclusions whatsoever about this regime and it makes little sense to do it after only a few months on the job.

As a wise man once said... R... E... L... A... X.
To piggyback a bit on Klaatuís nice post...  
T-Bone : 5/14/2018 6:14 am : link
I think what the current regime has done... after analyzing the roster... is said ĎLook... yeah the roster could use some help in a few areas... but the previous regime didnít do too bad a job acquiring talent at some positions (WR, CB and TE). So letís not allocate too many resources to those positions and see what we have there and add a few minor pieces if necessary and instead focus on shoring up the areas of the team where they appeared to have the least amount of success adding talent (OL, RB and LB). Meanwhile also adding talent in areas where the existing talent at the position isnít necessarily bad but will need a few new bodies to fit the new scheme we have in mind (DL) and see where weíre at?í.

Itís a sound way of thinking if you ask me... but one that requires a bit of patience to carry out.
If you analyze the offseason so far  
JonC : 5/14/2018 7:54 am : link
top to bottom, and factor in the players available to them via UFA and the draft, it looks a very strong job so far by DG and staff.

If you were honest after the season ended and all the changes began to rain down, it was obviously a two offseason job at the least.

Enjoy the ride.
I wasn't excited..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/14/2018 8:43 am : link
about Wheeler last year, just like I wasn't excited about Bisnowaty.

Both guys seemed to have a long ways to go and some significant work to get the the NFL level. Giants realized it with Bis early on. Wheeler basically was a raw guy with potential who needed significant work.

And basically guys who looked decent on an otherwise putrid line were vastly overrated because their mates were so bad. People loved Fluker and he basically played the way he had for the rest of his career, but next to the other guys, he looked like Orlando Pace.
Nobody should've been excited about Wheeler or Bisnowaty  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/14/2018 9:10 am : link
It's a UDFA with some serious injury and behavioral concerns and a 6th round draft pick.

It's customary for people to latch on to certain picks and for some reason have inflated expectations for back of the draft guys every year, but if anyone had any actual expectations for those guys that just makes them look silly.

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