It is mostly unfounded at this point, perhaps at this point I had the same sort of confidence in Mac, but not the same optimism. I think it is partly due to DG. To my very untrained eye DG seems to be trying to give Betcher and Shurmur players that fit what they want to do. It certainly does not hurt that Barkley is one of those players. I know it is all a work in progress but I feel like management is working as a team. Does anyone else feel the same about these guys or think I got it all wrong?
Happy to hear that the UDFA corners are looking good...the one area on defense that they are short (no pun intended).
I expect the QB pressure will be there...as that is a strength of Bettcher
Ha...and you know this because....
I think Question #1 might have been a little more like..."why do you think the NY Giants can win with you Pat?"
Happy to hear that the UDFA corners are looking good...the one area on defense that they are short (no pun intended).
I expect the QB pressure will be there...as that is a strength of Bettcher
This it IT!!!
It's all about the o-line, not just for the sake of a productive offense, put to eat up precious minutes that were grinding our defense down.
A decent o-line in 2018 will make a lot of problems go away.
It just fits into their ridiculous narrative.
I think the opposite. A head coach has to be in win now mode. Shurmur has a proven veteran franchise QB on the roster that can still play. Having Eli was likely a big selling point for him as a potential Giants HC.
I have no idea what Shumur was thinking ,wanting during draft....but he does seems genuinely pleased with how the team is forming.
Shurmur beleives in Eli. He bought in to ownerships belief that we could still win a championship with Eli in the next few years.
Therefore adding the highest instant impact player in the draft goes along best in advancing that vision.
Barkley was the unanimous #1 for this team and our win now approach
If Landon Collins is really a leader of this team then he needs to stop criticizing players in the media and keep that garbage in house. No good can come from air grievances through the media.
If Landon Collins is really a leader of this team then he needs to stop criticizing players in the media and keep that garbage in house. No good can come from air grievances through the media.
We've obviously had bad seasons before but in the context of performance relative to talent level, it was one of the worst seasons in the history of this storied franchise.
However sometimes you have to go through the valley to stand on the mountain.
Gettleman has made just about all the critical moves to prepare us well to climb back to the top.
We've obviously had bad seasons before but in the context of performance relative to talent level, it was one of the worst seasons in the history of this storied franchise.
However sometimes you have to go through the valley to stand on the mountain.
Gettleman has made just about all the critical moves to prepare us well to climb back to the top.
Yes it was a combination of expectations, performance, and drama that made it the worst season as a fan. The next closest for me was 2003. In 2002 the offense erupted and I thought Collins was on his way to finally becoming a great QB. That season was awful but it did bring us Eli and Snee.
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Yeah I don’t get it either. It’s a baseless claim and even if Shurmur wanted a QB at 2 it doesn’t mean he’s disappointed they didn’t go that route.
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We've obviously had bad seasons before but in the context of performance relative to talent level, it was one of the worst seasons in the history of this storied franchise.
However sometimes you have to go through the valley to stand on the mountain.
Gettleman has made just about all the critical moves to prepare us well to climb back to the top.
Yes it was a combination of expectations, performance, and drama that made it the worst season as a fan. The next closest for me was 2003. In 2002 the offense erupted and I thought Collins was on his way to finally becoming a great QB. That season was awful but it did bring us Eli and Snee.
Yup, and in turn, our 'valley' season last year brought us Saquon and Angry Angus.
People raved about Reese after his first draft. Now the story is the only success he had was due to EA and he’s run out of town.
I hear so many remarks like “refreshing” etc. I don’t care if a coach or GM is charismatic in front of the media. Rex Ryan was charasnatic and thot got real old when he stopped winning. Lots of love right now, but if they passed on an elite QB the honeymoon won’t last long.
I understand the optimism. But results are what matter. If they’re good, they’ll earn the praise. Right now is more like cheerleading.
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Yup 100% false. We heavily scouted Lauletta and had a second round grade on him.
I am treading cautiously.....one year is not going to work for me(unless he is a complete failure).....after two years, we will know what we have in DG and Shurm.....
It's hard to believe that we will be not be better....but I just don't know until I see how this team plays after the next two seasons...
Is this a playoff team that will make some noise? I don't think so, but I believe we are headed in the right direction.....another good draft, and replacement of players via free agency could finally put us in that position next season.....
I am cautiously optimistic for the up coming season.....I can't believe that Shurm will run an offense like Mac did these last two seasons....
From that view I like what's been said so far fwiw. Also his strengths are at minimum our weaknesses - he's great w/ QBs so the Eli situation should be in decent hands. He was part of revamping a weaker inconsistent OL, dealing w/ injuries thru the year iirc. And regardless of the QB situation (injuries, mediocrity), loss of one of their top skill player in Cook MN was a top team
Nothing is set in stone but I like how that's lined up, and what we've done in FA / draft
No doubt. It's probably more accurate to look at MN's RB usage last year. Still I envision / hope for SB having a Devonta Freeman type effect in Atl for our O. Not saying he's the same player either, but just that level of versatility, athleticism and home run threat. Can't help but get excited at the potential, esp w/ this coach's past RB usage
I am treading cautiously.....one year is not going to work for me(unless he is a complete failure).....after two years, we will know what we have in DG and Shurm.....
It's hard to believe that we will be not be better....but I just don't know until I see how this team plays after the next two seasons...
Is this a playoff team that will make some noise? I don't think so, but I believe we are headed in the right direction.....another good draft, and replacement of players via free agency could finally put us in that position next season.....
I am cautiously optimistic for the up coming season.....I can't believe that Shurm will run an offense like Mac did these last two seasons....
I most certainly did not want MacAdoo as HC. You can want to move on from TC but have wanted someone else.
Ironically once the D was fixed if we kept TC another year it may have resulted in a much deeper playoff run
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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...
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Yup 100% false. We heavily scouted Lauletta and had a second round grade on him.
Hmmm, and yet he was taken in 4th round. Which is why Shurmur had to push for it.
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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...
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Yeah I don’t get it either. It’s a baseless claim and even if Shurmur wanted a QB at 2 it doesn’t mean he’s disappointed they didn’t go that route.
Didn't say he was disappointed, only what he likely wanted.
But even still. I think after 2016, most of us thought Ben McAdoo was a great hire and was going to be "the guy" for a long time.
He didn't even make it through the very next season.
Think about that.
Things can change and sour quickly. Confidence is nice. But Shurmur has his work cut out for him here.
People raved about Reese after his first draft. Now the story is the only success he had was due to EA and he’s run out of town.
I hear so many remarks like “refreshing” etc. I don’t care if a coach or GM is charismatic in front of the media. Rex Ryan was charasnatic and thot got real old when he stopped winning. Lots of love right now, but if they passed on an elite QB the honeymoon won’t last long.
I understand the optimism. But results are what matter. If they’re good, they’ll earn the praise. Right now is more like cheerleading.
I've been learning more and more to trust DG & PS because they make good sense time and time again. They are smart men who handle their business the right way.
I really grew to despise Reese & McAdoo as they continually threw good men under the bus in attempts to save themselves and further their charades. All is right in Giantland once again. It's almost surreal. Go Big Blue!
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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...
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Yup 100% false. We heavily scouted Lauletta and had a second round grade on him.
Hmmm, and yet he was taken in 4th round. Which is why Shurmur had to push for it.
Yawn same old boring bullshit thoughts that have 0% merit. You make the claim why not show even a little bit of proof? Oh that’s right because there isn’t any
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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...
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Yup 100% false. We heavily scouted Lauletta and had a second round grade on him.
Hmmm, and yet he was taken in 4th round. Which is why Shurmur had to push for it.
Yawn same old boring bullshit thoughts that have 0% merit. You make the claim why not show even a little bit of proof? Oh that’s right because there isn’t any
Yawn youself. Are you suggesting Shurmur didn't want Lauletta?
If any coach is going to get Eli back on track, we have the right guy.
I feel confident enough in Shurmur's ability to coach and work with QB's that if Eli looks shot again in 2018, I think we'll know that it's not the coaching and it's just that Eli has hit that wall.
So, for all of the people who have been entrenched in the "Eli is done/Eli is not done" debate all these months/years - I think we're going to get a definitive answer this season.
With me it's more about experience. Mac was a complete unknown, he really had no resume.
I am treading cautiously.....one year is not going to work for me(unless he is a complete failure).....after two years, we will know what we have in DG and Shurm.....
It's hard to believe that we will be not be better....but I just don't know until I see how this team plays after the next two seasons...
Is this a playoff team that will make some noise? I don't think so, but I believe we are headed in the right direction.....another good draft, and replacement of players via free agency could finally put us in that position next season.....
I am cautiously optimistic for the up coming season.....I can't believe that Shurm will run an offense like Mac did these last two seasons....
Good post, completely agree. I have felt all offseason that we are gearing up to do our best this year and shore up some holes next offseason (CB, RT) to make a serious run the following year. Never know, I didn’t expect them to win in 2007 or 2011 going into the season and look what happened. If we can stay relatively healthy this year and get hot at the right time anything can happen. From a schedule perspective, the first half is brutal, if we can get out of there 5-3 or 4-4 we have a chance to make a run in the second half of the season.
You're right - but it's worth mentioning what team it was with and the fact that in the last 20 years, the Browns had like 3 years total where they did any better than they did with Shurmur.
I think they had one solid year with Crennel, one or two okay years with Butch Davis and one "respectable" year with Mike Pettine.
Shurmur is very much unproven as a HC - but I think he does have a solid resume as an offensive guy and has done some pretty good work with QB's. He's certainly more proven than McAdoo was when we first hired him.
Nothing is guaranteed at all. But I do think Pat Shurmur is a good offensive coach and I think he will be much better for both Eli and the young guys than McAdoo was.
Given what our choices were and who was available - I think this was probably our best option. We'll see how it plays out.
I have no idea what Shumur was thinking ,wanting during draft....but he does seems genuinely pleased with how the team is forming.
+1. I like Collins. He is a great player, but his media appearances seem to be getting him in trouble so far. He needs to apply all that tuff love we hear from him inside the locker room. His instincts are good, but we don't need to ever hear about it. He needs to be more like Eli with the media. When they ask about team business he needs to basicly no comment the media however he feels most comfortable doing so. No more publicly throwing teammates under the bus.... No matter how much they deserve it.
This is based off your ability to read minds? I love when people on Bbi write crap as fact. Shurmur clearly felt he can work with Eli and maybe even Webb. He turned keenum into a competent starter. Between lauletta and Webb one will succeed. In Shurmur I trust
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Nip that shit asap.....
I have no idea what Shumur was thinking ,wanting during draft....but he does seems genuinely pleased with how the team is forming.
+1. I like Collins. He is a great player, but his media appearances seem to be getting him in trouble so far. He needs to apply all that tuff love we hear from him inside the locker room. His instincts are good, but we don't need to ever hear about it. He needs to be more like Eli with the media. When they ask about team business he needs to basicly no comment the media however he feels most comfortable doing so. No more publicly throwing teammates under the bus.... No matter how much they deserve it.
Same here. It's refreshing to see the HC step up an tell a player to shut up about internal goings on.