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NFT: Mets-Phillies: deGromís CRAZY first inning.

Beezer : 5/13/2018 3:18 pm
Odd start in the Mets game.

0-0 after 1.

deGrom threw FORTY-FIVE pitches in the first. Still hung a zero.

Heís done for the day.

20 Philly foul balls. Three walks. Loaded and nobody out.

Holy shit!!! Weird weird stuff.
Gotta figure the elbow is bothering him  
Vanzetti : 5/13/2018 3:25 pm : link
Not a good sign
Lol, heís already out of the game?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 3:25 pm : link
Typical Mets.
Yup, itís a record  
Vanzetti : 5/13/2018 3:49 pm : link
The earned run became a stat in 1913. Since then no pitcher has thrown as many as 45 pitches in the first inning without giving up a run

Lets see if Gsellman  
spike : 5/13/2018 3:51 pm : link
has the stuff to get a spot in the rotation.

He's been better than Vargas and several others.
Did they  
allstarjim : 5/13/2018 3:52 pm : link
Report that the Grom had more elbow discomfort? Did they give any reason at all as far as why he was yanked from the game after only 45 pitches?
degrom  
madgiantscow009 : 5/13/2018 3:52 pm : link
is a gamer. favorite player on the Mets.
If the Mets are going to sell off some players, Iíd consider  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 3:53 pm : link
trading Cespedes if we could get a good return. But in true Mets fashion, Cespedes has a full no trade clause and weíd be at an immediate disadvantage. Because, you know, itís the Mets.

I love Cespedes but the guy canít go two weeks without tweaking something and then we have to go through weeks of poor defense from him because he wonít sit. Iím done.
RE: Did they  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13962457 allstarjim said:
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Report that the Grom had more elbow discomfort? Did they give any reason at all as far as why he was yanked from the game after only 45 pitches?


Weirdly, they took him out just because of the long inning. Said he wasnít hurt but not sure I believe them.
supposedly some managers go by a rule to pull any P who throws 40 in  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2018 4:05 pm : link
the first. I believe Mets said that they did pull him due to pitch count.

re: Cespedes, I don't think anyone is taking on his remaining $75M even if it didn't cost them any prospects.

By and large Sandy hitched himself to the roster that went to the WS. They've had some bad luck and the moves they've made since have been mixed at best, so it's hard to say which direction they should go now that the experiment seems pretty certain to not fully pan out. Knowing they are locked into Bruce and Cespedes for 2 years after this one I'd be tempted to add and do anything I can to get JDG and Thor into the postseason and hope to get lucky.
Doubt they will score today  
spike : 5/13/2018 4:11 pm : link
..
despite Degrom and Syndergaard  
spike : 5/13/2018 4:13 pm : link
the Mets front office will never do enough to truly compete.

Thats their MO.

They are better off trading DeGrom before his arm falls off. He's turning 30 in June.
That is smart pulling Degrom  
Vanzetti : 5/13/2018 4:14 pm : link
If Mets are telling the truth
RE: despite Degrom and Syndergaard  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13962469 spike said:
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the Mets front office will never do enough to truly compete.

Thats their MO.

They are better off trading DeGrom before his arm falls off. He's turning 30 in June.


Unless they get a centerpiece like Moncada (not now, when he was traded for Sale) I don't see the point. And I think it's unlikely they get someone like that.

I completely agree the FO will never do enough to truly compete, so I don't see the point of punting to an even bleaker future. JDG and Thor alone would make them competitive in any series - without sounding too bleak I truly don't think this organization is capable of reaching higher than that.
Gonzalez reminds me of end of the road Carlos Delgado  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2018 4:34 pm : link
get flashes every once in a while. Not bad for $500k but probably not going to make a big difference.
Maybe we can get  
spike : 5/13/2018 4:43 pm : link
The Red Sox or Diamondbacks or Angels to overpay in prospects for Degrom
There are only 5 NL teams with a worse record than NyM  
spike : 5/13/2018 4:47 pm : link
They fell off a cliff after the first two weeks of invincibility
RE: There are only 5 NL teams with a worse record than NyM  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13962491 spike said:
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They fell off a cliff after the first two weeks of invincibility


Invincibility is a good word. They werenít a great team during those first two weeks...they literally just had every single bounce and call go their way. That eventually ends and this is what we have.
Lol Mets  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 4:51 pm : link
Nice job Sewald.
RE: RE: Did they  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/13/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13962462 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13962457 allstarjim said:


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Report that the Grom had more elbow discomfort? Did they give any reason at all as far as why he was yanked from the game after only 45 pitches?



Weirdly, they took him out just because of the long inning. Said he wasnít hurt but not sure I believe them.

The 1 hour rain delay and the wet, chilly weather were also factors.
2 games over .500, rookie manager, might as well give it time  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2018 4:52 pm : link
right now the biggest under achievers on the team are the best young players - Rosario and Conforto. No choice but to ride things out a little and see if they can turn it around.
No Blevins  
GF1080 : 5/13/2018 4:54 pm : link
Callaway has made terrible decisions all year. He got lucky at first because we won in spite of them.
You could see that coming a mile away  
Vanzetti : 5/13/2018 4:54 pm : link
Sewald has been overused. His fastball was 88 mph
This team just doenst know  
spike : 5/13/2018 4:55 pm : link
How to string some hits together.

No one but Cabrera is hitting.
One thing Sandy did right  
Vanzetti : 5/13/2018 5:11 pm : link
Picking up Cabreraís option. This guy has been money all year long
^  
giantsFC : 5/13/2018 5:26 pm : link
Trade him now. He will never get as much of a return. No way he keeps this up. Unless he found Daniel Murphyís secret undetected PED hiding spot
RE: This team just doenst know  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13962498 spike said:
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How to string some hits together.

No one but Cabrera is hitting.


This has been the problem for years. Instead of addressing it, Sandy normally doubles down on the issue buy signing more high strikeout, all or nothing hitters. So, no surprise that we are still in this situation.
The good start the Mets  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2018 6:18 pm : link
had will unfortunately prevent them from being cellar dwellers.

one of the few sports that "rewards" tanking or just sucking maybe the most and the Mets just can't get it right.

Right now Mets are in 15th place.

if they'd simply gone .500 to start the season instead of 11 - 1 they'd be around 5th worst (or 25th).

Of course the season isn't over and I'm not throwing in the towel, but part of the Mets problem rebuilding as opposed to WAS or HOU or teams like TB in the late 90's early 00's is they just haven't been bad enough.

So either be bad, like totally awful rock bottom bad or fix this shit, stop doing just enough to be not be rock bottom bad and not very good and hope things work out like 2015.
I got somewhat suckered back in  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/13/2018 6:37 pm : link
after yesterday's great late win. Started thinking how we have DeGrom going and then Thor and maybe, just maybe we get some momentum built.

Mets'd...
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 8:12 pm : link
It's just not a very good team.

The depth isn't there - that's the problem.

The Mets @ 100% health are a wild card contender but you can't expect that for any team - and you certainly can't expect it from the Mets.

But you see what happens when the top tier guys aren't shouldering the load we need them to.

And not for nothing, but I think you can question Callaway's bullpen decisions just like we were always questioning Collins' if we're going to be fair.

Leaving Sewald in against the lefty with Blevins warm? Familia in the 8th inning?

Not his best decisions.

Yanking deGrom was fine - 45 pitch first inning, you can't leave him in there. I get that it puts you in an unfavorable spot as a manager since you then have to piece together 7 or 8 BP innings. But I still didn't agree with those moves.

It is what it is. The Mets got off to that great start because they were pretty much at full strength. Now, as always, they aren't - so, things are predictably falling apart.

Yeah, it's a long season. It's May 13th and we're still like a game over .500 and right in the NLE mix. But we were like 5-6 games ahead of WSH just a few weeks ago and are already back behind them. We're 2-8 in our last 10.. they're 8-2. That'll do it.

The Mets started 11-1 and are like 10th in the NL now... on May 13th.

Think about how much we had to suck to lose that much ground that much quickly.

This team ain't going anywhere. Not with this lineup.
Blevins has been bad this year and absolutely horrid against lefties  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 8:48 pm : link
I donít blame Callaway for leaving Sewald in against the lefty instead of Blevins. I wouldnít have any trust in Blevins either. Sewald just needed to get one more out.

And the Mets did t get off to the 11-1 start because they were healthy. They got off the fast start because they had a lucky horseshoe stuck up their ass. During that time, the bullpen was the only part of that team (aside from Cabrera) that overachieved. They were lucky, plain and simple.
Rosario is lost  
Bill in TN : 5/13/2018 8:51 pm : link
at the plate. No clue. Needs to go to Vegas to straighten out.
Conforto showing promise. Swing looks awfully good. Just can't lay off bad breaking stuff.
Really like A-Gone at 1B, if he can hit enough. Glove is outstanding.
Familia can not deliver a clean inning. What to do?
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 9:15 pm : link
Well if Callaway isn't going to use Blevins to get a lefty out in a situation like that, there's no point in carrying him. That's what he has his roster spot for.

He's been asking way too much of Sewald. Gsellman is the only reliever who has logged more innings thus far, IIRC - and Gsellman is a converted starter. Eventually, you're going to get diminishing returns there.

Sewald is on pace for like 100+ innings right now. So, that can't continue. If no one else can get outs in those situations, we're fucked anyway.
Arc, I agree. But until this team starts hitting (if ever) Callaway is  
PhiPsi125 : 5/13/2018 9:42 pm : link
going to treat every game as if itís game seven of the WS. He has to. The putrid offense gives him no choice and no breathing room. The offense is a waaaay bigger problem than the pitching is right now.

Iím tired of waiting for health. Iím tired of leaning on the 2015 WS appearance. The reality is, the 2015 team sucked for most of the year and then got lucky at the right time and then rode their pitching through the post season. They werenít some great team, they were a lucky team. That much is evident now.

This team will get hot again at some point which Iím sure will bring out some of those posters that have been in hiding to point it out to everyone. But they will bury their chances well before that. Iíd love to be wrong. But we typically arenít wrong about our Mets, unfortunately.
RE: Rosario is lost  
giantsFC : 5/13/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13962634 Bill in TN said:
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at the plate. No clue. Needs to go to Vegas to straighten out.


I think he was just the newest cart on the met prospect hype train chugging along at full speed right behind the Dilson Herrera cart.
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 9:59 pm : link
I hear ya.

I feel like we've had an uncharacteristic amount of very short starts - but somehow, our bullpen isn't even in the top half of the league in IP. I was surprised to see that.

But it doesn't matter because our bullpen hasn't been good anyway.

7th highest FIP. 23rd in fWAR. 6th highest HR rate.

So, the bullpen isn't good right now. Our best SP seems to be walking on thin ice and who knows if he's going to even make it through his next start let alone the season.

The lineup is going exactly where I figured it would. Just jumped into the bottom third of the league and it doesn't look like we'll be moving back up any time soon.

Before long, Mets threads are just going to be you and I complaining. LOL.
I'll check in every now and then to complain  
moespree : 5/13/2018 10:01 pm : link
I'm very good at it when it comes to the Mets.
RE: I'll check in every now and then to complain  
arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13962675 moespree said:
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I'm very good at it when it comes to the Mets.


I feel like I really sharpened my complaining skills so far this year. I've been doing more of it than ever.

Probably why most of the regulars aren't around lately.

Sorry, guys!

This team just drives me crazy. I don't ask for much. I just want the fucking team to still be alive and in the mix late in the year. I want the games to matter and want them to have a chance.

Nothing is more deflating than a season just falling completely apart this early.

I know we're not out of the race by any means. We're still over .500. But that doesn't mean much. Being a game over .500 at the end of September doesn't get you near the postseason.

I knew we were playing over our heads to start the year - but my thinking at that point was hey, even if we totally overachieved, it's money in the bank. And now, if we just play like the .500-ish team I expected, we'll be in the mix and have a shot down the stretch.

But, as always, it doesn't work that way with the Mets. We couldn't just come back to earth. We had to completely free fall, bat out of order, and entirely erase the great start we got off to as quickly as we created it.

Just never ending frustration.. and I vent about it a lot here. :)
RE: Yup, itís a record  
Gmanfandan : 5/13/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13962455 Vanzetti said:
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The earned run became a stat in 1913. Since then no pitcher has thrown as many as 45 pitches in the first inning without giving up a run


It already happened this year - Barria threw 49 in the first inning on April 22 - no runs - 21 pitches to one batter - Not even the first time no hits and 45+ pitches - that was done in 2001 by Nick Bierbrodt of the Dbacks against the Cubs in June 2001.

Because of course, the record for most pitches thrown in the first inning is owned by Bartolo Colon (61!) who only got two outs giving up 6 runs on 3 hits and walking 4 - April 9th 1997

Sheesh being a Mets fan is 1) hard 2) fun/weird
RE: degrom  
Gmanfandan : 5/13/2018 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13962458 madgiantscow009 said:
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is a gamer. favorite player on the Mets.


He walked the first three (all on 3-2 counts) struck out 2 of the next 3 and got out of it. Amazing!
Why are the Mets playing so badly?  
CMicks3110 : 5/13/2018 10:37 pm : link
.500 ops from catcher, .598 ops from rosario with non-elite defense, .693 ops from conforto, .762 ops from cespedes, syndergaard pitching like a #2, vargas/harvey atrocious;

the bullpen and the bench have both been above average in my opinion.

We can turn it around with three players performing up to their capabilities, really, and that's syndergaard, cespedes, and conforto. three of the four best players on the team are not performing, and we have three automatic outs at the end of the lineup (catcher, pitcher, rosario)

My solution: send rosario down, move bruce to first to keep nimmo int he lineup, hope vargas can pitch to at least a 4.4 era, plan on moving one of gsellman/lugo to the rotation when swarzak returns, and pray conforto/cespedes/syndergaard can get their shit together.

We can then figure out whether or not to buy or sell at the trade deadline, but we need to stop the bleeding now.

I am optimistic about the farm system. There are some elite prospects in the top 10 in this year's draft (we're #6 and have 3 picks in the top 80 i believe); we have alonso, peterson, kay, gimenez as our core 4 right now and a ton of relief prospects, you add in a top notch prospect like joey bart or shane mclanahan, with some other young pitchers coming back next year like humphreys and szapucki. And we can have a top 15 farm system, which is enough to make some trades.

Alonso  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2018 10:39 pm : link
HR'd again today.
RE: Why are the Mets playing so badly?  
arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13962697 CMicks3110 said:
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.500 ops from catcher, .598 ops from rosario with non-elite defense, .693 ops from conforto, .762 ops from cespedes, syndergaard pitching like a #2, vargas/harvey atrocious;

the bullpen and the bench have both been above average in my opinion.

We can turn it around with three players performing up to their capabilities, really, and that's syndergaard, cespedes, and conforto. three of the four best players on the team are not performing, and we have three automatic outs at the end of the lineup (catcher, pitcher, rosario)

My solution: send rosario down, move bruce to first to keep nimmo int he lineup, hope vargas can pitch to at least a 4.4 era, plan on moving one of gsellman/lugo to the rotation when swarzak returns, and pray conforto/cespedes/syndergaard can get their shit together.

We can then figure out whether or not to buy or sell at the trade deadline, but we need to stop the bleeding now.

I am optimistic about the farm system. There are some elite prospects in the top 10 in this year's draft (we're #6 and have 3 picks in the top 80 i believe); we have alonso, peterson, kay, gimenez as our core 4 right now and a ton of relief prospects, you add in a top notch prospect like joey bart or shane mclanahan, with some other young pitchers coming back next year like humphreys and szapucki. And we can have a top 15 farm system, which is enough to make some trades.


The problems here are...

If you send Rosario down, we get even worse offensively because Reyes has been absolutely putrid. We have very few options. I guess you could ask Cabrera to play SS again, but then that's probably a defensive downgrade - you'd have to play Flores @ 2B most days.

Moving Bruce to 1st helps get Nimmo in the lineup - but I don't see Callaway making A-Gon a full time bench guy, and Bruce hasn't been any better at the dish. A-Gon is at least sure handed defensively.

So, if you put Bruce @ 1B on a more permanent basis, you get a downgrade defensively.

As far as Vargas - I think the guy just absolutely sucks. I don't know what types of sorcery went into that first half he had last year, but the 2nd half pitcher is the real Jason Vargas and boy is he awful.

I don't even want him in the bullpen. He is terrible. I have no idea what Sandy Alderson saw that made him think a 2 year deal for this player was a good idea.

Would have been better off bringing Bartolo back for 1 year.
I'm with you Arc  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/13/2018 11:00 pm : link
when they signed Vargas I threw up in my mouth
it's hard to talk about bc the reality is the short window they had is  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2018 11:00 pm : link
basically closed. And as much as we hope a good move here or there can supersede this organization's unique combination of cheapness, ineptitude, and general bad luck - it can't. Todd Frazier can't get the stench of wilpon out of lockerroom, he can only mask it for a little while. The fish rots from the head down. Somehow they're even ruining the 2 most exciting homegrown players since Wright/Reyes.

And the chaser is once Sandy moves on things likely get worse, not better. That's why I see no point in selling off the few legitimate stars they have unless they can get another younger star back. Crossing our fingers that Conforto and Rosario turn it around, Cespedes gets healthy, and JDG/Thor stay healthy is probably the best statistical chance for the postseason we can get with this ownership group.
RE: RE: Why are the Mets playing so badly?  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2018 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13962704 arcarsenal said:
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The problems here are...

If you send Rosario down, we get even worse offensively because Reyes has been absolutely putrid. We have very few options. I guess you could ask Cabrera to play SS again, but then that's probably a defensive downgrade - you'd have to play Flores @ 2B most days.

Moving Bruce to 1st helps get Nimmo in the lineup - but I don't see Callaway making A-Gon a full time bench guy, and Bruce hasn't been any better at the dish. A-Gon is at least sure handed defensively.

So, if you put Bruce @ 1B on a more permanent basis, you get a downgrade defensively.

As far as Vargas - I think the guy just absolutely sucks. I don't know what types of sorcery went into that first half he had last year, but the 2nd half pitcher is the real Jason Vargas and boy is he awful.

I don't even want him in the bullpen. He is terrible. I have no idea what Sandy Alderson saw that made him think a 2 year deal for this player was a good idea.

Would have been better off bringing Bartolo back for 1 year.


I didn't like the move to bring back Bruce, but I bought in on the other moves and man was I wrong. The problem with Vargas is that it's probably more on the coaching staff than Sandy - which is not in any way comforting. I truly don't know why they didn't give Colon a shot these last 2 years with how much he had supposedly helped in the clubhouse. As a flier they had nothing to lose.

The scariest aspect of this season so far is how bad the results have been with literally every single pitcher other than JDG, Thor, and Familia. The new regime said they saw something in Harvey in the offseason and he barely made it a month.
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 11:11 pm : link
I was saying this the other day - but this team needs a star position player to shoot up through the system in the worst way. It is happening all over the league. There are TONS of young impact hitters.

Conforto was fantastic last year - and I do still think he's got the ability. But of course, he gets hurt swinging last year and so far this year, just hasn't been the same guy yet. .939 OPS last year... .693 this year.

And it's not like he just got back. This is about 30 games now.

Rosario is lost. He swings at everything. Never walks. He can and should improve. But given how untouchable he was in potential trades, we need so much more than this.

Maybe Alonso can be the big time bopper. But I'm not holding my breath.

Just so many easy outs in this lineup. It's impossible to put big innings together.
RE: RE: RE: Why are the Mets playing so badly?  
arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13962713 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13962704 arcarsenal said:


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The problems here are...

If you send Rosario down, we get even worse offensively because Reyes has been absolutely putrid. We have very few options. I guess you could ask Cabrera to play SS again, but then that's probably a defensive downgrade - you'd have to play Flores @ 2B most days.

Moving Bruce to 1st helps get Nimmo in the lineup - but I don't see Callaway making A-Gon a full time bench guy, and Bruce hasn't been any better at the dish. A-Gon is at least sure handed defensively.

So, if you put Bruce @ 1B on a more permanent basis, you get a downgrade defensively.

As far as Vargas - I think the guy just absolutely sucks. I don't know what types of sorcery went into that first half he had last year, but the 2nd half pitcher is the real Jason Vargas and boy is he awful.

I don't even want him in the bullpen. He is terrible. I have no idea what Sandy Alderson saw that made him think a 2 year deal for this player was a good idea.

Would have been better off bringing Bartolo back for 1 year.



I didn't like the move to bring back Bruce, but I bought in on the other moves and man was I wrong. The problem with Vargas is that it's probably more on the coaching staff than Sandy - which is not in any way comforting. I truly don't know why they didn't give Colon a shot these last 2 years with how much he had supposedly helped in the clubhouse. As a flier they had nothing to lose.

The scariest aspect of this season so far is how bad the results have been with literally every single pitcher other than JDG, Thor, and Familia. The new regime said they saw something in Harvey in the offseason and he barely made it a month.


Frazier was still a good move, IMO - but beyond that - it's just more of the same. It feels like Alderson just keeps trying to construct this same lineup type and it's not working.

I agree on the pitching. Doesn't seem like anyone is really benefitting here outside of deGrom (who was already a stud in the past) and a couple others.

Blevins has been miserable. Ramos is eh.

The only thing saving our pen right now is having Lugo and Gsellman in there. Sewald has been good but Callaway has been asking too much of him.

Just doesn't feel like anything has really changed.
RE: RE: Did they  
gmenatlarge : 5/14/2018 8:25 am : link
In comment 13962462 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13962457 allstarjim said:


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Report that the Grom had more elbow discomfort? Did they give any reason at all as far as why he was yanked from the game after only 45 pitches?



Weirdly, they took him out just because of the long inning. Said he wasnít hurt but not sure I believe them.


Let's see typical mets result would be another MRI and then season-ending surgery...
RE: Why are the Mets playing so badly?  
gmenatlarge : 5/14/2018 8:30 am : link
In comment 13962697 CMicks3110 said:
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.500 ops from catcher, .598 ops from rosario with non-elite defense, .693 ops from conforto, .762 ops from cespedes, syndergaard pitching like a #2, vargas/harvey atrocious;

the bullpen and the bench have both been above average in my opinion.

We can turn it around with three players performing up to their capabilities, really, and that's syndergaard, cespedes, and conforto. three of the four best players on the team are not performing, and we have three automatic outs at the end of the lineup (catcher, pitcher, rosario)

My solution: send rosario down, move bruce to first to keep nimmo int he lineup, hope vargas can pitch to at least a 4.4 era, plan on moving one of gsellman/lugo to the rotation when swarzak returns, and pray conforto/cespedes/syndergaard can get their shit together.

We can then figure out whether or not to buy or sell at the trade deadline, but we need to stop the bleeding now.

I am optimistic about the farm system. There are some elite prospects in the top 10 in this year's draft (we're #6 and have 3 picks in the top 80 i believe); we have alonso, peterson, kay, gimenez as our core 4 right now and a ton of relief prospects, you add in a top notch prospect like joey bart or shane mclanahan, with some other young pitchers coming back next year like humphreys and szapucki. And we can have a top 15 farm system, which is enough to make some trades.


Uhh, maybe because this team basically sucks with a lot of old players and newbies who aren't panning out. Look at this lineup and tell me which spots they are better than average besides Cespedes, you can't and in some cases woefully below average (catcher). The future is not bright for this team without some kind of influx of talent, which I don't know where it's coming from, certainly not FA with the Wilponzis.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why are the Mets playing so badly?  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 13962716 arcarsenal said:
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Frazier was still a good move, IMO - but beyond that - it's just more of the same. It feels like Alderson just keeps trying to construct this same lineup type and it's not working.

I agree on the pitching. Doesn't seem like anyone is really benefitting here outside of deGrom (who was already a stud in the past) and a couple others.

Blevins has been miserable. Ramos is eh.

The only thing saving our pen right now is having Lugo and Gsellman in there. Sewald has been good but Callaway has been asking too much of him.

Just doesn't feel like anything has really changed.


Ownership is the problem and that hasn't changed. I agree that Sandy's strategies have been outdated, especially offensively, but with the Wilpons as owners it's like trying to build a nice house on a superfund site on top of an indian burial ground.
Im just amazed  
spike : 5/14/2018 10:53 am : link
How none of the positional young players have not panned out.

Flores Nimmo TDA Rosario and even Conforto. Soon Smith.

They are batting below the mendoza line in player development. Other teams would bat 300 or higher.
RE: Im just amazed  
dep026 : 5/14/2018 10:57 am : link
In comment 13962954 spike said:
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How none of the positional young players have not panned out.

Flores Nimmo TDA Rosario and even Conforto. Soon Smith.

They are batting below the mendoza line in player development. Other teams would bat 300 or higher.


This is why reading or following top lists is meaningless. The phillies had high regards for Crawford, Franco, and Kingery and they havent panned out yet or at least this year. Dom Brown was all the way up to number 3. The phillies 3 best hitters right now.... Hoskins, Herrera, Hernandez - never made a top list.
RE: One thing Sandy did right  
gmenatlarge : 5/16/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 13962510 Vanzetti said:
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Picking up Cabreraís option. This guy has been money all year long


Cabrera is a physical trainwreck, there is no way he doesn't end up on the DL this year, just a matter of time. (Along with Cespedes)
RE: RE: Im just amazed  
Eric on Li : 5/16/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13962963 dep026 said:
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In comment 13962954 spike said:


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How none of the positional young players have not panned out.

Flores Nimmo TDA Rosario and even Conforto. Soon Smith.

They are batting below the mendoza line in player development. Other teams would bat 300 or higher.



This is why reading or following top lists is meaningless. The phillies had high regards for Crawford, Franco, and Kingery and they havent panned out yet or at least this year. Dom Brown was all the way up to number 3. The phillies 3 best hitters right now.... Hoskins, Herrera, Hernandez - never made a top list.


Top prospect lists remind me of college football recruiting rankings. Everyone gets the phenoms/freaks right. Most of the high ranked guys are living off their draft hype and since the highly ranked guys are outnumbered by lesser knowns who are at worst very similarly talented, the law of averages allows just as many under the radar guys to pan out. Familia and Degrom were never higher than the fringe of the Mets top 10 lists either.
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