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My ten reasons why the Giants will win at least nine games

Lowell : 5/13/2018 5:13 pm
1. Gettleman
2. Shurmur
3. Barclay
4. Oline upgrade
5. Beckham
6. Eli (How could any quarterback succeed with no running game, Flowers and Hart as bookends, Lewis, King and Marshall as receivers. Eli will be good this year.)
7. The new defense. The Giants suffered from lack of a pass rush especially from the inside. OV had tons of pressures but few sacks because qbs could simply step up in the unchallenged pocket. Gettleman and Betch are trying to fix that with the addition of Hill and McIntosh. A penetrating one gap defense will result in more TFLs and stuffs and that will present many more pass rush opportunities. I think Betch will find ways to bring the heat.
8. Dline rotation insuring fresher players in the fourth quarter.
9. Vastly improved linebacker play. Hey, we've got linebackers!
10. A much better locker room vibration. Even though they're young Barclay, Hernandez, Zo, Lauletta and Hill exemplify the attitude that you want. Veterans like Solder will also promote harmony in the room. It will be a much happier and consequently a more productive family.
Barclay  
kelsto811 : 5/13/2018 5:15 pm : link
The bank?
#3  
jurban : 5/13/2018 5:16 pm : link
whose this new guy we got.....Barclay???
I was just checking to see  
Lowell : 5/13/2018 5:21 pm : link
if you were paying attention.
RE: #3  
jnoble : 5/13/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13962514 jurban said:
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whose this new guy we got.....Barclay???


No jewelz, just regular?
you are really banking on #3  
micky : 5/13/2018 5:32 pm : link
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RE: RE: #3  
SterlingArcher : 5/13/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13962520 jnoble said:
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In comment 13962514 jurban said:


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whose this new guy we got.....Barclay???



No jewelz, just regular?
You came to the wrong site to make a spelling mistake, you will get eaten alive here!
If we win 6 games -  
short lease : 5/13/2018 6:08 pm : link
I will consider the season a success.
RE: If we win 6 games -  
djm : 5/13/2018 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13962551 short lease said:
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I will consider the season a success.


Oh please. You happy with spoiled hot dogs on the grill too? 6 wins is never a success. Not even in 2004. 6 wins is garbage and I guarantee you no matter how that 6 wins transpires in 2018, not one giants fan including yourself will be content with it.

Anything short of a winning record will be disappointing.
On the Money Lowell  
GMen23 : 5/13/2018 7:12 pm : link
There's a lot of reasons for Spring optimism. My feelings from Thanksgiving to Mother's Day about this teams ability to compete, are about 180 degree turnaround.
The Giants are in a win now mode with Eli  
joeinpa : 5/13/2018 7:19 pm : link
6 wins would be a disastrous result for that plan, 9 wins and no play offs would have to be considered a disappointment
Lowell...well played on your just checking to see....  
NYRiese : 5/13/2018 8:53 pm : link
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No one knows what our record will end up  
George from PA : 5/13/2018 9:07 pm : link
More then 3 wins is probably safe...but this team could end up anywhere....both good or bad.

Fix OL....once that is done.

Then other questions can be answered....one way or the other...
16-0  
rdt288 : 5/13/2018 9:42 pm : link
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That defense though  
giantsFC : 5/13/2018 10:03 pm : link
Could be a huge black hole of fail waiting to open up by week 3. Im very scared of this transition to a 3-4. I will always think its easoer to transition to a 4-3 than to a 3-4 base.
Also Couple good players dumped and replaced w some mid level draft picks and free agent scrap types.

RE: No one knows what our record will end up  
old man : 5/13/2018 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13962646 George from PA said:
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More then 3 wins is probably safe...but this team could end up anywhere....both good or bad.

Fix OL....once that is done.

Then other questions can be answered....one way or the other...

+1.
You don't know until the games are played.
Given the new HC, system s, player turnover, rookies expected to start(almost) immediately,injuries(please noooo!!!), the bounce of the ball, and that schedule,
9 Ls may be a better arrow indicator for the direction of the team than 2016,s 11-5 and false hope.
Why stop there!?  
TC : 5/13/2018 11:54 pm : link
I want them to win the championship! So, that how it works, hmm? OK!

11. Eleven players on the field at the same time!

12. All wearing the same uniforms!

13. Using a football made of leather!

14. Playing on a field 100 yards long!

15. And who eat lunch at Bareli's!

That takes us to 14 wins. Should at least get us in the playoffs!
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arcarsenal : 5/14/2018 12:05 am : link
Saquon Barclay is going to be a beast.
RE: The Giants are in a win now mode with Eli  
kes722 : 5/14/2018 6:53 am : link
In comment 13962593 joeinpa said:
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6 wins would be a disastrous result for that plan, 9 wins and no play offs would have to be considered a disappointment


Im not trying to be a dick here, i hate that saying.

Evey team, every year, is a win now team. "Rebuilding" doesnt really happen anymore unless your Cleveland or another completely dysfunctional org.

Some teams will put emphasise on certain areas but very rarely is there a complete rebuild anymore.
Kes  
joeinpa : 5/14/2018 7:05 am : link
Your statement is true, to some extent

But, if the Giants had taken a quarterback with their first pick, no matter how they would spin it, that would not have been all in on Eli.

Their draft was about becoming a contender before Eli s tenure is done. How many years is that, 1, 4 at the most. They have spoken, this is not a rebuild.

I stand by my original opinion
I will go with reasons 2, 3, 4 and 5  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2018 7:59 am : link
so add those 4 to last year's total of three and we will win 7 games.

And you can take that to the bank...Barclay's Bank.
RE: Barclay  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/14/2018 8:31 am : link
In comment 13962513 kelsto811 said:
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The bank?


Will they or the dline rotation insure fresher plAyer rotations? What's the premium?
Very Tough Schedule  
Angus : 5/14/2018 9:26 am : link
Losses could snowball this year with a transition to a fundamentally new defense. Either way, need to stay the course.
Not one mention of injuries so far.  
Brown Recluse : 5/14/2018 11:05 am : link
All this positive stuff is great, but damn - with the exception of 2016 - injuries always seem to ruin this teams season.

I want to know how that will change this season.
Serious?  
Giantslifer : 5/14/2018 2:40 pm : link
Giants are favored in 3 games this season.
My bet is 5-11
What in the holy hell  
Beezer : 5/14/2018 3:12 pm : link
is the attitude that a 6-win season would be a SUCCESS?

There have been a lot of changes all over the roster, front office, coaching staff. We still have a lot of really talented players, and ones that seemed to cause drama are either gone or on notice.

How in the world would 6 wins be a success?

That would completely SUCK!!!
It actually would be 100% better  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2018 3:20 pm : link
than last year...
We went 11-5 in 2016  
Knee of Theismann : 5/14/2018 3:21 pm : link
and 3-13 in 2017 with essentially the same roster and coaching staff. Now we have a new GM, new coaching staff, and very much a revamped roster between a couple big trades, FA signings, and premium draft picks... Anyone who says predicting 2018 isn't just a crapshoot is fooling themselves. I could literally see us going anywhere from 4-12 to 12-4.
HEALTH.  
x meadowlander : 5/14/2018 3:27 pm : link
If the injury monster that has feasted on this team for a half decade rears it's ugly head again, the Giants won't win dick.

THAT is what I'm looking forward to more than anything. I've honestly lost quite a bit of interest in recent years because of injuries.

What joy is it to watch guys come off their sofa's to start at WR?
RE: Very Tough Schedule  
Knee of Theismann : 5/14/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13962843 Angus said:
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Losses could snowball this year with a transition to a fundamentally new defense. Either way, need to stay the course.


The 2nd half of the schedule is not tough at all. If things come together by the midway point in the season, we could absolutely make a run against those opponents. If we can somehow make it through the first half of the season 4-4, I think we have a very good chance at going 10-6.
RE: RE: If we win 6 games -  
short lease : 5/14/2018 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13962587 djm said:
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In comment 13962551 short lease said:


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I will consider the season a success.



Oh please. You happy with spoiled hot dogs on the grill too? 6 wins is never a success. Not even in 2004. 6 wins is garbage and I guarantee you no matter how that 6 wins transpires in 2018, not one giants fan including yourself will be content with it.

Anything short of a winning record will be disappointing.


You can't be serious ... I do not expect for The Giant's "Rome" to be built in a day. If we finish 7-9 you wouldn't be like "okay at least we are moving in the right direction now"?

We have all the Offensive weapons we need (maybe a short a valid #2 WR .... that will be signed after vet cuts in Sept.?) ... but, until that OL proves it to me - I cannot be optimistic. It all starts and stops right there.
RE: What in the holy hell  
short lease : 5/14/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13963463 Beezer said:
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is the attitude that a 6-win season would be a SUCCESS?

There have been a lot of changes all over the roster, front office, coaching staff. We still have a lot of really talented players, and ones that seemed to cause drama are either gone or on notice.

How in the world would 6 wins be a success?

That would completely SUCK!!!


Yeah, it kinda would Beez ... I really think the Giants are loaded with offensive weapons. But, although the team made some significant changes to the OL in the off-season - that unit still has to prove it to me. On paper they look much improved ...

Doubling the 3 of wins we had last season would be a step in the right direction. I hope we go 16-0 but, after the debacle of last season - I will take a doubling of the wins as a significant step up. And, then if they double the wins again in 2019 (12 wins) - that would be a great turnaround (IMO) in a relatively short amount of time.

8-8  
Rong5611 : 5/14/2018 7:57 pm : link
Id be happy with that. Very tough schedule.
I don't get it......  
Doomster : 5/14/2018 9:30 pm : link
How do you make predictions before even one preseason game is played?

There are still a lot of holes in both units.....RT, RG, WR, uncertainty of OBj......DE, DT, LB, FS, CB(2)......

Until we see this OL play as a unit, until we see if Eli's clock has been reset, until we see OBj play like the old OBj, until we see some of Shurm's schemes, we have no idea how much improvement this offense will make.....

Defense? 3-4 or 4-3? The only way we get some semblance of a pass rush, Bettcher will have to be very "creative".....when was the last drafted Giant DLman a force as a rookie? Think a third and fifth round picks are those guys? Carter? Plenty of speed as long as no one is in front of him.....I don't see him manhandling NFL tackles.....in coverage? That remains to be seen....

We do have more talent at LBer than we have had in a long time....

But the defensive backfield is a huge question mark...Jenkins, when healthy, is our best....Which Collins shows up this year? Apple has to really elevate his game.....FS is just manned by bodies....who is the 3rd CB?

Neither unit can afford a serious injury(s), with no depth at all......

But I hope Shurm, plays his regs, more in preseason, than the Giants have done the last couple of seasons, to be ready right out of the gate......
Bettcher will be one of the top reasons  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/14/2018 10:57 pm : link
As well. This a young coach who is getting better himself.

He will have enough talent to brew up some effective attacking schemes.
RE: We went 11-5 in 2016  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/14/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13963472 Knee of Theismann said:
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and 3-13 in 2017 with essentially the same roster and coaching staff. Now we have a new GM, new coaching staff, and very much a revamped roster between a couple big trades, FA signings, and premium draft picks... Anyone who says predicting 2018 isn't just a crapshoot is fooling themselves. I could literally see us going anywhere from 4-12 to 12-4.


Common denominator? O system sucked both years under a HC more responsible for the offense.

2nd year entire team realized he was in over his head and lost hope.
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