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Ereck Flowers is back

Anakim : 5/14/2018 11:06 am
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Former first-round pick Ereck Flowers, who has missed the Giantsí off-season program, returned to work and the teamsí training facility today, per source.

A trade is still an option, but for now, the Giants intend to play him at right tackle.
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Pictures...  
GFAN52 : 5/14/2018 1:11 pm : link
Need to see pictures of him at the facility.
RE: I defended this guy for two years.  
Earl the goat : 5/14/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13963154 Klaatu said:
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I'm through defending him, although as long as he's wearing the uniform I'll root for him. Maybe he gets his shit together and becomes a serviceable RT - maybe he doesn't. One thing's for sure, he's not getting anything handed to him this year.


As I can remember you defended Bromley too
Are we stuck with Flowers as starter for the entire year?  
Marty in Albany : 5/14/2018 1:15 pm : link
1. Our CURRENT roster does not seem to have a better alternative for RT.
2. We probably won't trade for a veteran RT since WR, and defense seem to be a higher priority than RT. So,

are there any FA veteran Tackles out there who are available?
RE: RE: I defended this guy for two years.  
Klaatu : 5/14/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13963263 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 13963154 Klaatu said:


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I'm through defending him, although as long as he's wearing the uniform I'll root for him. Maybe he gets his shit together and becomes a serviceable RT - maybe he doesn't. One thing's for sure, he's not getting anything handed to him this year.



As I can remember you defended Bromley too


I did.
RE: RE: RE: I defended this guy for two years.  
Earl the goat : 5/14/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13963273 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13963263 Earl the goat said:


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In comment 13963154 Klaatu said:


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I'm through defending him, although as long as he's wearing the uniform I'll root for him. Maybe he gets his shit together and becomes a serviceable RT - maybe he doesn't. One thing's for sure, he's not getting anything handed to him this year.



As I can remember you defended Bromley too



I did.



Reese really reached for players. His mid round picks were just awful
New coaches, new HC and system.  
TMS : 5/14/2018 1:26 pm : link
Give Flowers a chance to fit in here. Last year was his best year. Lets not make a mistake. Obviously we had a front office in turmoil before TC, was sacrificed. New team, new management. Give them a chance with everything. MO.
I've never made excuses for Flowers. Won't start today.  
Beezer : 5/14/2018 1:28 pm : link

I still have hope, though. The guy is 24 years old, and ... well, some guys just aren't very mature at that age.

If he can pull it together, it would be a nice story, 6-7 years from now, to be able to say he had a rough start but really had a decent career once things fell into place.

For that reason only, I won't shit on the guy.

All that said, if the Giants cut him (or traded him) tomorrow ...

A recurrent theme....  
Bill L : 5/14/2018 1:31 pm : link
You can't force a pick just based on need or whimsy.

True stuff whether it was for flowers or this past draft.
Flowers  
PaulN : 5/14/2018 1:34 pm : link
Should have started out at Right Tackle, now at this point he will stink there also, as he has stunk at left tackle, playing only to justify the pick for the great Jerry Reese. Probably the biggest reason McAdoo got the head coaching job, because he was going to go along with everything Reese wanted, only problem was that it lead to the Giants sucking. But he got one more good season when he went out and spent about 100,000,000 million dollars to fix the defense since he sucked at drafting. We all hope the light goes on for Flowers, but moving him to a different position at this point when he never mastered his original position just seems like a useless move.
RE:  
Klaatu : 5/14/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13963281 Earl the goat said:
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Reese really reached for players. His mid round picks were just awful


His mid-round reaches never bothered me as much as some of his early round choices, such as Eli Apple instead of Taylor Decker, Prince Amukamara instead of Anthony Costanzo, Clint Sintim instead of Max Unger, Justin Pugh instead of Tyler Eifert, or David Wilson instead of...take your pick, BBI fave, Cordy Glenn, or my fave, Vinny Curry.
RE: Flowers  
Bill L : 5/14/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13963297 PaulN said:
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Should have started out at Right Tackle, now at this point he will stink there also, as he has stunk at left tackle, playing only to justify the pick for the great Jerry Reese. Probably the biggest reason McAdoo got the head coaching job, because he was going to go along with everything Reese wanted, only problem was that it lead to the Giants sucking. But he got one more good season when he went out and spent about 100,000,000 million dollars to fix the defense since he sucked at drafting. We all hope the light goes on for Flowers, but moving him to a different position at this point when he never mastered his original position just seems like a useless move.
I do wonder what would have happened had Beatty not gotten injured.
RE: RE: RE: flowers will continue to be exposed  
Brown Recluse : 5/14/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13963205 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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by faster more agile athletes on the edge, its why he is destined to be an interior lineman but the giants are DELUSIONAL.



You're WRONG or TROLLING. Is that why the new regime already replaced him at LT and said all other positions are up for grabs?



Motherfucker, have you played football? I played at a D1 NCAA level for 2 seasons, started at RT and had to be moved to Guard for specifically the very same issues that Flowers struggles with. IDM if he plays left or right, he cant FUCKING SLIDE! HIS FEET ARE SLOW. He cant play tackle in the NFL, period. I feel like you might work for Rosenhaus PR or something. You are clueless. Watch 5 minutes of film on Flowers, it spells it out on its own. He would be GREAT inside, IMHO!


That escalated quickly.
RE: Flowers  
Beezer : 5/14/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13963297 PaulN said:
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Should have started out at Right Tackle, now at this point he will stink there also, as he has stunk at left tackle


I'm asking this literally ... what evidence is there to be able to say this?

As I posted earlier, he's 24 years old. I have to think that a fair number of O-linemen have started to "get it" and be serviceable players as they got to their mid-20s.

I'm not saying he'll be a 24-year-old Kareem McKenzie. But if he was 7/10s of that kind of player at RT, that might not be so bad for the next 6-7 seasons with Barkley back there.
RE: RE: Flowers  
Brown Recluse : 5/14/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13963305 Bill L said:
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Should have started out at Right Tackle, now at this point he will stink there also, as he has stunk at left tackle, playing only to justify the pick for the great Jerry Reese. Probably the biggest reason McAdoo got the head coaching job, because he was going to go along with everything Reese wanted, only problem was that it lead to the Giants sucking. But he got one more good season when he went out and spent about 100,000,000 million dollars to fix the defense since he sucked at drafting. We all hope the light goes on for Flowers, but moving him to a different position at this point when he never mastered his original position just seems like a useless move.

I do wonder what would have happened had Beatty not gotten injured.


Seems like we wonder this far more often than we should have to.
Still all up to the player  
Bob in Newburgh : 5/14/2018 1:44 pm : link
There have been successful RTs in this League with substantially fewer and lesser physical gifts.
The whole OL rebuild is kind of exciting and interesting.  
Ivan15 : 5/14/2018 1:44 pm : link
Is there a place for Flowers?
Can they find a Center who can beat out Jones?
Will the backups come from the under 25s or the over 30s?
Flowers at RT is not a Hail Mary! That would be moving him to LG.  
Ivan15 : 5/14/2018 1:47 pm : link
And trying to keep hm as a backup on the left side.
RE: He can only improve ...  
Rjanyg : 5/14/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13963187 ij_reilly said:
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Perhaps no Flowers thread is complete without the triple whiff clip. Flowers Triple Whiff Classic - ( New Window )


That is just pathetic.
Flowers  
WillVAB : 5/14/2018 2:31 pm : link
Had terrible technique at LT. Watch any clip and itís obvious what opponents do to him ó force him to take a wide split and beat him with athleticism.

He might be ok at RT with a shorter split/TE help. This would allow him to get his hands on defenders easier. Ultimately I donít think Flowers makes or breaks the season ó Shurmur seems to like the guys behind him. Would definitely be a good thing though if he earns the job and plays well.
When you donít have legitimate answers  
UberAlias : 5/14/2018 2:31 pm : link
The only answer you have is to generate competition. This was McAdooís failure #1.

There is zero downside to having Flowers in the mix competing.
RE: How much was saved by NOT picking up  
est1986 : 5/14/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13963203 Big Blue '56 said:
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his 5th year option?


Even if they picked it up, that 5th year has no guarantee, could have picked it up and then still cut him and saved the whole thing. San Diego did this with Fluker, they picked up the 5th year option and gave him year 4 to see if he would be worth it and they thought he wasnít and cut him right before the 5th year without any harm.. guess DG and company think there isnít enough he could do in this season to warrant that dough no matter what
I see the problem now.....  
Doomster : 5/14/2018 2:39 pm : link
The only person who ever bought an Ereck Flowers jersey...
Jimmy Googs : 12:26 pm : link : reply


He was wearing the wrong number!
The only reason  
GiantsRage2007 : 5/14/2018 2:41 pm : link
He showed up is cause Rosenhaus told him to

The only reason the Giants let him in is to see if they can somehow generate interest to move him for some kind of draft pick

IMO
RE: The only reason  
Klaatu : 5/14/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13963434 GiantsRage2007 said:
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He showed up is cause Rosenhaus told him to

The only reason the Giants let him in is to see if they can somehow generate interest to move him for some kind of draft pick

IMO


Did you think the Giants were not going to let a player they have under contract enter the building? The NFLPA might have had something to say about that.
This time last year, BBI was full of talk about how Flowers took  
baadbill : 5/14/2018 3:06 pm : link
steps to improve himself during the off season... there was so much confidence he was going to be a completely different player.

You know the saying... fool me once...

At this point I'd have to believe Giants fans everywhere will be taking a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to Flowers being a positive contributing factor to this team and locker room.
Aside from the likely ORT  
David B. : 5/14/2018 3:15 pm : link
He's likely gonna be the backup OLT. Hopefully Solder stays healthy.
Even worse was how many on BBI were indicating Flowers  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2018 3:19 pm : link
actually looked better in last year's camp, and for a good part of the season.

Recall plenty of BBI quotes regarding his "quicker feet, better hand placement, developing a punch, didn't give up a sack for X games in a row, he's not the problem on the line this year..."

What a crock of shit...

One good year  
bluetothegrave : 5/14/2018 3:38 pm : link
Would be phenomenal. If he could be, let say the 16th best RT in the NFL this year I would do fucking handstands. Who cares that he might be doing it so he can get paid or go somewhere else in free agency. To me all it means is we had a pretty good RT protecting Eli and opening up holes for saquon. A year is a lifetime and a career unto itself in the NFL.

He has been , like many of Reese's selections absolutely awful. No one except Reese and marc Ross seemed to like him in the first round. Maybe at 24 and at RT instead of LT and in a contract year the light goes on. Lets hope.
I was roundly slammered  
idiotsavant : 5/14/2018 5:53 pm : link
For saying Eric Flowers wasn't the best left tackle on the roster (Pugh) by half you guys.

Now I'm saying 'don't give up on him altogether' either. He might have a decent year at ort

- and would it not be a frigging kick if he kicked ass at it?

Maybe it's a whole different technique in play with the new staff. Different line philosophy, general improvement in his balance, who knows?
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/14/2018 6:16 pm : link
that's what you were slammed at. I think a lot of posters thought we could do better at LT. What they didn't want to do is weaken other positions to slide somebody over. Put Pugh there and the rest of the line weakened.

Having Fluker or Hart playing wasn't optimal. Hart stunk and Fluker played at the same level he has throughout his career and a lot of people acted like he was a stud.
Kiper and Louis Riddick were spot on w/ description of EF on draft day  
FranknWeezer : 5/14/2018 6:16 pm : link
Watch this...
Kiper and Riddick on Flowers (ESPN 2015 Draft Day Coverage) - ( New Window )
Flowers needs a good year  
Reb8thVA : 5/14/2018 6:36 pm : link
So he can convince the Giants or someone else to offer him a one year prove it contract the next year. Hopefully he performs well next year and we can than decide where to go from there. I doubt anyone will invest in a longer term contract with flowers other than a one year prove it deal.
RE: the most likely answer  
81_Great_Dane : 5/14/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13963118 ron mexico said:
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is that this mini camp is mandatory where the last one was not
Seriously.

Sometimes it's as simple as:

"Do I have to go?"

"No, it's voluntary."

"Then I'll skip this minicamp, thanks."

***

"Do I have to go this time?"

"Yes, it's mandatory.

"See you Monday."

Flowers' issues are real but maybe best not to get too worked up about a guy not attending a voluntary camp.
Look, bottom line is he stinks at his job. Flowers is not a dependable  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2018 7:54 pm : link
resource to hold up against a decent pass rusher on first down no less 3rd and long.

Without question, Flowers needs a new position to compete for on the Oline to see if he can just stay in the NFL. The trials and tribulations of the past several years with him at LT have hurt the productivity of our QB, our offense and the team. We can only hope the new coaches can develop a serviceable player out of this disappointing top 10 pick.

Its fairly easy decision for the Giants to give him a chance this summer at Right Tackle. Especially since nobody wanted to touch this clown via a trade offer, and because we have an opening for either a starter and/or a backup Tackle.

Quite simply, if he can't lock down a spot playing Tackle for this particular team...he's hopeless.
RE: Kiper and Louis Riddick were spot on w/ description of EF on draft day  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/15/2018 6:11 am : link
In comment 13963600 FranknWeezer said:
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Watch this... Kiper and Riddick on Flowers (ESPN 2015 Draft Day Coverage) - ( New Window )


That's gotta be the ultimate kick in the balls if you're a GM, Mel f'ing Kiper showing you up with his masterful scouting.

What really was going through the minds of Reese and company.

1) we have a top 10 pick teams often use on a franchise LT
2) Erieck Flowers has a prototype LT body
3) ???
4) PROFIT!!!
Just curious  
Gman11 : 5/15/2018 7:31 am : link
At this point in time, who is the going to play LT if Solder gets injured?
Kiper and company  
Doomster : 5/15/2018 7:35 am : link
did point out his flaws but still thought it was a good pick.....
Plenty of left tackle prospects that have come out in recent years  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2018 7:47 am : link
have failed or underperformed. Prospects at that position that didn't come with questionmarks are very difficult to find.
That is another problem....  
Doomster : 5/15/2018 7:54 am : link
Just curious
Gman11 : 7:31 am : link : reply
At this point in time, who is the going to play LT if Solder gets injured?


There is no depth in the OL, DL, defensive backfield, WR position, etc.

A few key injuries and this season will go south again.....
RE: Kiper and company  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/15/2018 8:18 am : link
In comment 13963930 Doomster said:
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did point out his flaws but still thought it was a good pick.....


GMing pro-tip: don't ever draft someone in the top 10 that can be described as "raw".

Which in hindsight means clumsy and stiff.
Even Gordon Ramsey  
Doomster : 5/15/2018 8:28 am : link
wouldn't have picked him!

RE: Are we stuck with Flowers as starter for the entire year?  
BigBlueJuice : 5/15/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 13963264 Marty in Albany said:
[quote] 1. Our CURRENT roster does not seem to have a better alternative for RT.
2. We probably won't trade for a veteran RT since WR, and defense seem to be a higher priority than RT. So,


Well we did just lose bisnowaty who i thought may be an equal replacement. I honestly feel WR is not a problem. We lack depth yes but how many teams really have depth at WR. Too many WR roster spots just take away from other areas. Sure when its 90 man its fine but when roster is cut no need to have giants hold onto 8 WRs. Cleary retired other day so we lost 2 OL. Need to focus on that so we can make holes for saquan.
RE: That is another problem....  
Gman11 : 5/15/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13963949 Doomster said:
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Just curious
Gman11 : 7:31 am : link : reply
At this point in time, who is the going to play LT if Solder gets injured?


There is no depth in the OL, DL, defensive backfield, WR position, etc.

A few key injuries and this season will go south again.....


I would think that if Solder get injured they would move Flowers back to LT and put Wheeler or whoever else they have at RT. So, if Flowers is all ticked off about being replaced at LT he should be aware that going back there is only an injury away. With the proliferation of injuries in this sport the chance of it happening are pretty good.

So, what I'm saying is Flowers isn't doing himself any favors by his little "holdout." He could be back at LT by the first game. Why he would get all pissy about moving to RT shows a lack of smarts.
Flowers is pissed because he believes, and rightly so,  
GeofromNJ : 5/15/2018 11:42 am : link
that LT makes more money than RT. He thought that if he played LT this year and showed marked improvement, some team, maybe not the Giants, would offer him a very nice free agent contract. Playing RT this year does not allow him to showcase his "improved" LT skills. In fact, not only is RT less lucrative, because he's new at the position, he may appear to be unskilled - hence, no big free agent contract.
If Flowers thinks Right Tackle is less lucrative  
Jimmy Googs : 5/15/2018 11:58 am : link
let me tell you how much his next job is going to pay...
RE: Flowers is pissed because he believes, and rightly so,  
GFAN52 : 5/15/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13964232 GeofromNJ said:
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that LT makes more money than RT. He thought that if he played LT this year and showed marked improvement, some team, maybe not the Giants, would offer him a very nice free agent contract. Playing RT this year does not allow him to showcase his "improved" LT skills. In fact, not only is RT less lucrative, because he's new at the position, he may appear to be unskilled - hence, no big free agent contract.


He should have "improved" at LT sooner than last season given where he was drafted. Then the new Giants management wouldn't have sunk so much FA money at LT.
DG does not see him as a LT period.  
TMS : 5/15/2018 12:34 pm : link
He has to find another position or he will be history with the Giants. IMO
RE: Even worse was how many on BBI were indicating Flowers  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/15/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13963468 Jimmy Googs said:
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actually looked better in last year's camp, and for a good part of the season.

Recall plenty of BBI quotes regarding his "quicker feet, better hand placement, developing a punch, didn't give up a sack for X games in a row, he's not the problem on the line this year..."

What a crock of shit...


It wasn't a "crock of shit", but thanks for the in-depth analysis.

For a stretch during the middle of the year Flowers showed a bit of improvement before regressing late in the year.

Some of the posters here that understand what they are watching noticed the improvement at the time. I think those comments are what you are referring to, but you appear to be exaggerating.

We need to make everything black and white, one extreme or the other right? If someone remarks that Flowers sucks less it means we think he's great right?

Btw, don't put quotes around things that aren't actually quotes.
Apologies for not understanding what I am watching  
Jimmy Googs : 5/15/2018 1:41 pm : link
during the football games.

I will just follow your lead on future posts about players to help me understand who is good and who is not.

"Ok?"...


I don't really understand the random lashing out at people who dare  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2018 7:19 pm : link
to have a different opinion than you. Seems like good use of brainpower.
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