What do you guys think about Flowers improvement? It looks like he is improving. I think he deserves credit for playing more consistent, based on his performance last year. He was durable and I don't recall him missing a play or being laid out on the field with an injury.
Surprisingly, he was the most consistent Lineman. Last year he demonstrated better leverage technique on the outside, didn't allow anyone to get inside of him. He even served up a couple of pancakes.
Most people have a long memory when it comes to Flowers for some reason. He did not get Eli killed last year.
The criticism and inconsistency was justified, when he was a 20 year rookie. He is now a starter with 3 seasons as a starter going into his 4th.
This off season, he retained a new agent, the Giants recognize Flowers numbers last season. If he duplicates that production, and he seems confident he can, he could suddenly be considered a superior Elite tackle in the NFL.
I'm waiting for some one like Anakim to retrieve his statistics from 2017.
The guy hasn't allowed a sack in 14 games, He is not the worst in the league. I pulling for him to become one of the best.
Flowers will have to really impress or Wheeler really underwhelm for Flowers to get it over him IMO.
Yeah, he was the most consistent...consistent at being horrible. Consistent at having Edge rushers beat him. Bobby Hart gave him a good run for his money, though!
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However if he didn't give up a sack in 14 games, he should be credited as an improved player. Hopefully he can continue to improve.
That's is the best compliment you can come up with ...? He has got a lot of work to do - if that is your bottom line assessment.
Doesnt matter.
Best pass rushers in the league mack, houston, von etc. play all over the line and get the matchup they want because tha'ts how the defenses are designed.
If Flowers is the weakest tackle, that's where mack, watt, von will line up against.
Let the best man win! Flowers or Solder or anyone else out there. Let's make the Giants a better team because 3-13 isn't getting the job done.
Let the best man win! Flowers or Solder or anyone else out there. Let's make the Giants a better team because 3-13 isn't getting the job done.
No there is no chance he could be the starting LT. None.
Let the best man win! Flowers or Solder or anyone else out there. Let's make the Giants a better team because 3-13 isn't getting the job done.
Thats the thing John, it does not look that way because the team publicly announced they are moving him. Which led to him being even more immature and not coming to voluntary OTAs. The chances are slim and would likely mean something awful happened to Solder, who is certainly being paid to be our LT.
We will be lucky if he turns into a serviceable RT or Backup swing tackle.
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Flowers is mauler serving pancakes and sausages and not only did not sack let in last year, he was dominant the year entire. Show me stats otherwise!!
Problem one is Eli who keeps getting his receivers MANNINGED by high throws, terribly bad knowing that Flowers has walled off 6 defenders per play from the pockets.
You might say zero, but I say 6.
Run I will with the zeros sacks totals because it sounds much better than 6. Six is for eggs cartons, not slab of beef like Erickkk.He showed not up for camp because he was visiting honors societies to get awards for allowing zero sacks, while Eli throws way down in North Carolina and kept hitting Duke scoreboard, angers Coach Krystiociakakamdhged very much. MANNINGED Cameron Indoor!
I'm going to just make up zero until somebody shows me it isn't. Then you can find me in Latvian cafe at internet terminal.
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But now he has someone breathing down his back to take over his position. Gettleman's job is to make the Giants a better team and he is doing that.
They have moved on from Flowers, as far as being a LT.....for a guy who is so big and "supposedly" mean, he is a candy ass in pass blocking.....the guy back peddles from the get go....I have never seen him attack a rusher and stop him dead in his tracks, in pass protection....and in the running game he was just as bad.....
The only reason he is still on this team is, we have question marks on the right side......they are hoping that he can play better at RG/RT.....and also, the fact that he has guaranteed money this year.....if he didn't, and he pulled the crap he just did, no doubt in my mind, he would have been cut....
Fact is, he is probably going to be an expensive, one year rental as a backup......because if he performs well as a RT, this is all on Reese, Mac, and especially Solari.....there is still a chance he might be a starter, and suck, if we have no one else......I am not convinced that Wheeler is the guy....
But if he does play RT, and he still has problems, I think Shurm has the sense, something Mac did not have, to put a TE on his side and help him with a chip block....
Add in the holds (which are as good as a sack) and the dozens and dozens of broken plays that went for a loss or no gain or Eli had to run for his life, etc, etc...
He doesn't pass the eye test. Look at it objectively. Then compare him to other LT in the league.
None of us want to Giants to fail, putting him back out there is a step in that direction - it's hard to argue otherwise.
As for being the best of the bunch last year? A saying comes to mind... 'in the land of the blind, the one eye man is king".
Let the best man win! Flowers or Solder or anyone else out there. Let's make the Giants a better team because 3-13 isn't getting the job done.
Yeah...the Giants made Nate Solder the highest-paid offensive lineman in the league just so he could compete with Ereck Flowers.
Un-fucking-real.
53 tackles graded better. 53!!! For a first round number 9 pick in his 3rd year. How can anyone defend this guys performance? Now heres to hoping he turns it around and plays a decent RT because we need it.
...devoted to an also-ran player who'll be out of the league in 2 to 3 years.
Flowers no-sack streak is folly...
He loses leverage and resorts to grabbing.
I always thought that he could be a very good guard.
He has been a good run blocker, he has the athletic ability to pull and get to the second level.
Pass blocking will be much easier for him as a guard. He will not be dealing with speed rushers and he has help on both sides.
I would like to see him at right guard with Wheeler at tackle.
Flowers no-sack streak is folly...
You are correct, at one point last season I remember reading that Eli was releasing the ball faster than any QB in the NFL.
He fails to keep his feet moving when finally engaging.
He fails to sustain leverage and dips his shoulders/head into oncoming rusher.
Generally, he fails...
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He was hurt the last game of the season, not benched.
Lol, thanks for that. He lifted Flowers off the ground like a small child
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He started off the season terribly. He settled down during a long stretch during the middle of the season. But then he fell apart again at the end. He was benched in the last game.
He was hurt the last game of the season, not benched.
Yeah "hurt"...that's what his gynecologist indicated
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He started off the season terribly. He settled down during a long stretch during the middle of the season. But then he fell apart again at the end. He was benched in the last game.
He was hurt the last game of the season, not benched.
I wonder if he will miss week one because Gettleman hurt his feelings by signing a real offensive tackle in Solder.
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getting the ball out asap.
Flowers no-sack streak is folly...
You are correct, at one point last season I remember reading that Eli was releasing the ball faster than any QB in the NFL.
Eli was in such a rush, he had Jones throwing the ball downfield
Moving him to guard may not be the answer either. DG commented that many players can't make that transition because it's an entirely different game inside. I think the Giants tried to move Bisnowaty from tackle to guard, and then cut him when they realized it wasn't going to work. We also have a lot of guards.
He's likely the backup to Wheeler this year. But if he's traded or cut, I assume we'll pick up a veteran RT after final cuts. We have the #2 waiver wire claim.
If Eli was a scrambling QB, or younger, he stays in those plays and probably gets sacked 60-70% of the time.
I am rooting for the kid though.