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Knicks GM Scott Perry reiterates to @alanhahn that the club is looking to draft the best player available, regardless of position. “We’ve got to get the highest level of talent that we can get on our roster and we’ll figure out all of the positions once they get in there.”
(Bamba reportedly has early helium as high as 4, but he's my hope at 9 given the realistic names being thrown around... Bridges, Sexton etc)
Agreed. And not taking a swipe at anyone on BBI but I've seen WAY too much focus on taking a 3 because we could use one. Take the best player... ESPECIALLY when KP (from the coaches own mouth) will float around 3-4-5 and Frank is a 1/2.
Even if you get 3 and you view bagley is the 3rd best player, you can make it work playing both him and kp
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You draft the highest rated guy on your board and worry about fit later...
Agreed. And not taking a swipe at anyone on BBI but I've seen WAY too much focus on taking a 3 because we could use one. Take the best player... ESPECIALLY when KP (from the coaches own mouth) will float around 3-4-5 and Frank is a 1/2.
I'm always an advocate for BPA, I just think based on how mocks are shaking out a 3 will be BPA. If it's Sexton, it's Sexton. I just think there's something to be said for bigs that can't survive in small ball. And KP will be the 5 in small ball lineups. That's my hesitation against getting a 5, I think they need to be an absolute star to return value on the pick.
I mean look at Jokic, arguably a top 3 or 4 center in the league but the questions still remain if you can build a contender defensively with him playing 40 minutes a game. Same sort of question for KAT too tbh. Or look at Whiteside, who is a rim protector but gets killed in transition and can be a liability on stretches on offense when he isn't grabbing ever board in sight.
As for that pertaining to this draft:
Ayton- I think Ayton has that superstar level that covers his warts. Athletically he can keep up with 4s even if he can;t be a reliable rim protector. And offensively he has both range and can attack the basket, so I'm fine with Ayton.
JJJ- He fits the prototypical mold of a modern 5. Stretches the floor, blocks shots, can get up and down the floor in transition, can switch. He is my top big in this draft.
Bamba- Can also stretch the floor potentially, get down in transition, rim protect and switch. I'd be fine with him, I just think JJJ's shot is more reliable and is a much better athlete (both explosiveness and strength) which gives him a much higher ceiling. But fine with Bamba.
Bagley- No doubt a fun player to watch and would be hard to root against him, but I think there are questions on both sides of the ball. Despite accomplishing more I think he has a lot to overcome to prove he can be a 35 mpg player. He was atrocious defensively, isn't a rim protector and his offensive game is predominated on jumping over unathletic or skinny college players for shots. He has a budding jump shot but not yet reliable. Can't protect the rim. Hard seeing him bust completely, but a lot of his game reminds me of Brandan Wright. I don't think he'll be that bad but I can also easily see him being a role player that gets booted once teams go small. Wouldn't hate the pick but lots of issues worry me.
Carter- I like Carter more than Bagley, but can also see him being relegated to a ~25 mpg role. He is 260 pounds right now, he won't be in the NBA. Gives me some hope that there's some hidden athleticism there since he moves really well for how big he is already. But he has a more fundamental offensive game than Bagley (better post moves, better passer, better shot) and can give you a little rim protection offensively.
So we’re the buffalo bills of nba lottery hopefuls....
Yeah answered my own question. He was a rookie that year.
Hardaway I think is the only one
But on the other hand Woodson is a veteran coach and knows fizdale si maybe it will work
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Lottery Day!
So we’re the buffalo bills of nba lottery hopefuls....
Yup! But this is our year!
Jon probably right
We'll see the Lakers pick end up at 2 and the Celtics taking Ayton or Doncic.
there's maybe 5-6 guys left in the league from that team.
Cavs are getting it because league thinks lebron is leaving
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?
there's maybe 5-6 guys left in the league from that team.
Felton, melo, Chandler, jr, tim, shump...anyone else?
It won't be woodson's offense...
Everyone switches in the nba now, with teams going smaller and smaller everyone switches
They had the 3rd best offense in the league playing Woodson's system (finished 11th his only other full season) and most teams switch these days. Other than that, good post!
If having Woodson become the defensive coach means that Rambis is gone, then it is addition by subtraction no matter how you look at it.
he's an ok coach but nothing special. He was thoroughly out-coached in the Pacers series. Not the main reason they lost, but it didn't help.
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was the only coach to get Melo play the 4 full time and win a playoff series. Im not sure why he gets such a bad rap, other than that he looks clueless all the time.
he's an ok coach but nothing special. He was thoroughly out-coached in the Pacers series. Not the main reason they lost, but it didn't help.
Chandler played like a little bitch that series then called out the team
Teams were tanking. We weren't I believe, we just stunk. We would be at #6 if we didn't play important people, in games critical for draft position, like the others (chicago, dallas, etc) did.
Technically 12, but that would be really tough to pull off. 9 is by far the most likely outcome, but maybe 10.
11 but you would need 2 of the teams seeded 10 through 14 to jump into top 3
#1 - 1.7%
#2 - 2.0%
#3 - 2.4%
#9 - 81.3%
#10 - 8.9%
#11 - 0.2%
#12 - >0.0%
Yeah I had to do a double take on that one also. She must have married into it.
And this show. Heinous. The NBA should be embarassed.
At least the Knicks didn’t slide down from 9. Every non-Knicks call now? Bonus!
Thought for sure Knicks were getting 10
There literally is zero hope for this franchise. Absolutely none. The fucking Kings jump from what, 7th to the top 3?
Such a strange broadcast.
You realize you do not need the number 1 pick to get great players right?
Maybe porter slides, need Sexton and you to sneak into top 8
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Tank this upcoming year, otherwise what’s the point?
You realize you do not need the number 1 pick to get great players right?
You don’t NEED to but those Dukie commits look enticing right now
Sixers has simmons yiu will have to guard for the next 10 years...
Celtics have brown and tatum...
Porter, both bridges, and Knox fit that bill
You realize you do not need the number 1 pick to get great players right?
If you're not picking top five, then you need sharp basketball minds making the pick. Since when do the Knicks have that?
The mere fact that we have top ten picks in succession gives me hope. This rarely if ever happens.
the Knicks overall behavior lately hasn’t been bad at all some encouraging signs. Knicks are two years away from fielding a pretty good looking team if they don’t fuck things up. Call me crazy but pretty comfortable in my belief that Perry and mills won’t do anything terrible. It’s whether they do something great that I’m unsure about.
The mere fact that we have top ten picks in succession gives me hope. This rarely if ever happens.
the Knicks overall behavior lately hasn’t been bad at all some encouraging signs. Knicks are two years away from fielding a pretty good looking team if they don’t fuck things up. Call me crazy but pretty comfortable in my belief that Perry and mills won’t do anything terrible. It’s whether they do something great that I’m unsure about.
One thing I love of about drafting mikal, is his defense...
He may not be looked at as a superstar talent, but adding him would add some much needed defense...
You then have 2 young perimeter defenders next to a shot blocker in kp...
That is 3 long defenders
1. Luka Doncic
2. Deandre Ayton
3. Mo Bamba
4. Jaren Jackson Jr.
5. Marvin Bagley III
^^^Those guys will for sure be gone
6. Wendell Carter Jr.
7. Michael Porter Jr.
8. Collin Sexton
9. Trae Young
And then the Bridges?
9.
It appears that some of us can make better picks by looking at YouTube clips, here is a name to keep an eye on: Zhaire Smith!!
I definitely don't want Mikal or Miles. At our range, Sexton seems to have that "it" factor but I don't know how his athleticism translates to the NBA level. I'd give Trae Young a long look also, we need playmakers, period. The other target would be SGA.
They pick 37th. They have no other second round picks.
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I think we have another second rounder later on, too.
They pick 37th. They have no other second round picks.
So maybe a guy like Isaac Bonga, Hami Diallo, Mitchell Robinson (insanely athletic center), or Mo Wagner? Or maybe a G-League stash guy like Anfernee Simons?
That's not how that works. They could have had Sacramento's slot and still not drawn the Number 2 pick. It's the Knicks. They don't have that kind of luck.
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But off the top ... the Knicks won 5 of their last 13, soooo ... essentially this. If they’d only won 2 of the 13, they’d have ended up in the spot occupied by Sacramento. Meaning the No. 2 pick.
That's not how that works. They could have had Sacramento's slot and still not drawn the Number 2 pick. It's the Knicks. They don't have that kind of luck.
Butterfly Effect!
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I think we have another second rounder later on, too.
They pick 37th. They have no other second round picks.
I saw something on Twitter about Sacramento and Chicago switching places in round two, since they had the same record and Sac had the higher first round pick (supposedly it's an obscure NBA rule?). That would bump the Knicks up to 36, but I can't swear by it.
Definition of chuck and duck...
He has very good vision but he is turnover prone...
Unless Sexton is head and shoulders above the small forwards in that range I see no reason to take him...
Knicks may get lucky and porter falls right into their lap
I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.
I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.
Is kris Dunn viewed as the future there or would that be a landing spot for sexton?
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and seem destined to be a lottery pick for years.
I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.
Is kris Dunn viewed as the future there or would that be a landing spot for sexton?
They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.
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and seem destined to be a lottery pick for years.
I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.
Is kris Dunn viewed as the future there or would that be a landing spot for sexton?
They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.
Yeah I am trying to find 2 landing spots for young and Sexton so porter falls
His own head coach... what would you expect him to say? Not exactly unbiased.
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They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.
You think Ayton, Jackson, Bamba, and porter all get picked before the bulls? I think they'd go for any one of them and its not hard seeing Bagley and Young both go top 5 as well.
I think Young's best shot of going high is Orlando. They've been killing trying to get PG production.
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They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.
You think Ayton, Jackson, Bamba, and porter all get picked before the bulls? I think they'd go for any one of them and its not hard seeing Bagley and Young both go top 5 as well.
If I had to guess right now....
1. Donacic
2. Ayton
3. Bagley
4. Young
5. Jackson
6. Bamba
7. Carter
8. Sexton
9. Porter
10. One of the Bridges
So the Knicks may get Porter if it goes like this.
A lot of what you wrote was written about Westbrook too. he wont be nearly as good as him, but his athleticism and able to score will appeal to a lot of teams.
I'm pretty sure you said something similar about Donovan Mitchell last year because he shat the bed against high and mighty UVA.
They're not in a bad spot.It would have been nice to get in the top 3,but there are also a handful of players I would like to avoid.Picking 9th helps with that.
I see Porter and Markhanan playing the same position. I think they want a more legitimate defender next to Lauri. I think they would drool for Bamba, but he wont be there.
Porter is still a big unknown.
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you think CHI would pass on Porter for Carter? I see no chance Porter falls to NYK. As for #1 overall I think Phoenix goes Ayton. Not cuz of Arizona, but can you build a backcourt with 2 non-defenders in Booker and Doncic? I think Portland has given insight on how that ends up working even when you have 2 of the best offensive guards in the league.
I see Porter and Markhanan playing the same position. I think they want a more legitimate defender next to Lauri. I think they would drool for Bamba, but he wont be there.
Porter is still a big unknown.
Maybe, I think there will be a lot of differing opinions on the bigs. I think Ayton goes 1. Doncic 2/3. Does Atlanta put another big next to Collins? I can see Memphis getting a Gasol replacement but they could also try competing and chase Porter in hopes he can make noise with Conley coming back. Dallas I can see going for a big. Orlando I can't if they're keeping Gordon. If Bagely is one of the bigs that gets taken ahead of CHI I think they can get Bamba or JJJ.
Ayton went to HS in Arizona, then college there. He's going 1/1.
Oof that will be a rough backcourt defensively, at least they will have size but still. If I were Phoenix I'd look at Smart closely in the offseason, exactly the type of guard they need for Booker. I think Ayton is what Booker needs offensively, he really looks like he can run the point.
Ayrton doncic bagley jjj Carter bamba Sexton young...
Not hard to see how porter falls, just need young and Sexton to go top 8
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you think CHI would pass on Porter for Carter? I see no chance Porter falls to NYK. As for #1 overall I think Phoenix goes Ayton. Not cuz of Arizona, but can you build a backcourt with 2 non-defenders in Booker and Doncic? I think Portland has given insight on how that ends up working even when you have 2 of the best offensive guards in the league.
Ayrton doncic bagley jjj Carter bamba Sexton young...
Not hard to see how porter falls, just need young and Sexton to go top 8
There's still a month left but I'm not seeing the "hype" for Sexton and Bamba going high yet. Like KP jumped from lottery to top 5 lock by this time in that draft. Still also like SGA if we're going PG/wing. Would need either Frank or SGA to bulk up to guard 3s though.
Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.
Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.
I like Bamba, I dont think hes comparable athletically to Capela. His 3 point shooting is intriguing.
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is like 9 feet long...haha. He can hit 3s. Someone will fall in love with him.
Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.
I like Bamba, I dont think hes comparable athletically to Capela. His 3 point shooting is intriguing.
What I like about Mamba is he can put on 25 pounds without losing his athleticism.
I remember what Tyson Chandler looked like whene he was drafted to what he is now. If Bamba can come close to that.... pretty good prospect.
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is like 9 feet long...haha. He can hit 3s. Someone will fall in love with him.
Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.
I remember what Tyson Chandler looked like whene he was drafted to what he is now. If Bamba can come close to that.... pretty good prospect.
He'd be perfect for Chicago. Mainly because I dont think you can survive with markannen at the 5 like you can with KP at the 5. Chicago has means of trading for a decent 3 if they need. Based on age/contract situation I'd take Markannen over Portis, but do you think it's guaranteed Lauri will be better than Portis at peak? I'm taking Portis over Bagley or Carter anyday. I'd rather trade 9 for Chicago for Portis than take those 2.
Upside Comp = Doncic: Paul Pierce; more likely ________
Bagley: a more athletic Derrick Favors
Upside Comp = Bamba: Rudy Gobert; more likely ________
Sexton: Eric Bledsoe
Young: a homeless man's Steph Curry; more likely Mike Bibby
JJJ (Jackson): Marquisse Chriss
Porter: Joe Johnson
Carter: David West
Mikal Bridges: Khris Middleton
Miles Bridges: Stanley Johnson
SGA: Frank Ntilikina
Upside Comp = Doncic: Paul Pierce; more likely ________
Bagley: a more athletic Derrick Favors
Upside Comp = Bamba: Rudy Gobert; more likely ________
Sexton: Eric Bledsoe
Young: a homeless man's Steph Curry; more likely Mike Bibby
JJJ (Jackson): Marquisse Chriss
Porter: Joe Johnson
Carter: David West
Mikal Bridges: Khris Middleton
Miles Bridges: Stanley Johnson
SGA: Frank Ntilikina
Yikes...
Everyone talks about how unlucky the Knicks have been in the lottery, but the KP pick is about as lucky as it gets. We got the second best player in that draft - someone with HOF potential - with the fourth overall pick, while the guys picked at #2/#3 have been disappointments.
Everyone talks about how unlucky the Knicks have been in the lottery, but the KP pick is about as lucky as it gets. We got the second best player in that draft - someone with HOF potential - with the fourth overall pick, while the guys picked at #2/#3 have been disappointments.
To me West is just saying something without saying anything. how does that change a draft strategy approach to anything. Good players and great players all exhibit similar skills, it's just great players have more of them.
That or Frank.
doesn't happen all that often. But a few years ago the Sixers dropped down to 12 from 10 and got a future #1 and a #2.