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NFT: Knicks Chat: Perry suggests Knicks will go BPA

DanMetroMan : 5/15/2018 7:46 am
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Knicks GM Scott Perry reiterates to @alanhahn that the club is looking to draft the best player available, regardless of position. “We’ve got to get the highest level of talent that we can get on our roster and we’ll figure out all of the positions once they get in there.”

(Bamba reportedly has early helium as high as 4, but he's my hope at 9 given the realistic names being thrown around... Bridges, Sexton etc)
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This is how the draft should be  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:02 am : link
You draft the highest rated guy on your board and worry about fit later...
RE: This is how the draft should be  
DanMetroMan : 5/15/2018 8:04 am : link
In comment 13963954 nygiants16 said:
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You draft the highest rated guy on your board and worry about fit later...


Agreed. And not taking a swipe at anyone on BBI but I've seen WAY too much focus on taking a 3 because we could use one. Take the best player... ESPECIALLY when KP (from the coaches own mouth) will float around 3-4-5 and Frank is a 1/2.
Good..  
Sean : 5/15/2018 8:15 am : link
this team needs all the talent it can get.
Yeah the NBA is simple.  
Keith : 5/15/2018 8:18 am : link
Always go BPA, especially w the trend of positionless basketball. Factor in that the Knicks really only have one bonafide great player and there is no other choice. BPA.
Completely agree  
GMEN46 : 5/15/2018 8:30 am : link
Best player available in nba is a no brainer. If Colin Sexton is the guy you have rated highest at the time of the pick and he is there then you take him without any hesitation.
RE: Yeah the NBA is simple.  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:45 am : link
In comment 13963972 Keith said:
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Always go BPA, especially w the trend of positionless basketball. Factor in that the Knicks really only have one bonafide great player and there is no other choice. BPA.


Even if you get 3 and you view bagley is the 3rd best player, you can make it work playing both him and kp
Man did Avery love Sexton in yesterday’s  
Carl in CT : 5/15/2018 9:32 am : link
NY Post. I really didn’t consider another PG but the KJ and RW comparisons make you want to think about him.
Today is the Knicks fan's Super Bowl!  
Heisenberg : 5/15/2018 9:52 am : link
Lottery Day!
I really want bamba  
djm : 5/15/2018 9:55 am : link
...
RE: RE: This is how the draft should be  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 13963958 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13963954 nygiants16 said:


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You draft the highest rated guy on your board and worry about fit later...



Agreed. And not taking a swipe at anyone on BBI but I've seen WAY too much focus on taking a 3 because we could use one. Take the best player... ESPECIALLY when KP (from the coaches own mouth) will float around 3-4-5 and Frank is a 1/2.


I'm always an advocate for BPA, I just think based on how mocks are shaking out a 3 will be BPA. If it's Sexton, it's Sexton. I just think there's something to be said for bigs that can't survive in small ball. And KP will be the 5 in small ball lineups. That's my hesitation against getting a 5, I think they need to be an absolute star to return value on the pick.

I mean look at Jokic, arguably a top 3 or 4 center in the league but the questions still remain if you can build a contender defensively with him playing 40 minutes a game. Same sort of question for KAT too tbh. Or look at Whiteside, who is a rim protector but gets killed in transition and can be a liability on stretches on offense when he isn't grabbing ever board in sight.

As for that pertaining to this draft:

Ayton- I think Ayton has that superstar level that covers his warts. Athletically he can keep up with 4s even if he can;t be a reliable rim protector. And offensively he has both range and can attack the basket, so I'm fine with Ayton.

JJJ- He fits the prototypical mold of a modern 5. Stretches the floor, blocks shots, can get up and down the floor in transition, can switch. He is my top big in this draft.

Bamba- Can also stretch the floor potentially, get down in transition, rim protect and switch. I'd be fine with him, I just think JJJ's shot is more reliable and is a much better athlete (both explosiveness and strength) which gives him a much higher ceiling. But fine with Bamba.

Bagley- No doubt a fun player to watch and would be hard to root against him, but I think there are questions on both sides of the ball. Despite accomplishing more I think he has a lot to overcome to prove he can be a 35 mpg player. He was atrocious defensively, isn't a rim protector and his offensive game is predominated on jumping over unathletic or skinny college players for shots. He has a budding jump shot but not yet reliable. Can't protect the rim. Hard seeing him bust completely, but a lot of his game reminds me of Brandan Wright. I don't think he'll be that bad but I can also easily see him being a role player that gets booted once teams go small. Wouldn't hate the pick but lots of issues worry me.

Carter- I like Carter more than Bagley, but can also see him being relegated to a ~25 mpg role. He is 260 pounds right now, he won't be in the NBA. Gives me some hope that there's some hidden athleticism there since he moves really well for how big he is already. But he has a more fundamental offensive game than Bagley (better post moves, better passer, better shot) and can give you a little rim protection offensively.
RE: Today is the Knicks fan's Super Bowl!  
djm : 5/15/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 13964081 Heisenberg said:
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Lottery Day!


So we’re the buffalo bills of nba lottery hopefuls....
*rim protection  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 9:57 am : link
defensively
Sounds  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:14 am : link
like Mike Woodson is inbound. Just announced that he wont return to the clips.
Good Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:15 am : link
trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?
RE: Good Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13964128 Jon in NYC said:
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?


Yeah answered my own question. He was a rookie that year.
RE: Good Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13964128 Jon in NYC said:
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?


Hardaway I think is the only one
My only hesitation on woodson  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:21 am : link
Is I dont like adding assistants that were up for the head coaching job because you worry about alterior motives...

But on the other hand Woodson is a veteran coach and knows fizdale si maybe it will work
Woodson  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:24 am : link
wasn't up for any HC jobs. He "interviewed with us" but I dont think anyone took that seriously.
RE: RE: Today is the Knicks fan's Super Bowl!  
Heisenberg : 5/15/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13964093 djm said:
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In comment 13964081 Heisenberg said:


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Lottery Day!



So we’re the buffalo bills of nba lottery hopefuls....


Yup! But this is our year!
RE: Woodson  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13964145 Jon in NYC said:
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wasn't up for any HC jobs. He "interviewed with us" but I dont think anyone took that seriously.


Jon probably right
Would be a lot of fun to  
Metnut : 5/15/2018 10:32 am : link
see the Knicks move up in the lottery but knowing how these things go, we'll likely see the Sixers and Bulls get the top two picks.
RE: Would be a lot of fun to  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13964157 Metnut said:
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see the Knicks move up in the lottery but knowing how these things go, we'll likely see the Sixers and Bulls get the top two picks.


We'll see the Lakers pick end up at 2 and the Celtics taking Ayton or Doncic.
RE: Good Knicks  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13964128 Jon in NYC said:
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?

there's maybe 5-6 guys left in the league from that team.
it's still crazy to me  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 10:38 am : link
that our best player went out for the year just over halfway into the season and we barely improved our lottery position.
RE: Would be a lot of fun to  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13964157 Metnut said:
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see the Knicks move up in the lottery but knowing how these things go, we'll likely see the Sixers and Bulls get the top two picks.


Cavs are getting it because league thinks lebron is leaving

RE: RE: Good Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 13964160 Enzo said:
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In comment 13964128 Jon in NYC said:


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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?


there's maybe 5-6 guys left in the league from that team.


Felton, melo, Chandler, jr, tim, shump...anyone else?
I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
Phil in LA : 5/15/2018 10:41 am : link
and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.
RE: I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 13964167 Phil in LA said:
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and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.


It won't be woodson's offense...

Everyone switches in the nba now, with teams going smaller and smaller everyone switches
RE: I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 13964167 Phil in LA said:
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and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.

They had the 3rd best offense in the league playing Woodson's system (finished 11th his only other full season) and most teams switch these days. Other than that, good post!
RE: I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
rich in DC : 5/15/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13964167 Phil in LA said:
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and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.


If having Woodson become the defensive coach means that Rambis is gone, then it is addition by subtraction no matter how you look at it.
Rambis is long  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 11:12 am : link
gone.
Woodson  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 11:13 am : link
was the only coach to get Melo play the 4 full time and win a playoff series. Im not sure why he gets such a bad rap, other than that he looks clueless all the time.
RE: Woodson  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13964203 Jon in NYC said:
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was the only coach to get Melo play the 4 full time and win a playoff series. Im not sure why he gets such a bad rap, other than that he looks clueless all the time.

he's an ok coach but nothing special. He was thoroughly out-coached in the Pacers series. Not the main reason they lost, but it didn't help.
RE: RE: Woodson  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13964205 Enzo said:
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In comment 13964203 Jon in NYC said:


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was the only coach to get Melo play the 4 full time and win a playoff series. Im not sure why he gets such a bad rap, other than that he looks clueless all the time.


he's an ok coach but nothing special. He was thoroughly out-coached in the Pacers series. Not the main reason they lost, but it didn't help.


Chandler played like a little bitch that series then called out the team
RE: it's still crazy to me  
RAIN : 5/15/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13964161 Enzo said:
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that our best player went out for the year just over halfway into the season and we barely improved our lottery position.


Teams were tanking. We weren't I believe, we just stunk. We would be at #6 if we didn't play important people, in games critical for draft position, like the others (chicago, dallas, etc) did.
what is the worst draft slot  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/15/2018 1:57 pm : link
the Knicks could get tonight?
RE: what is the worst draft slot  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13964476 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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the Knicks could get tonight?


Technically 12, but that would be really tough to pull off. 9 is by far the most likely outcome, but maybe 10.
RE: what is the worst draft slot  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13964476 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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the Knicks could get tonight?


11 but you would need 2 of the teams seeded 10 through 14 to jump into top 3
Actually I guess 12  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 1:59 pm : link
If 3 teams jump in
Pick Odds  
31southst : 5/15/2018 3:03 pm : link
Per tankathon:

#1 - 1.7%
#2 - 2.0%
#3 - 2.4%
#9 - 81.3%
#10 - 8.9%
#11 - 0.2%
#12 - >0.0%
Odds  
31southst : 5/15/2018 3:04 pm : link
Sorry 12.2% for #10 and 0.4% for #11
One-hour draft lottery show?  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 7:59 pm : link
That's ridiculous.
Wait.  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:10 pm : link
Jamie Gertz owns the Hawks?
RE: Wait.  
steve in ky : 5/15/2018 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13964933 Beezer said:
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Jamie Gertz owns the Hawks?


Yeah I had to do a double take on that one also. She must have married into it.
This woman. What’s her name?  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:11 pm : link
So terrible.

And this show. Heinous. The NBA should be embarassed.
Jesus fucking Christ.  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:12 pm : link
Do the damn lottery already!!!
Yeah way to take something exciting for fans and ruin it  
steve in ky : 5/15/2018 8:14 pm : link
Far too much garbage.
This is a joke  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:16 pm : link
..
Well at least not moving down  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:16 pm : link
..
Commercial?  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 8:17 pm : link
What a travesty this has been.
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