I'm paraphrasing, but she raised an interesting point that I think some folks on BBI have mentioned. She thinks the Giants are doing a disservice to Barkley and the team by over-hyping Barkley. My guess is she was mostly talking about Gettleman's comments, but it raises an interesting question.
Would a 1,200 yard rookie season be a disappointment for most fans? How about 10 touchdowns?
What is YOUR expectation level with Barkley.
^This. His presence isn't just about his numbers. He should also help the WRs (and Eli). To that end, one thing to look at will be Beckham's yard/rec numbers. He averaged 14.3 y/r as a rookie and then 15.1 y/r in 2015 before dropping to 13.5 and 12.1 the last 2 seasons (granted last season doesn't really count). So with a little less focus on him, can Beckham get back up to 14.5-15.0 y/r?
An extra 1.0-1.5 y/r may not seem like a lot, but that's an extra 100-150 yards over the season and could be the difference between extending some drives and punting.
It might be unfair, but they drafted him over a QB. And we know that RBs traditionally have about an 8-10 year window and tend to have immediate impacts. So where he was drafted and who he was drafted over as well as what other comparable picks have done in the league lead me to these expectations.
I don't think you can pin that on "over-hyping" by the Giants.
He was top rated prospect in the draft and all the sports folks are hyping him up.
1.) 1,500+ rushing yards
2.) 65+ catches for 800+ yards
3.) 14 + TDs
4.) > 2 fumbles , 15+ games played
5.) Grade A pass protection, plays 85%+ of all snaps
With the Giants selecting a RB with the second over all pick, passing up on the potential franchise signal caller for the best player in the draft, you expect to see the offense on an all together different level, day 1.
Well said. No excuses.
David Johnson averaged about 4+ yds per carry for 1200 plus for a full season, 80 catches and 20 TDs, behind an ordinary offensive line. I see no reason Barkley shouldn't be able to top that if he's a generational player.
Fans will spend less time discussing the 3 TDs he might score in a game and talk about how he came up short on that 3rd down in the 1st quarter as the reason they lost 24-21.
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
1.) 1,500+ rushing yards
2.) 65+ catches for 800+ yards
3.) 14 + TDs
4.) > 2 fumbles , 15+ games played
5.) Grade A pass protection, plays 85%+ of all snaps
Why do you want more than 2 fumbles?
And how is 2300+ yards from scrimmage "conservative"? That's a top 10 all time season!
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I don't think you can pin that on "over-hyping" by the Giants.
He was top rated prospect in the draft and all the sports folks are hyping him up.
This.
Not the Giants, the media.
and yes I expect him to rock our world...
David Johnson averaged about 4+ yds per carry for 1200 plus for a full season, 80 catches and 20 TDs, behind an ordinary offensive line. I see no reason Barkley shouldn't be able to top that if he's a generational player.
Our Oline has some work to just get to ordinary. Couple that with a new coach and scheme. 1200 yards is reasonable, but i agree that the "hype train" needs to be walked back a bit for the sake of the player.
According to the Sports Illustrated NFL Draft cover story on Barkley this is how they both see things.
"It's Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, Tiger, Serena....and Saquan."
Anyway, as to expectations for Barkley, I quote Bill Parcells: "Let's not put him in Canton yet"
100% agree with this. Forcing teams to honor the running game will do wonders for the passing game, especially the play action passing. Safteys will be biting hard on the play fake along with LB's and it should make passing lanes open up.
Not worried about hyping him, the kid will have no issue dealing with it. I expect him to fall within the top 5 RB's in the league. I would love 8 to 10 rushing Td's and 4 receiving td's and 1,300 rushing yards for the year. He does that he will meet all the hype and Eli will look like he is 30 again.
It's fair as well, he wanted to be drafted as high as possible and he has not shied away from spotlight or pressure. This is what comes with the kind of hype and expectations that got him drafted at 2.
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.
Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???
You can't have it both ways.
The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?
According to the Sports Illustrated NFL Draft cover story on Barkley this is how they both see things.
"It's Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, Tiger, Serena....and Saquan."
This as well. He's marketing himself, as he should be.
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.
Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???
You can't have it both ways.
The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?
I think that this is pertinent. His number may actually not match up to our dreams or even our expectations. But I would be willing to bet that there will be a lot of hidden numbers.
If Eli or OBJ, or Engram, etc all of the sudden start putting up ridiculous stats, then maybe some of their numbers are actually Barkley's.
It might just be that the way to evaluate Barkley's worth and impact, is to look and see how the offense performs in toto.
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.
Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?
1.) 1,500+ rushing yards
2.) 65+ catches for 800+ yards
3.) 14 + TDs
4.) > 2 fumbles , 15+ games played
5.) Grade A pass protection, plays 85%+ of all snaps
More than two fumbles? Why would you root for that?
And I don't think he's going to play 85% of snaps - that's a really high number.
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.
Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.
Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?
This is exactly how I feel. I wanted a QB, didn't happen, so I'm on board with the Barkley pick. I want him to succeed, just like I want Eli to succeed.
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
Can't wait for the 1,500 total yards / 11 TD rookie season debates.
My guess is if we start playing winning football and the disaster of last season starts to be washed from people's memories, if Barkley plays at or near a pro bowl level, people will quickly forget about overly hyped expectations and just be happy he is a Giant.
If next year we have another dismal season (which I don't think will happen), then nothing Barkley does will be good enough.
Said no one ever.
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.
Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?
Moron? Haha. Anyway...
If you're still here then clearly you're not one of the people I'm referring to. There were a lot of posters that popped in a few months before the draft and banged their drum about QB over RB. They stuck around for a week or so after the draft to keep whining and then they disappeared.
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On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
This is fair.
He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.
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he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better
Said no one ever.
Didn't follow those threads too closely, did you?
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
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he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better
Said no one ever.
Didn't follow those threads too closely, did you?
Link me to one.
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
This post sucks on a few levels. First off, I was one who was pretty adamant about not drafting a RB at 2. I still feel like it was a bad decision. I haven't really mentioned it since the draft because:
A. I like to root for Giants players to succeed
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B. I don't want to keep harping on something that is over and I have no control over.
Have I disappeared??? Would you rather I continually post about why I think it's a bad idea? Also, just because the Giants ended up drafting a RB doesn't mean it was the right move. Time will tell.