I'm paraphrasing, but she raised an interesting point that I think some folks on BBI have mentioned. She thinks the Giants are doing a disservice to Barkley and the team by over-hyping Barkley. My guess is she was mostly talking about Gettleman's comments, but it raises an interesting question.
Would a 1,200 yard rookie season be a disappointment for most fans? How about 10 touchdowns?
What is YOUR expectation level with Barkley.
I'd retort, but then I would have to read your posts to know what they read like. I see "Chris684" and my eyes glaze over
As pointed out, receiving yard but also as another threat to cover, as tiring out the D with the run game, as creating a credible 'sell' for play action passes etc etc
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Your posts read like the ramblings of an angry, delusional old man.
I'd retort, but then I would have to read your posts to know what they read like. I see "Chris684" and my eyes glaze over
lol, this is funny. However, its obviously not true as you clearly read this post.
So, so true. She's very attractive, she seems smart, she loves football and she plays fantasy. She's a catch(no pun intended?)
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.
Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???
You can't have it both ways.
The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?
The lot of them were called whiny bitches because thats exactly how they were acting afterwards (I'm not saying you specifically, but in general). Prior to the draft, they were so adamant that they were right and anything else would be wrong. I even recall one poster saying how everyone would look so stupid when the Giants picked a QB over a RB.
When arrogance is humbled, oftentimes the result is "whiny, butt-hurt bitching." I did find some measure of satisfaction in seeing the meltdown, because they were making this place miserable prior to the pick.
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
Said booster here. I expect that he will reach 2000 yard scrimmage seasons early in his career. As a reasonable expectation for his rookie season, what I expect is better numbers than a 1200 yard, 10 TD season. Would I be disappointed if he *only* has a 1200 yard, 10 TD season? No...those are extraordinary numbers for a rookie RB, and it would be a very good season to build upon. I think he is capable of much more, though. I also don't think the expectations are unfair. You were drafted number 2 overall, he knows how good he is. When it's time, I don't think pressures are going to get to him, I think he's going to play some great football.
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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.
Well that's just great. God's gonna get fired because of MeToo
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
This post sucks on a few levels. First off, I was one who was pretty adamant about not drafting a RB at 2. I still feel like it was a bad decision. I haven't really mentioned it since the draft because:
A. I like to root for Giants players to succeed
and
B. I don't want to keep harping on something that is over and I have no control over.
Have I disappeared??? Would you rather I continually post about why I think it's a bad idea? Also, just because the Giants ended up drafting a RB doesn't mean it was the right move. Time will tell.
Yeah you were pretty adamant about not drafting a RB, but you were also open to other options - so you don't really qualify.
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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.
Well that's just great. God's gonna get fired because of MeToo
Haha. Who's going to fire God, though? Is it a triumvirate of Kanye, Charlie Sheen, and Alec Baldwin? "We are going to have to let you go, Lord." *Lightning Bolt* "You were saying?"
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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.
Well that's just great. God's gonna get fired because of MeToo
Nice job!!!
It's like you guys are just waiting to pounce. It almost seems like you want him to fail because you'd rather be right than have the Giants do well or have Barkley succeed.
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."
"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"
When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.
Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???
You can't have it both ways.
The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?
The lot of them were called whiny bitches because thats exactly how they were acting afterwards (I'm not saying you specifically, but in general). Prior to the draft, they were so adamant that they were right and anything else would be wrong. I even recall one poster saying how everyone would look so stupid when the Giants picked a QB over a RB.
When arrogance is humbled, oftentimes the result is "whiny, butt-hurt bitching." I did find some measure of satisfaction in seeing the meltdown, because they were making this place miserable prior to the pick.
There was one poster who claimed that us Barkley supporters would look like fools because it was so obvious that you don't take a RB over this opportunity to take a QB, and that Gettleman is smarter than that. Then, when Barkley was taken..."Gettleman is not the man I thought he was." LMAO. It looks like he deleted his account.
BW in DC is still here, though. Good for you, BW. We are all rooting for the success of the franchise, and even though you weren't a big believer even in the talent, trust me, you are about to see why you were wrong here in about 4 months.
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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
This is fair.
He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.
100%. When the GM and head coach are talking this guy up as much as they are and he's picked where he was picked, of course there are going to be very high expectations. We've heard from the GM and head coach he is going to make the entire offense better. Even the defense, due to keeping them off the field.
Great. Now, we have to see it. There's nothing wrong with that.
expectations and I believe he will put forth 100% effort to
help this team compete. That is all you can ask for. Sure
there is big expectations after what this team has been
through. It is not just one man it is a team effort.
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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
This is fair.
He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.
100%. When the GM and head coach are talking this guy up as much as they are and he's picked where he was picked, of course there are going to be very high expectations. We've heard from the GM and head coach he is going to make the entire offense better. Even the defense, due to keeping them off the field.
Great. Now, we have to see it. There's nothing wrong with that.
Yep. People are giving Greg from LI shit but he’s right. Barkley supporters can’t move the bar once the season begins. The GM said you take a HoF caliber player 2 overall. Barkley has been hyped as a transcendent player. He needs to live up to those expectations or there will be scrutiny — which would be completely fair in my opinion.
It's like you guys are just waiting to pounce. It almost seems like you want him to fail because you'd rather be right than have the Giants do well or have Barkley succeed.
It doesn't "almost seem" that way. It is exactly that.
What's even funnier is that no specific QB is even named as the one who should have been taken instead of Barkley. Just "a QB" should have been taken. So we don't even know if Sam "Turnovers" Darnold, Josh "The Concussion Kid" Rosen, or Josh "50-Something %" Allen is the one who should have been drafted to kick Eli to the curb. Safer to just wait and see which of the three turns out best and say, "Should have taken that guy!"
Not to mention that an intriguing QB prospect was taken in a later round by NYG. God forbid both Barkley AND Lauletta work out for the Giants! Worst-case scenario!
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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.
On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
This is fair.
He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.
100%. When the GM and head coach are talking this guy up as much as they are and he's picked where he was picked, of course there are going to be very high expectations. We've heard from the GM and head coach he is going to make the entire offense better. Even the defense, due to keeping them off the field.
Great. Now, we have to see it. There's nothing wrong with that.
Yep. People are giving Greg from LI shit but he’s right. Barkley supporters can’t move the bar once the season begins. The GM said you take a HoF caliber player 2 overall. Barkley has been hyped as a transcendent player. He needs to live up to those expectations or there will be scrutiny — which would be completely fair in my opinion.
The funniest part is someone calling out other Giants fans. The same people who when Eli got benched, claimed to be bigger Eli fans than Giants fans, and that he 'proud of it.'
Irony. Hypocrisy. We got it all today!
OBJ is very talented but this team still seemed lost in more games then one should expect why we just don’t know. It’s a team sport but we don’t have many special players Barkley could be one but to as him to be really special in year number 1, seems very unfair. We took the HB he should get 1000 yards but if we had taken a QB he would have sat all year as planned.
Wow.
The "Should Have Taken a QB at #2" crowd can't have it both ways, either. They need to specify which one out of Darnold, Rosen, and Allen should have been taken at #2. They can't just try to skate by with "a quarterback," because the Giants couldn't send "A Quarterback" on the card to the podium.
And then if that specific QB doesn't end up a Hall of Famer, they were wrong.
Works both ways.
Pointing them out is "mocking"?
JFC.
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are you still going to hate Barkley now that he's a Giant?
You've mellowed considerably!
Are you still going to have your lips surgically attached to his ass if he is a fairly ordinary back?
Pointing them out is "mocking"?
JFC.
My post went directly over your head. I just found it funny that a 20 year old (and younger in his previous years) was being presented as someone the Giants (or anyone else) shouldn't have taken based on TOs committed at that young of an age when we've had a QB that's committed more than his fair share of TOs in his career and still managed to win 2 SBs earlier in his career. It's just...funny.
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Barkley supporters can’t move the bar once the season begins. The GM said you take a HoF caliber player 2 overall. Barkley has been hyped as a transcendent player. He needs to live up to those expectations or there will be scrutiny — which would be completely fair in my opinion.
The "Should Have Taken a QB at #2" crowd can't have it both ways, either. They need to specify which one out of Darnold, Rosen, and Allen should have been taken at #2. They can't just try to skate by with "a quarterback," because the Giants couldn't send "A Quarterback" on the card to the podium.
And then if that specific QB doesn't end up a Hall of Famer, they were wrong.
Works both ways.
A QB pick is completely irrelevant to this discussion. This is about Barkley and whether he will prove to be worth 2 overall. I wanted a trade down, but I hope Barkley is everything his supporters claim him to be. He’s a Giant now and the draft is over.
If he isn’t clearly better than every other RB in this class, there will be scrutiny. If he isn’t better than just about every RB in the league, there will be scrutiny. The GM and HC gave a hard sell to the fan base re: Barkley being a gold jacket guy and everything else. If he doesn’t live up to those expectations, fair or not, the decision will be criticized and deservedly so.
We definitely don't want to disappoint those heavy hitters Dave in Hoboken or Greg!!
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over a QB is something to behold.
It's like you guys are just waiting to pounce. It almost seems like you want him to fail because you'd rather be right than have the Giants do well or have Barkley succeed.
It doesn't "almost seem" that way. It is exactly that.
What?? Who is posting above and saying "exactly that" or intimating they want Barkley to fail because DG should have taken a QB?
Cooks numbers in Shurmurs system last year:
4 games (before injury):
Cook is 5’10 / 215 (Barkley 5’11 / 230)
Rushing 74 ATT 354 Yards
Receiving 11 CAT 90 Yards
Extrapolated over 16 games:
296ATT 1416YDS
Receving 44 CT 360 YDS
TOTAL YDS from scrimmage:1776 YDS
I would anticipate the receiving yards to be better but this would be a good floor I think of what to expect if he plays all 16 games. The Vikes OL wasnt some conglomerate of probowlers and was similarly overhauled the offseason before.
Yep. People are giving Greg from LI shit but he’s right.
Are you sure he's not getting shit because everything and everyone from Penn State is a pedophile by default?
Anything else is icing on the cake.
Such a back is pretty easily found later on in the draft.
I’m looking for the offense to produce first. Barkley’s numbers don’t have to be amazing for his impact to be great. That’s all we should ask for.
Not many teams have this kind of opportunity -- I plan on enjoying every minute of it
GO GIANTS!!!!
Yeah Baby!!!
End of story.
It's his overall impact on the offense that matters. Should be huge.
Moron? Haha. Anyway...
If you're still here then clearly you're not one of the people I'm referring to. There were a lot of posters that popped in a few months before the draft and banged their drum about QB over RB. They stuck around for a week or so after the draft to keep whining and then they disappeared.
I have been here for a while. Not going anywhere and not going to flip flop on what I believe is right without admitting that I was wrong. So, where we are now is that I truly hope I was wrong. I hope Barkley develops into a HOF running back for the Giants and that one of these two QBs on our roster are good enough to replace Eli and be a top 10 QB in the league.
Meanwhile, if there was an edit option in these threads, I would have removed the moron comment. Apologize for that.
It's not only the Giants overhyping him.
Though, in a rare moment, the media has it right.
Hunt, 1327 yards, 8td's, 53 catches 455 yards and 3 td's. (geez, did the Chiefs luck out getting that guy in the 3rd round).
Cook is an exercise in extrapolation as he only ran the ball 74 times. The Vikes were 2-2 with Cook playing. They lost one game with Murray as the starting back. It's a question as to whether the Vikings were better with Murray getting the carries.
SB needs to be in Fournette-Hunt territory as a second round pick to be considered a success.