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NFT: Knicks Will Get A Top 3 Pick Tonight

PatchoguePete : 5/15/2018 12:40 pm
Book it.
Yay!  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 12:43 pm : link
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Great,,,  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/15/2018 12:44 pm : link
fucking thread title and thread.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2018 12:45 pm : link
From your lips to God's ears...
Thanks PatchoguePete!  
Dr. D : 5/15/2018 12:46 pm : link
Are you related to PistolPete?
RE: Thanks PatchoguePete!  
Danny Kanell : 5/15/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13964346 Dr. D said:
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Are you related to PistolPete?


No. He's related to:

DennyinDenville
FrankieinFlushing
NYKwhateverhisnamewas
Etc
Etc
Glad to hear it  
ghost718 : 5/15/2018 12:49 pm : link
Thanks Pancho Pete
If he's right?  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 12:53 pm : link
He'll need to post more often. lol
I will take anything before  
dk in TX : 5/15/2018 1:11 pm : link
9th overall.

With our luck? Please God.....🙏
RE: Great,,,  
Earl the goat : 5/15/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13964343 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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fucking thread title and thread.


You never have anything nice to say.
RE: I will take anything before  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13964385 dk in TX said:
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9th overall.

With our luck? Please God.....🙏


Knicks are getting either 1 to 3 or 9 or 10...

No other possibilities
Not to..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/15/2018 1:15 pm : link
absolute morons.

Just earlier today, I called T-Bone a great guy and poster.

But you were probably looking at Jacoby Brissett highlights....
If the Knicks pick top 3  
Csonka : 5/15/2018 1:21 pm : link
everyone will say the fix was in again.

Not a fix when anyone else gets lucky. Just the Knicks.
With the 2nd pick in the NBA draft  
PatchoguePete : 5/15/2018 1:23 pm : link
The New York Knicks select...Marvin Bagley III
RE: RE: I will take anything before  
giants#1 : 5/15/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13964391 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13964385 dk in TX said:


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9th overall.

With our luck? Please God.....🙏



Knicks are getting either 1 to 3 or 9 or 10...

No other possibilities


So 10th...
If the Knicks get the 10th  
PatchoguePete : 5/15/2018 1:28 pm : link
pick, contract the team. It's amazing how lucky some teams have been in the lottery. The Spurs have been in the lottery 3 times, and moved up all three times (Robinson, Elliot, Duncan). The Cavs have moved up twice recently..once for Kyrie and once for Wiggins.
Knicks will trade it to get back Melo  
DennyInDenville : 5/15/2018 1:28 pm : link
Then sign him to a 5 year extension

Would put the bow tie on this troll job
Fucking Jinx......10th pick it is  
larryflower37 : 5/15/2018 1:35 pm : link
Couldn't the Knicks  
Metnut : 5/15/2018 1:51 pm : link
technically drop to 12th if three other teams below them moved up?
RE: Couldn't the Knicks  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13964462 Metnut said:
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technically drop to 12th if three other teams below them moved up?


If there's a way to drop, the Knicks will drop.
Hoping my Magicís get a little luck  
est1986 : 5/15/2018 2:46 pm : link
And end up in that top 3...I will be pissed if we fall out of the top 5
Yes.  
manh george : 5/15/2018 2:52 pm : link
The Knicks will definitely be in the top three of teams picking 9th or later. Despite all of the BPA talk, I still think the Knicks go Mikhal Bridges if available, or Bamba/Carter if one of them is. Most likely Bridges. He would be close to BPA at #9, plus the right fit.
RE: Not to..  
Earl the goat : 5/15/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13964394 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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absolute morons.

Just earlier today, I called T-Bone a great guy and poster.

But you were probably looking at Jacoby Brissett highlights....


Lol. Brissett is still my man🤔
Bomba or Mikhal  
Earl the goat : 5/15/2018 3:08 pm : link
Would absolutely be a home run for the Knicks
RE: RE: I will take anything before  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13964391 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks are getting either 1 to 3 or 9 or 10...

No other possibilities


What about Knicks history suggests to you they have a shot in hell of picks 1 to 3?

It's far more likely they drop a spot. It's their destiny.
I've watched  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 3:26 pm : link
this debacle every year the Knicks have had a shot at a high pick. Tonight, I abstain! Maybe that will change our luck...
I want Bridges from Nova  
Optimus-NY : 5/15/2018 3:34 pm : link
Love his game.
RE: RE: I will take anything before  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/15/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13964391 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13964385 dk in TX said:


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9th overall.

With our luck? Please God.....🙏



Knicks are getting either 1 to 3 or 9 or 10...

No other possibilities

Couldn't they theoretically drop as low as 12 if all three of the teams that land in the top three come from behind them?
The Knicks positions  
old man : 5/15/2018 3:41 pm : link
in W-L and their resulting position in the lottery proves the faults of the lottery system and actually violate the concept of reverse order drafting.
If you finish low 10 3 straight years but the ball falls to #1 3 straight years you can turn around with a great young team while 3 straight years of the worst record and draw the 9/10 spot 3 straight years you could be in the dumpster another 5 years +.
Knicks havenít had any luck in 30 years since the Ewing draft...  
GFAN52 : 5/15/2018 3:44 pm : link
I donít see it changing. Most likely we will move down a spot to 10th.
I am not even going to watch  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 3:45 pm : link
I'll come to bbi around 8 to see thread saying Knicks get 10th pick
I hate you  
djm : 5/15/2018 4:30 pm : link
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If he is right he will claim asshat status.  
Carl in CT : 5/15/2018 4:35 pm : link
I thought they pull one hour before the show with no phones allowes
Odds  
TyreeHelmet : 5/15/2018 4:39 pm : link
1st-1.7%
2nd-2.0%
3rd- 2.4%

9th-81.3%
10th-12.2%
11th-0.4%
12th- 0.002%

The Knicks are really due for some good luck. If they end up 12th after that season with those odds, just shut it down....
RE: Odds  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13964760 TyreeHelmet said:
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1st-1.7%
2nd-2.0%
3rd- 2.4%

9th-81.3%
10th-12.2%
11th-0.4%
12th- 0.002%

The Knicks are really due for some good luck. If they end up 12th after that season with those odds, just shut it down....



If they end up 12 I dont know what I would do
The Rangers were due for some good luck too  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 5:13 pm : link
Instead, they dropped yet again.

Ethan Hawke apparently used to get comped tickets from Dolan until he complained about D'Antoni being fired on The Tonight Show.
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Pick  
TyreeHelmet : 5/15/2018 5:53 pm : link
Obviously want to be in the top 3 which changes everything, but I would be happy to come away with Mikal Bridges or Sexton. Also really like Knox but very raw.

If Porter somehow drops and his medicals clear, I would be all over him. I could see him being the best player in this draft. A rare talent.

I know its unlikely on both sides, but I would be open to trading the 9th for the Clippers 12th and 13th picks. The Knicks badly need an influx of talent on the roster.
RE: Pick  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13964818 TyreeHelmet said:
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Obviously want to be in the top 3 which changes everything, but I would be happy to come away with Mikal Bridges or Sexton. Also really like Knox but very raw.

If Porter somehow drops and his medicals clear, I would be all over him. I could see him being the best player in this draft. A rare talent.

I know its unlikely on both sides, but I would be open to trading the 9th for the Clippers 12th and 13th picks. The Knicks badly need an influx of talent on the roster.


They need star talent, not just more talent. But by the same token, getting 2 picks gives you 2 shots as opposed to 1. Historically I wouldn't imagine the "star" rate of players picked at 9 is significantly higher than at 12, so that's a trade I would certainly do but doubt LAC would do.
Worst poster  
Jay on the Island : 5/15/2018 6:01 pm : link
Ever!
"Book it"  
UESBLUE : 5/15/2018 6:16 pm : link
should be immediate grounds for a ban.
Probably go backwards  
Oscar : 5/15/2018 6:34 pm : link
As usual. This franchise is on the long road to nowhere.
Cleveland Browns of the NBA  
GiantsUA : 5/15/2018 7:15 pm : link
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Knicks will pick 9th or 10th, book it  
GFAN52 : 5/15/2018 7:20 pm : link
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At least they didnít move  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/15/2018 8:21 pm : link
Down - I guess
SO miserable  
GMEN46 : 5/15/2018 8:23 pm : link
Being a Knicks fan. They can never catch a break. Obviously 9 they should get a solid nba player, but it just stinks we couldnít get top 3.
Does that  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 8:25 pm : link
Mean PatchoguePete wont post anymore?
Doncic  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2018 8:26 pm : link
Should be the pick.
NBA really knows how to put on a crappy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/15/2018 8:30 pm : link
Show. Jesus this is painful to watch.
Draft lottery is so stupid  
Justlurking : 5/15/2018 8:31 pm : link
Glad theyíre changing it but they didnít do nearly enough. Percentages should be based on winning % with some floors on how low you can drop. The fact that the Knicks won 8 more than worst record and had closer odds to nuggets who won 18 more games than them is ridiculous.

That said, they need to tank it up next season if KP is out until January. Just go all in on losing.
Welp  
PatchoguePete : 5/15/2018 8:35 pm : link
...
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 5/15/2018 8:39 pm : link
Missed the Sacramento spot by 2 games. That hurts- 2nd would have been nice. How about Orlando falling to 6 after blatantly tanking? That franchise is awful.

Iím still excited with the players that should be available at 9. At least they didnít move down...

And how about Boston projecting to have 4 1st round picks next year? Man o man do the rich get richer. The sixers also should get a really good player in this draft along with max cap space.
31 years and counting...  
GFAN52 : 5/15/2018 9:05 pm : link
The basketball gods still punishing the Knicks after the Ewing lottery...lol
Nailed it. Great work, Nostradamus.  
jcn56 : 5/15/2018 9:17 pm : link
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RE: The Knicks positions  
old man : 5/15/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13964691 old man said:
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in W-L and their resulting position in the lottery proves the faults of the lottery system and actually violate the concept of reverse order drafting.
If you finish low 10 3 straight years but the ball falls to #1 3 straight years you can turn around with a great young team while 3 straight years of the worst record and draw the 9/10 spot 3 straight years you could be in the dumpster another 5 years +.


Post lottery: I REST MY CASE.
Lottery  
TyreeHelmet : 5/15/2018 9:46 pm : link
I just read the Knicks won 5 of their last 13 games. I didnít even realize that.
RE: Lottery  
GFAN52 : 5/15/2018 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13965100 TyreeHelmet said:
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I just read the Knicks won 5 of their last 13 games. I didnít even realize that.


The Knicks ALWAYS win meaningless games at the end of seasons.
Losing Curry  
Samiam : 5/15/2018 10:18 pm : link
Didnít they lose the chance to draft Curry the same way by winning a few meaningless games the last week of the season?
RE: RE: Lottery  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13965108 GFAN52 said:
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I just read the Knicks won 5 of their last 13 games. I didnít even realize that.



The Knicks ALWAYS win meaningless games at the end of seasons.


They are not meaningless. They mean that Knicks pick a few spots lower and miss out on guys like Steph Curry
RE: Losing Curry  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13965136 Samiam said:
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Didnít they lose the chance to draft Curry the same way by winning a few meaningless games the last week of the season?


No they lost steph curry because donnie Walsh couldn't keep his mouth shut
RE: RE: Losing Curry  
EricNY33 : 5/16/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13965633 nygiants16 said:
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Didnít they lose the chance to draft Curry the same way by winning a few meaningless games the last week of the season?



No they lost steph curry because donnie Walsh couldn't keep his mouth shut


Right... because Golden State was going to take Jordan Hill? They lost out on Steph Curry because the Warriors picked before them.
where Donnie screwed  
Enzo : 5/16/2018 12:57 pm : link
up was not putting together a deal with Washington for their pick. They traded #5 to the Wolves for Foye/Miller. Supposedly Walsh was in talks for the pick but they couldn't agree. As for Curry, it's a miracle he lasted as long as he did in that draft. Bums like Thabeet and Flynn were taken ahead of him. It's more a case of the Warriors getting a ton of luck than us being unlucky. Donnie's other mistake was not tanking the season. Even after they traded Crawford and Zach early in the season, they were still playing to win.
How bout Minny taking Flynn AND Rubio over Steph?  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 12:59 pm : link
That tops any blunder the Knicks have ever committed on draft night.
Knicks Lost Out on Westbrook and Curry  
TheVette : 5/16/2018 2:36 pm : link
...because they won meaningless games at the end of those seasons. I know people tend to overlook that and claim it wasn't meant to be, but when you end with Gallinari and Hill - well you can see how those meaningless wins can change the course of a franchise.

As for this year - think the pick will either be Bridges from Nova or Sexton. If it's Sexton, that's an admission that Ntilkina was a bust pick. It will be funny to see how some hear "spin it" when they claim Ntilkina would make a "solid, defensive minded 2 guard" when they kid is a 35% shooter. Sjhould NEVER had let Phil make that pick, and the fire him a few days later.
RE: RE: Losing Curry  
TheVette : 5/16/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13965633 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13965136 Samiam said:


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Didnít they lose the chance to draft Curry the same way by winning a few meaningless games the last week of the season?



No they lost steph curry because donnie Walsh couldn't keep his mouth shut


Yep - same thing with Reese when he openly pined for Conklin and Floyd, and git jumped twice by the Titans and Bears, and ended up with the "bad apple"
He didnít openly pine for Conklin or Floyd  
djm : 5/16/2018 2:40 pm : link
.. he likely said ďgood looking prospects and we will explore everyone in this classĒ

Then he and other nyg scouts SCOUTED those players, titans / bears moved up and BBI got the vapors.
As someone who doesn't watch college bb  
Mike from SI : 5/16/2018 3:07 pm : link
which of the possible picks do we NOT want?
RE: As someone who doesn't watch college bb  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13965852 Mike from SI said:
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which of the possible picks do we NOT want?


For me it is young or sexton...

RE: Knicks Lost Out on Westbrook and Curry  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13965801 TheVette said:
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...because they won meaningless games at the end of those seasons. I know people tend to overlook that and claim it wasn't meant to be, but when you end with Gallinari and Hill - well you can see how those meaningless wins can change the course of a franchise.

As for this year - think the pick will either be Bridges from Nova or Sexton. If it's Sexton, that's an admission that Ntilkina was a bust pick. It will be funny to see how some hear "spin it" when they claim Ntilkina would make a "solid, defensive minded 2 guard" when they kid is a 35% shooter. Sjhould NEVER had let Phil make that pick, and the fire him a few days later.


How would Sexton be an admission that Frank was a mistake? An NBA roster starts 2 guards, and some teams run 3 for stretches. And Frank is long enough to play the 3 too.

I swear, some people on here just bash the Knicks now without watching. Things aren't going fantastic but theres a bunch of teams worse off now.

Making definitive statements after a rookie season never usually turns out well. It's not lke Frank was unplayable.
RE: As someone who doesn't watch college bb  
Jon in NYC : 5/16/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13965852 Mike from SI said:
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which of the possible picks do we NOT want?


I think you're going to get different answers. I don't want Sexton or Young. I'd be fine with any of the SFs - Porter, Bridgi, Knox.
RE: As someone who doesn't watch college bb  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13965852 Mike from SI said:
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which of the possible picks do we NOT want?


Young, Bagley, Carter
RE: RE: Knicks Lost Out on Westbrook and Curry  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13965872 giantsfan44ab said:
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...because they won meaningless games at the end of those seasons. I know people tend to overlook that and claim it wasn't meant to be, but when you end with Gallinari and Hill - well you can see how those meaningless wins can change the course of a franchise.

As for this year - think the pick will either be Bridges from Nova or Sexton. If it's Sexton, that's an admission that Ntilkina was a bust pick. It will be funny to see how some hear "spin it" when they claim Ntilkina would make a "solid, defensive minded 2 guard" when they kid is a 35% shooter. Sjhould NEVER had let Phil make that pick, and the fire him a few days later.



How would Sexton be an admission that Frank was a mistake? An NBA roster starts 2 guards, and some teams run 3 for stretches. And Frank is long enough to play the 3 too.

I swear, some people on here just bash the Knicks now without watching. Things aren't going fantastic but theres a bunch of teams worse off now.

Making definitive statements after a rookie season never usually turns out well. It's not lke Frank was unplayable.


Not to mention fizdale already said he is a positionless coach
RE: RE: As someone who doesn't watch college bb  
Anakim : 5/16/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13965876 giantsfan44ab said:
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which of the possible picks do we NOT want?



Young, Bagley, Carter



Why do we not want Bagley or Carter?
The Knicks refusal to tank ever is as big of  
NoGainDayne : 5/16/2018 3:43 pm : link
a reason as any that we are mired in mediocrity.

It feels like every season that we are losing a draft slot or two in the last game alone. You could call it pride but i'm pretty sure your franchise has to not be a joke to substantiate that claim. It's just stupidity.
RE: RE: RE: As someone who doesn't watch college bb  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13965890 Anakim said:
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which of the possible picks do we NOT want?


Why do we not want Bagley or Carter?


Few reasons.

First, I'm afraid of drafting players that can be played off the floor in certain situations. Bagley had severe issues with defensive awareness. He is not a rim protector and is skinny. He *should* have the tools to be a good one on one defender, but it's not like he's a surefire offensive star. He has a shaky shot and no post game, he relied on athleticism, he was a bona fide scrapper. His FT% has me worried his shot isn't directly transferable. Carter I am less worried about, but I think he can be forced to the bench in small ball lineups. KP has issues on switches himself, introducing 2 guys have me worried.

Second, center are easy to come buy in the NBA through FA. It's the most saturated position in the NBA. Randle is a FA who I'd target if Kanter opts out. There's also guys like Deandre Jordan. Cousins who might be a top 20-25 player in the league may have no interest and could potentially be picked up at good value. It's just every it seems teams knock center out of the park. If I'm rolling the dice on a 5 I want a surefire defensive stud. I'd be fine with Bamba. Gobert can survive small ball lineups because no one can score on him. Bagley and Carter don't strike me as those types.

I said this on the other thread, I'd rather trade #9 for Bobby Portis + than take either of those 2 guys. Not that I don't think they'll be busts, but Portis is already an offensive stud that gives you spacing, passing, and rebounding. Chicago would do that too. Why risk it on an unknown when you can proven 5s at a discount in the NBA?
RE: He didnít openly pine for Conklin or Floyd  
TheVette : 5/16/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13965810 djm said:
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.. he likely said ďgood looking prospects and we will explore everyone in this classĒ

Then he and other nyg scouts SCOUTED those players, titans / bears moved up and BBI got the vapors.


Not buying it - when you get jumped TWICE like they did - it's because you were talking too much, which Reese was. You do know even making a comment like "good looking prospects" is pure speculation, but the getting jumped twice is fact.
RE: RE: Knicks Lost Out on Westbrook and Curry  
TheVette : 5/16/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13965872 giantsfan44ab said:
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...because they won meaningless games at the end of those seasons. I know people tend to overlook that and claim it wasn't meant to be, but when you end with Gallinari and Hill - well you can see how those meaningless wins can change the course of a franchise.

As for this year - think the pick will either be Bridges from Nova or Sexton. If it's Sexton, that's an admission that Ntilkina was a bust pick. It will be funny to see how some hear "spin it" when they claim Ntilkina would make a "solid, defensive minded 2 guard" when they kid is a 35% shooter. Sjhould NEVER had let Phil make that pick, and the fire him a few days later.



How would Sexton be an admission that Frank was a mistake? An NBA roster starts 2 guards, and some teams run 3 for stretches. And Frank is long enough to play the 3 too.

I swear, some people on here just bash the Knicks now without watching. Things aren't going fantastic but theres a bunch of teams worse off now.

Making definitive statements after a rookie season never usually turns out well. It's not lke Frank was unplayable.


So Frank is now a 2-guard, or maybe even a 3? really? Is that how you will rationalize this. He's 6'5 - too small to play the 3, and he doesn't shoot well enough to play the 2. It's Knicks fan like you who have spent the last 18 years acting like this team has a plan. Yea, "let's just move" Frank to the 2 or 3, as if that as the plan all along? The guy who drafted him got canned a week later, but that was the "plan"
RE: RE: RE: Knicks Lost Out on Westbrook and Curry  
TheVette : 5/16/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13965878 nygiants16 said:
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...because they won meaningless games at the end of those seasons. I know people tend to overlook that and claim it wasn't meant to be, but when you end with Gallinari and Hill - well you can see how those meaningless wins can change the course of a franchise.

As for this year - think the pick will either be Bridges from Nova or Sexton. If it's Sexton, that's an admission that Ntilkina was a bust pick. It will be funny to see how some hear "spin it" when they claim Ntilkina would make a "solid, defensive minded 2 guard" when they kid is a 35% shooter. Sjhould NEVER had let Phil make that pick, and the fire him a few days later.



How would Sexton be an admission that Frank was a mistake? An NBA roster starts 2 guards, and some teams run 3 for stretches. And Frank is long enough to play the 3 too.

I swear, some people on here just bash the Knicks now without watching. Things aren't going fantastic but theres a bunch of teams worse off now.

Making definitive statements after a rookie season never usually turns out well. It's not lke Frank was unplayable.



Not to mention fizdale already said he is a positionless coach


Positionless = "we know he' isn;t a PG, so let's act like we knew all along he could play the 2 or the 3, and act like that was the plan all along. Some Knick fans are so stupid, they spin everything this dysfunctional franchise does
RE: RE: RE: Knicks Lost Out on Westbrook and Curry  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13965912 TheVette said:
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So Frank is now a 2-guard, or maybe even a 3? really? Is that how you will rationalize this. He's 6'5 - too small to play the 3, and he doesn't shoot well enough to play the 2. It's Knicks fan like you who have spent the last 18 years acting like this team has a plan. Yea, "let's just move" Frank to the 2 or 3, as if that as the plan all along? The guy who drafted him got canned a week later, but that was the "plan"


I thought Frank was a 2 guard from the beginning. So being a good passer now hurts you as a 2 guard?

And his shooting is final I guess. He will remain a 32% shooter for his career and never improve? KP was on fire to start his career? How about guys like Garry Harris and Derozan?

All Im saying is he was the youngest player in the league last year or one of them. He is already showing promise as a defender. His passing is a major plus as a 2 guard. If he gets to even 36% shooting from 3 I think he's a long time starting 2 guard in the NBA. Or can we not expect for any improvement?
Maybe you should go re read the draft threads  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:01 pm : link
A lot of people said he would be a 2 first and then see if he could develop into a point...

He started as a 2 for his French league...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Knicks Lost Out on Westbrook and Curry  
Jon in NYC : 5/16/2018 4:03 pm : link
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...because they won meaningless games at the end of those seasons. I know people tend to overlook that and claim it wasn't meant to be, but when you end with Gallinari and Hill - well you can see how those meaningless wins can change the course of a franchise.

As for this year - think the pick will either be Bridges from Nova or Sexton. If it's Sexton, that's an admission that Ntilkina was a bust pick. It will be funny to see how some hear "spin it" when they claim Ntilkina would make a "solid, defensive minded 2 guard" when they kid is a 35% shooter. Sjhould NEVER had let Phil make that pick, and the fire him a few days later.



How would Sexton be an admission that Frank was a mistake? An NBA roster starts 2 guards, and some teams run 3 for stretches. And Frank is long enough to play the 3 too.

I swear, some people on here just bash the Knicks now without watching. Things aren't going fantastic but theres a bunch of teams worse off now.

Making definitive statements after a rookie season never usually turns out well. It's not lke Frank was unplayable.



Not to mention fizdale already said he is a positionless coach



Positionless = "we know he' isn;t a PG, so let's act like we knew all along he could play the 2 or the 3, and act like that was the plan all along. Some Knick fans are so stupid, they spin everything this dysfunctional franchise does


No, positionless = versatile. That was always park of Frank's appeal. The only question is where does he fit in offensively, but even that's becoming less relevant in the NBA.
And positionless basketball  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:03 pm : link
Means free flowing offense there is not one guy who runs the offense...

Question for you? Who is the point guard in the warriors?
Tony Parker  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 4:06 pm : link
who everyone seemed to compare Frank to last year, had a pretty subpar offensive rookie year and was a turnstile on defense for the first few years. Frank can at least hold his own on defense.

If Frank was 21-22 and was struggling to see 20 minutes a game like DJ Wilson or Justin Jackson or Tyler lydon I'd be worried.

Frank was an undersized 19 year old coming from overseas. He has shown some very positive aspects, has shown flashes off offensive skill. Consistency is his next step. He is going to get better. Just like Lonzo Ball will. People love to shit on guys way too early. I wonder what your early thoughts were on Gary Harris, Derozan and Kawhi Leonard after their rookie years.
It won't take much for Frank to become a good NBA player.  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 4:11 pm : link
Defense is already suffocating, strength and conditioning will obviously improve, and I think he's a better shooter than he showed last season. He's got a good stroke. The whole team just functions better when he's on the court.
And not for nothing  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:21 pm : link
Donovan mitchell was fantastic this year, but even he did not play the point this year...
RE: Maybe you should go re read the draft threads  
TheVette : 5/16/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13965931 nygiants16 said:
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A lot of people said he would be a 2 first and then see if he could develop into a point...

He started as a 2 for his French league...


Now you're just making stuff up. The trade for Mudiay and the signing of Burke shoved him over to the 2 spot so he could see the court, so if they actually wanted a 2 guard in the draft, they would have drafted Mitchell.
RE: RE: Maybe you should go re read the draft threads  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13965966 TheVette said:
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A lot of people said he would be a 2 first and then see if he could develop into a point...

He started as a 2 for his French league...



Now you're just making stuff up. The trade for Mudiay and the signing of Burke shoved him over to the 2 spot so he could see the court, so if they actually wanted a 2 guard in the draft, they would have drafted Mitchell.


Umm the comparisons on these threads were to Khris middleton...

I for a fact said that he would be better off playing the 2 to start and then move to the 1 as he got more comfortable...

The only person making shit up is you...

RE: And positionless basketball  
TheVette : 5/16/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13965933 nygiants16 said:
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Means free flowing offense there is not one guy who runs the offense...

Question for you? Who is the point guard in the warriors?


Green and Curry share that role, Are you implying that Frank can be Steph Curry, and the Knicks even have a swiss-army-knife talent like Draymond to make that work here? It works in GS, because they have THOSE guys.
So vette  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 4:28 pm : link
Put your money where your mouth is. What do you see as Frankís peak, both offensively and defensively. What kind of numbers will he be putting up at age 24-27? How many minutes a game will he be getting? What do you think his peak shooting %ís will be?
RE: RE: And positionless basketball  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13965973 TheVette said:
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Means free flowing offense there is not one guy who runs the offense...

Question for you? Who is the point guard in the warriors?



Green and Curry share that role, Are you implying that Frank can be Steph Curry, and the Knicks even have a swiss-army-knife talent like Draymond to make that work here? It works in GS, because they have THOSE guys.


No I was talking about positionless basketball and your post proves my point that you have no idea what you are talking about...

Warriors do not have a point guard, they do not have a shooting guard, they do not have a sml forward, they do not have a power forward and they do not have a center...

Their offense has 5 guys moving without the ball and the ball is always moving, everyone can handle it and everyone can pass it...

That is what fizdale wants to build here..
Yes, the pre-draft Frank chatter  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 4:30 pm : link
was mostly about his fit in the triangle offense, where the point guard doesn't dominate the ball - it played to his strengths. He's always been viewed as more of a combo guard in a modern NBA offense. He can easily play off the ball with a Burke or a Sexton. The guy who's in everybody's way is Timmy, but I digress.
So say Knicks draft sexton  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:31 pm : link
And the Knicks start Sexton and frank in the same back court, who is the po int guard?
RE: So say Knicks draft sexton  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13965983 nygiants16 said:
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And the Knicks start Sexton and frank in the same back court, who is the po int guard?


I think Sexton in that scenario, is a better handler, much better first step and can penetrate better as a result.

In that scenario I would start shifting Frank to the 3 and starting Burke at the point lol. Out of the box but I think it could work.
RE: RE: So say Knicks draft sexton  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:43 pm : link
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And the Knicks start Sexton and frank in the same back court, who is the po int guard?



I think Sexton in that scenario, is a better handler, much better first step and can penetrate better as a result.

In that scenario I would start shifting Frank to the 3 and starting Burke at the point lol. Out of the box but I think it could work.


My point was neither are the point guard, because they would be interchangeable offensively
Easy  
Carl in CT : 5/16/2018 4:45 pm : link
Sexton
Well when push comes to shove  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 4:48 pm : link
you need the ball in a reliable ball handlers hands. But I agree I like the prospect of maximizing the number of ball handlers on the floor without giving up much on size. Big reason i love SGA but I'm warming up to Sexton as well.
RE: Well when push comes to shove  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13966013 giantsfan44ab said:
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you need the ball in a reliable ball handlers hands. But I agree I like the prospect of maximizing the number of ball handlers on the floor without giving up much on size. Big reason i love SGA but I'm warming up to Sexton as well.


One thing I really like about Sexton he could be a lock down defender...

Him and frank in the back court would be damn good defensively...
RE: RE: RE: Lottery  
GFAN52 : 5/16/2018 4:58 pm : link
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I just read the Knicks won 5 of their last 13 games. I didnít even realize that.



The Knicks ALWAYS win meaningless games at the end of seasons.



They are not meaningless. They mean that Knicks pick a few spots lower and miss out on guys like Steph Curry


That's my point! They are meaningless once the Knicks are eliminated form the playoffs and obviously they adversely affect the odds in the lottery.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 4:58 pm : link
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you need the ball in a reliable ball handlers hands. But I agree I like the prospect of maximizing the number of ball handlers on the floor without giving up much on size. Big reason i love SGA but I'm warming up to Sexton as well.



One thing I really like about Sexton he could be a lock down defender...

Him and frank in the back court would be damn good defensively...


I think SGA can too, he isnt as explosive but moves better laterally, is 6'6" and has really good hands,
The Magic and Bulls made a mockery of professional basketball  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 5:01 pm : link
with the way they shamelessly tanked. They wound up with the sixth and seventh picks, respectively. We're at nine. It's really not that big of a difference. Be thankful we actually have draft picks - we'll only get younger and more talented over the next couple of years.
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nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13966022 giantsfan44ab said:
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you need the ball in a reliable ball handlers hands. But I agree I like the prospect of maximizing the number of ball handlers on the floor without giving up much on size. Big reason i love SGA but I'm warming up to Sexton as well.



One thing I really like about Sexton he could be a lock down defender...

Him and frank in the back court would be damn good defensively...



I think SGA can too, he isnt as explosive but moves better laterally, is 6'6" and has really good hands,


I have to watch some videos of sga...

You draft one of these guys, have to trade lee for a big or 3/4 type of guy...

If Kanter opted out and Knicks signed randle...

Sga or Sexton
Frank
Hardaway
Randle
Kp

I could get behind that starting 5...
SGA and Frank are awfully similar  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 5:09 pm : link
but I think Mikal and Frank may wind up being pretty similar, too. Mikal's shooting percentages were worse than Frank's at the same age, and look how far he's come. Sexton and Miles Bridges are a little more complementary to the pieces we already have. Let's face it, whomever we draft is gonna be our second or third best player the second he shakes Adam Silver's hand. We'll fit any of them in.
Obviously cherry picking best games  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 5:12 pm : link
aren't the best way to judge but this was a good one.

Ideally we have THJR coming off the bench. I'd rather start Burke over THJR and have SGA and FN rotating guarding the wings. Then go after a SF next offseason.
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RE: SGA and Frank are awfully similar  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13966034 bceagle05 said:
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but I think Mikal and Frank may wind up being pretty similar, too. Mikal's shooting percentages were worse than Frank's at the same age, and look how far he's come. Sexton and Miles Bridges are a little more complementary to the pieces we already have. Let's face it, whomever we draft is gonna be our second or third best player the second he shakes Adam Silver's hand. We'll fit any of them in.


I don't think Frank's handle is comparable to SGA's.
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Jon in NYC : 5/16/2018 5:30 pm : link
Top PnR Ball-Handler Defenders by PPP (min 150poss):
1. Frank Ntilikina: 0.66
2. Chris Paul: 0.69
3. Victor Oladipo: 0.69
4. Jrue Holiday: 0.70
5. Jaylen Brown: 0.71http://bit.ly/hwkx143
RE: ...  
TyreeHelmet : 5/16/2018 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13966048 Jon in NYC said:
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Top PnR Ball-Handler Defenders by PPP (min 150poss):
1. Frank Ntilikina: 0.66
2. Chris Paul: 0.69
3. Victor Oladipo: 0.69
4. Jrue Holiday: 0.70
5. Jaylen Brown: 0.71http://bit.ly/hwkx143


I have no idea what this stat is, but its completely worthless if its saying Frank has a better handle or runs a better PNR than CP3.

Frank needs to make significant improvements in ball handling and finishing.
Frank  
GMEN46 : 5/16/2018 8:52 pm : link
I think Frank is going to be a very good 2 way NBA player. He will work hard to become better. His form on his shot is nice, a little long but nice. If Kanter opts out and Knicks are not smart enough to just offer one year deals to fill the cap space, I would consider giving Marcus Smart a deal if you can get him at a reasonable price.
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BigBlueShock : 5/16/2018 8:54 pm : link
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Top PnR Ball-Handler Defenders by PPP (min 150poss):
1. Frank Ntilikina: 0.66
2. Chris Paul: 0.69
3. Victor Oladipo: 0.69
4. Jrue Holiday: 0.70
5. Jaylen Brown: 0.71http://bit.ly/hwkx143



I have no idea what this stat is, but its completely worthless if its saying Frank has a better handle or runs a better PNR than CP3.

Frank needs to make significant improvements in ball handling and finishing.

Iím not sure either but doesnít it also say ďdefendersĒ?
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nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13966142 TyreeHelmet said:
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Top PnR Ball-Handler Defenders by PPP (min 150poss):
1. Frank Ntilikina: 0.66
2. Chris Paul: 0.69
3. Victor Oladipo: 0.69
4. Jrue Holiday: 0.70
5. Jaylen Brown: 0.71http://bit.ly/hwkx143



I have no idea what this stat is, but its completely worthless if its saying Frank has a better handle or runs a better PNR than CP3.

Frank needs to make significant improvements in ball handling and finishing.


It is a defensive stat
When guarding  
Jon in NYC : 5/16/2018 8:56 pm : link
the pick and roll, Frank allows the fewest baskets for a PG in the NBA.
Coach Bud headed to Milwaukee.  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 8:56 pm : link
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RE: Coach Bud headed to Milwaukee.  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 9:03 pm : link
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Wonder how much power they are giving him
RE: RE: Coach Bud headed to Milwaukee.  
giantsfan44ab : 5/17/2018 9:00 am : link
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Wonder how much power they are giving him


Bucks do not have much flexibility after Kidd blew up their cap sheet. Not many decisions to make.
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nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 9:05 am : link
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Wonder how much power they are giving him



Bucks do not have much flexibility after Kidd blew up their cap sheet. Not many decisions to make.


The ok only reason I asked, was because in atlanta it blew up when they took away his GM respinsibilities
RE: The Magic and Bulls made a mockery of professional basketball  
dep026 : 5/17/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 13966026 bceagle05 said:
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with the way they shamelessly tanked. They wound up with the sixth and seventh picks, respectively. We're at nine. It's really not that big of a difference. Be thankful we actually have draft picks - we'll only get younger and more talented over the next couple of years.


The bulls won a bunch of games when they had Mirotic and Portis healthy and not beating up each other. Mirotic and Portis both had stretches of excellent BBall.
Little birdy  
DanMetroMan : 5/17/2018 9:36 am : link
told me the Knicks paid extra close attention to Zhaire Smith towards the end of the season. I wonder if he's this years Mitchell (in terms of helium).
RE: Little birdy  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 9:39 am : link
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told me the Knicks paid extra close attention to Zhaire Smith towards the end of the season. I wonder if he's this years Mitchell (in terms of helium).


There is a video of him working out last night in chicago, his form looks so ugly, but his shot fell...

He gathered from his hip and it was so slow
RE: RE: Little birdy  
DanMetroMan : 5/17/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13966351 nygiants16 said:
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told me the Knicks paid extra close attention to Zhaire Smith towards the end of the season. I wonder if he's this years Mitchell (in terms of helium).



There is a video of him working out last night in chicago, his form looks so ugly, but his shot fell...

He gathered from his hip and it was so slow


Meh. Doesn't look bad to me. Can easily be cleaned up. 45% from 3 (limited attempts) but no red flag from me
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nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 9:53 am : link
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told me the Knicks paid extra close attention to Zhaire Smith towards the end of the season. I wonder if he's this years Mitchell (in terms of helium).



There is a video of him working out last night in chicago, his form looks so ugly, but his shot fell...

He gathered from his hip and it was so slow



Meh. Doesn't look bad to me. Can easily be cleaned up. 45% from 3 (limited attempts) but no red flag from me Link - ( New Window )


Yeah I just watched some of his videos on YouTube and it doesnt look bad but in his workout it looked weird
He made 18 3's  
giantsfan44ab : 5/17/2018 10:09 am : link
and his FT% is OK but still troublesome. Haven't seen him as much as the other guys but if he has a shaky shot and isn't a great ball handler those are certainly red flags on offense.
Zhaire Smith is an excellent defender, too, which the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 5/17/2018 10:15 am : link
have been harping on for weeks. Still a bit of a project offensively though. There's a lot to like about a bunch of these guys.
To me  
giantsfan44ab : 5/17/2018 10:28 am : link
ball handling and shooting are the two biggest separators of stars from the rest of the pack (aside from big man, but even that's changing; if you aren't gobert or deandre you need those 2 to enter the elite ranks). Especially for guards. Obviously athletcism matters but there are ton of great athletes. And if you can't shoot you better be an absolute (Greek) Freak. Giannis isn't a non shooter either.

I know what Jerry West said about expecting stars with later picks but these are traits I'd look for at any point in the draft. Ball handling isn't a trait where I see players transform dramatically once youre in the NBA. Kawhi is really the only that I can think that took it to another level. And if you can't handle, you better be like Klay as a shooter. Which is why I can get behind Bridges (who also has a decent enough handle to take advantage of mismatches and get mid range separation).
Would you trade 9 for 12 and 13?  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 11:24 am : link
Draft Walker and knox?
I would definitely trade with the Clips.  
bceagle05 : 5/17/2018 11:35 am : link
I don't think they would though - if they're packaging those two picks I'd think they'd want to move higher than nine, unless someone they LOVE happens to drop to us.
RE: Would you trade 9 for 12 and 13?  
giantsfan44ab : 5/17/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13966518 nygiants16 said:
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Draft Walker and knox?


Don't know about those 2 specifically but I'd hands down do that deal.
Knox isn't lasting till 12  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 11:38 am : link
No way
This off-season is lacking some steam for me...  
aimrocky : 5/17/2018 11:41 am : link
It's possible I'm finally burnt out by the negativity surrounding this franchise for the past two decades, or knowing this season will be another dud. Having the 9th pick isn't getting me excited.
Pretty good article comparing Dotson to Josh Richardson...  
bceagle05 : 5/17/2018 11:50 am : link
The premise is that Fizdale will build the kind of system Spoelstra has in Miami, and be drawn to the same kind of athletes. Dotson and Frank fit the bill, Mudiay and Burke do not.

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Damyean Dotson, dubbed the ďotherĒ rookie this year as a result of the limelight given to lottery pick Ntilikina, is the other guy that could fit Fizdaleís blueprint. There are a lot of similarities between Dotson and Richardson. Both 6-foot-6, both second-rounders picked 44th and 40th, respectively, both spent four years in college and were drafted on their 3-and-D potential. Dotson (38 percent, 6.9 rebounds, 1.1 assists) shot better than Richardson (32 percent, 4.5 rebounds, 3.6 assists) from three over their college careers, and was an elite rebounder for a guard, whilst Richardson had the edge as a passeróbut both were clearly 3-and-D archetypes, nonetheless.

Random article I know, but I'm a believer in Dotson and hope he doesn't get buried.
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RE: This off-season is lacking some steam for me...  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13966540 aimrocky said:
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It's possible I'm finally burnt out by the negativity surrounding this franchise for the past two decades, or knowing this season will be another dud. Having the 9th pick isn't getting me excited.


Funny since this is the most optimism for the future in a long time...

Knicks actually are not dysfunctional ok neal and actually operating like a real franchise
I dont know what doncic is trying to pull  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 12:17 pm : link
But he is telling people he is not sure if he is going to come out...

Interestingly enough kp is working out with real madrid...

Highly doubtful Knicks could get that high unless they have up multiple first round picks
Well I would agree Knox is NOT  
Carl in CT : 5/17/2018 12:46 pm : link
Going top 10. He could be there.
RE: I dont know what doncic is trying to pull  
EricNY33 : 5/17/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13966593 nygiants16 said:
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But he is telling people he is not sure if he is going to come out...

Interestingly enough kp is working out with real madrid...

Highly doubtful Knicks could get that high unless they have up multiple first round picks


But it's certainly plausible he withdraws from this year's draft.
Maybe  
Professor Falken : 5/17/2018 12:52 pm : link
Doncic doesn't want to get sent to Siberia, I mean Sacramento.
RE: Well I would agree Knox is NOT  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 12:55 pm : link
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Going top 10. He could be there.


He is just very intriguing to me and Kentucky prospects never get to show their full arsenal...

Miles bridges  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 12:56 pm : link
Is down to 220 with 5 percent body fat..

Measured 6 foot 7 6 foot 10 wingspan..

He was 240 his freshman year
RE: Miles bridges  
EricNY33 : 5/17/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13966630 nygiants16 said:
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Is down to 220 with 5 percent body fat..

Measured 6 foot 7 6 foot 10 wingspan..

He was 240 his freshman year


He is my Bridges of choice
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RE: RE: Miles bridges  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 1:04 pm : link
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Is down to 220 with 5 percent body fat..

Measured 6 foot 7 6 foot 10 wingspan..

He was 240 his freshman year



He is my Bridges of choice


Mine to, I like mikal but I feel miles has superstar potential...

I wanted him last year before he pulled out..
Fine with either Bridges  
giantsfan44ab : 5/17/2018 1:06 pm : link
I dont see superstar with Miles, he is a pretty basic ball handler. I see an athletic 3 and D with him.
The Knicks seem to be on solid ground  
arniefez : 5/17/2018 1:33 pm : link
to move up in next years lottery. I kind of like this new Knicks NBA. You know before the season starts they have no chance, no hope and will be in the lottery mix. With the new rules next year they only need to be one of the 3 worst teams to have an equal chance to win the Lottery trophy. Is next year over yet?
RE: I dont know what doncic is trying to pull  
TyreeHelmet : 5/17/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13966593 nygiants16 said:
[quote] But he is telling people he is not sure if he is going to come out...

Interestingly enough kp is working out with real madrid...

Highly doubtful Knicks could get that high unless they have up multiple first round picks [/quote

How much is he making from Real Madrid? Iíd much rather be living in Madrid than Sacramento. What are the rules if heís drafted but refuses to play? Can he wait it out to become a UFA in a few years?

Trae Young has bust written all over to me. Iíll be furious if the Knicks draft him.
RE: RE: He didnít openly pine for Conklin or Floyd  
djm : 5/17/2018 1:51 pm : link
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.. he likely said ďgood looking prospects and we will explore everyone in this classĒ

Then he and other nyg scouts SCOUTED those players, titans / bears moved up and BBI got the vapors.



Not buying it - when you get jumped TWICE like they did - it's because you were talking too much, which Reese was. You do know even making a comment like "good looking prospects" is pure speculation, but the getting jumped twice is fact.


Dude, teams are jumping ahead because they aren't stupid. They don't know anything for a fact just like any of the so called insiders don't know anything for a fact. Teams aren't dense, they see the players that are rated where they are and they see the teams in need for that player and they pounce. Even if the Titans HEARD from a reliable source (horse shit) that the Giants DIDN'T like that player, they would be nuts not to move up.

Whatever gets you through the night. Just remember the best trade in NYG history was made on the basis that EVERYONE knew Ernie loved Eli. How'd that work out?

Doesn't matter. I don't care about this loose lips crap. I think that along with the not tanking horse crap are not what is wrong with this franchise.

Philly needed 6 fucking years to hit on two picks. If you're bad, fine, be bad...but to sit here and blast a team because the 7 players that played actually played hard and well? That's shit.
the vette  
djm : 5/17/2018 1:54 pm : link
you're set in your ways. The Knicks have no shot. Every move the make is laughable and why bother. We get it.

17 or 10 years ago means nothing to me. You should try that out.
Kings  
TyreeHelmet : 5/17/2018 1:56 pm : link
Anyone else see the video of the Kings front office going nuts with the lottery results? I get it that they jumped up 5 spots but they were acting like they won the championship. This is a team that has picked in the top 10 for the last 10 years and donít even own their pick next year.
RE: Fine with either Bridges  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13966644 giantsfan44ab said:
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I dont see superstar with Miles, he is a pretty basic ball handler. I see an athletic 3 and D with him.


Superstar is to strong...

I see Draymond type with a little less defense and a little more offense, that versatile player
RE: Kings  
giantsfan44ab : 5/17/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13966693 TyreeHelmet said:
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Anyone else see the video of the Kings front office going nuts with the lottery results? I get it that they jumped up 5 spots but they were acting like they won the championship. This is a team that has picked in the top 10 for the last 10 years and donít even own their pick next year.


Not talking high on the Kings but it's their highest pick in 40 years. They picked 5 or 4 in the past decade (cousins and evans). There's no main piece there and they have a lot of players that can be solid role players/starters, they're just too dumb to package them for a bigger fish.
We need somebody who can create with his own shot, not someone  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/17/2018 8:31 pm : link
who can hit open three's or slam home lobs. I don't think the ability to create is something you can develop. It's nice to dream about having a 3-and-D guy who may be able to develop an offensive game, but that rarely happens. And it would be laughable if that's what the Knicks target. It'd be like looking for Ariza before you even have Harden or Paul.

Porter/Sexton/Young, in that order for me.
Porter Jr. seems like it would be a home run swing, which is what we  
Anakim : 5/17/2018 8:42 pm : link
need. I mean at 9 you might as well swing for the fences instead of going the safe route like either Bridges.
Watched some more Zhaire Smith  
giantsfan44ab : 5/18/2018 9:37 am : link
Kinda reminds me of a guard version of Aaron Gordon at Arizona.
If  
Jon in NYC : 5/18/2018 9:38 am : link
Porter is there at 9 you sprint to the podium. Extremely high upside.
Porter falling to the Knicks is exactly what I am hoping for  
Heisenberg : 5/18/2018 9:46 am : link
More likely we get a Bridges tho
Porter is a no brainer if available  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2018 12:00 pm : link
Was a likely top 3 pick if he had been healthy last season.
RE: Porter is a no brainer if available  
Anakim : 5/18/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13967559 Greg from LI said:
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Was a likely top 3 pick if he had been healthy last season.


Can't you say the same thing about Skal a couple of years ago? Or like Cliff Alexander? Or even Jahlil Okafor. Okafor was considered a better prospect going into HS than KAT was.


Was health the ONLY reason MPJ struggled?
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nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 12:03 pm : link
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Was a likely top 3 pick if he had been healthy last season.



Can't you say the same thing about Skal a couple of years ago? Or like Cliff Alexander? Or even Jahlil Okafor. Okafor was considered a better prospect going into HS than KAT was.


Was health the ONLY reason MPJ struggled?


He played 2 games
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Anakim : 5/18/2018 12:06 pm : link
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Was a likely top 3 pick if he had been healthy last season.



Can't you say the same thing about Skal a couple of years ago? Or like Cliff Alexander? Or even Jahlil Okafor. Okafor was considered a better prospect going into HS than KAT was.


Was health the ONLY reason MPJ struggled?



He played 2 games


2.5, and he came off the bench as a precaution, I'm guessing
RE: RE: Porter is a no brainer if available  
giantsfan44ab : 5/18/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13967563 Anakim said:
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Was a likely top 3 pick if he had been healthy last season.



Can't you say the same thing about Skal a couple of years ago? Or like Cliff Alexander? Or even Jahlil Okafor. Okafor was considered a better prospect going into HS than KAT was.


Was health the ONLY reason MPJ struggled?


None of those guys had health issues. And none of those guys could shoot 3s, are all were centers that can't defend the rim.
I think Chicago  
Metnut : 5/18/2018 12:09 pm : link
is in love with Porter and is hoping he drops to them.
RE: I think Chicago  
Anakim : 5/18/2018 12:16 pm : link
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is in love with Porter and is hoping he drops to them.


The Post said today that Chicago may be in love with Mikal Bridges
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Anakim : 5/18/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13967574 giantsfan44ab said:
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Was a likely top 3 pick if he had been healthy last season.



Can't you say the same thing about Skal a couple of years ago? Or like Cliff Alexander? Or even Jahlil Okafor. Okafor was considered a better prospect going into HS than KAT was.


Was health the ONLY reason MPJ struggled?



None of those guys had health issues. And none of those guys could shoot 3s, are all were centers that can't defend the rim.



Fair. Interestingly enough, I think I've seen some comparisons to Gallinari with Porter Jr.
RE: RE: I think Chicago  
GFAN52 : 5/18/2018 12:17 pm : link
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is in love with Porter and is hoping he drops to them.



The Post said today that Chicago may be in love with Mikal Bridges


I think the Knicks will end up with Mikal Bridges when all is said and done.
Very very early  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 12:21 pm : link
But some reports are saying Memphis is willing to trade down...

They are right in the middle of where all the centers should go and we already know all of their decisions are made based on gasol..
Knicks fans love to shit on Gallo  
giantsfan44ab : 5/18/2018 12:21 pm : link
but getting someone who'll average ~20 PPG at #9 is a less than likely outcome. But I dont think Gallo is comparable to Porter athletically.
ANd HS rankings are  
giantsfan44ab : 5/18/2018 12:23 pm : link
intended as a projection for college, not NBA. Okafor had a better college season than KAT.
The reason porter would slide  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 12:23 pm : link
Is teams would be nervous to take him because they have not seen him play in a while...

He is not going to workout at the combine and my guess he only does individuals...

Teams may side with guys they have seen play recently rather than the guy who they haven't seen..
RE: Knicks fans love to shit on Gallo  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13967600 giantsfan44ab said:
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but getting someone who'll average ~20 PPG at #9 is a less than likely outcome. But I dont think Gallo is comparable to Porter athletically.


I love gallinari coming out, what hurt him was the injuries...

Knicks get a gallo type at 9 I am good
Would Jerry West trade his 2 picks for the Knicks 1?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/18/2018 3:59 pm : link
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RE: Would Jerry West trade his 2 picks for the Knicks 1?  
giantsfan44ab : 5/18/2018 4:02 pm : link
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That would be a dumb move and Jerry West usually makes smart ones.
He might really like someone.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/18/2018 4:04 pm : link
Hey, dammit, why can't the Knicks get over on someone once every 30 years?
RE: RE: Would Jerry West trade his 2 picks for the Knicks 1?  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 4:16 pm : link
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That would be a dumb move and Jerry West usually makes smart ones.


Problem for clippers is they are hard capped, they might want to consolidate the 1striund picks
RE: He might really like someone.  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2018 4:17 pm : link
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Hey, dammit, why can't the Knicks get over on someone once every 30 years?


Because they're the Knicks and they have the reverse Midas touch.
This  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2018 5:01 pm : link
is funny
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If phoenix offered  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 5:31 pm : link
1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it?
RE: If phoenix offered  
giantsfan44ab : 5/18/2018 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13967867 nygiants16 said:
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1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it?


Do you think Ayton or Doncic can be a KP level talent? Or do you think KP will face injury issues? Personally I keep KP.

Do you offer that for Kawhi if your phoenix? Maybe Josh Jackson too.
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nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 5:40 pm : link
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1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it?



Do you think Ayton or Doncic can be a KP level talent? Or do you think KP will face injury issues? Personally I keep KP.

Do you offer that for Kawhi if your phoenix? Maybe Josh Jackson too.


Me personally before I give kp a max contract I try to see what at least is out there
I absolutely think ayrton can be a face of the franchise  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 5:41 pm : link
And yes I think kp will always be hurt...
RE: If phoenix offered  
Mike in NJ : 5/18/2018 7:19 pm : link
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1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it?


With KP coming off an injury and staring down a big contract, I might take just #1 for him....
I'd take a top 5 pick for Porzingis  
ghost718 : 5/18/2018 7:58 pm : link
Maybe less

But if you're the owner of a top 5 selection,you won't know that.
I'd do it. This injury just makes me less confident  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/19/2018 6:36 am : link
in the Knicks ability to keep KP long-term.

KP for basically Ayton, Lonnie Walker, and Jalen Brunson (my picks)? I'd have to pull the trigger.
RE: If phoenix offered  
TyreeHelmet : 5/19/2018 7:30 am : link
In comment 13967867 nygiants16 said:
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1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it?


No I donít. KP has shown ability to be 2 way superstar. Unique rare talent.
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