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NFT: Yankees vs. Nats thread (plus Clint Frazier news)

Beer Man : 5/15/2018 2:22 pm
1. Tanaka vs.Gonzalez.

2. Clint Frazier could be seeing his first action tonight as he has been called up to the Yanks. Yanks want an additional player for the Nats series given they are playing in a NL park with no DH. No word on who is being sent down/out.
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RE: Because wasting an out is almost always a stupid move  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13965060 Greg from LI said:
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If he was trying to bunt for a hit, that's one thing, but a sac bunt for anyone but pitchers or to get a guy to third with no out in a walk off situation is a waste


Greg, you use that term repeatedly...."wasting an out." Its kind of a canard. Hicks is not hitting the ball particularly well, he runs well and the coaches have detailed numbers on him and the pitcher. You. Have arguably the best batter on the team coming up after him. All that data could suggest that he'd likely ground into a DP or strike out and that it would be more productive to move the runner into scoring position with Judge coming up.

Using your logic, the pitchers should just swing away every time they came up. Theres more logic in setting the table for a better hitter to produce rather than play against the percentages.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bunting? Oh come the hell on, Boone  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 10:01 pm : link
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seriously. Boone hasn't done that too often so far, but that was dumb



Not sure why so upset. Tried to get a runner in scoring position with Judge coming up. I am okay with that.



Iím not really THAT upset - just donít like the move. But I think section may be right, Hicks may have done it on his own trying to get on ahead of Judge, to your point


Also, I was thunking this.
Sox down 3-0 early at home against Oakland  
mfsd : 5/15/2018 10:11 pm : link
Letís go Athletics
RE: That bunt  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13965085 BigBlueShock said:
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speaks volumes about where Hicksí head is right now. He was a middle of the order bat that is now resorting to sacrificing with one out already. Terrible decision on a team that can put runs up in bunches


Echoing mfsd, he may havebeen bunting for hit. But whats weird is he had a couple of hard hit balls back at the stadium. Obv the homer against Oak, but didnt he hit the ball well against Boston?
So happy Fraizer is up and we tied this one.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 10:26 pm : link
Let's get the win tomorrow!
Game suspended till tomorrow  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 10:34 pm : link
fyi
Sorry  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 10:35 pm : link
Here
Im guessing 1 pm? - ( New Window )
Nevermind,  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 10:36 pm : link
5:05.

Seems like an odd start date given that they still have 3 and a half innings to play and the score is tied.
re Drury courtesy of ESPN:  
Del Shofner : 5/15/2018 10:38 pm : link
Here's how Yankees GM Brian Cashman views 3B Brandon Drury (blurred vision): "He's a major leaguer currently on assignment at Triple-A." Cashman said the Yankees could right now play the infielder who continues to undergo treatments for his vision problems, but they decided to option him Monday as "an acknowledgement of how we played as a team, and Miguel Andķjar's contribution during that timeframe. Just like Brandon beat out Miguel Andķjar in spring training, Miguel took an opportunity here in the short term, and took advantage of that."
RE: re Drury courtesy of ESPN:  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13965150 Del Shofner said:
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Here's how Yankees GM Brian Cashman views 3B Brandon Drury (blurred vision): "He's a major leaguer currently on assignment at Triple-A." Cashman said the Yankees could right now play the infielder who continues to undergo treatments for his vision problems, but they decided to option him Monday as "an acknowledgement of how we played as a team, and Miguel Andķjar's contribution during that timeframe. Just like Brandon beat out Miguel Andķjar in spring training, Miguel took an opportunity here in the short term, and took advantage of that."


Thanks for posting that.

I think that was the right tact to take by Cashman and the right decision, as well. Glad he made it.
The Drury trade is still puzzling to me.  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 11:22 pm : link
If you believe Andujar still needs time in the minors, you bring in a stopgap (think Neil Walker) for this year, not a 25-year-old under team control for multiple seasons. We talk a lot about Drury as a utility guy, but he's yet to play anywhere but 3B and Cashman keeps reiterating that he's working exclusively at that spot. So who's the long-term third baseman? Seems to me they don't think as highly of Andujar as we've been led to believe.
A's beat the Sawx again at Fenway.  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 12:09 am : link
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RE: The Drury trade is still puzzling to me.  
section125 : 5/16/2018 12:59 am : link
In comment 13965169 bceagle05 said:
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If you believe Andujar still needs time in the minors, you bring in a stopgap (think Neil Walker) for this year, not a 25-year-old under team control for multiple seasons. We talk a lot about Drury as a utility guy, but he's yet to play anywhere but 3B and Cashman keeps reiterating that he's working exclusively at that spot. So who's the long-term third baseman? Seems to me they don't think as highly of Andujar as we've been led to believe.


Andujar is on an audition. Drury has migraines he admits to having for years. Cashman is hedging his bet. Machado is not out of the picture. I don't think Cashman or anyone else thought Andujar would be this could this soon.

If Drury cannot reliably get himself on the field he isn't any good to the Yankees. Hence Andujar is playing for a job. They are only two years apart in age. Could be one stays with the Yankees and the other is a trade chip pending Machado's trade and/or free agency. Machado could be part of a three way deal involving Drury and Andujar. No way Angelos trades Machado to the Yanks straight up. Some other team will be involved.

Lots of angles here.
Truly interesting stuff section.  
chopperhatch : 5/16/2018 2:21 am : link
We are fortunate to have options like we do. Not to mention Andujar being more than competent as a 3B unlike what many have speculated. Could you imagine if HE was our 9 hitter?!

Who resumes tge game tomorrow? Gotta be Holder or Cole right?
RE: A's beat the Sawx again at Fenway.  
mfsd : 5/16/2018 5:26 am : link
In comment 13965188 bceagle05 said:
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Since their 17-2 start against mostly cupcakes, Sox are 11-12
RE: Hicks gonna be riding that pine pretty soon hopefully  
13ODB : 5/16/2018 7:04 am : link
In comment 13964882 Dave in Hoboken said:
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I canít stand hicks. Itís head scratching what they see in him. He has been here 3 years and maybe had one good week offensively heís a 4th outfielder not a every day player he should be batting under .200 by the weekend . I pray friazer takes his job
RE: Hicks swinging thru  
13ODB : 5/16/2018 7:06 am : link
In comment 13964954 section125 said:
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meatballs. I love Hicks, but geez Louise you have to crush an 82 mph middle middle spinner...



You love him?? Why? whatís to love about this guy?
RE: RE: Hicks swinging thru  
mfsd : 5/16/2018 7:10 am : link
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meatballs. I love Hicks, but geez Louise you have to crush an 82 mph middle middle spinner...




You love him?? Why? whatís to love about this guy?


Dude, what is your problem with that? Weird post

Operating under the assumption weíre all Yankee fans who want to see the team win, while we all have our own opinions and players we like, some of you guys really seem to get off on trashing our guys and seem to root for them to fail so you can say I told you so
Game resumes at 5:05  
section125 : 5/16/2018 7:39 am : link
according to Yankees website..
Andujar is not a competent 3B  
arniefez : 5/16/2018 9:58 am : link
not yet anyway. I take defensive metrics with some skepticism. But this isn't fun to read.

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The infield, meanwhile, is a little different. Specifically, the left side, where the Yankees have been amongst the worst defenders in the game. Miguel Andujar has been arguably the worst defensive third baseman in baseball, worth -8 DSR and -27.5 UZR/150 (!!!!). Much has been written about Brandon Druryís early struggles, before his extended DL trip. Most surprising of all, is that Didi Gregorius has been a net loss defensively this year as well. Coming into the season as the infieldís most dependable defender, he currently sits along names like Tzu-Wei Lin and Pete Kozma defensively. Fine players, I guess, but not what the Yankees need out of their shortstop.

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RE: RE: Hicks gonna be riding that pine pretty soon hopefully  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13965233 13ODB said:
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I pray friazer takes his job


I swear it's like Groundhog Day in these threads. CLINT FRAZIER IS NOT A MAJOR LEAGUE CENTERFIELDER. He's not going to take Hicks' job for that reason.
RE: The Drury trade is still puzzling to me.  
UConn4523 : 5/16/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 13965169 bceagle05 said:
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If you believe Andujar still needs time in the minors, you bring in a stopgap (think Neil Walker) for this year, not a 25-year-old under team control for multiple seasons. We talk a lot about Drury as a utility guy, but he's yet to play anywhere but 3B and Cashman keeps reiterating that he's working exclusively at that spot. So who's the long-term third baseman? Seems to me they don't think as highly of Andujar as we've been led to believe.


Why? Seems to me Cashman wanted insurance at 3B and to increase the odds of having a guy he wonít have to worry about for the next 5-10 years. We all hope itís Andujar but thereís no telling how his whole season will go. If either works out than Machado is off the table, IMO, as he should be. We donít need him now and we certainly wouldnít need him if Andujar is ready for the full time role.

This is a great problem to have.
RE: RE: Hicks swinging thru  
UConn4523 : 5/16/2018 10:08 am : link
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meatballs. I love Hicks, but geez Louise you have to crush an 82 mph middle middle spinner...




You love him?? Why? whatís to love about this guy?


His defense and base running. Not everyone is going to be a good hitter. You sound like someone who grew up during the big 4 and forgot that pretty much every lineup in baseball features atleast 1 crappy hitter.
Some of Hicks' problems are simply bad luck  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 10:21 am : link
.233 BABIP despite reducing his soft contact % from last year to this year. Some of it is a notable increase in the contact with the lowest probability of success, the infield fly ball (from 9.5% last season to 13.8% this season).
RE: RE: RE: Hicks gonna be riding that pine pretty soon hopefully  
13ODB : 5/16/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13965413 Greg from LI said:
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I pray friazer takes his job



I swear it's like Groundhog Day in these threads. CLINT FRAZIER IS NOT A MAJOR LEAGUE CENTERFIELDER. He's not going to take Hicks' job for that reason.



I understand that so Gardner can play CF and days they rest him then Hicks can play. That should be hickís role on this team and not play every day.
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section125 : 5/16/2018 11:53 am : link
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I pray friazer takes his job



I swear it's like Groundhog Day in these threads. CLINT FRAZIER IS NOT A MAJOR LEAGUE CENTERFIELDER. He's not going to take Hicks' job for that reason.




I understand that so Gardner can play CF and days they rest him then Hicks can play. That should be hickís role on this team and not play every day.


Sometimes the runs saved by defense outweigh the hitting aspect of the game. Players go through dry spells, ask Didi.
As far as Frazier, he's a little dicey in the OF the little I've seen him play. He doesn't seem to take good angles or something along that line. Now he may have improved since last year, IDK. But looking forward to seeing him play at some point.
Gardner is almost 35  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 12:05 pm : link
He cannot be your everyday starter in CF.
A lot of hand wringing over Drury here  
Stu11 : 5/16/2018 12:25 pm : link
listen its a good problem to have. Once he gets right we'll figure it out. He can play multiple positions and that means a lot, as well as being a competent hitter.While I agree Hicks needs to pick it up at the plate, I agree with Greg he's not going anywhere soon. Gardy isn't playing CF every day nor is anyone else on the team right now or in the high minors so he'll get a chance to figure it out. If he's still hitting well under .200 vs lefties in a month or 2 then maybe Cash will address it.
Greg from LI...  
BC Eagles94 : 5/16/2018 12:31 pm : link
Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.
RE: Greg from LI...  
DennyInDenville : 5/16/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13965629 BC Eagles94 said:
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Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.

Yankees spot started Judge a game in CF. Frazier has played many games in Cf for SWB

Imo, Frazier is gunning for Hicks and Gardys ABs.

Cashman is willing to trot Frazier out in CF 4 games a week I believe. If his bat is hitting and Hicks stays in the low .200s with low average power
Just FYI  
rich in DC : 5/16/2018 1:23 pm : link
After the big T-storms and heavy rain last night, it has been raining on and off all morning here in D.C.

The forecast is calling for more rain- and the possibility of more storms tonight.
Let's steal a win in the suspended game  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 1:26 pm : link
and get the Scherzer game postponed.
First of all, let's not pretend that Frazier is a sure thing as a  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 1:30 pm : link
hitter - .231/.268/.448 last season in 134 ABs. So, given that and his defensive deficiencies, I feel completely confident in saying that there's no way in hell they make him their starting centerfielder.

Maybe, just maybe, they might consider it IF Frazier hit like an animal AND they had outstanding OFs around him in left and right, but the first is unknown and the second isn't true with Stanton in left, who is merely average.
RE: First of all, let's not pretend that Frazier is a sure thing as a  
DennyInDenville : 5/16/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13965717 Greg from LI said:
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hitter - .231/.268/.448 last season in 134 ABs. So, given that and his defensive deficiencies, I feel completely confident in saying that there's no way in hell they make him their starting centerfielder.

Maybe, just maybe, they might consider it IF Frazier hit like an animal AND they had outstanding OFs around him in left and right, but the first is unknown and the second isn't true with Stanton in left, who is merely average.

Definitely valid points and thoughts , I just know if Hicks doesn't start hitting and Frazier looks good they might give Frazier the bulk of ABs and maybe split the ABs in CF between Hicks / Gardner rotating staying fresh
RE: First of all, let's not pretend that Frazier is a sure thing as a  
rich in DC : 5/16/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13965717 Greg from LI said:
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hitter - .231/.268/.448 last season in 134 ABs. So, given that and his defensive deficiencies, I feel completely confident in saying that there's no way in hell they make him their starting centerfielder.

Maybe, just maybe, they might consider it IF Frazier hit like an animal AND they had outstanding OFs around him in left and right, but the first is unknown and the second isn't true with Stanton in left, who is merely average.


Meaningless numbers in an abbreviated rookie season.

Aaron Judge hit .179/.263/.345 in 95 ABs in 2016. What did that means in regards to the rest of his career? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
RE: Greg from LI...  
section125 : 5/16/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13965629 BC Eagles94 said:
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Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.


Yeah, I agree with you..There is enough offense on this team to cover for Hicks at the plate, if necessary. He's good in the field and he does have almost Gardy good plate discipline. Great on base, too.
RE: RE: Greg from LI...  
BC Eagles94 : 5/16/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13965647 DennyInDenville said:
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Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.


Yankees spot started Judge a game in CF. Frazier has played many games in Cf for SWB

Imo, Frazier is gunning for Hicks and Gardys ABs.

Cashman is willing to trot Frazier out in CF 4 games a week I believe. If his bat is hitting and Hicks stays in the low .200s with low average power


Wrong. In AAA, Frazier has played 91 games in the corners and 3 in CF.
Rich, do you think Judge's development curve is realistic  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:34 pm : link
for most players? Frazier also doesn't have anywhere near the power potential Judge always had.

He'll likely be a good player, and I like him, but I don't want him as the starting CF for the reasons I've already laid out.
the last year Frazier played the majority of his games in CF  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:38 pm : link
was 2015. Even before the Indians traded him, he was shifted to the corners. Since joining the Yankees, he played 3 games in CF in 2016, none in 2017, and 4 this year.
Both games for today have been postponed.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/16/2018 3:58 pm : link
Both will be made up June 18th.
RE: Rich, do you think Judge's development curve is realistic  
rich in DC : 5/16/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13965884 Greg from LI said:
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for most players? Frazier also doesn't have anywhere near the power potential Judge always had.

He'll likely be a good player, and I like him, but I don't want him as the starting CF for the reasons I've already laid out.


Doesn't have to be. Also not relevant.

However, your argument that Frazier isn't going to hit because he didn't hit in 125 ABs was patently ridiculous. Absolutism does not work in sports.

Frazier has skills that usually translate into power hitting corner OF in the majors. He wasn't ready last year- and it showed. Not the first or the last player who will do that.
I never said he won't hit  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 4:40 pm : link
I said he's not some kind of sure-thing to step right in and mash. There's a difference.
Forget the bat speed for a moment  
Bill2 : 5/16/2018 4:46 pm : link
Im having a tough time remembering anyone with that leg and hip imbalance having a long snd productive career against mlb pitching. Granted there are memorable unorthodox swings in mlb history ( Vlad, Yogi). I just think inside stuff is going to eat him up...bat speed notwithstanding
RE: Forget the bat speed for a moment  
section125 : 5/16/2018 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13966009 Bill2 said:
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Im having a tough time remembering anyone with that leg and hip imbalance having a long snd productive career against mlb pitching. Granted there are memorable unorthodox swings in mlb history ( Vlad, Yogi). I just think inside stuff is going to eat him up...bat speed notwithstanding



.....but, but it is legendary.
Chance Adams struck out 10 tonight in Scranton's win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/16/2018 9:54 pm : link
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I wonder if Adams could be a bullpen addition down the stretch  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 9:56 pm : link
It's what he did in college, after all. Could be a real boost, and quite honestly they don't seem to regard him as a frontline pitching prospect.
RE: Chance Adams struck out 10 tonight in Scranton's win.  
Beer Man : 5/17/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 13966176 Dave in Hoboken said:
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This is his first really good game pitched this year. I want to see him pitch a few more before bringing him up. For some reason his velocity has been down, hopefully that has been corrected.
RE: RE: Chance Adams struck out 10 tonight in Scranton's win.  
rich in DC : 5/17/2018 9:51 am : link
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This is his first really good game pitched this year. I want to see him pitch a few more before bringing him up. For some reason his velocity has been down, hopefully that has been corrected.


He had surgery to remove bone chips from his pitching elbow. I suspect that he has been a little behind to start the season because he probably could not do a full off-season throwing program.

Whether there is more to it, I don't know.
RE: I wonder if Adams could be a bullpen addition down the stretch  
rich in DC : 5/17/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 13966179 Greg from LI said:
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It's what he did in college, after all. Could be a real boost, and quite honestly they don't seem to regard him as a frontline pitching prospect.


From what I have read, he might be that rare guy who is more effective as a SP than as a reliever. He does throw in the mid-90s, but it is kinda straight- a lot like Tanaka's FB. However, Adams is a real 4 pitch guy- and those other pitches allow him to keep hitters off the FB- again, like Tanaka.

In the bullpen, he probably has to get down to 2, maybe 3 pitches- and it might be harder to keep hitters off the FB.
I think Gardner should platoon with Hicks in CF, and let Frazier get  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/17/2018 8:40 pm : link
some AB's in LF. Having him mash in AAA means nothing, let's see what we have in him up here. Let's face it, Gardner is a goner after this year, and Hicks has had exactly half a year of above average production, Fraizer may not be the answer at CF, but seeing him up here for half a year will certainly help to plan for the OF in the future.

Florial is off to an underwhelming start. And there is literally no other OF prospects worth mentioning at the moment.
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