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NFT: New York Mets vs. Toronto Blue Jays - Afternoon Delight

arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 1:15 pm
Just started up - Wheeler has of course failed to get out of the first inning without allowing a run... again.

1. Juan Lagares (R) CF
2. Asdrubal Cabrera (S) 2B
3. Wilmer Flores (R) 1B
4. Michael Conforto (L) RF
5. Phillip Evans (R) LF
6. Luis Guillorme (L) 3B
7. Jose Lobaton (S) C
8. Zack Wheeler (L) P
9. Amed Rosario (R) SS

Nice to see the bats wake up last night - but it'll be a challenge to keep that going with Cespedes and Frazier on the DL.
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 1:19 pm : link
The Mets are trotting one ugly lineup out there, by the way..

Seems like this winds up being the case every year when Cespedes takes one of his 5 DL stints.
Phil evans batting fifth?  
spike : 5/16/2018 1:20 pm : link
Is this the worst lineup in baseball?

We wont score today
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 1:21 pm : link
Evans
Guillorme
Evans
Lobaton

That's some murderers row shit!

Reminiscent of those Jay's teams with Molitor, Carter, Olerud, etc.
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 1:22 pm : link
Oh god, I botched that...

Evans
Guillorme
Lobaton
Wheeler
Terrible Lineup  
PatchoguePete : 5/16/2018 1:22 pm : link
Terrible pitcher for the Mets on the mound. The Mets will lose..book it.
Where  
spike : 5/16/2018 1:24 pm : link
Is jay bruce
Probably Having  
PatchoguePete : 5/16/2018 1:25 pm : link
Another Baby
RE: Where  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13965708 spike said:
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Is jay bruce


Awful against LHP.
Its time for Wilmer to get it going  
debo_GIANTS : 5/16/2018 1:28 pm : link
He has struggled vs lefties so far this year.
that lineup is yikes  
Eric on Li : 5/16/2018 1:31 pm : link
it really seemed like there was a lot more depth than that heading into the season.

Amazing catch right there by Pillar.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 1:31 pm : link
Ah, there's the spectacular catch to take extra bases away - been a bit since that staple has appeared as it usually does.
In March we had split squads  
Shecky : 5/16/2018 1:34 pm : link
Today we have a shit squad
Theres going to be  
spike : 5/16/2018 1:38 pm : link
A no hitter for Toronto
Jose Lobaton  
PatchoguePete : 5/16/2018 1:38 pm : link
Lobatoning it up by striking out with meatballs being thrown right down the middle. Garbage
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 1:39 pm : link
I can't believe we're already trotting a lineup this poor out there on May 16th.

This type of shit lineup is usually what we get by July or so. Got blessed with this special type of garbage early this year!
Lobaton needs to be DFAed  
spike : 5/16/2018 1:40 pm : link
Let Nido struggle up here
All the hype  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 1:44 pm : link
we heard about Nimmo all spring and he can't even get into the shit lineup that we have today. Seems like the Mets are intent on pulling a Flores with his career.
Zack  
PatchoguePete : 5/16/2018 1:47 pm : link
Wheeler looks like the best pitcher in baseball right now. This may be the start of a brilliant career.
RE: Zack  
Jay on the Island : 5/16/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13965739 PatchoguePete said:
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Wheeler looks like the best pitcher in baseball right now. This may be the start of a brilliant career.

Yeah, Wheeler and the Knicks top 3 pick will rule NY!
I mean  
gmen9892 : 5/16/2018 1:53 pm : link
I am not sure what everyone expected with the LF, 3rd baseman and 2 righty hitting Catchers on the DL. Again, all righty bats going against a lefty today, day game after a night game.
RE: I mean  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13965748 gmen9892 said:
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I am not sure what everyone expected with the LF, 3rd baseman and 2 righty hitting Catchers on the DL. Again, all righty bats going against a lefty today, day game after a night game.


I mean, I'd like to do better than 4 automatic outs in a 9 player lineup - but maybe that's just way out there and crazy of me to expect.
Wheeler has looked great in back to back  
ZGiants98 : 5/16/2018 2:09 pm : link
Starts (and no he hasnít been facing the Marlins). It would be just his luck to have this start cut short or erased.
Mesaraco  
spike : 5/16/2018 2:11 pm : link
Has been good for Wheelz
RE: Mesaraco  
ZGiants98 : 5/16/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13965769 spike said:
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Has been good for Wheelz

Lobasuck today but agreed.
This lineup truly does suck  
ZGiants98 : 5/16/2018 2:14 pm : link
But itís also without Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Mesoraco, and Nimmo today due to either injuries, the lefty starter, or day after a night game.
RE: RE: I mean  
gmen9892 : 5/16/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13965760 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13965748 gmen9892 said:


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I am not sure what everyone expected with the LF, 3rd baseman and 2 righty hitting Catchers on the DL. Again, all righty bats going against a lefty today, day game after a night game.



I mean, I'd like to do better than 4 automatic outs in a 9 player lineup - but maybe that's just way out there and crazy of me to expect.


I dont disagree, but like I said, we are down 3 righty bats due to injury. Not sure how many teams carry 4 good catchers, and it sucks being so lefty-heavy in the OF.
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 2:18 pm : link
Another 2 run HR given up by the great Zack Wheeler!

Wooooo
Zack Wheeler  
PatchoguePete : 5/16/2018 2:19 pm : link
is hot garbage
Flores crushed that ball  
DennyInDenville : 5/16/2018 2:29 pm : link
Happ is very hittable, Mets might get a few this inning
RE: Zack Wheeler  
Jay on the Island : 5/16/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13965780 PatchoguePete said:
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is hot garbage

Weird I thought this was the beginning of a brilliant career?
FYI  
Danny Kanell : 5/16/2018 2:34 pm : link
Pete is Denny. Denny is Pete.

RE: FYI  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13965797 Danny Kanell said:
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Pete is Denny. Denny is Pete.



LOL, really? He made a fake Mets fan handle?

Weird.. and sad.

Was wondering who that was.
Nick Pivetta  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 2:37 pm : link
looked great for Philly today. That coaching staff has really done a nice job there so far. Philly will be adding $60-$80M onto the payroll coming up, and Atlanta will be increasingly payroll too.

I'm not sure what the Mets plan is to compete with these teams going forward. Just keep blaming injuries? DeGrom and Thor are just going to get more expensive and more than offset the Wright money coming off of the books.
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 5/16/2018 2:39 pm : link
that is very pathetic.
RE: FYI  
chopperhatch : 5/16/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13965797 Danny Kanell said:
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Pete is Denny. Denny is Pete.



Out of curiosity, how do you know this?
RE: RE: FYI  
Danny Kanell : 5/16/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13965802 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13965797 Danny Kanell said:


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Pete is Denny. Denny is Pete.





LOL, really? He made a fake Mets fan handle?

Weird.. and sad.

Was wondering who that was.


I'm 99.9% sure it's NYK.

And FrankieinFlushing lol
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 2:43 pm : link
Another garbage outing for Wheeler.

Dude isn't good. Sorry.
I missed the start  
steve in ky : 5/16/2018 2:45 pm : link
Did the Mets doing any type of tribute for Granderson?
RE: Nick Pivetta  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13965804 Metnut said:
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looked great for Philly today. That coaching staff has really done a nice job there so far. Philly will be adding $60-$80M onto the payroll coming up, and Atlanta will be increasingly payroll too.

I'm not sure what the Mets plan is to compete with these teams going forward. Just keep blaming injuries? DeGrom and Thor are just going to get more expensive and more than offset the Wright money coming off of the books.


It's a good question. I think the Mets are now firmly behind WSH/ATL/PHI in terms of team building. While the Braves and Phillies re-tooled and rebuilt, we spent 3 consecutive offseasons trying to replicate the flukey 2015 team and it's not getting us anywhere.

Miami is awful but I think I'd rather build from the ground up than keep watching this trash.
Send Wheeler  
PatchoguePete : 5/16/2018 2:47 pm : link
down the minors. He's a non-competitive pitcher at this point.
RE: .  
Stufftherun : 5/16/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13965817 arcarsenal said:
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Another garbage outing for Wheeler.

Dude isn't good. Sorry.


No need to apologize, at least to most of us here. There is however one person that might take umbrage to the "garbage" comment. LOL!
Callaway hitting his groove as manager  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 2:55 pm : link
really settling in as similar to his predecessors in really having a goal to ruin the teams most effective relievers.

Why Gsellman? Stretching him out for the rotation? Is this how you do that?

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Anthony DiComo
‏Verified account @AnthonyDiComo
50s50 seconds ago

Meanwhile, Robert Gsellman is pitching for the 19th time in 39 games, three days after throwing three innings against the Phillies. The Mets trail by six. No one in baseball has thrown more relief innings than Gsellman this season.
This  
DanMetroMan : 5/16/2018 2:55 pm : link
is the product they put out there, crappy farm system and yet Sandy got an extension. That's how much the Wilpons value winning.
RE: Callaway hitting his groove as manager  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13965836 pjcas18 said:
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really settling in as similar to his predecessors in really having a goal to ruin the teams most effective relievers.

Why Gsellman? Stretching him out for the rotation? Is this how you do that?



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Anthony DiComo
‏Verified account @AnthonyDiComo
50s50 seconds ago

Meanwhile, Robert Gsellman is pitching for the 19th time in 39 games, three days after throwing three innings against the Phillies. The Mets trail by six. No one in baseball has thrown more relief innings than Gsellman this season.




If it was Collins, this entire thread would be killing him.

The managers aren't the problem with this team. It's Sandy Alderson.

He has to go.
Oh, yeah, I'm not blaming Callaway for the Mets record  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 2:58 pm : link
mainly just for seemingly hating Gsellman so much he's trying to sabotage the guy.
Zach Wheeler  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 2:58 pm : link
gets rocked again. What a shock. ERA up to close to 6 on the year. Don't worry though, Gsellmen and Lugo are ready to come down 6-0 because we need him for the pen.

Remember, accountability and performance apparently don't matter for this Mets team. Vargas and Wheeler can just get rocked all the time and are still apparently safe in the rotation. Jay Bruce under 100 wRC and on track for his 4th season of 1 WAR or less in 5 years yet somehow he plays every day and gets a fat contract while Nimmo rides the pine.
RE: Callaway hitting his groove as manager  
Stufftherun : 5/16/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13965836 pjcas18 said:
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really settling in as similar to his predecessors in really having a goal to ruin the teams most effective relievers.

Why Gsellman? Stretching him out for the rotation? Is this how you do that?



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Anthony DiComo
ĢVerified account @AnthonyDiComo
50s50 seconds ago

Meanwhile, Robert Gsellman is pitching for the 19th time in 39 games, three days after throwing three innings against the Phillies. The Mets trail by six. No one in baseball has thrown more relief innings than Gsellman this season.




When you consider the usage of Gsellman in a silo, it tells you quite a bit about the starting pitching.
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 2:59 pm : link
I agree, though - I have no idea why Gsellman is out there right now. Baffling.
Lineup  
TyreeHelmet : 5/16/2018 3:07 pm : link
That's a minor league lineup. I still can't believe Sandy got an extension.

Can Dolan buy the Mets? He at least will spend money. I am so sick of the Wilponzis.
This is not Mickeys fault  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2018 3:08 pm : link
He has made some questionable moves but the real problem is lack of talent

Itís a AAA lineup out there except for Cabrera.
Harvey takes the mound in about 25 minutes  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2018 3:12 pm : link
With Wheeler and Vargas totally imploding; it will be interesting to see what Matt does
Yikes. So much for Wheelers nice start.  
ZGiants98 : 5/16/2018 3:14 pm : link
Oh well. Another split.
Zach Wheeler last 3 starts  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 3:17 pm : link
16 IP, 21H, 9BB, 15 ER.

Awful!
Wheeler is a lost cause  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2018 3:21 pm : link
Move him to the pen and see if he can do better there

However, he should be done as a starter
Another Sandy special  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 3:22 pm : link
AJ Ramos in the game and getting shelled. Guy is only pitchable in blowouts. I don't understand what the point of that trade was.

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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 3:36 pm : link
Ramos is garbage. He has to fool hitters with 5 different pitches because most of them are trash.
This era of starting pitching  
Chris684 : 5/16/2018 3:37 pm : link
is over for the Mets before it ever got started.
RE: Another Sandy special  
TyreeHelmet : 5/16/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13965874 Metnut said:
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AJ Ramos in the game and getting shelled. Guy is only pitchable in blowouts. I don't understand what the point of that trade was.


I'd love to know the rational in giving Sandy an extension...
RE: RE: Another Sandy special  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13965897 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13965874 Metnut said:


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AJ Ramos in the game and getting shelled. Guy is only pitchable in blowouts. I don't understand what the point of that trade was.




I'd love to know the rational in giving Sandy an extension...


There is no rationale or logic when it comes to the Mets.

The owners obviously don't prioritize winning much. Otherwise we wouldn't be closing in on another decade of futility.

I don't see this thing turning around any time soon, either. Where is the help coming from?

I remember being excited down the stretch of the 2014 season because all of the pitchers were starting to get up here, Conforto was on the way, the MLB team looked like it was finally headed in the right direction... not even 4 years later, and we have barely anything to show for it.
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DanMetroMan : 5/16/2018 3:59 pm : link
Tendered:
Matt Harvey $5.6M
AJ Ramos $9.25M

Signed:
Jason Vargas 2/$16M
A Swarzak 2/$14M
Jay Bruce 3/$39M
Todd Frazier 2/$17M
Jose Reyes 1/$2M

0.0 fWAR TOTAL
RE: RE: RE: Another Sandy special  
TyreeHelmet : 5/16/2018 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13965910 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13965897 TyreeHelmet said:


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In comment 13965874 Metnut said:


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AJ Ramos in the game and getting shelled. Guy is only pitchable in blowouts. I don't understand what the point of that trade was.




I'd love to know the rational in giving Sandy an extension...



There is no rationale or logic when it comes to the Mets.

The owners obviously don't prioritize winning much. Otherwise we wouldn't be closing in on another decade of futility.

I don't see this thing turning around any time soon, either. Where is the help coming from?

I remember being excited down the stretch of the 2014 season because all of the pitchers were starting to get up here, Conforto was on the way, the MLB team looked like it was finally headed in the right direction... not even 4 years later, and we have barely anything to show for it.


Its really depressing. They also don't have any exciting young athletic position players currently. Cespedes is but he's always hurt. Conforto hopefully recovers but who knows. Rosario is a big unknown. Simply put they aren't entertaining right now and hard to watch.

Degrom and Noah are fun to watch but the rest of the rotation is complete dogshit.

If you take away Wright's salary which insurance is covering, their payroll is about 16th in the league. Its pathetic.
RE: .  
TyreeHelmet : 5/16/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13965925 DanMetroMan said:
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Tendered:
Matt Harvey $5.6M
AJ Ramos $9.25M

Signed:
Jason Vargas 2/$16M
A Swarzak 2/$14M
Jay Bruce 3/$39M
Todd Frazier 2/$17M
Jose Reyes 1/$2M

0.0 fWAR TOTAL


Man thats ugly. Outside of resigning Cespedes which he was all but forced to do, has Sandy had 1 good FA signing? I guess Grandy and Colon if you can consider those good signings but thats about it.
I find myself facing the fact that the Mets aren't a good team  
Ira : 5/16/2018 4:05 pm : link
and that the pitching staff we had high hopes for is totally lacking in depth. There are some good ones to build around, but bandaids won't fix it. I think we need to rebuild around the more talented young players.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 5/16/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13965925 DanMetroMan said:
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Tendered:
Matt Harvey $5.6M
AJ Ramos $9.25M

Signed:
Jason Vargas 2/$16M
A Swarzak 2/$14M
Jay Bruce 3/$39M
Todd Frazier 2/$17M
Jose Reyes 1/$2M

0.0 fWAR TOTAL


It really seems like having an offseason this bad would be difficult to accomplish if one was trying to fail.
two hits?  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 4:12 pm : link
that's all we got, two god damned hits?

at least it's not over yet.
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 4:14 pm : link
The bats just have to heat up. What are you guys expecting.. runs? Hits? It's May 16th!
Harvey getting  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 4:26 pm : link
lit up in SF early on.
At least the Mets  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 4:31 pm : link
relief pitchers are doing their best to make Wheeler not feel bad. Misery loves company.
Nice HR by Nimmo  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 4:44 pm : link
Back to the bench for him soon because Bruce needs to get every day ABs.
RE: .  
Shecky : 5/16/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13965925 DanMetroMan said:
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Tendered:
Matt Harvey $5.6M
AJ Ramos $9.25M

Signed:
Jason Vargas 2/$16M
A Swarzak 2/$14M
Jay Bruce 3/$39M
Todd Frazier 2/$17M
Jose Reyes 1/$2M

0.0 fWAR TOTAL


That
Is really eye opening
Wow
Has it really  
Metnut : 5/16/2018 5:25 pm : link
been 5 weeks since the Mets last won consecutive games?
RE: Has it really  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13966044 Metnut said:
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been 5 weeks since the Mets last won consecutive games?


Yup.

April 10th and 11th.

It's May 16th.
RE: Nice HR by Nimmo  
spike : 5/16/2018 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13966007 Metnut said:
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Back to the bench for him soon because Bruce needs to get every day ABs.


Nimmo should get more ab with Cespedes on DL
RE: .  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2018 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13965925 DanMetroMan said:
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Tendered:
Matt Harvey $5.6M
AJ Ramos $9.25M

Signed:
Jason Vargas 2/$16M
A Swarzak 2/$14M
Jay Bruce 3/$39M
Todd Frazier 2/$17M
Jose Reyes 1/$2M

0.0 fWAR TOTAL


Thatís incredible. Mets spent 54 million for 0 WAR through the first 40 games
What is the job  
XBRONX : 5/16/2018 6:34 pm : link
of a baseball pitching and hitting coaches?
RE: What is the job  
arcarsenal : 5/16/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13966078 XBRONX said:
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of a baseball pitching and hitting coaches?


I've been a Mets fan for most of my life - I wouldn't be able to tell you based on anything I've seen here lately.
RE: RE: .  
spike : 5/16/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13966071 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13965925 DanMetroMan said:


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Tendered:
Matt Harvey $5.6M
AJ Ramos $9.25M

Signed:
Jason Vargas 2/$16M
A Swarzak 2/$14M
Jay Bruce 3/$39M
Todd Frazier 2/$17M
Jose Reyes 1/$2M

0.0 fWAR TOTAL



Thatís incredible. Mets spent 54 million for 0 WAR through the first 40 games

Vargas signing was grand larceny. Fireable offense imo
McNeil  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 8:40 pm : link
stays hot, another HR today so far.
RE: McNeil  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13966138 pjcas18 said:
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stays hot, another HR today so far.


Letís hope Alonso and McNeil are the real deal. The minors look empty otherwise. Maybe Peterson but he is only in low A.
RE: RE: McNeil  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13966140 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13966138 pjcas18 said:


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stays hot, another HR today so far.



Letís hope Alonso and McNeil are the real deal. The minors look empty otherwise. Maybe Peterson but he is only in low A.


DMM, Shecky, Mike, ZG all those guys all know more than me, but McNeil is 26 already. Maybe a late bloomer. Seems like he's hit consistently throughout his career for average, never had much power until this recent surge from what I can tell.

Does it really matter anyway.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/16/2018 9:14 pm : link
They can all tear up the minors...theyíll just come up and shit the bed in the pros anyway as long as they put on a Met uniform.
RE: Does it really matter anyway.  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13966158 PhiPsi125 said:
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They can all tear up the minors...theyíll just come up and shit the bed in the pros anyway as long as they put on a Met uniform.


Not if they get the right launch angle
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