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NFT: The Americans, three episodes left

AnnapolisMike : 5/16/2018 3:03 pm
Been a good season so far. Really have no clue how they are going to end it, but I doubt anyone is riding off into the sunset. There are plenty of plot holes and inconsistencies...especially involving Stan who appears to be just now figuring it all out. But I just ignore them and enjoy it.

I do think Renee (Stan's girlfriend) is a spy and ends up killing him.
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I think Phillip saves  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 3:04 pm : link
Stan.
RE: I think Phillip saves  
jcn56 : 5/16/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13965850 pjcas18 said:
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Stan.


..and vice versa. I think Philip wants out, and sees Stan as an exit strategy.
Love this show  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/16/2018 3:14 pm : link
I feel like something terrible is going to happen to Paige. She's so naive about what her parents are really about, she has no clue what she's involved in
Agree about Phillip and Stan  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/16/2018 3:16 pm : link
I could see Phillip defecting. He's been on that ledge a long time
Phillip has been involved so many horrible things  
AnnapolisMike : 5/16/2018 3:29 pm : link
Including the deaths of FBI agents. Stan letting him walk just does not seem like a realistic scenario IMO. More likely in my mind is one of Phillip or Elizabeth getting killed and the other escaping back to Russia. Maybe there will be a flash forward to Phillip bumping into Martha at a grocery in Russia and being reunited with his son to wrap up that plot point.

Oleg has a part to play here as well.
RE: Phillip has been involved so many horrible things  
jcn56 : 5/16/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13965880 AnnapolisMike said:
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Including the deaths of FBI agents. Stan letting him walk just does not seem like a realistic scenario IMO. More likely in my mind is one of Phillip or Elizabeth getting killed and the other escaping back to Russia. Maybe there will be a flash forward to Phillip bumping into Martha at a grocery in Russia and being reunited with his son to wrap up that plot point.

Oleg has a part to play here as well.


Look at the resources they're committing to catching those residents. I don't doubt for a second they'd let one skate to put the screws to large parts of the operation.
I just know one thing  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:32 pm : link
I want Paige to go down. Traitor bitch.
I'm not sure  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 3:37 pm : link
if Paige gets killed or caught.

I think if she gets caught she'll flip pretty easily.

I think the show ends with Elizabeth eating the cyanide pill.
Didn't Phillip throw the pill away?  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:39 pm : link
I don't think Paige has it in her to sacrifice her life for the Soviet Union, despite her bravado. I think she folds like a cheap tent.

And I think Henry turns on them all and asks Stan to be hus guardian.
really strange show  
RasputinPrime : 5/16/2018 3:39 pm : link
because as much as I love it, i'm not crazy about how they balance screen-time in the telling of the story. Just odd.
Not sure where they are going with the money issue  
Eli Wilson : 5/16/2018 3:41 pm : link
Seems like they have really been hammering that, although I can't see how it's relevant.
It just adds to the pressure on Phillip  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:43 pm : link
Since begging out of the mission, he's turned all his energy towards the business and he's failing. Plus, it means he's failing Henry.
Greg  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/16/2018 3:45 pm : link
Not sure. He wanted to throw it out, but I don't think she gave it to him. But im not sure if I'm remembering that right
Henry is a wildcard  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/16/2018 3:46 pm : link
In all of this, no doubt
Damn I love this show. The only weak story line is Paige ...  
Boy Cord : 5/16/2018 3:47 pm : link
... in spy training. Her mom and dad were chosen because they were lethal weapons. She isn’t a bad ass like her mom. Can’t wait to see how this ends.

I could have sworn that he threw it away  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:48 pm : link
But I could be wrong
No, but as a legit American she can get access to places  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:48 pm : link
her mother can't.

I think it was Marilyn's necklace  
Southern Man : 5/16/2018 3:55 pm : link
that Phillip threw away. It fell off when, you know, her head fell off.
RE: Didn't Phillip throw the pill away?  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13965892 Greg from LI said:
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I don't think Paige has it in her to sacrifice her life for the Soviet Union, despite her bravado. I think she folds like a cheap tent.

And I think Henry turns on them all and asks Stan to be hus guardian.


He did throw it away, but when Elizabeth took the duffel bag stuffed with the dismembered body parts and threw it in the river they showed her kneel down and do something which I assumed was open the bag, they didn't show it but I think it was implied she took the pendant with the locket/pill back out of the bag. I think Phillip saw her doing something in the rearview and concluded she had done that.

So some speculation, but IMO Elizabeth still has the locket with the pill and Phillip knows she does.
Sounds better  
Southern Man : 5/16/2018 3:57 pm : link
than my explanation
RE: Didn't Phillip throw the pill away?  
jcn56 : 5/16/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13965892 Greg from LI said:
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I don't think Paige has it in her to sacrifice her life for the Soviet Union, despite her bravado. I think she folds like a cheap tent.

And I think Henry turns on them all and asks Stan to be hus guardian.


Does Henry actually know anything, though? Or do you think he founds out and rats them all out?
No, it was in the hotel room in Chicago  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:57 pm : link
Elizabeth showed it to him and I thought she handed it to him.
RE: Henry is a wildcard  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13965903 Sneakers O'toole said:
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In all of this, no doubt


I think Henry's purpose has been served, they used him to throw more blatant suspicion on Phillip and Elizabeth to Stan.

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Henry again.

Though, you never know.
Henry doesn't know anything yet  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:59 pm : link
But he DOES know there's something strange about his family - he's never met a single relative, his parents come and go at weird hours and sometimes are gone for days at a time, and his mother barely notices him. I don't think it would be hard for him to believe the truth when it's revealed to him.

You know who I'd like to see a return appearance of? Sandra Beeman. Milfalicious.
RE: Henry doesn't know anything yet  
jcn56 : 5/16/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13965927 Greg from LI said:
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But he DOES know there's something strange about his family - he's never met a single relative, his parents come and go at weird hours and sometimes are gone for days at a time, and his mother barely notices him. I don't think it would be hard for him to believe the truth when it's revealed to him.

You know who I'd like to see a return appearance of? Sandra Beeman. Milfalicious.


I thought that set up Stan nicely, but then it turned out to be nothing. Meanwhile, dopey Henry hasn't figured out one bit of it.
Has Stan actually "figured it out" yet (connected them to the  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/16/2018 4:09 pm : link
Russians case) as opposed to just finding their behavior/excuses very questionable in general? It seems to me if he "figured it out", he would be a helluva lot more aggressive than just snooping through their house.

I think the show might end with Stan getting killed by Renee (who's undercover), Henry finding out the connection and ratting his parents out (like Walt Jr.), and the Jennings having to return to Russia like Martha did via a plane in the middle of the night. They'll leave both kids behind even though Paige wants to go with them and Henry is disgusted by them.
There's a cameo that I'd like to see for 30 seconds  
jcn56 : 5/16/2018 4:11 pm : link
Martha on line for beets, with that patented smile of hers.
I think Stan has a strong suspicion  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 4:19 pm : link
But one of the recurring themes over the course of the series has been Stan dismissing his own instincts when he doesn't want to believe the worst about someone he likes. There was a scene towards the end of the Martha storyline where Stan has a dream about her, and in the dream she's taking files from the mail robot and putting them in her desk. Subconsciously, he knew she was up to no good, but he never acted on it because he convinced himself otherwise. Same thing with the Jennings family - he knows something is up, and even snoops through their house for the second time, but it's like he WANTS to be wrong because being right means that they've been operating under his nose for years.
and cut Henry some slack  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 4:20 pm : link
He's an honors student and the hockey team's star - he doesn't have time to figure out his parents' dark secret!
if theres a better show  
UESBLUE : 5/16/2018 4:33 pm : link
on broadcast tv tell me what it is. I will miss The Americans...
One thing I figured Stan  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 4:41 pm : link
would do or could have done (or could still do), is he knew Phillip and Elizabeth had to travel to Houston to deal with a customer issue.

Now, forget the fact they're travel agents, why would they possibly both have to go to Houston to meet with an angry customer due to some travel issue, but forget that for a minute.

Even in the mid-80's I have to believe the FBI had near real time if not actually real time access to flight manifests and he could have easily checked to see

a) Did Philip and Elizabeth Jennings actually fly to Houston on or around thanksgiving

b) Were they actually in Chicago when their target was lost and subsequently killed

C) if they flew under aliases there would be no record of Philip or Elizabeth Jennings traveling anywhere

all but A would set off red flags and we know A won't check out to be true

Love this show  
5BowlsSoon : 5/16/2018 4:56 pm : link
1. Please don’t let anything bad happen to Oleg
2. Liz deserves the same fate as Walter White
3. Paige locked up sounds good to me too
4. Stan lives and.........gets to take care of Henry since he was more of a father to him than Philip
5. Philip was going to cop a deal but ultimately gets killed by Stan’s gf
6. Martha is happy and has a child or two in the Mother Country
7. The heavy set handler is exposed and flogged......
awesome show gonna miss it so much  
Stu11 : 5/16/2018 5:24 pm : link
my takes-
- I thought the pill Phillip threw away was either the woman's or the guy they were trying to get out. Definitely not Liz's.
-they are making too big of a deal about the pill to not have Liz or maybe even Phillip swallow it in the end.
-I do think there's a good chance Phil doesn't make it, and yes its obvious Stan's woman is a plant especially with her wanting to worm her way in the bureau any way possible.
-I agree Greg, Paige is a traitor bitch who's either getting killed or flipped. She's in way over her head.
-Stan is on to them big time. I think it clicked in his mind about while driving with Henry and he realized the timing of him getting back from that big op in Philly and them not being there at home when he got back. I agree PJ that it should be easy for him to get info on the flight manifests and prove they didn't go to Houston. He's starting to realize that they disappear when his dept run big ops, what was the Philly op? I forget. I had something to do with Gregory no?
-There's still a lot left here to play out with involving Burov.
-One thing that has been consistent about the show is that if they don't kill a big character off we see them again, even if it takes years so I'm betting we get a bit of Martha. Would be an interesting way to end it with Phil back in Russia bumping into her.
-one way I see them going is Henry pulling what that son of the mirror family/agents pulled a few seasons back when he brutally murdered the whole family. Only he did it out of loyalty to the Russians maybe Henry doesn't go full on kill mode but he turns them into Stan?
- last but no least, still trying to decide what gets me more turned on- Wendy Rhoades or Liz going into full on blonde honeypot mode like what she's doing with the Sam Nunn intern...
Elizabeth still has the pill  
AnnapolisMike : 5/16/2018 5:50 pm : link
I'm not as critical of Paige as some of you. She was deep into the whole religious thing for a while and slide right from that into spying. She needs something to believe in and work for. Did you notice Stan picking up her cross necklace in her room when he was snooping around?

I think someone dies tonight....My guess is Stan.
Phillip seems to me somewhat of a contradiction  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2018 5:51 pm : link
last episode we watched as he hacked the head and hands off a Russian operative so they couldn't be identified and he shot at FBI agents (if I remember right) but I feel like in his mind he's mentally flipped already to becoming an American. We know he wants out of the kgb, but i never got the sense that it was to go "home". Has he ever said that?

I can see him fleeing somewhere if forced to by either the Russians or Americans, but I don't see him willingly going back to Russia.

RE: Phillip seems to me somewhat of a contradiction  
Stu11 : 5/16/2018 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13966063 pjcas18 said:
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last episode we watched as he hacked the head and hands off a Russian operative so they couldn't be identified and he shot at FBI agents (if I remember right) but I feel like in his mind he's mentally flipped already to becoming an American. We know he wants out of the kgb, but i never got the sense that it was to go "home". Has he ever said that?

I can see him fleeing somewhere if forced to by either the Russians or Americans, but I don't see him willingly going back to Russia.

Yep Phil has been in conflict since right off the bat in the pilot when he begged Liz to defect. With the flasbacks to his youth you see how damaged he is from that upbringing in poverty and squalor. The Center was a way out for him and now the conflict is that now that he has found inner peace in America he's conflicted because of all years of service and being married to Liz who's been full on dedicated since day one. Liz is definitely going down with the ship. They have given her 100 times to doubt her dedication over the years and she has always been steadfast. She hates the US and is 100% loyal to the cause.
The only thing holding Phillip back is devotion to Elizabeth  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 8:21 pm : link
I'm starting to think he ends up sacrificing himself to protect her/give her a chance to escape
Yea Phil would defect in a heart beat  
Stu11 : 5/16/2018 8:59 pm : link
But can he really believe he'd get away with it? I mean they literally send his wife to off defectors all the time. Even ones being guarded by the FBI.
I could see himself throwing himself on the sword to save Liz and Paig  
Stu11 : 5/16/2018 9:01 pm : link
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I think Elizabeth has to die for the series to end  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/16/2018 9:16 pm : link
can't believe the series is coming to an end. I will miss it.
Lots of great theories  
mikeygiants : 5/16/2018 9:27 pm : link
someone isn’t going to make it, I think it’s got to be Elizabeth. Oleg plays some part in all of this too. Could Renee be the one to take out Stan if he shares his suspicion of the family?
Best show on TV  
JerseyCityJoe : 5/16/2018 9:53 pm : link
My bet is Phillip gets caught and makes a deal to save his daughter. His wife makes it back to Russia.
Well  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 12:13 am : link
For a show with an endless number of horrible on-screen deaths, they managed to outdo themselves tonight.
RE: Best show on TV  
5BowlsSoon : 5/17/2018 7:52 am : link
In comment 13966173 JerseyCityJoe said:
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My bet is Phillip gets caught and makes a deal to save his daughter. His wife makes it back to Russia.


I’m now starting to come over to this line of thinking.....Philip will do ANYTHING for his family. He said that last night. He may be the sacrifice and somehow Liz gets to escape being caught and or death.

I would be shocked to see Stan taken out though, even though he is dating a Russian spy too. But, I do believe she will serve a “significant” purpose somehow......to possibly even kill of Philip and Liz, rather than Stan. Don’t forget, she now has a chance to work in the FBI so I don’t believe she wants to lose that cover. Killing Stan might bring suspicion to her.
RE: Well  
jcn56 : 5/17/2018 8:01 am : link
In comment 13966219 Greg from LI said:
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For a show with an endless number of horrible on-screen deaths, they managed to outdo themselves tonight.


Seriously, that seemed a bit gratuitous. I get the chopping off hands and heads to avoid identification, but was this whole sequence really necessary?
RE: RE: Best show on TV  
jcn56 : 5/17/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 13966263 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 13966173 JerseyCityJoe said:


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My bet is Phillip gets caught and makes a deal to save his daughter. His wife makes it back to Russia.



I’m now starting to come over to this line of thinking.....Philip will do ANYTHING for his family. He said that last night. He may be the sacrifice and somehow Liz gets to escape being caught and or death.

I would be shocked to see Stan taken out though, even though he is dating a Russian spy too. But, I do believe she will serve a “significant” purpose somehow......to possibly even kill of Philip and Liz, rather than Stan. Don’t forget, she now has a chance to work in the FBI so I don’t believe she wants to lose that cover. Killing Stan might bring suspicion to her.


I feel like Stan gets the ax and she remains in the FBI, even after Elizabeth and Philip are gone (in whatever manner they're either killed or displaced). Sort of a continuity play, even with a victory there's an ongoing battle.
Phillip is planning to die  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 8:07 am : link
He's broke but he's out buying an expensive new suit. He watches a movie from back home so he can hear Russian voices one more time. He visits Stavros to try to apologize.

Maybe I'm reading too much into all that, but seems to me like a guy getting his affairs in order.
Btw  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 8:10 am : link
I got a good laugh out of the letdown when Gregory's old partner tells Stan "I have something for you" and then gives him the invaluable gift of a Roy Rogers combo meal.
RE: Btw  
pjcas18 : 5/17/2018 8:19 am : link
In comment 13966271 Greg from LI said:
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I got a good laugh out of the letdown when Gregory's old partner tells Stan "I have something for you" and then gives him the invaluable gift of a Roy Rogers combo meal.


"you were honest with me" LOL.
RE: RE: Btw  
Stu11 : 5/17/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 13966280 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13966271 Greg from LI said:


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I got a good laugh out of the letdown when Gregory's old partner tells Stan "I have something for you" and then gives him the invaluable gift of a Roy Rogers combo meal.



"you were honest with me" LOL.

Lol yea that was great. Good catch there Greg on there Phillip getting affairs in order. Interesting to see after all these years we see a slight crack in Liz. We've found that there is a bridge too far for her. Interesting that both Liz and Phil ran into the same moment last night- where they were made,Liz with the Nun intern and Phil with Stavros where you could see them have the same reaction- " I just can't keep up with killing every loose end"
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