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NFT: The Americans, three episodes left

AnnapolisMike : 5/16/2018 3:03 pm
Been a good season so far. Really have no clue how they are going to end it, but I doubt anyone is riding off into the sunset. There are plenty of plot holes and inconsistencies...especially involving Stan who appears to be just now figuring it all out. But I just ignore them and enjoy it.

I do think Renee (Stan's girlfriend) is a spy and ends up killing him.
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RE: Lots of great theories  
AcesUp : 5/17/2018 10:27 am : link
In comment 13966162 mikeygiants said:
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someone isn’t going to make it, I think it’s got to be Elizabeth. Oleg plays some part in all of this too. Could Renee be the one to take out Stan if he shares his suspicion of the family?


I think pjcas had it right in the first post...some sort of climax where Renee is about to kill Stan as he tracks them but Phillip ends up killing Renee to save Stan. Probably some sort of bang bang scene where Phillip appears to be shooting at Stan, Stan shoots Phillip out of reflex but Phillip was actually saving Stan from Renee.
I still don't think Renee is KGB  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 11:34 am : link
Just seems too risky for them to plant an illegal as the live-in girlfriend/wife (I don't think they've ever established if they got married or not) of an FBI agent. Besides, Stan had been out of counterintelligence for a few years - what would be the point of her sticking around with him at that point? The Center desperate for information on bank robbery investigations?

I used to think that she might be a CIA plant to keep tabs on FBI CI agents, but again, why would she have stayed with Stan for years while he worked ordinary criminal cases?
I just can't imagine a quasi-believable storyline  
jcn56 : 5/17/2018 12:11 pm : link
that has a US intelligence agency putting a planted live-in girlfriend with someone working on counterintelligence.

Not that it won't happen, but that would be a real stretch. Now - girlfriend? Sure thing. Deep cover, full time live in? Just seems like too much could go wrong.

The Russians on the other hand - even Philip seems to think she's one of theirs. Would they take the chance? I don't see why not, when they're willing to sign up Paige with a job at the State Department.
yea they've kept her around, and featured her too much in past episode  
Stu11 : 5/17/2018 1:32 pm : link
re-caps for Renee not to be involved big time. I thought the CIA angle thing at first, but no way they would have hung in there for years especially since he has been out of counter-intel. Obviously from last night's epi and the previews of next week Stan is on Phil and Liz's tail big time. I agree there is a good chance this all ends in a shootout type situation with Phil/Liz/Renee/Stan. BTW for a show that has developed such awesome characters, the one that has always annoyed me is Aderholt. Seems like they could have done so much better with a Stan partner. There is no depth there and the guy is an awful actor.
But why would the KGB have expended such resources  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 2:32 pm : link
to have a deep cover agent be the girlfriend/wife of a guy investigating ordinary crimes? If he had been in CI the whole time, maybe, but he'd been out of that for at least two years by the show's timeline (previous season ended in early 1985, current season began in mid-1987).
yea I admit it has holes in it  
Stu11 : 5/17/2018 2:40 pm : link
plus why would they go through such lengths to plant her right next door to Phil and Liz without cluing them in at all? However she's still around for a reason. Maybe its an op that started out as surveillance on Stan, then when he transferred they kept her there in hopes of her getting an in to the Bureau even in a civilian position?
I guess  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 2:42 pm : link
Just seems like a loose end more than anything else. Not seeing an effective way to tie her in that makes any sense.

So, does Pastor Tim spill the beans when Stan calls?
RE: But why would the KGB have expended such resources  
jcn56 : 5/17/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13966738 Greg from LI said:
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to have a deep cover agent be the girlfriend/wife of a guy investigating ordinary crimes? If he had been in CI the whole time, maybe, but he'd been out of that for at least two years by the show's timeline (previous season ended in early 1985, current season began in mid-1987).


He's former CI, so he's got friends and contacts in that area. Could also be a twofer - monitor Philip and Liz while getting what they can from Stan.

Also - didn't Stan transfer after he started dating her?
I was never sure if  
pjcas18 : 5/17/2018 2:50 pm : link
Renee was KGB or not, but it sure seemed like they telegraphed it.

I wouldn't be surprised either way.

for being the 3rd to last episode ever they slow played it.

All we really learned was:

1. Elizabeth still has the cyanide pill

2. Elizabeth has developed a conscious. Seems almost out of character for her to let Jackson live and to decide removing Gorbachev wasn't for the good of the party - she seemed like an order taker most of the series, not someone who thinks too much.

3. Most of the employees at the travel agency probably knew it wasn't just a travel agency.

4. Stan is possibly a step closer to earnestly suspecting Elizabeth and Phillip.

Anything else?


The center would not want someone deep cover with an FBI agent  
AnnapolisMike : 5/17/2018 3:01 pm : link
living right across the street from deep cover residents?

There was some conversation about finding out if the Jennings actually flew to Houston, but that would likely require a warrant which Stan is not yet prepared to get yet. Stan is not blowing the whistle until he is sure.

The Jennings are kind of on the same side now...you could see a scenario in which they go to the FBI to let them know about the plot against Gorbachev. They don't seem to be caring about loose ends at this point.
Oh, Stan definitely suspects  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 3:22 pm : link
He broke into their house and is showing Elizabeth's picture to suspects from old cases. Plus, if you watched the next week preview, you have an exasperated Aderholt saying "Phillip and Elizabeth Jennings are not Soviet agents" and Stan saying "Yeah, but what if...
In the mid to late 80's  
pjcas18 : 5/17/2018 3:34 pm : link
I don't think he'd need a warrant to get a flight manifest.

not sure though. and it's part of an investigation, not like checking cell phone records (in today's equivalent).
Even if he needed the warrant for the purpose of prosecution  
jcn56 : 5/17/2018 3:45 pm : link
a phone call to someone in the know at the airlines with computer access could at least confirm what he suspected, and he could get the warrant after the fact.

These are small plot holes, though. The bigger ones - like the fact that these 'travel agents' have been suspiciously leaving their kids alone for days on end and disappear in the middle of the night, not being noticed by an FBI counterintelligence agent for a decade, seem to be the best place to start.
Of course there are larger plot holes  
pjcas18 : 5/17/2018 3:57 pm : link
and many of them have been discussed on here.

The flight manifest I only brought up b/c if I were Stan that's the first thing I'd check (to see a) if they were in Houston, b) if they were in Chicago and c) if they don't show up on a manifest at all) the answer would give him a lot of information without getting much information if you know what I mean.

So, yeah, small hole relatively speaking, but an obvious one.
"suspiciously leaving their kids alone for days on end"  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 3:59 pm : link
Hey, it was the '80s - didn't everyone's parents do that? No?
RE: The center would not want someone deep cover with an FBI agent  
Mike From Brielle : 5/17/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13966778 AnnapolisMike said:
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living right across the street from deep cover residents?

There was some conversation about finding out if the Jennings actually flew to Houston, but that would likely require a warrant which Stan is not yet prepared to get yet. Stan is not blowing the whistle until he is sure.

The Jennings are kind of on the same side now...you could see a scenario in which they go to the FBI to let them know about the plot against Gorbachev. They don't seem to be caring about loose ends at this point.


I believe I read someplace that the old KGB never had any personnel problems because they practically got whatever and whoever they wanted. Their operations had a lot of moving parts, they were highly compartmentalized, and they were very disciplined (or else). So I kind of feel them putting one agent on over-watch on another couple of agents one of whom they may have felt had the potential as a defector wouldn't be that out of line from what I read. Anyhow who knows.
I don't find it realistic  
steve in ky : 5/17/2018 4:37 pm : link
that Stan is that suspicious of them. He considers them his best friends and without something "Russian" triggering the suspicions I don't think it's believable he goes there simply because they are a couple who just happen to also often leave home on "business". They should have allowed for a small slip up on their parts for the thought to be planted. Maybe when Elizabeth brought home the authentic Russian food they cooked that Phillip was too full to enjoy they could have had him talk her into not throwing it away and then have Stan wonder over when he was eating it. Still a pretty benign clue but at least something more legitimate to get him to mentally get to the point of actively investigating his closest friends as murdering spies.
He had suspected them before, though  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2018 4:48 pm : link
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In regards to my comments in the thread before last night's ep,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/17/2018 5:05 pm : link
I guess Stan has "figured it out", although I must say I'm unhappy with how it happened. Phillip made the worst excuse ever for having to dump Henry on Stan.

The craziest thing that happened in last night's ep was Stavros admitting that he knew something was up with the Jennings. Between Phillip letting that go and Elizabeth letting the kid go, the Jennings are losing their "touch" and that could possibly lead to them getting caught.

I can't quite put my finger on why Phillip would be buying a new suit.
One theory I read  
pjcas18 : 5/17/2018 5:16 pm : link
about the suit is to show he's Americanized.

He just came clean with his deceit to Elizabeth, he told Stavros he's in financial ruin, he is fed up with shit like in Chicago having to chop off someone's hands and head, so it's a human (or definitely American) reaction to depression to shop to soothe yourself. Spend money you don't have because you can.

Maybe a stretch but the place I read it quoted one of the writers.

Renee is played by a pretty big tv actress  
AcesUp : 5/17/2018 6:13 pm : link
It would be one hell of a red herring to sign that actress to make a couple of small cameos for a few seasons unless she played a pivotal role in the plot.
RE: I was never sure if  
Mike From Brielle : 5/17/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13966765 pjcas18 said:


2. Elizabeth has developed a conscious. Seems almost out of character for her to let Jackson live and to decide removing Gorbachev wasn't for the good of the party - she seemed like an order taker most of the series, not someone who thinks too much.

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I kind of thought that her refusal to execute that assignment was her way of saying I am not a serial killer, I am an agent for my party and country (she really means just country but is capable of lying to herself). Plus she probably figured out it was a bogus assignment (which she's probably taken into consideration the information she's heard from Philip). She probably should be nervous about getting involved with somebodies non-official political agenda. I believe Russian history is rife with people ending up on the short end of the stick because they didn't look before the leapt and ended as fall guys.
RE: One theory I read  
DaShotel13 : 5/17/2018 9:17 pm : link
I took that it was for his funeral. Maybe an “out there” theory but I get the sense that Phillip is readying to die protecting his family from what he knows is coming.

Just a hunch
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