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NFT: Yanks 3rd Off Day in 4 Days Thread

BC Eagles94 : 5/17/2018 9:57 am
Looks like Frazier is staying with the big club even though we're leaving the NL park. Although it is very well still short lived. We have two lefties in K.C., but more importantly certainly don't need the extra bullpen arm with all these off days. So Frazier may get to stay up a little longer than expected, until an extra bullpen arm is really needed. Which could be a little while as not one bullpen arm has pitched since Sunday! Since the one half game we got in, didn't get into bullpen yet. And with all the missed days German may get skipped for his next start, and be used as another arm out of bullpen.

Now that we are out of NL, Frazier will get starts vs. lefties (unlike on TU vs. Gio). Because Stanton can stay at DH and Frazier can play LF in place of the lefty Gardner.

Going through Yanks withdrawal over here! Until tom. night, it will have been only 5 1/2 innings of an incomplete game over 4 days!
i wouldn't be surprised to see gardy play CF  
Justlurking : 5/17/2018 10:02 am : link
vs lefties. Hicks has been anemic vs lefties as well and Gardner is more heart and soul type guy.
That sac fly by Hicks to tie it up Tuesday was big  
mfsd : 5/17/2018 10:10 am : link
Otherwise, they probably call the game as a Nats win.
RE: That sac fly by Hicks to tie it up Tuesday was big  
Neckbone1333 : 5/17/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13966402 mfsd said:
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Otherwise, they probably call the game as a Nats win.


Except it was Tyler Austin that hit the sac fly to tie it up.
Maybe the plan is to platoon Hicks & Gardner  
arniefez : 5/17/2018 10:29 am : link
in CF If Frazier starts out hot and they decide they don't need the extra bullpen arm. It would keep Gardner fresh and might help the offense not to have both him and Hicks in the lineup everyday. Doesn't have to be a strict RH/LH platoon they can go by match ups. We can dream on Bird coming back healthy and Frazier in LF. That would be some 1 through 9.
As a met fan  
gmenatlarge : 5/17/2018 10:35 am : link
a few days off would be a good thing, it's miserable having your season end before Memorial Day!
This team should be extremely well-rested  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/17/2018 10:38 am : link
for tomorrow's game.
Cody carroll  
viggie : 5/17/2018 11:00 am : link
Getting 2nd day in a row , bet he gets a bullpen shot sooner than later
RE: RE: That sac fly by Hicks to tie it up Tuesday was big  
Sec 103 : 5/17/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 13966420 Neckbone1333 said:
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Otherwise, they probably call the game as a Nats win.



Except it was Tyler Austin that hit the sac fly to tie it up.

LOL.... Indeed
Bullpen should be energized  
The_Boss : 5/17/2018 11:09 am : link
Which is good considering Sonny's spot is coming up in the rotation.
RE: RE: That sac fly by Hicks to tie it up Tuesday was big  
mfsd : 5/17/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 13966420 Neckbone1333 said:
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Otherwise, they probably call the game as a Nats win.



Except it was Tyler Austin that hit the sac fly to tie it up.


Heh. I misremembered:)
RE: Cody carroll  
BC Eagles94 : 5/17/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13966485 viggie said:
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Getting 2nd day in a row , bet he gets a bullpen shot sooner than later


He'll def be in the mix. But with Kahnle and Warren coming back soon, I don't see it happening anytime soon. There isn't enough of a need for him, to use up a valuable 40 man spot on him. Especially if we need to use one on a starter like Adams (who finally had a great start last night) or Sheffield.
really weird sked this year. 18 games in a row, then 3 scheduled days  
Victor in CT : 5/17/2018 2:51 pm : link
off in 11 days. Now the rain. And many more than I can ever remember overlapping homestands with the Mets.

I would have come back with Seve on regular rest on Friday. He's the ace, keep him on his regular schedule.
Would the Mets ever trade deGrom to the Yankees?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/17/2018 5:17 pm : link
I'd give them Sheffield, Abreu, and Andujar to begin with. I'd like to find someone else not named Clint Frazier or Estevan Florial to give them, but that may be impossible.
RE: Would the Mets ever trade deGrom to the Yankees?  
rich in DC : 5/17/2018 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13966904 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I'd give them Sheffield, Abreu, and Andujar to begin with. I'd like to find someone else not named Clint Frazier or Estevan Florial to give them, but that may be impossible.


Why would the Yanks do that? deGrom is going to turn 30 next month and can't stay healthy. The guy is less dependable than Tanaka.

The Yanks need LONG term answers, not short term fixes- and they wouldn't trade all that for a #2/#3 SP.

Now, if the Mets want to talk about Syndergaard, that's a different conversation- a 25 year old SP with great stuff. Sure, he missed most of 2017- but no arm injury- just a lat tear. A MUCH better SP than deGrom.
RE: RE: Would the Mets ever trade deGrom to the Yankees?  
Eli Wilson : 5/17/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13966922 rich in DC said:
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I'd give them Sheffield, Abreu, and Andujar to begin with. I'd like to find someone else not named Clint Frazier or Estevan Florial to give them, but that may be impossible.



Why would the Yanks do that? deGrom is going to turn 30 next month and can't stay healthy. The guy is less dependable than Tanaka.

The Yanks need LONG term answers, not short term fixes- and they wouldn't trade all that for a #2/#3 SP.

Now, if the Mets want to talk about Syndergaard, that's a different conversation- a 25 year old SP with great stuff. Sure, he missed most of 2017- but no arm injury- just a lat tear. A MUCH better SP than deGrom.


Could we "make" them take Sonny Gray in a deal like that?
All these days off  
GruningsOnTheHill : 5/17/2018 6:16 pm : link
I'm having NYY withdrawal; this is worse than the All-Star break.

Jaysus..
RE: RE: Would the Mets ever trade deGrom to the Yankees?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/17/2018 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13966922 rich in DC said:
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Why would the Yanks do that? deGrom is going to turn 30 next month and can't stay healthy. The guy is less dependable than Tanaka.

The Yanks need LONG term answers, not short term fixes- and they wouldn't trade all that for a #2/#3 SP.

Now, if the Mets want to talk about Syndergaard, that's a different conversation- a 25 year old SP with great stuff. Sure, he missed most of 2017- but no arm injury- just a lat tear. A MUCH better SP than deGrom.


First of all, the only reason they would trade deGrom is because he's 30 years-old. They have no reason to trade Syndegaard unless they're burning the entire franchise down. Second, he's not MUCH better than deGrom. There's no statistical analysis to back that up whatsoever, especially when you consider than deGrom has thrown FAR more innings than Syndegaard in the same time period. Syndegaard throws harder and is younger... that doesn't mean he's an "ace" while deGrom is "just a #2/#3 starter". Where on earth did you get that from? Less dependable than Tanaka? Once again, I have no idea what that is based on because it surely isn't based on stats.
RE: RE: RE: Would the Mets ever trade deGrom to the Yankees?  
rich in DC : 5/17/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13966972 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Why would the Yanks do that? deGrom is going to turn 30 next month and can't stay healthy. The guy is less dependable than Tanaka.

The Yanks need LONG term answers, not short term fixes- and they wouldn't trade all that for a #2/#3 SP.

Now, if the Mets want to talk about Syndergaard, that's a different conversation- a 25 year old SP with great stuff. Sure, he missed most of 2017- but no arm injury- just a lat tear. A MUCH better SP than deGrom.



First of all, the only reason they would trade deGrom is because he's 30 years-old. They have no reason to trade Syndegaard unless they're burning the entire franchise down. Second, he's not MUCH better than deGrom. There's no statistical analysis to back that up whatsoever, especially when you consider than deGrom has thrown FAR more innings than Syndegaard in the same time period. Syndegaard throws harder and is younger... that doesn't mean he's an "ace" while deGrom is "just a #2/#3 starter". Where on earth did you get that from? Less dependable than Tanaka? Once again, I have no idea what that is based on because it surely isn't based on stats.


Because Syndergaard has better stuff. His stuff matches Severino's. deGrom's stuff places third in that race.

It also said A LOT about the Mets valuation of the two when they had a one game wild card play-in in 2016- and went with Snydergaard- who was outstanding- though the bullpen blew the game.

In the 2016 World Series, Syndergaard won his start- and deGrom was pathetic.

Furthermore, deGrom has already had surgery on his ulnar nerve in his pitching elbow AND hyperextended his pitching elbow. That elbow is not going to hold up as he ages.

Syndergaard tore his lat (side injury) after he had biceps tendonitis- though apparently one was not related to the other. No elbow or shoulder injuries.

I really don't care who had more starts or innings- what matters is who gets the ball when you need a win. deGrom isn't that guy- and Snydergaard is.

There is no reason whatsoever for the Yanks to pay through the nose for a guy who is NOT a difference maker and won't budge the post-season needle. This team is designed to be a competitor for a number of years- this is not a short term window.

If the Mets want a kings ransom for Syndergaard, you consider it. If they ask for anything more than Gray and a prospect for deGrom, you hang up the phone.
Haha  
BigBlueShock : 5/17/2018 7:51 pm : link
You have no idea what youíre talking about. deGrom is an absolute stud. Doesnít move the needle in the post season? Wtf? Sonny Gray and a prospect for deGrom? Jeezus man.

deGrom May be the most underrated pitcher in baseball because he was a late bloomer so people keep waiting for the wheels to fall off. Meanwhile he continues to be one of the best pitchers in baseball and fans come up with things like he doesnít move the needle in the playoffs or that heís somehow brittle. Or heís over the hill at age 29. Just stop.
But it doesnít matter anyway  
BigBlueShock : 5/17/2018 7:58 pm : link
The Mets arenít dealing deGrom or Syndergaard to the Yankees. Youíre talking about an owner that lost his mind when the Marlins traded Stanton to the Yankees. In short, hechad the NL MVP leave his own division and he was pissed. Think about that for a minute. He hates the Yankees far more than he cares about the success of his own team.
RE: RE: RE: Would the Mets ever trade deGrom to the Yankees?  
chopperhatch : 5/17/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13966972 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Why would the Yanks do that? deGrom is going to turn 30 next month and can't stay healthy. The guy is less dependable than Tanaka.

The Yanks need LONG term answers, not short term fixes- and they wouldn't trade all that for a #2/#3 SP.

Now, if the Mets want to talk about Syndergaard, that's a different conversation- a 25 year old SP with great stuff. Sure, he missed most of 2017- but no arm injury- just a lat tear. A MUCH better SP than deGrom.



First of all, the only reason they would trade deGrom is because he's 30 years-old. They have no reason to trade Syndegaard unless they're burning the entire franchise down. Second, he's not MUCH better than deGrom. There's no statistical analysis to back that up whatsoever, especially when you consider than deGrom has thrown FAR more innings than Syndegaard in the same time period. Syndegaard throws harder and is younger... that doesn't mean he's an "ace" while deGrom is "just a #2/#3 starter". Where on earth did you get that from? Less dependable than Tanaka? Once again, I have no idea what that is based on because it surely isn't based on stats.


Because people misuse the term Ace. An "ace" is a guy who is in the top five in every important statistical category and is consistently dominant. I have not researched whether Syndy (I wont call him Thor) has been that and he has about the same track record as Sevvy. The main difference btwn the two is that Sevvy is right there with the best in the AL in everything right now and has been since last year. Right now he is an "ace" because of that.

All that aside, I would LOVE another 25 year old pitcher like Syndegaard. I would gove up Sheff, Acevedo, Frazier plus for him. But its not going to happen. So not worth discussing.
RE: Haha  
chopperhatch : 5/17/2018 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13966995 BigBlueShock said:
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You have no idea what youíre talking about. deGrom is an absolute stud. Doesnít move the needle in the post season? Wtf? Sonny Gray and a prospect for deGrom? Jeezus man.

deGrom May be the most underrated pitcher in baseball because he was a late bloomer so people keep waiting for the wheels to fall off. Meanwhile he continues to be one of the best pitchers in baseball and fans come up with things like he doesnít move the needle in the playoffs or that heís somehow brittle. Or heís over the hill at age 29. Just stop.


Shock, youre absolutely wrong about this. You dont consider the type of deal it would take to get Syndy if thats what deGrom would cost...and its not close. Frazier and Florial are both off the table if the price for deGrom is Sheffield+. Vice versa if the mets want one of the outfielders, Sheff is off the table. Syndegaard is a guy I would be okay with going big time for. Having a 1-2 of Sevvy and Syndegaard for years is worth it to me and a significant move against the staffs of Cleveland and Houston.

You have to stop beig so dismissive, because rich is making perfect sense here. You go all in for Syndegaard if he is made available. You dont do that for deGrom
I like DeGrom  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2018 9:02 pm : link
but I have no interest in his injuries and what it would cost for them. Iíd rather pay more for Syndegard, and have 5 more years of upside.

It isnít happening but thatís what Iíd do/want.
RE: I like DeGrom  
chopperhatch : 5/17/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13967029 UConn4523 said:
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but I have no interest in his injuries and what it would cost for them. Iíd rather pay more for Syndegard, and have 5 more years of upside.

It isnít happening but thatís what Iíd do/want.


Yes....

deGrom the max I want to give up is Andujar/Drury (anyicipating a strong push for Machado), Adams/Tate and maybe a McKinney. Thats infield, putfield and a possible starter. GFY and your shitty team if you want more.
RE: RE: Haha  
BigBlueShock : 5/17/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13967025 chopperhatch said:
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You have no idea what youíre talking about. deGrom is an absolute stud. Doesnít move the needle in the post season? Wtf? Sonny Gray and a prospect for deGrom? Jeezus man.

deGrom May be the most underrated pitcher in baseball because he was a late bloomer so people keep waiting for the wheels to fall off. Meanwhile he continues to be one of the best pitchers in baseball and fans come up with things like he doesnít move the needle in the playoffs or that heís somehow brittle. Or heís over the hill at age 29. Just stop.



Shock, youre absolutely wrong about this. You dont consider the type of deal it would take to get Syndy if thats what deGrom would cost...and its not close. Frazier and Florial are both off the table if the price for deGrom is Sheffield+. Vice versa if the mets want one of the outfielders, Sheff is off the table. Syndegaard is a guy I would be okay with going big time for. Having a 1-2 of Sevvy and Syndegaard for years is worth it to me and a significant move against the staffs of Cleveland and Houston.

You have to stop beig so dismissive, because rich is making perfect sense here. You go all in for Syndegaard if he is made available. You dont do that for deGrom

Chop, I never said that Iíd give up what it would take to get deGrom. I wouldnít, but that has more to do with the package it would take than deGrom. It would take a shit load for deGrom and even more for Syndergaard. Of course I would prefer Syndergaard over deGrom, but people acting like deGrom is some middling number 3 starter that couldnít help in the post season are the ones that are wrong, not me. deGrom is a very, very good pitcher. But my statement wasnít about deGrom versus Syndergaard, it was taking exception to the fact that deGrom is some old, broken down average pitcher. Heís not any of those.
The Yanks  
mitch300 : 5/17/2018 10:02 pm : link
Had to sleep in the airport last night due to mechanical problems with the plane. WOW.
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