Reading some stories about Seth Lugo situation etc, I get the sense he is in over his head w some managerial responsibilities.
And I was all about this hire. I’d hate to be on the wrong side of this hype as I thought Terry Collins was pedestrian and needed to go from day one, but I think I am going to be letdown.
Mickey Mouse Club might be a fitting name.
what situation. Let Lugo start over Vargas!
The best men should get more opportunities, before the season goes down the tube.
Alderson needs to be fired.
what situation. Let Lugo start over Vargas!
OK. Well, whatever you think of the situation, Mickey Callaway didn’t give Vargas a $16 million contract. You’re smoking something if you think Callaway has the power to kick Vargas.
More worried about the lousy roster, the terrible hitting and the lack of depth in the farm system. That's not on Callaway.
Good for the coaches to address a problem. But this is something that should have been addressed before he ever got to the majors.
Rosario owns one stolen base, so clearly, with his speed, he hasn’t come close to figuring out how to steal bases, either. If Rosario can’t bunt and can’t steal bases, you have to wonder what he learned at Triple-A last season.
Some of that is the player possessing baseball instincts, but that gets back to scouting and then how players have learned through the minor leagues.
Rosario is just one small example of little things not being accomplished well, which contributes to a bigger problem."
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Not to miller as Im a Yanks fan, but this post represents something thats always baffled me.
You are in the majors and you cant lay down a bunt?
But i feel the same way about free throws in the nba. It makes no sense that Chris Dudley, Shaq or Dwight Howard cant make free throws.
Bunting and free throws are two things where practice makes perfect. When a baseball player is called on to bunt and pops it up, Id want send him home before he even got to the dugout. I dont care who u are.
Not to miller as Im a Yanks fan, but this post represents something thats always baffled me.
You are in the majors and you cant lay down a bunt?
But i feel the same way about free throws in the nba. It makes no sense that Chris Dudley, Shaq or Dwight Howard cant make free throws.
Bunting and free throws are two things where practice makes perfect. When a baseball player is called on to bunt and pops it up, Id want send him home before he even got to the dugout. I dont care who u are.
As for bunting, comparing it to FT shooting is a massive stretch. Bunting has a lot more factors involved than just a ball and a stationary hoop. If bunting was easy we’d see it a lot more but the risk reward just isn’t there anymore in today’s game.
teams really need to stop deploying shits. It's not sanitary.
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With some of the shits teams deploy these days bunting for some easy men on base may be the easiest way to make them pay. All minor league systems should be teaching it more.
teams really need to stop deploying shits. It's not sanitary.
LOL, new strategy of sabermetrics
Other than that, I don't think he deserves much blame for this year. Sandy has left this organization in shambles from MLB to the minors and the manager has no input on that.
At least his drafts were better
Then injuries happened and some guys cant turn back the clock 5 years
I absolutely HATE this rationale. Start off like gang busters playing the type of baseball that we’ve all clamored for over the years. Then suddenly revert back to the same garbage of play and a downward spiral. But we are supposed to be happy because it’s where we should have been all along?
Nope, doesn’t work like that. And I hear it a lot.
he has passed over Lugo and Gsellman constantly all season when his "great" pitchers have faltered. And now they aren't stretched out (whatever the fuck that means these days) And yet He keeps saying things like "versatility is important to team" And obviously the relief pitcher shuttle system is a fail so far as none of them can get past an inning without giving up 7 runs or getting hurt.
And don't get me started on the pitching decisions in the game. Isn't this guy supposed to be a guru? His 4 inning starter routine is getting old IMO.
I just feel he is a lot over his head so far.
Jeff Torborg Syndrome.
Well done.
Now Owners & GM's are another story. The people who posted on them on this thread that's where the Mets have their real issues. It's unfathomable that Sandy Alderson is still employed after his drafts over the past 5-6 years and his free agent signings.
What does that say about Sandy if our manager is afraid to use two of our best 5 pitchers in the rotation because the bullpen is so thin? Either way you slice it, it's a shitshow.
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.
What does that say about Sandy if our manager is afraid to use two of our best 5 pitchers in the rotation because the bullpen is so thin? Either way you slice it, it's a shitshow.
This was the year where I ran out of rope for Sandy. I think he's done a terrible job and needs to go.
I gave him a pass last year because of the injuries. I gave him a pass the first few years he was here because he inherited a mess with major payroll constraints.
But the excuse well has dried up. His drafts suck, the farm sucks, the MLB team sucks. The Mets have like 4 total months of being a respectable, winning baseball team in the 8 years Alderson has been here. I'm tired of it.
Nimmo
Mcneil
Cespedes
Cabrera
Alonso
Conforto
Rosario
Mesoreco
Use a rotation of:
Thor
DeGrom
Gsellmen
Lugo
Matz
Garbage men (only to be used in the LOWEST leverage situations until proven otherwise):
Ramos
Wheeler
Vargas
The following are his greatest successes
1 - Noah trade (would be curious how high they were on him at time since darnold was allegedly lynch pin of trade)
2 - trading for Ces (originally wanted gomez so fell into ass backwards)
3 - Drafting Conforto
4 - resigning Ces to a one year deal (was letting him go when market took a massive turn)
5 - not signing Harvey to a long term deal.
Biggest misses
1 - not resigning danny murphy
2 - Justin Turner (smh)
3 - Letting Reyes walk for nothing
4 - Wright extension (though I was a fan he should have been traded and the team rebuilt)
5 - drafting cechini - anyone paying attention knew it was a bad pick the minute he made it.
6 - Minor league development: i.e. almost every other pick he has made outside of Alonso and Conforto
7 - Frankie Francisco contract
8 - De aza (thought that was really going to be a replacement for cespdes???)
9 - Bullpen construction every damn year
10 - Chris Young
11 - Not signing any of this talent to a long term deal like degrom, familia, or thor (yet)
12 - catcher position every damn year
13 - SS for 3 straight years
I actually don't think it's as difficult a decision as they make it seem to be. It all starts with the starting pitchers. By the time it gets to Gsellman/Lugo, it's normally out of reach (or out of time) anyway. And what was the point of trading for 800 relief pitchers last year anyway then? So they can rot in the minors? Or do they all suck because Sandy is an awful GM?
There is zero logical reason why Gsellman and Lugo are still in the BP.
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.
I actually don't think it's as difficult a decision as they make it seem to be. It all starts with the starting pitchers. By the time it gets to Gsellman/Lugo, it's normally out of reach (or out of time) anyway. And what was the point of trading for 800 relief pitchers last year anyway then? So they can rot in the minors? Or do they all suck because Sandy is an awful GM?
There is zero logical reason why Gsellman and Lugo are still in the BP.
There's logical reasons, but they stink. Sandy doesn't want to pull Vargas out of the rotation because he'll look bad after handing him $16M. Wheeler has complained about going to the pen so they are rewarding Wheeler for being inflexible, and unlike Harvey, they seem to still be babying Wheeler despite him accomplishing ZERO for this team over the past almost half decade.
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.
I actually don't think it's as difficult a decision as they make it seem to be. It all starts with the starting pitchers. By the time it gets to Gsellman/Lugo, it's normally out of reach (or out of time) anyway. And what was the point of trading for 800 relief pitchers last year anyway then? So they can rot in the minors? Or do they all suck because Sandy is an awful GM?
There is zero logical reason why Gsellman and Lugo are still in the BP.
There's logical reasons, but they stink. Sandy doesn't want to pull Vargas out of the rotation because he'll look bad after handing him $16M. Wheeler has complained about going to the pen so they are rewarding Wheeler for being inflexible, and unlike Harvey, they seem to still be babying Wheeler despite him accomplishing ZERO for this team over the past almost half decade.
And this is a great example of why this team continually sucks under Sandy's leadership.
I also find it funny how many of the "rah rah" guys that were around earlier in the season have all but disappeared. They probably think that the bats are still just ice cold.
Thor
Lugo
Gsellman
Matz
That would probably be a pretty good rotation, actually.
Unless they want to just sit idly by and watch this season go right down the dumps, they have to make some changes like this.
Thor
Lugo
Gsellman
Matz
That would probably be a pretty good rotation, actually.
Unless they want to just sit idly by and watch this season go right down the dumps, they have to make some changes like this.
Agreed. No idea what the mindset is to not have Lugo or Gsellman in the rotation. What exactly are they waiting for? Especially considering that no starter can pitch more than 6 innings in each start. But hey, we can throw Gsellman out there every other day and have pitch a couple of innings. How long before we hear he has a "tired arm" or some other injury?
But hey, Sandy traded away MLB players for a bunch of minor league bullpen arms last year. Maybe one day they will see that strategy come to fruition.
If they have to use guys like Oswalt to fill out the pen, so be it.
Blevins will hopefully pick it back up. Sewald has been pretty good.
We do still have Swarzak... sort of. If he ever gets healthy.
Throw Vargas in the pen as a fucking mop up guy and put Wheeler in there too. Neither one of those guys deserves to be in the rotation.