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NFT: Mickey Callaway in over his head?

giantsFC : 5/17/2018 9:47 pm
Reading some stories about Seth Lugo situation etc, I get the sense he is in over his head w some managerial responsibilities.

And I was all about this hire. I’d hate to be on the wrong side of this hype as I thought Terry Collins was pedestrian and needed to go from day one, but I think I am going to be letdown.

Mickey Mouse Club might be a fitting name.
What Seth Lugo situation?  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/17/2018 10:02 pm : link
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RE: What Seth Lugo situation?  
spike : 5/17/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13967082 Jim in Fairfax said:
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what situation. Let Lugo start over Vargas!
This team and roster  
spike : 5/17/2018 10:19 pm : link
cannot have guys on scholarships, based on their contract numbers.

The best men should get more opportunities, before the season goes down the tube.
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arcarsenal : 5/17/2018 10:26 pm : link
Terry Collins wasn't our problem before, and Mickey isn't our problem now.

Alderson needs to be fired.
RE: RE: What Seth Lugo situation?  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/17/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13967094 spike said:
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what situation. Let Lugo start over Vargas!

OK. Well, whatever you think of the situation, Mickey Callaway didn’t give Vargas a $16 million contract. You’re smoking something if you think Callaway has the power to kick Vargas.
He's a rookie manager.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/17/2018 11:49 pm : link
He's on a learning curve. He's made some mistakes, I assume he'll learn and do better.

More worried about the lousy roster, the terrible hitting and the lack of depth in the farm system. That's not on Callaway.
damning lack of minor league development  
spike : 5/18/2018 12:02 am : link
"Mets coaches were trying to teach Amed Rosario how to bunt the other day, some of the most basic bunting techniques that you might see in Instructional League.

Good for the coaches to address a problem. But this is something that should have been addressed before he ever got to the majors.

Rosario owns one stolen base, so clearly, with his speed, he hasn’t come close to figuring out how to steal bases, either. If Rosario can’t bunt and can’t steal bases, you have to wonder what he learned at Triple-A last season.

Some of that is the player possessing baseball instincts, but that gets back to scouting and then how players have learned through the minor leagues.

Rosario is just one small example of little things not being accomplished well, which contributes to a bigger problem."
Arrest development - ( New Window )
Bunting skills in general seem to be lost of many MLB players today  
steve in ky : 5/18/2018 12:08 am : link
With some of the shits teams deploy these days bunting for some easy men on base may be the easiest way to make them pay. All minor league systems should be teaching it more.
RE: Bunting skills in general seem to be lost of many MLB players today  
chopperhatch : 5/18/2018 1:45 am : link
In comment 13967141 steve in ky said:
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With some of the shits teams deploy these days bunting for some easy men on base may be the easiest way to make them pay. All minor league systems should be teaching it more.


Not to miller as Im a Yanks fan, but this post represents something thats always baffled me.

You are in the majors and you cant lay down a bunt?

But i feel the same way about free throws in the nba. It makes no sense that Chris Dudley, Shaq or Dwight Howard cant make free throws.

Bunting and free throws are two things where practice makes perfect. When a baseball player is called on to bunt and pops it up, Id want send him home before he even got to the dugout. I dont care who u are.
RE: Bunting skills in general seem to be lost of many MLB players today  
chopperhatch : 5/18/2018 1:46 am : link
In comment 13967141 steve in ky said:
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With some of the shits teams deploy these days bunting for some easy men on base may be the easiest way to make them pay. All minor league systems should be teaching it more.


Not to miller as Im a Yanks fan, but this post represents something thats always baffled me.

You are in the majors and you cant lay down a bunt?

But i feel the same way about free throws in the nba. It makes no sense that Chris Dudley, Shaq or Dwight Howard cant make free throws.

Bunting and free throws are two things where practice makes perfect. When a baseball player is called on to bunt and pops it up, Id want send him home before he even got to the dugout. I dont care who u are.
Callaway isn’t the problem  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2018 6:19 am : link
Isn’t that obvious?

As for bunting, comparing it to FT shooting is a massive stretch. Bunting has a lot more factors involved than just a ball and a stationary hoop. If bunting was easy we’d see it a lot more but the risk reward just isn’t there anymore in today’s game.
RE: Bunting skills in general seem to be lost of many MLB players today  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2018 7:55 am : link
In comment 13967141 steve in ky said:
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With some of the shits teams deploy these days bunting for some easy men on base may be the easiest way to make them pay. All minor league systems should be teaching it more.


teams really need to stop deploying shits. It's not sanitary.
The team is old  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/18/2018 8:19 am : link
And doesn’t have anyone in the farm system to come up. It’s not Callaway’s fault. Blame the GM and the owners.
RE: RE: Bunting skills in general seem to be lost of many MLB players today  
steve in ky : 5/18/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13967191 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13967141 steve in ky said:


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With some of the shits teams deploy these days bunting for some easy men on base may be the easiest way to make them pay. All minor league systems should be teaching it more.



teams really need to stop deploying shits. It's not sanitary.


LOL, new strategy of sabermetrics
He doesn't done a great  
Metnut : 5/18/2018 8:55 am : link
job improving/developing the pitchers like he was highly touted to be able to do. So far, Warthen has been vindicated a bit.

Other than that, I don't think he deserves much blame for this year. Sandy has left this organization in shambles from MLB to the minors and the manager has no input on that.
They are better off  
spike : 5/18/2018 8:58 am : link
Putting Omar back in charge at GM

At least his drafts were better
Looking at their roster  
Elisthebest : 5/18/2018 10:10 am : link
in the Spring could we have expected better than 20-19 at this point?
Yes  
spike : 5/18/2018 10:13 am : link
They were saying this is the best lineup in a long time.

Then injuries happened and some guys cant turn back the clock 5 years
RE: Looking at their roster  
PhiPsi125 : 5/18/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13967375 Elisthebest said:
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in the Spring could we have expected better than 20-19 at this point?


I absolutely HATE this rationale. Start off like gang busters playing the type of baseball that we’ve all clamored for over the years. Then suddenly revert back to the same garbage of play and a downward spiral. But we are supposed to be happy because it’s where we should have been all along?

Nope, doesn’t work like that. And I hear it a lot.
He’s definitely made some mistakes,  
Section331 : 5/18/2018 10:35 am : link
but I think he’ll get better. If the team is going to be built around pitching, I don’t think it’s the worst idea to have a pitching guy manage the team. Besides, Callaway is the least of the Mets problems right now.
I appear to be in the minority.  
giantsFC : 5/18/2018 10:51 am : link
Which is great bc I was team Callaway from the initial hiring process. But I'm on a rant.

he has passed over Lugo and Gsellman constantly all season when his "great" pitchers have faltered. And now they aren't stretched out (whatever the fuck that means these days) And yet He keeps saying things like "versatility is important to team" And obviously the relief pitcher shuttle system is a fail so far as none of them can get past an inning without giving up 7 runs or getting hurt.

And don't get me started on the pitching decisions in the game. Isn't this guy supposed to be a guru? His 4 inning starter routine is getting old IMO.

I just feel he is a lot over his head so far.


Jeff Torborg Syndrome.


Selling off his players last season for 800 relievers  
PhiPsi125 : 5/18/2018 10:58 am : link
has really worked out great for Sandy. Like all the rest of his moves.

Well done.
I agree that leaving Gsellmen and Lugo  
Metnut : 5/18/2018 11:11 am : link
in the bullpen is baffling. There's no accountability or reward for performance. Wheeler gets rocked 75% of the time and keeps his rotation spot. He had a shit spring and has followed up with a shit start to the season. Gsellmen and Lugo looked great in the spring, and have at least been solid in the pen. When does performance get rewarded?
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arcarsenal : 5/18/2018 11:13 am : link
It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.
If Aaron Boone and Mickey Callaway swapped teams  
arniefez : 5/18/2018 11:15 am : link
the Yankees & Mets would have exactly the same records they have now. Baseball managers are glorified baby sitters. They are in place so people like us have someone to vent about.

Now Owners & GM's are another story. The people who posted on them on this thread that's where the Mets have their real issues. It's unfathomable that Sandy Alderson is still employed after his drafts over the past 5-6 years and his free agent signings.
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Metnut : 5/18/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13967467 arcarsenal said:
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.


What does that say about Sandy if our manager is afraid to use two of our best 5 pitchers in the rotation because the bullpen is so thin? Either way you slice it, it's a shitshow.
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arcarsenal : 5/18/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 13967472 Metnut said:
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.



What does that say about Sandy if our manager is afraid to use two of our best 5 pitchers in the rotation because the bullpen is so thin? Either way you slice it, it's a shitshow.


This was the year where I ran out of rope for Sandy. I think he's done a terrible job and needs to go.

I gave him a pass last year because of the injuries. I gave him a pass the first few years he was here because he inherited a mess with major payroll constraints.

But the excuse well has dried up. His drafts suck, the farm sucks, the MLB team sucks. The Mets have like 4 total months of being a respectable, winning baseball team in the 8 years Alderson has been here. I'm tired of it.
I'd shake things  
Metnut : 5/18/2018 11:24 am : link
up and just play our best players and young kids with upside. At least put an exciting team on the field. Call up Alonso and Mcneil. Sit Bruce (see if anyone will take his contract but no chance of that). Roll with this lineup (when Ces is back):

Nimmo
Mcneil
Cespedes
Cabrera
Alonso
Conforto
Rosario
Mesoreco

Use a rotation of:

Thor
DeGrom
Gsellmen
Lugo
Matz

Garbage men (only to be used in the LOWEST leverage situations until proven otherwise):

Ramos
Wheeler
Vargas


I mean Sandy is a bad GM plain and simple  
bhill410 : 5/18/2018 11:30 am : link
He wasnt an idiot like Omar but his over arching principals are short sighted and he clearly is a bad judge of baseball talent (evidenced by everything since depo left).

The following are his greatest successes
1 - Noah trade (would be curious how high they were on him at time since darnold was allegedly lynch pin of trade)
2 - trading for Ces (originally wanted gomez so fell into ass backwards)
3 - Drafting Conforto
4 - resigning Ces to a one year deal (was letting him go when market took a massive turn)
5 - not signing Harvey to a long term deal.

Biggest misses
1 - not resigning danny murphy
2 - Justin Turner (smh)
3 - Letting Reyes walk for nothing
4 - Wright extension (though I was a fan he should have been traded and the team rebuilt)
5 - drafting cechini - anyone paying attention knew it was a bad pick the minute he made it.
6 - Minor league development: i.e. almost every other pick he has made outside of Alonso and Conforto
7 - Frankie Francisco contract
8 - De aza (thought that was really going to be a replacement for cespdes???)
9 - Bullpen construction every damn year
10 - Chris Young
11 - Not signing any of this talent to a long term deal like degrom, familia, or thor (yet)
12 - catcher position every damn year
13 - SS for 3 straight years



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PhiPsi125 : 5/18/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13967467 arcarsenal said:
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.


I actually don't think it's as difficult a decision as they make it seem to be. It all starts with the starting pitchers. By the time it gets to Gsellman/Lugo, it's normally out of reach (or out of time) anyway. And what was the point of trading for 800 relief pitchers last year anyway then? So they can rot in the minors? Or do they all suck because Sandy is an awful GM?

There is zero logical reason why Gsellman and Lugo are still in the BP.
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Metnut : 5/18/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13967504 PhiPsi125 said:
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.



I actually don't think it's as difficult a decision as they make it seem to be. It all starts with the starting pitchers. By the time it gets to Gsellman/Lugo, it's normally out of reach (or out of time) anyway. And what was the point of trading for 800 relief pitchers last year anyway then? So they can rot in the minors? Or do they all suck because Sandy is an awful GM?

There is zero logical reason why Gsellman and Lugo are still in the BP.


There's logical reasons, but they stink. Sandy doesn't want to pull Vargas out of the rotation because he'll look bad after handing him $16M. Wheeler has complained about going to the pen so they are rewarding Wheeler for being inflexible, and unlike Harvey, they seem to still be babying Wheeler despite him accomplishing ZERO for this team over the past almost half decade.
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PhiPsi125 : 5/18/2018 12:13 pm : link
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It's a double-edged sword - he wants Lugo and Gsellman in the pen because the starters can't go more than 4 innings, but maybe if those two were starters, we wouldn't be burning out the pen like this 3-4 out of every 5 days.



I actually don't think it's as difficult a decision as they make it seem to be. It all starts with the starting pitchers. By the time it gets to Gsellman/Lugo, it's normally out of reach (or out of time) anyway. And what was the point of trading for 800 relief pitchers last year anyway then? So they can rot in the minors? Or do they all suck because Sandy is an awful GM?

There is zero logical reason why Gsellman and Lugo are still in the BP.



There's logical reasons, but they stink. Sandy doesn't want to pull Vargas out of the rotation because he'll look bad after handing him $16M. Wheeler has complained about going to the pen so they are rewarding Wheeler for being inflexible, and unlike Harvey, they seem to still be babying Wheeler despite him accomplishing ZERO for this team over the past almost half decade.


And this is a great example of why this team continually sucks under Sandy's leadership.

I also find it funny how many of the "rah rah" guys that were around earlier in the season have all but disappeared. They probably think that the bats are still just ice cold.
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arcarsenal : 5/18/2018 12:18 pm : link
deGrom
Thor
Lugo
Gsellman
Matz

That would probably be a pretty good rotation, actually.

Unless they want to just sit idly by and watch this season go right down the dumps, they have to make some changes like this.
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figgy2989 : 5/18/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13967597 arcarsenal said:
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deGrom
Thor
Lugo
Gsellman
Matz

That would probably be a pretty good rotation, actually.

Unless they want to just sit idly by and watch this season go right down the dumps, they have to make some changes like this.


Agreed. No idea what the mindset is to not have Lugo or Gsellman in the rotation. What exactly are they waiting for? Especially considering that no starter can pitch more than 6 innings in each start. But hey, we can throw Gsellman out there every other day and have pitch a couple of innings. How long before we hear he has a "tired arm" or some other injury?
I think they are worried about what happens to the BP  
Eric on Li : 5/18/2018 12:28 pm : link
which is probably a valid concern. And why it was ridiculous to not sign another reliever in the offseason. The Jay Bruce signing really made no sense for this team in the context of the tight budget. He plays the 2 positions where they have cheap depth and literally the ideal player was still available at less than half the cost (Addison Reed).
RE: I think they are worried about what happens to the BP  
figgy2989 : 5/18/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13967617 Eric on Li said:
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which is probably a valid concern. And why it was ridiculous to not sign another reliever in the offseason. The Jay Bruce signing really made no sense for this team in the context of the tight budget. He plays the 2 positions where they have cheap depth and literally the ideal player was still available at less than half the cost (Addison Reed).


But hey, Sandy traded away MLB players for a bunch of minor league bullpen arms last year. Maybe one day they will see that strategy come to fruition.
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arcarsenal : 5/18/2018 12:32 pm : link
We traded for all these relievers, so guys like Rhame are just going to have to stay up here and pitch.

If they have to use guys like Oswalt to fill out the pen, so be it.

Blevins will hopefully pick it back up. Sewald has been pretty good.

We do still have Swarzak... sort of. If he ever gets healthy.

Throw Vargas in the pen as a fucking mop up guy and put Wheeler in there too. Neither one of those guys deserves to be in the rotation.
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