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The Dez Bryant story

CMicks3110 : 5/18/2018 8:08 pm
NFL Network Reporter Jane Slater "believes" (has not been told) that Dez is holding out hope that the Giants will reach out to him to join the Gmen.

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“Right now, it’s a little bit about revenge,” said Slater. “I think he’s holding out to see if New York happens to have a need come training camp, and I have to tell you that selfishly, I’d like to see Dez in this division. Covering the Cowboys as much as I do, because I think that he’d make a matchup that’s already entertaining now that we have Saquon Barkley and Ezekiel Elliott, now adding Dez Bryant, and I think you have a very interesting division.”


The fact is, based on everything that has been churned out, and that Beckham/Bryant have developed a strong relationship, and Bryant's public comments concerning the giants ("Giants...scary) and his desire to stay in the NFC East. I do think Bryant is salivating at the chance of playing for the Gmen.

The Giants also happen to have a need for a starter opposite Beckham. (Can you really rely on Latimer?) and the depth is atrocious.

I was personally in favor of keeping BMarshall on the minimum, but Bryant is a better player at this point in his career.

So what are the chances the giants actually give Dez a flyer. Can you see Gettleman doing this? It's kind of an odd situation. He clearly WANTS to play here. We are lukewarm. He is turning down offers elsewhere, and at this point in the off-season, who are his suitors?

I say, why the hell not?
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Nope  
BlueHurricane : 5/18/2018 8:10 pm : link
Pass
Don’t see it  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2018 8:11 pm : link
we’d have to have an injury to bring in a personality like his. Being friends with Beckham is pretty irrelevant, it’s about risk/reward and I’m guessing the Giants don’t think he’s worth it.

Same skill different name and I’d be on board for a 1 year deal.
dez  
CMicks3110 : 5/18/2018 8:15 pm : link
is super emotional, but he cares about football. Unlike players like Apple and Flowers who have displayed nothing but poutiness. Not every player has to fit our culture mode completely, we just can't have too many of them. He's not Terrel Owens, he's just an uber passionate player that can be a head case, but he cares a lot about football and if he wants to kill the cowboys, what Giant fan wouldn't sign up for a player that wants to stick it to Jerry.
The whole theme with DG is to  
AnishPatel : 5/18/2018 8:19 pm : link
create a new locker culture. I doubt we would ever sign Dez, unless we lose people and are in a situation we need to bite the bullet and bring him in. Otherwise, he does not fit what DG wants.
Do I think Gettleman will sign him? No, I don't  
Jay on the Island : 5/18/2018 8:24 pm : link
Now if Dez is willing to wait to sign after week one when his contract will not be guaranteed then it makes a lot of sense IMO. I would gladly welcome him if there is little to no guaranteed money on a 1 year deal.
RE: dez  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13967982 CMicks3110 said:
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is super emotional, but he cares about football. Unlike players like Apple and Flowers who have displayed nothing but poutiness. Not every player has to fit our culture mode completely, we just can't have too many of them. He's not Terrel Owens, he's just an uber passionate player that can be a head case, but he cares a lot about football and if he wants to kill the cowboys, what Giant fan wouldn't sign up for a player that wants to stick it to Jerry.


Dez pouts, all the time. He’s was just more talented than Flower and Apple at the same point in his career so they dealt with it. How does Dez care and our guys don’t?
Not much downside  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2018 8:40 pm : link
to a properly structured deal and worst case if it's a one year deal is Dez proves he's still got some ability and value and he leaves after the season and signs a decent contract elsewhere netting a comp pick or offsetting a signing the Giants make.

Giants were 3 - 13 last year, people expecting a contender are way too optimistic.

Dez helps not hurts that optimism IMO.
Think of the players  
TrueBlue56 : 5/18/2018 8:41 pm : link
Gettleman has brought in and listen to those players talk...solder, ogletree, Stewart, martin, gay, Barkley and Hernandez. All of these players display character and leadership and will help in changing the culture and accountability in the locker room.

I am tired of hearing about dez. The cowboys released him. Think about that for a minute....the COWBOYS released him. They did not ask him to take a pay cut, they just simply released him.

He is not a good locker room guy and he is not a team player imo. I have seen him quit on plays, give half hearted attempts on routes and throw a fit when he isn't getting the ball.

Personally, I think shurmur is excited to work with what he has in Beckham, Shepard, Engram and Barkley. The release of Marshall allows younger talent to develop in the offense. Latimer, Rudolph and Lewis will compete and have an opportunity to contribute to the offense.

If we were to add a veteran, I would much rather someone like Eric Decker over dez every time. I just don't get the dez stuff at all. He is a name and that's all he is
The object it to get better...  
bw in dc : 5/18/2018 8:42 pm : link
on the field and off.

I fail to see how Dez contributes to either of those.
What’s the point of having 53  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2018 9:20 pm : link
Leaders if they have nobody to lead? The whole locker room stuff is comical to me. Sign him.
Bring him  
XBRONX : 5/18/2018 9:22 pm : link
and have him run patterns against Jenkins. See how he looks.
I would sign him to a deal similar to the Brandon Marshall signed.  
Jerry "Championship" Reese : 5/18/2018 9:23 pm : link
He could be a serviceable WR2, I think we need to really maximize Eli's window for winning. I believe we could actually contend in the next couple years. Let's see Eli retire as a Superbowl champ like Elway did!
It all comes down to  
Mark from Jersey : 5/18/2018 9:26 pm : link
his attitude. Why doesn't anyone wanting Dez on this team get that? He is a poor fit from that perspective alone...forget that he cannot get separation on anyone anymore...his attitude alone makes this an emphatic no.
RE: The object it to get better...  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13968006 bw in dc said:
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on the field and off.

I fail to see how Dez contributes to either of those.


who has an objective to get better off the field? I sure don't. As long as these guys aren't suspended or injured I don't care one bit what they do off the field.
RE: What’s the point of having 53  
bw in dc : 5/18/2018 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13968048 ZGiants98 said:
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Leaders if they have nobody to lead? The whole locker room stuff is comical to me. Sign him.


Really? Go watch the "All or Nothing - Dallas Cowboys" show on Amazon Prime.

Then let us know what you think of Dez...
Bryant is a shadow of what he used to be.  
Ira : 5/18/2018 9:49 pm : link
The cap space would be better used on a defensive back, a right tackle or maybe Eric Decker.
RE: RE: What’s the point of having 53  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13968059 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13968048 ZGiants98 said:


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Leaders if they have nobody to lead? The whole locker room stuff is comical to me. Sign him.



Really? Go watch the "All or Nothing - Dallas Cowboys" show on Amazon Prime.

Then let us know what you think of Dez...


I could care less. He's had bad blood with teammates there for years. He isnt going to wreck our precious locker room in one year on a minimal prove it deal. Wake me when players actually stopped playing on the field because of him. Did Sean Lee say "Fuck it I cant play anymore because Dez is on my team?". So who gives a shit if players dont like each other?? Most of the Giants are already best friends with Dez anyway.

On a one year prove it deal there is ZERO downside. Zero. None. Nata. Literally, the second he acts up you could cut him and lose nothing. Also, our WR situation sucks... so there's that.

RE: RE: RE: What’s the point of having 53  
TrueBlue56 : 5/18/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13968089 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13968048 ZGiants98 said:


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Leaders if they have nobody to lead? The whole locker room stuff is comical to me. Sign him.



Really? Go watch the "All or Nothing - Dallas Cowboys" show on Amazon Prime.

Then let us know what you think of Dez...



I could care less. He's had bad blood with teammates there for years. He isnt going to wreck our precious locker room in one year on a minimal prove it deal. Wake me when players actually stopped playing on the field because of him. Did Sean Lee say "Fuck it I cant play anymore because Dez is on my team?". So who gives a shit if players dont like each other?? Most of the Giants are already best friends with Dez anyway.

On a one year prove it deal there is ZERO downside. Zero. None. Nata. Literally, the second he acts up you could cut him and lose nothing. Also, our WR situation sucks... so there's that.


Yup, our WR's suck...beckham sucks, Shepard sucks and engram...yup sucks

Hey, I know let's cut Beckham, Shepard and Engram and we can bring in dez and I heard Terrell Owens wants to come back, so we can bring him in too and just for good measure maybe we can make a call to chad Johnson. Yeah, we would really light it up with those guys

RE: RE: RE: What’s the point of having 53  
bw in dc : 5/18/2018 10:35 pm : link
In comment 13968089 ZGiants98 said:
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On a one year prove it deal there is ZERO downside. Zero. None. Nata. Literally, the second he acts up you could cut him and lose nothing. Also, our WR situation sucks... so there's that.


It’s obvious, and strange, that we have a such a different definition of the word sucks.

So if you think our receivers suck, but Dez doesn’t, then we really have nothing to talk about.
Would have happened by now  
BigBlue4You09 : 5/18/2018 10:44 pm : link
Not happening
Lol. What?  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2018 11:02 pm : link
What does our starting tight end and slot receiver have to do with our receiving core? We have Cody Lattimer slated to START ON OPENING DAY. There's also zero depth behind him.

And let me guess... Odell and Shepard are going to be perfectly healthy all year making it perfectly acceptable to start a jabroni out there with them. Nobody will ever get hurt ever. Riiiiiight......
RE: RE: RE: RE: What’s the point of having 53  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13968101 bw in dc said:
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On a one year prove it deal there is ZERO downside. Zero. None. Nata. Literally, the second he acts up you could cut him and lose nothing. Also, our WR situation sucks... so there's that.




It’s obvious, and strange, that we have a such a different definition of the word sucks.

So if you think our receivers suck, but Dez doesn’t, then we really have nothing to talk about.


I think Dez 5 years from now is still better than Lattimer. So yes.
I'm guessing the most socially out-of-touch guy  
CT Charlie : 5/18/2018 11:27 pm : link
in the Giants locker room has a better idea than any BBIer about Dez's real character and reputation among his teammates. Trust Shurmur and DG to know whether he's still a player or just a has-been.
RE: I'm guessing the most socially out-of-touch guy  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13968140 CT Charlie said:
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in the Giants locker room has a better idea than any BBIer about Dez's real character and reputation among his teammates. Trust Shurmur and DG to know whether he's still a player or just a has-been.


Good. So if they sign him then you will know.
RE: Lol. What?  
TrueBlue56 : 5/18/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13968126 ZGiants98 said:
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What does our starting tight end and slot receiver have to do with our receiving core? We have Cody Lattimer slated to START ON OPENING DAY. There's also zero depth behind him.

And let me guess... Odell and Shepard are going to be perfectly healthy all year making it perfectly acceptable to start a jabroni out there with them. Nobody will ever get hurt ever. Riiiiiight......


You are right, i have no idea what a pass catching tight end and a slot wr would have to do with our receiving core..i mean it's not like they catch the ball or anything. I Don't Know what I was thinking. Engram only caught 64 passes last year and Shepard averaged 62 receptions in the past 2 years....my bad

And you bring up health and then talk about dez...come on, do you seriously want me to go into his injury history

That came off weird.  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2018 11:30 pm : link
Meant to say agreed.
RE: RE: Lol. What?  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2018 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13968142 TrueBlue56 said:
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What does our starting tight end and slot receiver have to do with our receiving core? We have Cody Lattimer slated to START ON OPENING DAY. There's also zero depth behind him.

And let me guess... Odell and Shepard are going to be perfectly healthy all year making it perfectly acceptable to start a jabroni out there with them. Nobody will ever get hurt ever. Riiiiiight......



You are right, i have no idea what a pass catching tight end and a slot wr would have to do with our receiving core..i mean it's not like they catch the ball or anything. I Don't Know what I was thinking. Engram only caught 64 passes last year and Shepard averaged 62 receptions in the past 2 years....my bad

And you bring up health and then talk about dez...come on, do you seriously want me to go into his injury history


Wow. So because in the game of football tight ends, running backs, and slot guys all can catch footballs you should completely ignore other starting positions? We should run with 10 guys on the field as opposed to 11??

Why would it be an either/or in regards to Odell and Shepard's injuries too? If we have horrid depth and the top guys are injury prone what does Dez's injury history have to do with anything?? You are either adding him this late in the offseason or doing nothing. So your depth either becomes Dez and somebody like Lattimer behind him or just Lattimer and crap. His injury history means nothing.
Bring him in!!!....  
Ed A. : 5/19/2018 12:07 am : link
He is super motivated and we need a receiver of quality opposite Odell. Come on DG, BRING HIM IN!!!
I would also...  
Ed A. : 5/19/2018 12:09 am : link
like to see him bring back Cromartie.
RE: I would also...  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2018 12:25 am : link
In comment 13968147 Ed A. said:
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like to see him bring back Cromartie.


Same. We are on major thin ice at WR and CB. If we can get two solid vets this late in the offseason for peanuts Im all for it. If their attitudes are really so so toxic you cut them and lose nothing.
Would take a shot with him.  
TMS : 5/19/2018 12:37 am : link
Big strong guy with great hands who could be a very good possession receiver. His ability to get separation is clearly compromised but this guy will fight for the ball with any DB or LB in the league. Almost like another receiving TE. Let Shurmur figure out how to use him,
Let's hope so  
montanagiant : 5/19/2018 2:31 am : link
We would be extremely formidable on Offense
Adding Dez to our roster  
George : 5/19/2018 3:37 am : link
means I have to punch myself in the face every time he does anything, either good or bad, for the team.
The people calling for Dez  
IIT : 5/19/2018 5:48 am : link
Have a vision of his potential that he hasn't hinted at living up to since 2014.

Signing Dez is just signing the memory of a player. It's falling into the Marshall trap again.

I'd rather try to find a player who's ready to make his mark.

Oh yeah- Dez is also a tool.
I doubt they bring him in  
George from PA : 5/19/2018 6:04 am : link
Sure, he will add a big, powerful, red zone target.....let's say, he could beat out Latimor.....he still will be the Giants 5th target....behind OBJ, Barkley, Shepard and Engram....would he accept that without complaining?

I saw last years Prime show of the Cowboys...a hard knocks t type of show.

He was a MAJOR pain when he was not getting targeting.....

I see the upside but fear the downside.
RE: RE: The object it to get better...  
Big Rick in FL : 5/19/2018 6:34 am : link
In comment 13968058 pjcas18 said:
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on the field and off.

I fail to see how Dez contributes to either of those.



who has an objective to get better off the field? I sure don't. As long as these guys aren't suspended or injured I don't care one bit what they do off the field.


The same goes for NFL teams. They don't give a fuck about what they do off the field as long as they aren't getting arrested. Shit we had a fucking Kicker getting arrested for domestic violence and we swept it under the rug.
RE: The people calling for Dez  
Big Rick in FL : 5/19/2018 6:44 am : link
In comment 13968160 IIT said:
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Have a vision of his potential that he hasn't hinted at living up to since 2014.

Signing Dez is just signing the memory of a player. It's falling into the Marshall trap again.

I'd rather try to find a player who's ready to make his mark.

Oh yeah- Dez is also a tool.


No the people calling for Dez want him because he'd be a huge upgrade over Roger Lewis & Cody Latimer. The guy had 1634 yards and 14 TDs over the last two years. He certainly isn't the player he once was, but he was also going against #1 CBs. He would never see a CB1 with us.

It's not like it's just Dez who had his numbers drop either. Witten's numbers fell off once Dak got there. Witten had the 2 worst years of his career since his rookie season. Terrance Williams had the 2 worst years of his career also. Hell Cole Beasley had his worse year since his rookie year. The receiving corp is going to look bad when you're QB is averaging 200 yards passing a game. Eli had nobody at WR. No OL and no run game. Yet his numbers were almost identical to Dak's numbers.
When a guy with the talent of Dez  
Big Rick in FL : 5/19/2018 6:45 am : link
Is turning down 20+ million dollar 3 year deals, because he wants to play for your team you take the chance on him. Especially if the rumors are true that he's willing to play in the NFC East for a lot less then what Baltimore offered him.
Can someone clarify  
bhill410 : 5/19/2018 6:53 am : link
As to whether we even can sign him and still be under the cap? I thought after alll draft picks are signed we will have something like 1-2 milllion available
If some fans still dont understand the importance of  
Brown Recluse : 5/19/2018 7:04 am : link
character after last years implosion, they’ll never get it.
RE: Would take a shot with him.  
Ira : 5/19/2018 7:20 am : link
In comment 13968151 TMS said:
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Big strong guy with great hands who could be a very good possession receiver. His ability to get separation is clearly compromised but this guy will fight for the ball with any DB or LB in the league. Almost like another receiving TE. Let Shurmur figure out how to use him,


He was one of the leaders in drops last season and caught about half of his targets.
Annish  
joeinpa : 5/19/2018 7:37 am : link
And the idea of a better cultural is prob correct as to why Des doesn't get to the Giants
Yes Dez  
XBRONX : 5/19/2018 7:38 am : link
dropped one more pass than Engram
Revenge??  
Jimmy Googs : 5/19/2018 7:54 am : link
from exactly what event would that be from...the cowboys have won nothing since I saw Troy Aikman playing.
I am neutral at this point if they sign him but  
The 12th Man : 5/19/2018 8:00 am : link
Having Odell, Engram, Barkley, and Bryant on the field inside the 5 yard would be a nightmare for defensive coachs. Eli would
Have a field day.
No, no and no.  
mfsd : 5/19/2018 8:22 am : link
If his motivation is revenge against the Cowboys, how is he going to act if he only gets targeting a couple times the first time we play the Cowboys?

Will probably act like a spoiled baby, as usual. Last thing this team needs.
RE: Yes Dez  
TrueBlue56 : 5/19/2018 8:24 am : link
In comment 13968185 XBRONX said:
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dropped one more pass than Engram


Engram was a rookie and was thrust into being a focal point of our offense with all of the injuries to our WR's. Dez Bryant is an 8 year veteran with a history of injuries and bad attitude. Trying to draw any comparison between an 8 year veteran and a rookie is just beyond ridiculous.
He's a risk both on and off  
jcn56 : 5/19/2018 8:59 am : link
the field. One of the two is fine, questionable on both ends with the potential for a divisive locker room presence is not.
RE: RE: RE: The object it to get better...  
bw in dc : 5/19/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 13968164 Big Rick in FL said:
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The same goes for NFL teams. They don't give a fuck about what they do off the field as long as they aren't getting arrested. Shit we had a fucking Kicker getting arrested for domestic violence and we swept it under the rug.


We have a first year coach taking over a team that imploded last year. It was a tsunami of problems that occurred on and off the field.

So the last thing this team needs is distractions, particularly ones that can dominate headlines in a negative way. That’s Dez. He is a walking distraction. He is bitter over his release and the media continues to be obsessed with Dez signing somewhere else (he’s replaced Kaepernick for now in that regard). The guy is a ticking time bomb.

Finally, Eli doesn’t need another psycho to manage at the WR slot. Dealing with Beckham’s lunacy is taxing enough.

And if we want to do the old write down all the pluses and minuses routine on a piece of paper, we can do that quickly, too.

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-s: declining production, unreliable hands, sub par route runner, struggles with press coverage, no longer has any characteristics of a #1 or #2 receiver, disrespectful to coaches, immature, signs of being injury prone, etc.
bw is right. If we sign Dez and he doesn't get the ball enough  
Ira : 5/19/2018 9:58 am : link
or if his production is bad and someone else plays ahead of him, well you can fill in the rest.
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