I know he's extremely talented and a great player but the guy plays in a great offense year in and year out and while he's very productive his career high in touchdowns (10) match OBJ's career low other than last year when he played 4 games. Dude had 3 TDs in 16 games last year. Sure that's an aberration but OBJ playing hurt, starting only 2 games, playing in 4 matched that number, with a complete clusterfuck of an offense. I can't imagine barring Jamarcus Russell throwing him passes, OBJ would EVER have 3 TDs in a 16 game season. It's preposterous. I know Julio gets more yards and is a freak of nature but I feel like the point is to score TDs and when you're 6'3 220 and as talented as he is, it's embarrassing not to score more.
Plus, I think Jones has been frustrated by this situation, too.
So, overrated is probably harsh because the rest of the production is terrific.
Plus, I think Jones has been frustrated by this situation, too.
So, overrated is probably harsh because the rest of the production is terrific.
I remember this Steelers fan I know telling me that OBJ's TDs are overrated because he gets so many targets in the red zone. And Brown doesn't? Also, getting TDs is a skill, no matter how many targets you get. Beckham is excellent in the red zone, especially for a guy his height.
Plus, I think Jones has been frustrated by this situation, too.
So, overrated is probably harsh because the rest of the production is terrific.
13 different players caught a TD for them 2 years ago, that gives you an idea of how much Ryan spreads the ball around. They also had a 1,000 yard rusher. Their whole offense struggled last year, not just Jones.
2016 Falcons Stats - ( New Window )
I'm not trying to break your stones either, I get it, but this one particular discussion point drives me batty from a real semantic stand point.
I'm not trying to break your stones either, I get it, but this one particular discussion point drives me batty from a real semantic stand point.
This is some deep shit. I'm just using it like everyone does, as in is he not as good as consensus?
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Arguments for or against someone being overrated. Where is this ranking kept for us to argue over? His rating is a personal opinion based on watching him play, it's rated exactly where you think it is. Someone else may like him more, some less that doesn't make him over or under or rated, he just is. Even if a meta type rating was applied on like a Rotten Tomatoes type site, your agreement with it as over or under that threshold is again immaterial to his ranking. If 94% of people think he's the 2nd best WR in the NFL and you disagree that doesn't make him "overrated". He's rated, your opinion may vary on the accuracy but his rating is what it is.
I'm not trying to break your stones either, I get it, but this one particular discussion point drives me batty from a real semantic stand point.
This is some deep shit. I'm just using it like everyone does, as in is he not as good as consensus?
I remember this Steelers fan I know telling me that OBJ's TDs are overrated because he gets so many targets in the red zone. And Brown doesn't? Also, getting TDs is a skill, no matter how many targets you get.
Catching the ball is the skill.
Getting TDs is dependent on a number of variables like the ones I mentioned above.
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You’d have to check the drops he’s had in the end zone, end zone targets, play calling, etc. It gets very complicated trying to untangle all of that.
Plus, I think Jones has been frustrated by this situation, too.
So, overrated is probably harsh because the rest of the production is terrific.
13 different players caught a TD for them 2 years ago, that gives you an idea of how much Ryan spreads the ball around. They also had a 1,000 yard rusher. Their whole offense struggled last year, not just Jones. 2016 Falcons Stats - ( New Window )
I mean maybe there's a reason Ryan spreads the ball around for TDs (in the red zone). If you adjust for Julio's games played (he missed 2 games) by prorating his catches and TDs and adding the extra catches and TDs to the passing yards and TDs of Ryan, he caught 24.6% of Matt Ryan's passes in 2016, but caught 17.6% of the TDs. That's a significant drop. And in 2017 Matt Ryan's offense WAS NOT worse than ours and OBJ matched Julio in TDs in 4 games (2 started).
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I remember this Steelers fan I know telling me that OBJ's TDs are overrated because he gets so many targets in the red zone. And Brown doesn't? Also, getting TDs is a skill, no matter how many targets you get.
Catching the ball is the skill.
Getting TDs is dependent on a number of variables like the ones I mentioned above.
Are you going to tell me that catching a 5 yard TD is the same as catching a 5 yard pass at midfield? Because I don't understand what you mean "catching the ball is the skill", like every catch is the same.
Are you going to tell me that catching a 5 yard TD is the same as catching a 5 yard pass at midfield? Because I don't understand what you mean "catching the ball is the skill", like every catch is the same.
You can’t perform the skill - catching the ball - unless the ball is thrown to you. Correct?
So, I’m suggesting Jones’s lack of TDs may be a lack of targets/play calling.
In other words, I’m suggesting his problem is quantity (getting TD opportunities) not quality (catching the ball).
It also really puts into perspective just how good Odell is.
Julio has played in 95 games. He has 43 recieving TDs.
Odell has played in less then half of that. He's played in 47 games. Which is 48 less then Julio. Yet Odell has only 5 less TDs with 38.
What makes Odell's numbers even more insane is the fact that he has very little chances at deep balls because the OL is so bad. He was in an abysmal offensive scheme and he's been basically the only true threat we've had. So teams can just key in on him. No run game to take some of the pressure off of him. An aging injured Victor Cruz, shitty ass Randle, Larry Donnell & Will Tye aren't/weren't scaring defenses.
Meanwhile the Falcons have had one of the best offensive minds in football for a few years (Shanahan) a QB who won MVP. A good OL and a top 5 RB to take pressure off of Julio.
Looking at this makes me wonder how fellow Giants fans don't want to resign Odell. It's just absurd.
Odell is averaging a TD every 0.85 games. Julio is averaging a TD every 0.45 games. Antonio Brown is averaging a TD every 0.51 games. When you look at the offensive scheme, QB play, OL, RB and WRs around them it makes Odell look even better.
But I kind of agree with Cowherd. The value of the super star wide receiver in the NFL compared to just solid guys are overrated.
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He’s a great player. If you want to argue against the noise and FF hot takes and whatever else goes in between Nfl Sundays, fine, but Julio Jones is still one of the best WRs of his era.
Eli didn’t lift the offenses in 2011, 2014 and 2015 and probably even 2016?
Stop.
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Makes everyone around him better ....#10?
Eli didn’t lift the offenses in 2011, 2014 and 2015 and probably even 2016?
Stop.
Eli has won 2 SBs without a single HOFer offensive player helping him.
F*** off Montana, Brady, P. Manning, Warner, Bradshaw, Rapelisburger, Elway, etc.,
There are other players on offense. Is it One's fault his offenses suck every year?
Jones’ lack of scoring, his wear and tear, and age put him down a peg for me.
Did you get smart and delete your thread?