NFT: NBA Draft Talk - Knicks Trade down Scenarios

This pick is way to important for Knicks future and plus we need to show KP that franchise is heading in right direction otherwise he may not resign
In my order of preference

Bomba
Mikhal
Knox
Depending on whose available at 9

If Kanter opts out
I’d love to sign Julius Randle

And of course trade for Kawhi
Mock trade. Frank plus 2019 and 2021 firsts plus Lee for Kawhi

I’m in the Noah corner. I wouldn’t stretch him this year due to the KP injury

I’d only do it for the clips two picks.

Knox looks like a more reliable shooter than Miles but right now has even a more basic handle than Mikhal’s. He has great size and length I can see him being able to play 3/4 in the NBA.

This assumes Porter Jr, Bamba, Ayton, Doncic Bagley are gone. I have no interest in Trae Young or Miles Bridges. Especially Miles, he has bust written all over him to me. Not very interested in Carter either just because I think KP needs to play the 5. One Scenario that may be worth drafting Carter if he is best player available is that he will get 30-35 minutes a night from day 1. He can become a 14-10-2 guy right away, then could be great trade bait down the road. Obviously not the most ideal reason to draft someone.

1. Sexton - besides being an inch or 2 too short he has everything you want for a NBA guard, super athletic, can finish with both hands, can finish through contact, shooting potential is there, will be a good defender, plays harder than anyone else on the court, has the it factor, not afraid of the spotlight. Upside is huge. Hoping him or Porter Jr fall to us. Assuming with Mitchell success he won’t drop he is by far my #1 option right now at the 9th pick assuming the other guys are gone, I don’t care that we have trey Burke, Frank And Mudiay. Mudiay is not getting resigned anyway. And Trey should be 6th man. In this scenario, Hardaway would have to play the 3, which is fine because it will help with the tank next year.

2. Knox - I don’t love him, but upside potential is good and ability to play defense is there.

3. Mikhail Bridges - will be a very solid pro, upside seems a bit limited, but seems like the type of guy who will give you great defense every night and score 12-15 pts a night.

My order for overall for best upside:

1: Ayton
2. Doncic
3. Porter Jr.
4. Bamba
5. Sexton
6. Bagley

If Mikhail and Sexton are both there at 9, I am worried the Knicks will take Bridges for position need.

Will take a euro player

I’d do that trade if the 2019 pick was top 3 protected and 2020 unprotected. Make them pay for moving up 7 spots. Grabbing 31 is nice too.

The Knicks need assets and to “build the talent base” as Perry said. This gives them picks at 16, 31,36 along with a major trade chip moving forward. I’d defintely do that trade.

If the Suns offers offered 3 first round picks plus the top pick in the second round for #9, you say yes before the echo fades on the phone. But the Suns would never offer that.

Draft class? Where would the top 3 guys in that class go if they were in this draft?

Lets not pretend that KP is perfect here. He's been a bit of a drama queen and is coming off an ACL.

sorry got this one confused with this:

If phoenix offered
nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 5:31 pm : link : reply
1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it?

For a player and a top 3 pick. I would want a Jaylen Brown type player and another lottery pick. Too many unknowns with just draft picks. But if you could leave this draft without KP and added Ayton, Sexton and maybe Knox at 16, that would be pretty damn good. Obviously Phoenix would never make that trade because KP is hurt. The other reason why that would be good is because you would have 3 young guys who would be years away from extensions. Making it easier to fit max guys over the next few years.

Probably wouldn’t be there at 16, so you can prob take 16 and 31 and move up a few spots if needed. If KP was healthy you would have to consider a trade like this just based on having all of these guys locked for at least 3 years before you even have to talk extension.

In comment 13968289 Jon in NYC said:

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sorry got this one confused with this: If phoenix offered nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 5:31 pm : link : reply 1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it?

#16 and #31 are VERY unlikely to help the Knicks in a meaningful way. Only the #1 matters.

So: Is the #1 in this year's draft worth KP?

My answer: Only if you think KP will always have injury problems and miss a lot of time every year. (A legitimate opinion.)

That offer only comes if the Suns think KP is a better bet than the #1 pick. If that offer came, I would agree with them.

It would be nice to have the #1, #9, #16 and #31 picks, but in this era of super teams, you'd have to get incredibly lucky to turn those picks into important parts of a championship contender.

return and I am not sure he showed signs of being a franchise changer before the injury.

Just looked at some Doncic videos. Very impressive skills and poise for someone so young, but his athleticism isn’t off the charts and he’s already dominating because of his skills, so you can’t help but wonder what his ultimate ceiling in the NBA is.

In comment 13968432 81_Great_Dane said:

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In comment 13968289 Jon in NYC said: Quote: sorry got this one confused with this: If phoenix offered nygiants16 : 5/18/2018 5:31 pm : link : reply 1,16, 31 for kp, do you do it? #16 and #31 are VERY unlikely to help the Knicks in a meaningful way. Only the #1 matters. So: Is the #1 in this year's draft worth KP? My answer: Only if you think KP will always have injury problems and miss a lot of time every year. (A legitimate opinion.) That offer only comes if the Suns think KP is a better bet than the #1 pick. If that offer came, I would agree with them. It would be nice to have the #1, #9, #16 and #31 picks, but in this era of super teams, you'd have to get incredibly lucky to turn those picks into important parts of a championship contender.

How can you say the picks are useless?

In comment 13968468 Jim in Hoboken said:

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return and I am not sure he showed signs of being a franchise changer before the injury. Just looked at some Doncic videos. Very impressive skills and poise for someone so young, but his athleticism isn’t off the charts and he’s already dominating because of his skills, so you can’t help but wonder what his ultimate ceiling in the NBA is.

Here we go again with the KP conclusions after 2.5 seasons. And KP was kicking ass through the first two months or so then slowed down for a month, quite common for younger players, then had the injury.

Before the injury KP was snowing every bit the potential we all could have dreamed of. He most definitely showed franchise changing ability— more than most predicted he would show within his first 2.5 seasons.

Pray he comes back healthy. He’s got the game.

In comment 13968468 Jim in Hoboken said:

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return and I am not sure he showed signs of being a franchise changer before the injury. Just looked at some Doncic videos. Very impressive skills and poise for someone so young, but his athleticism isn’t off the charts and he’s already dominating because of his skills, so you can’t help but wonder what his ultimate ceiling in the NBA is.

I wouldnt use the word stuck, only reason I trade kp is if I could turn him into multiple assets

Will Donte DiVicenzo be a serious option at 9?
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Knicks send clippers 9 and Mudiay for clippers 12 and 13

Knicks Draft
Kevin Knox SF. All the potential in the world and is 19 years old

Robert Smith 6’10” Center / Power Forward Best athlete in draft and powerful rebounder and defender to play next to KP

Knicks only dropping 3 slots and we all know we can hit a HR at 12-13
I.E. Donovan Mithchell

In comment 13968820 Earl the goat said:

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Knicks send clippers 9 and Mudiay for clippers 12 and 13 Knicks Draft Kevin Knox SF. All the potential in the world and is 19 years old Robert Smith 6’10” Center / Power Forward Best athlete in draft and powerful rebounder and defender to play next to KP Knicks only dropping 3 slots and we all know we can hit a HR at 12-13 I.E. Donovan Mithchell

I know yesterday I said not trading back
But if Kanter opts out and Knicks can rid themselves of Lee and Thomas contracts that opens up a ton of space and gives them a lot of flexibility

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In comment 13968524 giantsfan44ab said:

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Will Donte DiVicenzo be a serious option at 9? Link - ( New Window )

At 0 points.

I will say, I certainly would not hate adding him to the roster. Just tough to justify taking him at no 9.

In comment 13968820 Earl the goat said:

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Knicks send clippers 9 and Mudiay for clippers 12 and 13 Knicks Draft Kevin Knox SF. All the potential in the world and is 19 years old Robert Smith 6’10” Center / Power Forward Best athlete in draft and powerful rebounder and defender to play next to KP Knicks only dropping 3 slots and we all know we can hit a HR at 12-13 I.E. Donovan Mithchell

If the Clippers were foolish enough to take that deal or course you do. But they’re not going to.

In comment 13968913 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13968820 Earl the goat said: Quote: Knicks send clippers 9 and Mudiay for clippers 12 and 13 Knicks Draft Kevin Knox SF. All the potential in the world and is 19 years old Robert Smith 6’10” Center / Power Forward Best athlete in draft and powerful rebounder and defender to play next to KP Knicks only dropping 3 slots and we all know we can hit a HR at 12-13 I.E. Donovan Mithchell If the Clippers were foolish enough to take that deal or course you do. But they’re not going to.

Clippers have a hard cap, they might want to consolidate their cap hits

During his 22 year old season he averaged basically 23 and 7 with 2.5 blocks and shot 39% from 3.....39% from 3 from a guy that is 7’3”. Yeah it sucks that he got hurt and has a history of missing games, but so did Anthony Davis until he filled out and his body matured.

We have not yet seen the best of Porzingis, he’s still developing as a player and I don’t think it’s out of the question to see him develop into a guy that can average 28-8 with 3 blocks and shoot 50% from the field, 40% from 3 and 80% from the line.

If that’s not a “franchise changer” then I don’t know what is.

In comment 13968923 nygiants16 said:

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Clippers have a hard cap, they might want to consolidate their cap hits

How would taking on Mudiay’s contract, who makes more than the two draft picks combined, help them financially? And what does “consolidate their cap hits” even mean?

In comment 13968941 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13968923 nygiants16 said: Quote: Clippers have a hard cap, they might want to consolidate their cap hits How would taking on Mudiay’s contract, who makes more than the two draft picks combined, help them financially? And what does “consolidate their cap hits” even mean?

I didn't see he said mudiay...

12 and 13 combined is around 10 to 11 million in cap hits...

9 is around 7, they save 4 million in cap...

When you have a hard cap you can not go over by even a penny, no minimum contracts

KP before he returns from ACL injury.

do we think about Sexton?

People seem to think he can become another Westbrook, but I don't know - he's athletic but not THAT athletic. He's not much of a shooter or playmaker, and while he has a lot of defensive potential I don't think his defense is anything to write home about at this point.

In comment 13969627 Greg from LI said:

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People seem to think he can become another Westbrook, but I don't know - he's athletic but not THAT athletic. He's not much of a shooter or playmaker, and while he has a lot of defensive potential I don't think his defense is anything to write home about at this point.

Which freshmen guards do have defensive potential to write home about? It's usually freshmen with low usage rates like Zhaire Smith. Don't see many coming out that are polished on both ends of the floor.

I meant ability. It seems like you have to go on potential because there aren't many finished 2-way players at age 18. When debating guys like Young vs Sexton I think it's pretty easy to project who is gonna be the better defender in the NBA.

I'm really hoping for a big athletic wing like Porter or Knox.

then yes, I prefer Sexton to Young. Not sure I'd want either of them, though.

but I definitely think theres a ceiling when looking at guys that can only dribble in a straight line. He is a modern NBA 4 but I think he's going to need to kill it defensively. He is going to be relying on jump shots like Tobias harris or Marcus Morris to get his points.

He'd better be because his scoring game is pretty horrific. He'd have to make enormous improvements just to be an average 2 guard.

In comment 13969644 Greg from LI said:

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He'd better be because his scoring game is pretty horrific. He'd have to make enormous improvements just to be an average 2 guard.

I've never thought he'd be a lead guard. He is above average defensively, I think he just needs to work on spot up shooting and get to 37-38% to become above average. Knicks need a lead ball handler. But drafting by need is how you end up with role players, I want the best player available at 9.

Ringer writer from the combine said the Knicks are enamored with Trae Young. He would be a good fit next to Frank, but there are red flags all over the place.

In comment 13969907 Jon in NYC said:

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Ringer writer from the combine said the Knicks are enamored with Trae Young. He would be a good fit next to Frank, but there are red flags all over the place.

The New York Knicks are targeting Trae Young with the ninth overall pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, according to multiple sources.

Young is considered an ideal fit alongside Frank Ntilikina, who is more of a shooting guard and has limited range.

Young's father recently revealed that New York would be a desirable destination as a big market.

The Knicks interviewed Young on Friday.

KEVIN O'CONNOR/THE RINGER

I feel like Orlando would maybe go after him.

He wants positionless basketball, so I dont think we have to look at frank as if he is a point or a 2, it is more can he become good enough offensively that he is at least a threat...

His defense is already very good, can he improve the jumper and add just a little drive game...

As for trae young he scares the crap out of me, him coming at 6 foot 2 relieved a little bit of that, but his turnovers really scare me and he began to chuck really bad second half of the season...

I am homer so I will root for whoever they draft but young scares me..

Once defenses started keying on him, realizing that he was going to take 20+ shots per game, his shooting percentage nosedived. He obviously has tremendous range....when no one's on him, but what happens when he's facing superior athletes most nights who are in his face all game?

His passing is excellent and too often overlooked, but he's going to be a defensive liability. Scoring is going to make or break him, and I'm not sure he can pull it off.

I really hope by some miracle Porter falls to 9. I really think he will be the best or 2nd best player in this draft. If he played a full year he would be in serious talk to go number 1. I'm guessing he will go 7th or 8th right before the Knicks. Thank goodness they won 5 of the last 13...

I really like Sexton and Mikal Bridges. I'd be happy with either one. Also like Knox but 9 is a little early for him.

How about players at 36? Javon Carter is a player I really like.

In comment 13970393 TyreeHelmet said:

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I really hope by some miracle Porter falls to 9. I really think he will be the best or 2nd best player in this draft. If he played a full year he would be in serious talk to go number 1. I'm guessing he will go 7th or 8th right before the Knicks. Thank goodness they won 5 of the last 13... I really like Sexton and Mikal Bridges. I'd be happy with either one. Also like Knox but 9 is a little early for him. How about players at 36? Javon Carter is a player I really like.

Can you stop with the 5 of the last 13..

You know the Knicks lost the 2nd most games the second half of the season? The only team who lost more? Suns by 1 game...

So please stop with that stupid stat

The Knicks are talking seriously with Lakers assistant Jud Buechler about joining new head coach David Fizdale's staff as an assistant, per ESPN sources. Buechler has coached as an assistant under Luke Walton with the Lakers, where he worked in player development. A 12-year veteran, Buechler won three titles as a Chicago Bull for teams coached by ex-Knicks president Phil Jackson. Memphis assistant Keith Smart is also expected to be a top assistant under Fizdale.

In comment 13972221 DanMetroMan said:

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The Knicks are talking seriously with Lakers assistant Jud Buechler about joining new head coach David Fizdale's staff as an assistant, per ESPN sources. Buechler has coached as an assistant under Luke Walton with the Lakers, where he worked in player development. A 12-year veteran, Buechler won three titles as a Chicago Bull for teams coached by ex-Knicks president Phil Jackson. Memphis assistant Keith Smart is also expected to be a top assistant under Fizdale.

Seems like fizdale is adding guys who specialize in player development

me up for Zhaire Smith at 9
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nuggets may be willing to deal 14 if a team takes faried...

But it does sound like he has major upside

anyway,.

queen???

In comment 13978842 Greg from LI said:

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But it does sound like he has major upside

I know DMM mentioned weeks ago that the Knicks had scouted him late in the season.

In comment 13978863 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 13978842 Greg from LI said: Quote: But it does sound like he has major upside I know DMM mentioned weeks ago that the Knicks had scouted him late in the season.

could be a good defensive.pairing with frank, raw offensively so draftkng him is strictly on potential..

In comment 13978867 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13978863 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13978842 Greg from LI said: Quote: But it does sound like he has major upside I know DMM mentioned weeks ago that the Knicks had scouted him late in the season. could be a good defensive.pairing with frank, raw offensively so draftkng him is strictly on potential..

I mean, he's a better ball handler, passer and finisher than Mikal Bridges, and is 3 years younger. He just finished the year with a .556 FG% and .450 3 pt%. Much smaller sample size, but he also wasn't playing with the best collection of offensive talent in NCAA.

and i have a feeling the knicks like mikal so much because he has such a high floor..

i get the sense this regime is afraid to make a mistake

do we need on this team?

No thanks.

In comment 13978910 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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do we need on this team? No thanks.

lol

Not sure what's more pathetic - giving him $4.5 million per year, or giving him a player option.

In comment 13979860 bceagle05 said:

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Not sure what's more pathetic - giving him $4.5 million per year, or giving him a player option.

I thought he was dead once he was murdered by Anthony Davis earlier this year. Once he is done in the NBA that will be the only play people will remember him by.

Why he got that contract is beyond me.

DraftExpress has quite a few intriguing names in the 30-40 range on its Top 100 board (we have pick #36).

Diallo and Simons are the project picks with big upside, but there are plenty of solid players in that group. I don't get many opportunities to highlight a BC basketball player, but Jerome Robinson can really play.

30) Grayson Allen - SG - Duke
31) Melvin Frazier - SF - Tulane
32) Chandler Hutchison - SG/SF - Boise St
33) Jevon Carter - PG - West Virginia
34) Jalen Brunson - PG - Villanova
35) Moritz Wagner - C - Michigan
36) Hamidou Diallo - SG - Kentucky
37) Anfernee Simons - SG - High School
38) Jerome Robinson - PG - Boston College
39) Gary Trent Jr. - SG - Duke
40) Shake Milton - PG/SG - SMU - 21.6 - 6-6/7-1
41) Justin Jackson - SF/PF - Maryland - 21.2 - 6-7/7-3
42) Chimezie Metu - PF/C - USC - 21.1 - 6-10/7-0½

In comment 13979860 bceagle05 said:

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Not sure what's more pathetic - giving him $4.5 million per year, or giving him a player option.

$30 million combined to useless pieces like Lance, Ron, and Noah....sickening.

If our cap was in better shape we could take Faried off Denver's hands, with the 14th pick attached to him. Oh well. We'll have to put #9 and #36 to good use.

In comment 13979890 bceagle05 said:

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If our cap was in better shape we could take Faried off Denver's hands, with the 14th pick attached to him. Oh well. We'll have to put #9 and #36 to good use.

if kanter opts out knicks will have space to do it...

lance deal is not horrible, it is non guaranteed after next year

therefore, anything more than the minimum for him is a horrible contract.

In comment 13979898 Enzo said:

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therefore, anything more than the minimum for him is a horrible contract.

Watch your mouth! Fizdale already compared him to Draymond Green.

In comment 13979906 bceagle05 said:

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In comment 13979898 Enzo said: Quote: therefore, anything more than the minimum for him is a horrible contract. Watch your mouth! Fizdale already compared him to Draymond Green.

Lance is better tbh.

at the combine he said he was not sure of he would since he qas knly working out for a handful of teams and knicks picked 9th