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NFT: The Preakness Stakes - How the heck does this all work?

allstarjim : 5/19/2018 12:54 pm
So, I have a friend who is going up to our local track to watch and bet on the Preakness, and gave her $20 (I know, big spender). I have no idea what I'm doing with horse racing and she expects me to text her what my bets will be.

I understand Justify is a heavy favorite and Good Magic has a good position out of gate 5 and is a good horse as well.

I know some stuff, like a Trifecta means basically a parlay for getting the horses right in order, first, second, and third. I understand an Exacta is getting the top two horses in order, and I get the Win, Place, and Show.

She was talking about something called "a wheel" with Justify. That I have no idea what she's talking about. Also, can I place a $2 bet on a Trifecta or is it $2 on first, $2 on second, and $2 on third, (essentially a $6 bet) and you only get paid on it if all 3 are correct, right?

And how do I see what I would get paid out if I bet the Trifecta? How are these odds calculated?

I know these are a lot of questions but if you can at least help me out a little I'd be grateful.
Quick summary  
dep026 : 5/19/2018 1:06 pm : link
A wheel bet... is you put one horse on top and the rest of the field behind him. In this race for a $1 wager its a 7 dollar bet.

2. For a triple you can bet it straight for 2 dollars. Or you can box it. $1 box is 6 dollars since there are 6 combinations.
triple odds  
dep026 : 5/19/2018 1:07 pm : link
are based how many tickets there are on the total amount bet on the trifecta - the takeout from the track.

Lets say theres a 1000 dollars left and 10 winners, everyone gets 100 dollars. If there are 5 winners, everyone gets 200 dollars.
Do yourself a favor  
JerseyCityJoe : 5/19/2018 1:24 pm : link
If you are asking these questions just pick a horse out of the blue and enjoy the race. If you hit you will have a story to tell for along time. Betting anything with Justify on top will pay back next to nothing.
dep thanks  
allstarjim : 5/19/2018 1:25 pm : link
This is pretty helpful. Without knowing payout info in advance, it's hard for me to make bets with hedging in mind.
dep  
allstarjim : 5/19/2018 1:25 pm : link
do you have any action on the big race today?
RE: dep  
dep026 : 5/19/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13968366 allstarjim said:
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do you have any action on the big race today?


ill bet either lone sailor or tenfold to place and show. I dont think anyone is beating justify. Dont see a lot of money in this race and not worth wagering too much.
This is an awful betting race  
Earl the goat : 5/19/2018 1:44 pm : link
along with a bad field and mostly losing horses
With the mud stay away from the inside horses

I’m betting Good Magic
Awful betting day...  
TommytheElephant : 5/19/2018 2:37 pm : link
Early and Late Pick 4's at Belmont are interesting.

I am still going 7-5 in the majority of my bets.
So far its very chalky...

8 scratches in a 12 horse field in Race 2 @ Pimlico...  
TommytheElephant : 5/19/2018 2:39 pm : link
that was the sign to go elsewhere today...
Churchill, Belmont, SA, Woodbine...

Bet the muddier.dont overthink this.  
Ivan15 : 5/19/2018 4:22 pm : link
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I am betting simply  
EdS56 : 5/19/2018 4:39 pm : link
5,7,8 with 1,5,7,8 with 1,2,5-8 trifecta

5 or 8 to win or place
That track is waterlogged  
dpinzow : 5/19/2018 5:48 pm : link
We need two of every animal, that’s how much rain has fallen at pimlico
RE: This is an awful betting race  
bw in dc : 5/19/2018 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13968378 Earl the goat said:
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along with a bad field and mostly losing horses
With the mud stay away from the inside horses

I’m betting Good Magic


Agreed. That's the play. His sire, Curlin, was brilliant in the mud. Hoping we see that really kick in today...
I am going with  
dep026 : 5/19/2018 6:22 pm : link
diamond king in a place and show bet. For Justify to lose this would be quite shocking but hey its horse racing.
That was a hell of a race  
MetsAreBack : 5/19/2018 10:42 pm : link
Don't follow this closely but those two horses were battling for A good mile
Very good race...  
bw in dc : 5/19/2018 10:55 pm : link
The fog made it more exciting.

Ortiz, the jockey on Good Magic, blew the race. That horse is not a pace setter; he is a stalker. To battle Justified head to head for most of the race was as dumb as it gets. It was a real testimony to the horse to endure that fight as long as he did to finish 4th by only a length.
thanks to Brad Thomas being on with Francesa  
MookGiants : 5/19/2018 10:57 pm : link
I hit the triple and exacta.

Won almost a grand total. Thomas is the man.
although thomas  
MookGiants : 5/19/2018 11:12 pm : link
didnt say to bet 7,6,8 trifecta box I took that because he liked 6 and 8 as small win wagers and had them in other bets so I put them in a trifecta box with Justify
I feel awful  
allstarjim : 5/20/2018 2:02 am : link
I played two Trifectas. Both with Justify winning, and both with Good Magic in 2nd. One had Ten Fold in 3rd and the other had Bravazo.

I don't need to tell you how close either of those came to happening. Good Magic was right there all the way until the last 100 feet or so. I actually thought I won at first, only to feel crushed.
RE: Very good race...  
dep026 : 5/20/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13968747 bw in dc said:
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The fog made it more exciting.

Ortiz, the jockey on Good Magic, blew the race. That horse is not a pace setter; he is a stalker. To battle Justified head to head for most of the race was as dumb as it gets. It was a real testimony to the horse to endure that fight as long as he did to finish 4th by only a length.


I disagree with this strongly. If Ortiz lets justify go out by himself he gets comofortable and sets the tone of the entire race. By pressuring him for 80% of the race... he got tired and became beatable. Letting a monster o T on the lead by himself means doom for everyone else.
RE: RE: Very good race...  
bw in dc : 5/20/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13969095 dep026 said:
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In comment 13968747 bw in dc said:


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The fog made it more exciting.

Ortiz, the jockey on Good Magic, blew the race. That horse is not a pace setter; he is a stalker. To battle Justified head to head for most of the race was as dumb as it gets. It was a real testimony to the horse to endure that fight as long as he did to finish 4th by only a length.



I disagree with this strongly. If Ortiz lets justify go out by himself he gets comofortable and sets the tone of the entire race. By pressuring him for 80% of the race... he got tired and became beatable. Letting a monster o T on the lead by himself means doom for everyone else.


Well, from today's DRF:

Good Magic dueled with Justify from the start in the Preakness, but he couldn’t outrun him and ultimately finished fourth, beaten one length. Afterward, Jose Ortiz, Good Magic's rider, blamed himself for giving the horse a bad ride.

“I messed up, that wasn’t the plan we drew,” Ortiz said. “I wasn’t supposed to be where I was.”

“I didn’t want the horse on the lead,” trainer Chad Brown said. “I’m disappointed with the trip. Post [position] didn’t help, we were inside the other horse the whole way. Unfortunately, our horse took the worst of it being on the fence, getting pressed the whole way; he’s just not a horse that runs on the lead, so I’m disappointed.”
That doesn’t mean what I said is untrue  
dep026 : 5/20/2018 3:26 pm : link
Quip never went to the lead which was suppose to happen. So he was either going to lay off the best horse or fight for the lead. There was very little passing going on that day and the horse that took the lead early won just about every race.

Brown can be upset all he wants but chance of laying off and coming to beat an untested horse was probably not going to happen.

He was never going to be on the outside of him. I thought he ran a terrific race. Sitting behind him would have been worse IMO.
Plus the first quarter was almost 2 seconds  
dep026 : 5/20/2018 3:28 pm : link
Slower than the derby. It was a very slow one. Horse sometimes does what it trains to do.

Brown is probably more upset on how the race started. Pretty low class on him calling out Ortiz who is one of the best in business.
RE: That doesn’t mean what I said is untrue  
bw in dc : 5/20/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13969116 dep026 said:
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Quip never went to the lead which was suppose to happen. So he was either going to lay off the best horse or fight for the lead. There was very little passing going on that day and the horse that took the lead early won just about every race.

Brown can be upset all he wants but chance of laying off and coming to beat an untested horse was probably not going to happen.

He was never going to be on the outside of him. I thought he ran a terrific race. Sitting behind him would have been worse IMO.


GM played Justify's game and lost. Battling for the lead is not GM's style - that's the point. Just look back at his PPs. You'd rather get beat doing what you do best versus taking to new tactis in a G1 as significant as the Preakness.

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