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Latimer a Great Signing

Giants2018 : 5/19/2018 1:33 pm
Worked with Tolbert in Denver, I'm sure that had a lot to due with him ending up in NY. For just under $1M, they got their 3'rd or 4'th WR and a special teams standout.
A poor man's Dwayne Harris. He started 3 games in 4 years?  
Marty in Albany : 5/19/2018 1:48 pm : link
Sounds like a kick returner and very little more.
$2.5MM < $1MM ???  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/19/2018 1:48 pm : link
Interesting math there.
As a WR, he certainly hasn't lived up to his billing...  
Klaatu : 5/19/2018 1:54 pm : link
Or his draft status. As a special-teamer, he's been pretty good.
The Tolbert connection  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/19/2018 1:55 pm : link
Is very interesting indeed.
Maybe our next Devin Thomas  
DennyInDenville : 5/19/2018 1:55 pm : link
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Is it true that he is preventing us from  
robbieballs2003 : 5/19/2018 2:01 pm : link
getting a 4th round compensatory pick?
He really hasn't done anything.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/19/2018 2:18 pm : link
I don't see the point of lauding the signing.
Latimer  
Giants2018 : 5/19/2018 2:24 pm : link
His salary for 2018 is $975K, that's what I was referring to.
Hard to break into a lineup of Thomas and Sanders. He's got good work ethic, character. I really think this signing will payoff, there's a reason he was a second round pick.
Ten Ton  
XBRONX : 5/19/2018 2:24 pm : link
in his fifth year the light is going to come on. LOL
Latimer  
Giants2018 : 5/19/2018 2:26 pm : link
And the fact that the WR's coach brought him over from Denver has to tell you something..
Last year this time  
David B. : 5/19/2018 2:26 pm : link
Brandon Marshall looked like a "Great Signing."

I know it's a different situation, but no one knows if it's a great signing yet.
Latimer  
Giants2018 : 5/19/2018 2:42 pm : link
Marshall was a lot older and got a lot more $$.. Didn't really like that signing even before he played bad and then got injured..
I don’t know that that’s accurate  
Beezer : 5/19/2018 2:44 pm : link
regarding Marshall. I think many thought it was low risk high reward. Others, or maybe them too, thought it was terrific. Others were pretty skeptical. I was cautiously optimistic. Interesting track record so who the hell knew what to expect? I hated to be right.

I think Latimer is a completely different deal.
May be a completely different deal  
David B. : 5/19/2018 2:54 pm : link
But you still don't know how it will work out.
RE: Ten Ton  
Jay in Toronto : 5/19/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13968398 XBRONX said:
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in his fifth year the light is going to come on. LOL


It almost took Amani that long. He certainly got more playing time.
RE: May be a completely different deal  
Beezer : 5/19/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13968416 David B. said:
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But you still don't know how it will work out.


Of course not. But Latimer is terrific on specials, he’s a big target, very good blocker, he’s 25, high-character, work-ethic guy. And the price is very reasonable.

I think that combo gives reason for at least a little optimism.
RE: I don’t know that that’s accurate  
adamg : 5/19/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13968412 Beezer said:
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regarding Marshall. I think many thought it was low risk high reward. Others, or maybe them too, thought it was terrific. Others were pretty skeptical. I was cautiously optimistic. Interesting track record so who the hell knew what to expect? I hated to be right.

I think Latimer is a completely different deal.


How were you right?

Cautious optimism didn't pan out...
Couldn't stand the Marshal signing  
idiotsavant : 5/19/2018 3:23 pm : link
Oosh.
RE: RE: May be a completely different deal  
Ira : 5/19/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13968421 Beezer said:
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In comment 13968416 David B. said:


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But you still don't know how it will work out.



Of course not. But Latimer is terrific on specials, he’s a big target, very good blocker, he’s 25, high-character, work-ethic guy. And the price is very reasonable.

I think that combo gives reason for at least a little optimism.


Considering what we paid, considering the Giants may use two tight ends or play Engram as a wideout, and considering that he helps on special teams, I agree. Latimer was a good signing.
I missed what he did that makes him a great signing  
TD : 5/19/2018 3:45 pm : link
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RE: Latimer  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/19/2018 4:00 pm : link
Giants2018 said:
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His salary for 2018 is $975K, that's what I was referring to.
It’s a one-year deal for $2.5MM, 99% of which is guaranteed. Since you’re the expert on Cody Latimer’s value, please explain why we should ignore his $1.5MM signing bonus in calculating his “cost” to the Giants.
RE: I missed what he did that makes him a great signing  
BluesCruise : 5/19/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13968440 TD said:
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Is it as great as the Brandon Marshall signing last season?
I don't think it was a great signing...  
Klaatu : 5/19/2018 4:37 pm : link
But I don't think it was a bad signing, either. It was relatively cheap for a guy who could turn out to be a huge asset on special teams as both a returner and a gunner. So let's all take a deep breath and see how things unfold.

Oh, and don't forget...WHAT THE HELL IS TYREE DOING IN THERE?

Stranger things have happened.
RE: I don't think it was a great signing...  
John In CO : 5/19/2018 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13968474 Klaatu said:
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But I don't think it was a bad signing, either. It was relatively cheap for a guy who could turn out to be a huge asset on special teams as both a returner and a gunner. So let's all take a deep breath and see how things unfold.

Oh, and don't forget...WHAT THE HELL IS TYREE DOING IN THERE?

Stranger things have happened.


Living in the Denver area, ive seen him play a lot over the past few years. His first few years he just did not connect with Peyton for whatever reason. However, despite the Broncos QB/OL issues (played 3 qb's and had a Giants level Oline) he actually managed to come on a little last year. He is still fairly young and I really believe his best football is ahead of him.
RE: Ten Ton  
Big Rick in FL : 5/19/2018 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13968398 XBRONX said:
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in his fifth year the light is going to come on. LOL


Can't really blame it on him. He's QB situation has been brutal. He was a rookie the only year he had a good QB as a pro.

His 2nd year he had Peyton (Who was horrible) and Osweiler.

His 3rd year he had Trevor Siemian & Paxton Lynch who were equally bad.

His 4th year he had Siemian, Lynch & Osweiler who were even worse then they were in 2016.

Demaryius Thomas & Emmanuel Sanders are Pro Bowl WRs and there numbers got worse and worse from 2014 to 2017.

Also he was behind two All-Pro/Pro Bowl type WRs. So his snap counts have been very low for his entire career. Last year was the first time he played over 20% of the snaps and his numbers went way up.

Can't really judge Latimer off of his time in Denver. He had terrible offensive coaching. Here are there offensive rankings.

2015 - 20th
2016 - 22nd
2017 - 27th

He was behind 2 Pro Bowlers. He had some of the worst QB play in the NFL. Yet still averaged 15.1 YPC in 2017. Even with the horrible coaching, lack of opportunities and even worse QB play he was PFF 43rd ranked WR in the NFL. Which puts him middle of the pack for 2nd WRs.

I'd expect a huge jump in production from him under Shurmur. He should also really help out in the run game. He's one of the best blocking WRs in the NFL.

You should probably stop judging guys based solely on the stat sheet. Denver was just a horrible landing spot for a young WR.

It would not surprise me at all if Latimer had around 600-700 yards with 5-6 TDs.
Latimer may indeed surprise  
SGMen : 5/19/2018 8:09 pm : link
He has enough experience to win the 2nd WR job and possibly be a 65-800-5 td type. That would be awesome!
RE: RE: Ten Ton  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/19/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13968574 Big Rick in FL said:
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Also he was behind two All-Pro/Pro Bowl type WRs. So his snap counts have been very low for his entire career. Last year was the first time he played over 20% of the snaps and his numbers went way up.


He wasn't behind two all pro receivers last year, and that increased playing time resulted in being 7th on the team with 19 reception in 11 games. Three runningbacks and a fullback got more targets.

It's one thing to say "don't judge a guy only on his stats", but there's just nothing to go by here. He doesn't have the production, and he doesn't have the playing time. There are only so many conclusions you can draw on a player who's career best season is 19 catches for 287 yards.
people are being completely delusional  
bluepepper : 5/19/2018 9:51 pm : link
about this guy. Nothing's for certain but you can be pretty sure that a second round WR who has 35 catches in 4 years just isn't any good at playing WR.

As far as being stuck behind other guys and having lousy QB's here's a comparison for you - Bennie Fowler. UDFA same year as Latimer. 56 catches in 3 years after a redshirt rookie year. That's 60% more catches in one less season. Same team. Same QB's. And we all know second round picks will get more chances than UDFA all things being equal.

I'd love to believe he'll have a miraculous turn-around but my expectations for him are good ST player and 5th WR. Anything more is gravy.

Unless Engram shifts over to WR ...  
Manny in CA : 5/20/2018 12:41 am : link

I don't think there's a legitimate answer in camp.
There have been so many of these ‘prove-it’ deals...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/20/2018 7:04 am : link
... and few of them end up proving anything. Martellus Bennett and Kawika Mitchell got what they needed from a one-year stop in New York. Robert Ayers qualifies as a successful reclamation project, and Jon Beason showed enough in year one for Reese to double down on him. More often, the player just cashes a final paycheck (LaVar Arrington, Keith Bulluck, Shawn Andrews, Dan Connor) or quickly confirms that he was over-drafted (Aaron Curry, D.J. Fluker, Kelvin Sheppard).

The model for Latimer is Dominik Hixon; but he was in his second year when the Giants picked him up after the Kevin Everett trauma.
For what we actually need, which is not a #1 WR  
Bob in Newburgh : 5/20/2018 11:54 am : link
He was a great signing with very little risk.

Will do all the important complementary things, and has big play (based on size, speed, vertical, hands, rac) breakout potential besides.
A little early for this - the jury is still out on Lattimer  
PatersonPlank : 5/20/2018 1:13 pm : link
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I feel the same way we have plenty of weapons right now  
Bluesbreaker : 5/20/2018 8:04 pm : link
For what we actually need, which is not a #1 WR
Bob in Newburgh : 11:54 am : link : reply
He was a great signing with very little risk.

He gives us some size and they will have there hand full with OBJ Shepard Engram . Sounds like a good special teams player whats not to like ?
Latiimef is a complete unknown  
RetroJint : 5/20/2018 10:32 pm : link
& nobody knows what impact he will have. As always , Gettleman is in the honeymoon stage of his tenure . That will change whenever there is a miscue, like signing a guy who turns out to be a flat tire . That will happen. It always does . What can be said is that the guy in question has a solid, athletic skill set. To this point he has under-achieved . Let’s hope he hits his stride as a Giant .
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