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Ira : 5/20/2018 8:41 am
I've heard that pour over coffee is becoming more and more popular. I have a friend who is a cook who swears by it. I was wondering if anyone on bbi has tried it and, if you have, whether you like it. I added a link below that describes it in detail for those who might be curious.
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I have an automated electric pour over device.  
DonQuixote : 5/20/2018 8:51 am : link
It’s called a coffee maker!
Starbucks will do a pour over  
Beer Man : 5/20/2018 8:52 am : link
if you order a variety that is not already brewed and waiting. Its really no different than using your dip percolator at home. The major difference is that you are making a cup at a time, so it hasn't been sitting in a pot for a while where due to evaporation the taste can get stronger.
They are awesome  
UConn4523 : 5/20/2018 8:53 am : link
but I wouldn’t want to use it as an everyday method. Too time consuming and these days my mornings barely have time to fill up a pot with water and flip the on switch.

It does taste great though, if you have the time then go for it.
Ooops ...  
Beer Man : 5/20/2018 8:53 am : link
"dip" = "drip" (better get my coffee in me this morning)
Also, IMHO  
Beer Man : 5/20/2018 9:04 am : link
a French Press makes the best tasting cup of coffee
It's the best way to make a cup  
armstead98 : 5/20/2018 9:07 am : link
More time consuming if than a standard machine I'd you have to make a few but for one cup it tastes the best. Also fun to play with the techniques.
I Iove how our society  
Tuckrule : 5/20/2018 9:25 am : link
Has become obsessed with the purest best coffee it’s insane to a degree. We have all been trained to paying 3.50 for an 8oz cup of joe. It’s just insane that nobody thinks twice about it
I’ll use this post as an opportunity to plug my cousins new device  
tbonfig : 5/20/2018 9:51 am : link
He recently had a successful kickstarter campaign and is working through ordering parts and getting ready to launch.

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Mugsy is the world's first hackable, customizable, dead simple, robotic coffee maker. Every aspect of your brew can be controlled, from grind size and water temperature to pour over pattern and bloom time. If you prefer simplicity, Mugsy will get out of the way. Just send it a text, a tweet or hit that Coffee Now button and your cup will be ready in the time it takes to get to the kitchen.




Hey Mugsy website - ( New Window )
RE: I Iove how our society  
UConn4523 : 5/20/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13968841 Tuckrule said:
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Has become obsessed with the purest best coffee it’s insane to a degree. We have all been trained to paying 3.50 for an 8oz cup of joe. It’s just insane that nobody thinks twice about it


Can’t you say that with anything and isn’t it highly subjective? 2 things I’ll pay a premium for are coffee and beer. I’ll pay $4 for a great cup of coffee or $15 for a 6 pack of something great. But, I also think paying $20+ for a bottle of wine is stupid, mostly because I don’t notice much of a difference.

The better question is why do people pay $4 for a cup of shit, which is Starbucks. They have a low quality bean that never tastes good. I’d pay more elsewhere, they are a sham from a coffee perspective.
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jcn56 : 5/20/2018 10:25 am : link
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Has become obsessed with the purest best coffee it’s insane to a degree. We have all been trained to paying 3.50 for an 8oz cup of joe. It’s just insane that nobody thinks twice about it



Can’t you say that with anything and isn’t it highly subjective? 2 things I’ll pay a premium for are coffee and beer. I’ll pay $4 for a great cup of coffee or $15 for a 6 pack of something great. But, I also think paying $20+ for a bottle of wine is stupid, mostly because I don’t notice much of a difference.

The better question is why do people pay $4 for a cup of shit, which is Starbucks. They have a low quality bean that never tastes good. I’d pay more elsewhere, they are a sham from a coffee perspective.


That's funny - not that I disagree on Starbucks, I'm not a fan - but going on a tirade about how taste is subjective and then claiming nobody should like Starbucks because it's shit is hilarity at it's finest.
RE: I Iove how our society  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13968841 Tuckrule said:
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Has become obsessed with the purest best coffee it’s insane to a degree. We have all been trained to paying 3.50 for an 8oz cup of joe. It’s just insane that nobody thinks twice about it

I don’t drink Starbucks often, but you’re way off base. An 8 oz. cup of coffee at Starbucks is about $1.50.
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UConn4523 : 5/20/2018 10:38 am : link
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Has become obsessed with the purest best coffee it’s insane to a degree. We have all been trained to paying 3.50 for an 8oz cup of joe. It’s just insane that nobody thinks twice about it



Can’t you say that with anything and isn’t it highly subjective? 2 things I’ll pay a premium for are coffee and beer. I’ll pay $4 for a great cup of coffee or $15 for a 6 pack of something great. But, I also think paying $20+ for a bottle of wine is stupid, mostly because I don’t notice much of a difference.

The better question is why do people pay $4 for a cup of shit, which is Starbucks. They have a low quality bean that never tastes good. I’d pay more elsewhere, they are a sham from a coffee perspective.



That's funny - not that I disagree on Starbucks, I'm not a fan - but going on a tirade about how taste is subjective and then claiming nobody should like Starbucks because it's shit is hilarity at it's finest.


That’s my entire point and why I concluded with my opinion that Starbucks sucks. Tongue in check, but also somewhat factual. Even if you like the taste it’s pretty widely known that they use shitty, low quality beans.
I made coffee that way for a few years  
chiro56 : 5/20/2018 11:00 am : link
I will agree , flavor wise it was the best. The draw backs, took more time, by the time it was completed it was not able to retain the heat. I have come to prefer the French press.
On the subject of coffee  
uther99 : 5/20/2018 12:00 pm : link
Why is Dunkin Donuts coffee so revered? I find it tasteless
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UConn4523 : 5/20/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13968959 uther99 said:
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Why is Dunkin Donuts coffee so revered? I find it tasteless


Along with Starbucks the D&D beans absolutely suck. It wasn’t always like that, their coffee used to be pretty good but im guessing the switched their beans which now taste like shit. It’s also very watered down now.
This is a joke, right?  
Bill in UT : 5/20/2018 12:32 pm : link
I don't see any difference between this and any other coffee maker other than how the water is introduced. Truly a First World problem.
RE: This is a joke, right?  
StingerProf : 5/20/2018 12:34 pm : link
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I don't see any difference between this and any other coffee maker other than how the water is introduced. Truly a First World problem.


Thinking the same thing. You guys act as though you go to a buddies and refuse their coffee if it’s not pressed and grinded with some exact pressure. Just gulp the fucking shit down, take the energy boost, and find more important minuscule things to bitch about.
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Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 12:39 pm : link
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I don't see any difference between this and any other coffee maker other than how the water is introduced. Truly a First World problem.



Thinking the same thing. You guys act as though you go to a buddies and refuse their coffee if it’s not pressed and grinded with some exact pressure. Just gulp the fucking shit down, take the energy boost, and find more important minuscule things to bitch about.

Cool. By the same token I assume you buy the cheapest steak possible, microwave it, and swallow it down. Cause, hey — it’s just energy.
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StingerProf : 5/20/2018 12:47 pm : link
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I don't see any difference between this and any other coffee maker other than how the water is introduced. Truly a First World problem.



Thinking the same thing. You guys act as though you go to a buddies and refuse their coffee if it’s not pressed and grinded with some exact pressure. Just gulp the fucking shit down, take the energy boost, and find more important minuscule things to bitch about.


Cool. By the same token I assume you buy the cheapest steak possible, microwave it, and swallow it down. Cause, hey — it’s just energy.


That’s correct. I eat to nourish my body. I do prefer the steak on the stovetop though if I have the time.
Ha, this is h wI make my coffee when my automatic coffee maker  
PatersonPlank : 5/20/2018 1:08 pm : link
breaks. Now I guess its "trendy". I also hate starbucks, what a waste of money. I prefer 7-11 for 89 cents.
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Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 1:26 pm : link
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I don't see any difference between this and any other coffee maker other than how the water is introduced. Truly a First World problem.



Thinking the same thing. You guys act as though you go to a buddies and refuse their coffee if it’s not pressed and grinded with some exact pressure. Just gulp the fucking shit down, take the energy boost, and find more important minuscule things to bitch about.


Cool. By the same token I assume you buy the cheapest steak possible, microwave it, and swallow it down. Cause, hey — it’s just energy.



That’s correct. I eat to nourish my body. I do prefer the steak on the stovetop though if I have the time.

Hmmm, interesting. So sometimes you invest time and energy into something that doesn’t provide any benefit to providing energy to you.

I also noticed you expended energy and time opening, reading and posting about a subject you have no interest in.
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UConn4523 : 5/20/2018 1:29 pm : link
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I don't see any difference between this and any other coffee maker other than how the water is introduced. Truly a First World problem.



Thinking the same thing. You guys act as though you go to a buddies and refuse their coffee if it’s not pressed and grinded with some exact pressure. Just gulp the fucking shit down, take the energy boost, and find more important minuscule things to bitch about.


I don’t even drink it for the caffeine, I enjoy the taste. And if it tastes like shit, wel....
I have been doing a pour over for a while now...  
EricJ : 5/20/2018 1:43 pm : link
the coffee maker makes the initial pot of coffee... then I pour it back over the grounds the second time. You get a more intense coffee flavor.
I like cheap crappy coffee  
phil in arizona : 5/20/2018 1:44 pm : link
But my friend swears by his chemex. Says when using it, you really need good beans, otherwise it’s even worse than the crap I drink.
The one ‘nice’ shop I go to occasionally  
phil in arizona : 5/20/2018 1:48 pm : link
Does pour over for their regular drip. It’s pretty darn good.
RE: I have been doing a pour over for a while now...  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 1:52 pm : link
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the coffee maker makes the initial pot of coffee... then I pour it back over the grounds the second time. You get a more intense coffee flavor.

You also over-extract the grounds and make the coffee more bitter. If you want more intensity, try an Aeropress, French press, Moka pot or espresso machine.
Years ago there was a place in orange NJ  
chiro56 : 5/20/2018 2:23 pm : link
Called the kosher Irishman . The would serve lots of egg dishes , they would then put the cracked shells into the filter with the ground coffee and the water would drip through the mix into the pot. The shells would act as a slower filtration and create great flavor. The best coffee I ever tasted. For those who enjoy coffee as more then just an adrenaline rush, coffee has become a social beverage much like beer.
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ColHowPepper : 5/20/2018 2:30 pm : link
few references to temperature: I can't/won't drink coffee that is not hot and at home go to lengths some would say (like my wife) borders on obsessive: I love our MochaMaster (ss thermos), but to get the coffee really hot and to stay hot, I boil water on the stove, then fill the thermos w/the just boiled water to get it hot, grind the beans, empty the thermos and place it under the drip mechanism.

Is that enough? No, while the coffee is brewing, I fill my mug with water and microwave it for ~ 90 seconds to heat the mug. Make my breakfast, walk the dog, then ready for hot coffee--traditional 8 O'Clock brand.

(Side note: in North Adams, MA, this week, a pretty run down, old mill town, lots of abandoned homes (some beautiful housing stock) near center of town, mostly working class, a city struggling to keep its head above water (Hoosic River), banking on Berkshires' tourism in large part. So, in the Mass MOCA structure (former textile converter site, then Sprague Electronics) there's an outfit called Tunnel Coffee, nice coffee bar and folks coming in for brew and muffins, etc. So, we have a cup to go, smooth and full flavored and delicious, no acid or bitter after taste whatsoever, and I'm wondering about the caffein hit. About 15 minutes later, it hit, with a punch, amazing combo.)
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StingerProf : 5/20/2018 2:57 pm : link
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I don't see any difference between this and any other coffee maker other than how the water is introduced. Truly a First World problem.



Thinking the same thing. You guys act as though you go to a buddies and refuse their coffee if it’s not pressed and grinded with some exact pressure. Just gulp the fucking shit down, take the energy boost, and find more important minuscule things to bitch about.


Cool. By the same token I assume you buy the cheapest steak possible, microwave it, and swallow it down. Cause, hey — it’s just energy.



That’s correct. I eat to nourish my body. I do prefer the steak on the stovetop though if I have the time.


Hmmm, interesting. So sometimes you invest time and energy into something that doesn’t provide any benefit to providing energy to you.

I also noticed you expended energy and time opening, reading and posting about a subject you have no interest in.


You’re argument seems to be based on me not wanting to waste energy. I never said that. And it’s also not a waste to read some of these comments about coffee. It’s very amusing to me.
I have had all kind of  
section125 : 5/20/2018 4:08 pm : link
coffee machines including Keurig and Nespresso. I find a plain jane Mr Coffee makes the best coffee. It is all in the beans.
Oddly, 8 O'Clock brand is as good as any I've found and also one of the cheapest. Currently using BJ's Colombian or Costa Rican.

Nothing is worse than a weak cup of coffee - brown water.
a mouthful of beans  
madgiantscow009 : 5/20/2018 5:20 pm : link
and swish some hot water in your mouth and you are go to go.
When you do pourover  
Bill in UT : 5/20/2018 6:20 pm : link
I assume one uses $3 bottled water and not some crap from the tap
I switched from French Press to Melitta  
Jay in Toronto : 5/20/2018 7:14 pm : link
Cause the latter is more forgiving of the grind. I hand grind with my Hero Skelton and use water filtered in my Brita.
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christian : 5/20/2018 7:34 pm : link
Think of something you have a favorite of, and then replace that thing with coffee. That's why some people spend more money and time to get what they want.

Is that really a sensibility-offending concept?

I've got a Moka but it's a little confusing to me. I prefer the French press for flavor and simplicity. No extra energy consumed, no extra waste, no big mess, and I can control exactly how much I make and the flavor is spot on every time.
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Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13969298 christian said:
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Think of something you have a favorite of, and then replace that thing with coffee. That's why some people spend more money and time to get what they want.

Is that really a sensibility-offending concept?

I've got a Moka but it's a little confusing to me. I prefer the French press for flavor and simplicity. No extra energy consumed, no extra waste, no big mess, and I can control exactly how much I make and the flavor is spot on every time.

What about the moka pot do you find confusing?
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christian : 5/20/2018 8:24 pm : link
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Think of something you have a favorite of, and then replace that thing with coffee. That's why some people spend more money and time to get what they want.

Is that really a sensibility-offending concept?

I've got a Moka but it's a little confusing to me. I prefer the French press for flavor and simplicity. No extra energy consumed, no extra waste, no big mess, and I can control exactly how much I make and the flavor is spot on every time.


What about the moka pot do you find confusing?


I'm always getting the water the wrong temp when I'm setting back on the burner. That and nearly burning myself when I put the basket of ground into the pot.

This is likely a symptom of needing coffee at that moment than it being truly difficult.
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Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 8:52 pm : link
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I'm always getting the water the wrong temp when I'm setting back on the burner. That and nearly burning myself when I put the basket of ground into the pot.

This is likely a symptom of needing coffee at that moment than it being truly difficult.

Assuming what you have is an actual Moka Pot (like the one pictured below), you should be filling it with cold water. That should make it easier.

It’s good  
mattlawson : 5/20/2018 9:09 pm : link
More expensive but worth it if you’re going for a meeting at the shop. Aero press is basically French press inverted so you get those oils via pressure. Really is about the coffee to water ratio and exact temperature and timing.
RE: It’s good  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13969341 mattlawson said:
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More expensive but worth it if you’re going for a meeting at the shop. Aero press is basically French press inverted so you get those oils via pressure. Really is about the coffee to water ratio and exact temperature and timing.

I disagree. Aeropress is different animal entirely:

1) It’s pressure extraction vs. steeping.
2) it’s faster, so grind uniformity is less important.
3) it’s micro-filter, which removes the oils from the coffee. That has upsides (health) and downsides (reduced richness)
4) The Aeropress produces espresso strength coffee, which can be used for lattes etc.
don't particularly like pour overs  
markky : 5/20/2018 10:01 pm : link
takes way too long for the guy with a neck tattoo and a man bun to make one. but they are basically the same as a drip coffee machine.

drip coffee is superior to k cups (the worst), percolators (2nd worst), but not as good as espresso in any form (espresso, cappuccino, latte). shooting steam through ground coffee and letting it condense on the other side offers the best taste (imho).

if you buy a good home espresso machine, when amortized over the tens of thousands of cups it can make in its lifetime, you are basically paying just the price of the beans for great coffee. so about 25 cents per cup. the machines seem expensive but I've had mine for 15 years.

another way to get great coffee if you're a hobbyist is to roast your own beans at home, no matter how you brew the coffee it will be better with freshly roasted beans. you can do it in your toaster oven.
RE: On the subject of coffee  
schabadoo : 5/20/2018 10:29 pm : link
In comment 13968959 uther99 said:
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Why is Dunkin Donuts coffee so revered? I find it tasteless


It's brown water and no one should ever drink it.

Get a large Americano and its 3 shots of espresso for $3 and enjoy life.
RE: don't particularly like pour overs  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13969381 markky said:
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drip coffee is superior to k cups (the worst), percolators (2nd worst), but not as good as espresso in any form (espresso, cappuccino, latte). shooting steam through ground coffee and letting it condense on the other side offers the best taste (imho).
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Espresso machines don’t work that way — it’s not steam/condense. It doesn’t force steam thru the grounds. It uses pressure to force hot water at around 190 degrees thru the grounds.
RE: don't particularly like pour overs  
Beer Man : 5/21/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 13969381 markky said:
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takes way too long for the guy with a neck tattoo and a man bun to make one. but they are basically the same as a drip coffee machine.

drip coffee is superior to k cups (the worst), percolators (2nd worst), but not as good as espresso in any form (espresso, cappuccino, latte). shooting steam through ground coffee and letting it condense on the other side offers the best taste (imho).

if you buy a good home espresso machine, when amortized over the tens of thousands of cups it can make in its lifetime, you are basically paying just the price of the beans for great coffee. so about 25 cents per cup. the machines seem expensive but I've had mine for 15 years.

another way to get great coffee if you're a hobbyist is to roast your own beans at home, no matter how you brew the coffee it will be better with freshly roasted beans. you can do it in your toaster oven.
Although, I agree with you on K-cups being at the bottom of the taste scale, I do start the day out with them. Mostly, because of the speed and convenience. Believe it or not there are a few types that make a decent cup of coffee. The ones I always reach for are Gevalia-Signature Blend, Starbucks-Verona, Caribou-Daybreak, Caribou-Mahogany
Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts either...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2018 9:29 am : link
introduced or brought to the customers premium coffee because of the years and years of people getting served terrible coffee that was often burnt or tasteless.

But it is a lot like beer. People still drink Busch Light and other stuff that is pure shit. A whole segment of beer drinkers got tired of drinking piss and the craft brew movement took over. And it would've happened a heck of a lot quicker if there weren't draconian laws in place.

Coffee is similar. Even conveniences stores/gas stations have brought in premium product instead of leaving a pot on a burner all day, producing complete shit. People may bitch that they can't get a cup for .50 anymore, but I was with my parents countless times where the diner coffee wasn't worth a nickel and my Dad would still plow through 3 cups.
I'm not super picky about coffee but I do appreciate a good up when  
Brown Recluse : 5/21/2018 9:55 am : link
I can get one. French press is still my favorite. I don't know what pour over coffee is but I guess I'll have to try it now.

I won't touch K cups (ok, i lied about being picky)

And if I grab a cup of D&D or Mcdonalds coffee, its purely because I'm in a hurry and just want my fix so I don't really care much how it tastes. Its not undrinkable. Its just not great, but it does what it needs to.
Starbucks reminds me of coffee that was percolted on the stove for  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 10:04 am : link
too long, or overboiled. Burnt and bitter.

I like the French Press too, but now that my kids are coffee drinkers too, it's just easier to make the big 16 cup drip pot of Lavazza.
*percolated*  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 10:05 am : link
man my typing sucks.
Pour over or manual drip is great coffee  
TJ : 5/21/2018 11:33 am : link
Used a chemex for years til I dropped it. I use a French press these days but I'm thinking I'll pick up a cone filter so I can brew into a thermos if I feel like a change. Slightly different flavor than press but just as good IMO.

It would be nice to have an automatic drip that was as good but the only models that actually heat the water enough and disperse the water decently cost a couple hundred dollars and that seems wasteful when the inconvenience of the manual process doesn't bother me.
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mattlawson : 5/21/2018 12:29 pm : link
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More expensive but worth it if you’re going for a meeting at the shop. Aero press is basically French press inverted so you get those oils via pressure. Really is about the coffee to water ratio and exact temperature and timing.


I disagree. Aeropress is different animal entirely:

1) It’s pressure extraction vs. steeping.
2) it’s faster, so grind uniformity is less important.
3) it’s micro-filter, which removes the oils from the coffee. That has upsides (health) and downsides (reduced richness)
4) The Aeropress produces espresso strength coffee, which can be used for lattes etc.



you can disagree all you want - my friend owns a coffee shop directly below my office and has 10 different devices for pour overs. I've had them all with his commentary.
Isn't this how many old coffee makers used to work  
steve in ky : 5/21/2018 12:49 pm : link
I seem to remember prior to automatic coffee makers becoming affordable and mainstream this was the basic concept for brewing coffee at home.

On a side note. Does anyone really like Starbucks coffee when drinking it black? Some of the worst coffee I ever had was from there. My wife likes to occasionally get a Starbucks and thinks it's good, but the "coffee" she gets from them is more desert than coffee.
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Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13970051 steve in ky said:
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I seem to remember prior to automatic coffee makers becoming affordable and mainstream this was the basic concept for brewing coffee at home.

On a side note. Does anyone really like Starbucks coffee when drinking it black? Some of the worst coffee I ever had was from there. My wife likes to occasionally get a Starbucks and thinks it's good, but the "coffee" she gets from them is more desert than coffee.


no. SB coffee is the worst. see my post above
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steve in ky : 5/21/2018 1:01 pm : link
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I seem to remember prior to automatic coffee makers becoming affordable and mainstream this was the basic concept for brewing coffee at home.

On a side note. Does anyone really like Starbucks coffee when drinking it black? Some of the worst coffee I ever had was from there. My wife likes to occasionally get a Starbucks and thinks it's good, but the "coffee" she gets from them is more desert than coffee.



no. SB coffee is the worst. see my post above


Yeah, you nailed it. I remember the first time I had one. I was expecting something extra good and instead it was possibly the worst cup of coffee I ever had. You can stop at any convenience store and get old coffee sitting there half the day and it be better than that.
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