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NFT: Vegas Gold Knights were 500 To 1 to win Stanley Cup

GmeninPSL : 5/20/2018 10:42 am
so a $20 ticket would get you $10,000. Imagine holding one of those tickets! I'm sure there were a handful of people who live in Vegas who purchased such tickets for shits and giggles. Now they are 5 wins away from giggling all the way to the bank :)
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that is crazy  
Joey from GlenCove : 5/20/2018 11:01 am : link
but look to cash out right now
I was looking at their roster  
Mark from Jersey : 5/20/2018 11:24 am : link
and I was like who are these guys? Like Karlsson really didn't do much in the NHL before this year.

Some of them have had decent numbers in the past but nothing earth shattering.

Hard to believe an expansion team in its first year could win the cup.
What were the Lightning  
allstarjim : 5/20/2018 12:45 pm : link
(eventual Stanley Cup winner)?


GO BOLTS
Karlsson  
Mike in NY : 5/20/2018 12:52 pm : link
What makes his case even more interesting is how much Columbus gave up to make sure that Vegas took him. Islanders paid a similar price, but that was only so the Golden Knights would take J-F Berube in the Expansion Draft
the Knights are a gritty gritty team with the nickname the misfits  
gtt350 : 5/20/2018 1:25 pm : link
Players no one wanted a team no one can beat. There are many people who placed bets on them winning the cup just to have the stub as a memento.
well now it's getting serious.
It's a terrific story and a really good team with an excellent coach.
I went to two games this season and it is unexplainable being in the arena, it's like a Happening, pool party,night club, show and also a hockey game.
Go Knight's Go!
According to the SportsBooks  
Giants : 5/20/2018 1:29 pm : link
there is at least one person who bet $500 before the season started for the Knights to win it all
The location of T -Mobile Arena sits at the  
gtt350 : 5/20/2018 1:30 pm : link
end of a park thorough fair with eateries and bars. There's a fucking parade to the main entrance before every game, Drum core, majorettes, mascot the works you can't make this shit up
RE: According to the SportsBooks  
DennyInDenville : 5/20/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13969026 Giants said:
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there is at least one person who bet $500 before the season started for the Knights to win it all

Was prob Floyd Mayweather

He just can't lose
maybe, he won a 100 grand just the other night in a casino  
gtt350 : 5/20/2018 1:37 pm : link
/
In 2016 the odds on Leicester winning the Premier League  
JohnF : 5/20/2018 4:55 pm : link
were 5000 to 1...and 24 people had winning tickets! The London Sportsbooks lost 24 million Pounds!

24 people bet on Leicester winning the Premier League at the start of the season — here's how much they won

Las Vegas just got  
GmeninPSL : 5/20/2018 6:14 pm : link
that much closer! Now 4 wins away!
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/20/2018 6:21 pm : link
Insane.
My understanding  
BlackLight : 5/21/2018 3:12 am : link
is that sportsbooks are known to call up the folks who are holding these longshot tickets, and trying to buy them out, rather than risk losing the full monty.

It must be fun to get one of those calls.
RE: My understanding  
Joey from GlenCove : 5/21/2018 7:37 am : link
In comment 13969467 BlackLight said:
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is that sportsbooks are known to call up the folks who are holding these longshot tickets, and trying to buy them out, rather than risk losing the full monty.

It must be fun to get one of those calls.


id sell half of it, if possible
Amazing Team  
Percy : 5/21/2018 8:10 am : link
Made of NHL cast-offs. Tells us something about the quality of the talent evaluators on the teams they used to belong to. Do they still have their jobs, still get paid? Why, I suppose they do. Hah! Jerks!
RE: My understanding  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 13969467 BlackLight said:
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is that sportsbooks are known to call up the folks who are holding these longshot tickets, and trying to buy them out, rather than risk losing the full monty.

It must be fun to get one of those calls.


No idea how they could possibly know who the people are. I often place prop bets, and they know zero about me, I get a ticket and I leave. It's a cash transaction. I mail the ticket back to them when I win (or if i happen to be in Vegas I'd bring it with me).

I don't remember any more scrutiny places on a long shot or higher $$ wager. is there?
it tells us more about what a fucking joke the NHL has become  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 8:29 am : link
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RE: it tells us more about what a fucking joke the NHL has become  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2018 8:35 am : link
In comment 13969516 Victor in CT said:
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Please elaborate on this. Or maybe better yet, please do not.

The NHL has never been better. The league-wide talent quality has never been matched. The diversity (in countries) has never been anything like what we're seeing now, more and more sources of players are being uncovered) most games have playoff like intensity, and hockey is the best sport to watch on TV or live.

Did they botch the expansion draft process? yes, very likely, most expansion teams are brutal for a few years so it seems the league may have over-compensated.

But that point being allowed no one that looked at this LVG roster (and I mean no one) before the season had them even .500 let alone making the playoffs, and certainly not in the SCF. Outside of the fact an expansion team having this much success isn't a good thing in the minds of hockey traditionalists (like myself), it's an incredible story.
it is an incredible story  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 8:51 am : link
you have a 36 year old defenseman playing great. you have an enforcer score the Western Championship goal, his first as a knight, you have a rookie Justin Tuch who just blossomed, You have Fleury have an early season concussion having the team use 4 other goalies 3 from the minors and still win, you have Wlliam Karlson who was a mediocore player have a career season, you have a coach who uses for super conditioned fast skating lines that grind you to a pulp. they are 12 and 3 in the playoffs beat LA 4 straight, beat Winnipeg after losing the 1st game 4 straight. they beat the Sharks after a Vegas winning goal was nulified in OT on home ice 4-2 ,
This is a true team. Each player is a great story in itself the Golden Misfits
also an aging James Neil who was suppossed to be mid season trade bait  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 8:55 am : link
didn't go anywhere and had an outstanding season
the entire affair is a disgrace  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:08 am : link
The NHL should be embarrassed.
Greg come on man it's a disgrace because  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 9:12 am : link
a bunch of castoffs become champions
It's a disgrace because an expansion team should not be in the finals  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:14 am : link
Instant gratification for "fans" of a team that didn't exist a year ago is disgusting. Pay your fucking dues like the rest of us have.
you feel that way because you don't think they as a team paid their  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 9:18 am : link
dues but yes each guy did individually. Too bad i couldn't take you to a game out here you would love it. Especially the ladies attending. Maybe they would let you run the siren if we told mgt your feelings
RE: RE: it tells us more about what a fucking joke the NHL has become  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 13969521 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13969516 Victor in CT said:


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Please elaborate on this. Or maybe better yet, please do not.

The NHL has never been better. The league-wide talent quality has never been matched. The diversity (in countries) has never been anything like what we're seeing now, more and more sources of players are being uncovered) most games have playoff like intensity, and hockey is the best sport to watch on TV or live.

Did they botch the expansion draft process? yes, very likely, most expansion teams are brutal for a few years so it seems the league may have over-compensated.

But that point being allowed no one that looked at this LVG roster (and I mean no one) before the season had them even .500 let alone making the playoffs, and certainly not in the SCF. Outside of the fact an expansion team having this much success isn't a good thing in the minds of hockey traditionalists (like myself), it's an incredible story.


the league sucks. there are too many teams, to many meaningless games, different laundry playing the same dull style. The NHL is nothing but a Ponzi schem to enrich owners by distriburting expansion teams entrance fees. That a sweetheart deal like this was allowed for LV to be able to make it to the Finals is a disgrace. Quality of play sucks, there is no diversity in styles, every team has their long winning streak, long losing streak. They change the playoff format to screw the best teams and force them to play each other in the 2nd round. Need I go on pjcas18?

As someone who goes back to the early '70s NHL, this era sucks. The best NHL era was the eraly '80s to mid '90s. 21 teams, LOADS of new talent from the US and East bloc, great innovators like Glen Sather in edmonton, Herb Broooks, Scotty Bowman and great rivalries playing each other 6-8 times per year.
we paid our dues by not having a professional team  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 9:21 am : link
in the betting capital of the world ever. We had to go to team bars to watch a game. This brought the whole city together after a tragedy don't forget that
did I leave out the ridiculous size of the goalie equipment? Which is  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 9:22 am : link
allowed in order to mask the fact that there aren't 31 NHL caliber goalies in the world?
and to Victor you're delusional  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 9:23 am : link
Hockey has never been better.The talent, speed, diversity of the players has never been better.
Herb Brooks?  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2018 9:32 am : link
I loved the guy as coach of the Miracle on Ice team, but seriously referencing him in an NHL quality thread?

His teams finished above 3rd place one time. Once in seven seasons.

You lose any credibility when you lament for the days of Herb Brooks' NHL.

If you can't notice a difference between styles of a guy like Cooper vs Vigneault or Julien vs Cassidy you would not appreciate what we're seeing now.

If you can't watch Connor McDavid, Patrik Laine, David Pastrnak, Johnny Gaudreau, Tarasenko, Crosby, Ovechkin, Karlsson, etc. etc. etc. and realize that hockey is currently in it's best era ever than you would post comments like yours.

Yes goalie pads are bigger, but guys are shooting the puck much harder with composite sticks, and while I'd love to see smaller goalie pads, the goalies themselves are also bigger, and that is why we have half the goals per game from peak Gretzky era.

So for fans who want to see a high scoring no defense games, then sure the Gretzky era is your hey day, but I do not value that style of play more than today.

How many enforcers are there in today's game? Teams run 4 lines out there today. They rarely did that back in the 80's.
I'm talking about the fans, not the players  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:32 am : link
I've been a Rangers fan my entire life. I remember, as a little kid, being the only Rangers fan in a school full of Islander fans. It was the early '80s and the Islanders were of course at their peak. I didn't see the Rangers play in a final until I had just graduated high school. I didn't see them play in another final for 21 more years. Islander fans haven't been back since 1984. Devils fans had their miracle 2012 run to the finals but that was their only appearance in the last 15 years. The Maple Leafs haven't played in a final since 1967, the Habs since 1993. Etc, etc. For this team to be in the finals in its first year of existence is a crime against hockey. I felt the same way in 1996 when Colorado won in their first season playing in Denver.
Victor I'm 50  
Stu11 : 5/21/2018 9:35 am : link
I've been watching since I was 9 or 10 years old. The quality of play is so fast paced and talented right now its insane. Meaningless games??? you're opining about an era where 16 of the 21 teams in the league made the playoffs! I agree the current playoff format is a little funky but its not a big deal. I loved the old time era of hockey in the 70's/80's into the 90's but go back and watch a game from then. Its like slow motion hockey compared to now.Yes the goalie equipment has gotten bigger, but the stick technology has allowed the players to blast shots at ridiculous speeds. The goaltending is so much better today its scary. Also on the Vegas thing the advantages they were given has been blown out of proportion. They got to pick from a bunch of 3rd and 4th line guys and 2nd pairing Dmen at best. The Fleury thing was big I'll admit, that was circumstance. What they did all year and now in the playoffs is insane.
RE: Herb Brooks?  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 13969609 pjcas18 said:
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I loved the guy as coach of the Miracle on Ice team, but seriously referencing him in an NHL quality thread?

His teams finished above 3rd place one time. Once in seven seasons.

You lose any credibility when you lament for the days of Herb Brooks' NHL.

If you can't notice a difference between styles of a guy like Cooper vs Vigneault or Julien vs Cassidy you would not appreciate what we're seeing now.

If you can't watch Connor McDavid, Patrik Laine, David Pastrnak, Johnny Gaudreau, Tarasenko, Crosby, Ovechkin, Karlsson, etc. etc. etc. and realize that hockey is currently in it's best era ever than you would post comments like yours.

Yes goalie pads are bigger, but guys are shooting the puck much harder with composite sticks, and while I'd love to see smaller goalie pads, the goalies themselves are also bigger, and that is why we have half the goals per game from peak Gretzky era.

So for fans who want to see a high scoring no defense games, then sure the Gretzky era is your hey day, but I do not value that style of play more than today.

How many enforcers are there in today's game? Teams run 4 lines out there today. They rarely did that back in the 80's.


He was an innovator. They had a distinct style. That they had the great Isles dynasty in their division playing the traditional Canadian style made it that much more interesting. And was also the major obstacle to their advancing since you had to play out of your divison back then.
Hockey is most..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2018 9:37 am : link
definitely not the best it has ever been. and if you want evidence of that, just look at an expansion team making the Finals.

Just like most of the time since the early 90's, team success has been driven more out of scheme than talent. The 70's Canadians. The 80's Oilers and Islanders. Those were teams stacked with talent. The latter part of the 90's and since then were dominated with zone trapping and defensive ploys that allowed a guy like Torts to take middling teams far and those who executed well like the Devils and Hurricanes to Cup runs and titles.

I will say that the last several years has seen more young talent coming to the league in some time and that bears hope. And some lesser countries like Germany and Switzerland have made runs lately on the World scene, but overall, there is still room to go before it being the best ever.
RE: I'm talking about the fans, not the players  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 13969611 Greg from LI said:
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I've been a Rangers fan my entire life. I remember, as a little kid, being the only Rangers fan in a school full of Islander fans. It was the early '80s and the Islanders were of course at their peak. I didn't see the Rangers play in a final until I had just graduated high school. I didn't see them play in another final for 21 more years. Islander fans haven't been back since 1984. Devils fans had their miracle 2012 run to the finals but that was their only appearance in the last 15 years. The Maple Leafs haven't played in a final since 1967, the Habs since 1993. Etc, etc. For this team to be in the finals in its first year of existence is a crime against hockey. I felt the same way in 1996 when Colorado won in their first season playing in Denver.


Wow things changed from my age group to yours. We were overwhlemingly Ranger fans in the late 70s in Junior high, probably 65/35 Rangers/Isles when in graduated in 1982 in the High School
where was that, though?  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:42 am : link
I went to elementary school in Levittown.
There are things that have to be fixed with hockey  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2018 9:46 am : link
it's definitely not perfect.

Such as:

1. the point system. I hate the way the tiers are now, though I do have to stay I thought I'd hate 3v3 OT, but that's some of the most exciting skill on display I've seen. I like 3v3 a lot. I'd get rid of shootouts and have 3v3 until a winner. I don't see the risk, you don't get players as tired out since with only 3 on the ice you can change more regularly. And either adopt the INTL point system (3 pts for regulation win, 2 pts for OT win, 1 pt for OT loss and o pts for regulation loss) or just 2 pts for a W and 0 for a loss period. Makes wins that much more meaningful.

2. faceoffs, the rules now take a little away from the game. just drop the puck, it's almost to the point now 1 player is kicked out of the circle every face off. and the worst part is publicly at least many players and the coaches say they don't know why

3. penalties. I hate the ticky tack slashing calls. It should be harder to get a penalty. I don't want hockey penalties to become like holding in the NFL where some retired NFL refs say 'we can call holding every single play". I'd like penalties to be more egregious.

4. fighting. this may seem a little contradictory to other things I've said, but I think fighting needs to be more prevalent in hockey. Since the 4th line became more prominent and not just filled with enforcers and goons, players have become more free with cheap shots without having to answer for it, and sometimes just clean hard hits get responded to with cheap shots because the feeling of having to eventually answer for your actions is lessening. I hate the cliche that the game polices itself, but to an extent hockey always has. It's losing some of that.

5. offsides replay. I always feel like if you have human refs and you can be reasonably sure they're not corrupt, you live with their calls. If they miss an offsides honestly, then it sucks but they miss an offsides. So many of these reviews come down to if a player, not involved in the play, had a skate in the air while crossing the blue line ahead of the puck or not. it might be letter of the rule, but it's never been the intent IMO. it sucks for the game overall even if they get the calls technically correct.

Still people could probably add more.

with all of that, today's game is light year's past the 80's.
RE: where was that, though?  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13969628 Greg from LI said:
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I went to elementary school in Levittown.


I was in Lake Grove. Went to Wenonah Elemntary, Sachem District K-12
I hate the "charity point" too. And the Shootout.  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 9:52 am : link
Officiating always is going to be tough in hockey. It's too fast, and it always ebbs and flows between "ticky tack" and "turn 'em loose Bruce" Hood style depending on the latest outrage.
I don't like replay in any sport. Especially baseball  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2018 9:53 am : link
I thought the NHL had the best replay when it was strictly on goals.
I do agree that 3 on 3 OT is awesome  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:56 am : link
Just a pure skill showcase. Have despised the shootout since the day it was instituted, just a terrible way to decide a game. Hate the point system too - just bring back ties.
I think people are mostly mad that they were wrong about Vegas.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/21/2018 10:48 am : link
The idea the expansion draft was rigged for Vegas is revisionist history.
Here is the team owner on his expectations  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2018 10:51 am : link
for the season. LOL.

No one, and I mean no one, expected this.

If you had to pin the Vegas situation on any one team, other than giving the team the credit they've earned, it's the Florida Panthers.

I love the 3 on 3 OT as well  
Stu11 : 5/21/2018 10:52 am : link
Love the individual talent as well as the set plays like basketball or football. I agree on the shootout being a crappy way to decide a point, but in general I hate ties so I'm ok with it. I like PJ's ideas on going to the international point system. I'm fine with replay but it needs ro be centralized in Toronto with the same people deciding the way they did it starting late in the regular season and playoffs that way its consistent. As for reviewing offsides I agree currently its ridiculous. They need to make it onsides if your skate is above the blue line. Frankly I'd be fine if rhey dump the offsides review all together.
Gregg I've been a Ranger fan all my life. The Vegas fan base is a  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 11:05 am : link
conglomerate of every fan in the league. Tons of Ranger, Islander converts not to mention every other team. Sure there are newbies caught up in the excitement it's all good. We expected very little but the openess of this team, the local practice facility open to the public for free, huge blechers to watch practice, walking into the facility with the players, a restaurant and bar upstairs overlooking the ice. It's been amazing. If you relocated to vegas and were a local guess what you'd have Knight jerseys and gear. I bet ya
Not bloody likely  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 11:06 am : link
If I haven't dropped the Knicks after close to two decades of utter ineptitude, I'm not jumping ship for anyone.
yeah the knicks. Their championship clubs had  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 3:23 pm : link
camp at Monmouth University. I was fortunate to watch that also. I've been a Knick fan since the 60's. I havent jumped ship on the Rangers either. I wanted them to kick the crap out of LA but you know the rest.
I think hockey is great right now  
NYerInMA : 5/21/2018 7:31 pm : link
I'd tweak a few things (skate above the blue line = onside, back to the #1-8 playoff seeding, 3 pts for a regulation win), but on the whole it's a lot of fun to watch. Now if the Rangers could just get this shit together...
god 1994 was 26 years ago good grief  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 7:45 pm : link
.
oops 24 years ago  
gtt350 : 5/21/2018 7:46 pm : link
so that's better right?
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