I have seen several posters say they think it is. We all know that the "proof" will be on the field, but curious to hear what you all think as of today.
My thoughts to start.
LT - Solder will be a better than average LT
LG - Hernandez will be a better than average LG and will meet expectations.
C - Jones? Below average. Will work hard but does get pushed around.
RG - Omameth will be an average guard.
RT - Flowers/Wheeler? Average at best.
Reserves - Lots of mediocrity. Greco, Jerry, Halapio are decent as reserves, but not a lot of upside. Hoping Gates, Cooper, or Brown and step up.
Chemistry - I think the line has good character guys and will work hard to be good.
Scheme - Unknown but there are reasons to think it will be better than it has been in the past.
Conclusion - Better but NOT FIXED.Hopefully improvement in scheme, attitude, and chemistry helps. Barkley will also help. Could use one or two starter-caliber veteran signings if someone gets loose.
Positive: If Eli is trying to do his job, as opposed to just preserving his life, the line is fixed to the point of good enough.
That's the spirit!
Totally?
I don't know how you can say that and be serious. Is right tackle fixed when we don't even know who's going to be the starter there? How about Center? Jones is adequate at best but hardly an anchor we can all be comfortable with and not have any concerns with.
LT and LG are certainly upgraded and the jury is still out on RG but I think we upgraded there. At best I see three spots that were fixed but 60% of the line is far from 100%. That said, I never expected it to be fixed in one year. Upgraded and better than the last couple of years, yes, but complete? No.
Jones and Wheeler/Flowers should worry you greatly based on past performance. Omameh is just average. Ideally he's your worst starter but we're expecting him to be solid.
John Jerry or Ereck Flowers. One of these two will be starting - therefore it'll be another year or two before we can say the offensive line is fixed.
Henandez is rookie...not better then Pugh but better then Pugh on IR, there are enough guards/competition to hopefully find 2 starters and viable back ups.
Center is keep....must be able to anchor....
I am more hopeful this year....but need to see it, before I believe it.
To answer your question......Maybe
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Solder, Hernandez, Jones, Omameh, Flowers
Every other position is average or worse than average.
I think Hernandez is being overrated here. In his rookie year I expect him to be average maybe slightly below and then improve to average or slightly above as he moves on year over year.
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Solder, Hernandez, Jones, Omameh, Flowers
Not to mention our top 3 running backs going into last season were Perkins, Darkwa a Vereen. Going into this season they are Barkley, Stewart and Gallman, another huge upgrade.
Lol.
First it was totally and now it's enough. What's next? Some? A bit? Kind of?
I continue to maintain that, unless Flowers' improves his PLAY (technique, anticipation, not over-dropping, maintaining good angles, and not lunging/dropping his upper body and improving foot movement), the move to RT from LT will not, per se, elevate his play. The only given in a move to RT is that the rushes will not come from the QB's blind side. There is too frequent position switching between RDE and LDE and various blitz/game schemes to posit that RT as such is an easier position to play than LT. Now, it may be that the way HC structures the running game will benefit whoever it is playing at RT, when it comes to PP.
Its fixed
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“Suburbanites” with Karl Nelson, Billy Ard, Bart Oates, Gary Reisonberg, and Brad Benson. All not stellar Olinemen individually but great chemistry as a unit. I am hoping that’s what we can get from today’s group.
Was Doug Reisenberg, and, yes, he was solid.
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RT should be ok since there’s at least some decent competition for the spot. Center is my main concern.
I think you have it backwards: Jones is no world beater but he has been a stable presence, knows his assignments, and can only improve not having JJ (or Hart) to his right and Flux on his left. Saying RT should be ok since there is decent competition, between two utterly unproven players at RT.
I continue to maintain that, unless Flowers' improves his PLAY (technique, anticipation, not over-dropping, maintaining good angles, and not lunging/dropping his upper body and improving foot movement), the move to RT from LT will not, per se, elevate his play. The only given in a move to RT is that the rushes will not come from the QB's blind side. There is too frequent position switching between RDE and LDE and various blitz/game schemes to posit that RT as such is an easier position to play than LT. Now, it may be that the way HC structures the running game will benefit whoever it is playing at RT, when it comes to PP.
Jones is every bit as unproven as anyone else, if we're being honest. It's easy to look competent playing among the wreck that line was last season.
But to your point, yes, given all the changes and moving parts, there is little certainty in how it comes together.
They will want young,cost controlled OL/team, and out of the Solder contract after 2 seasons if possible.
Worst case obviously is total fail in play/injury.
The best case is Omameh @26 plays well,they find a RT and Brown is an NFL C by 2019, AND, they find quality depth this season.
We're due for some good OL play given the general quality since mid 2012 has been between B and C+ at best, but more generally C and D.
It’s addition by subtraction. “Anyone” is better than Hart. Solder is certainly better than Flowers. If Omameh - Hernandez start, the weak link will be Jones but he may arguably have been the best lineman down the stretch last year.
Things are looking up !
But to your point, yes, given all the changes and moving parts, there is little certainty in how it comes together.
Come on man they gave Jones a weak tender on a one year deal.
He’s not the future, he’s just the best they could do given the way everything worked out.
But Jones is light, Omameh was cut by the only team he started a full season for, and we still don't know who the starting RT is.
This does not inspire confidence and is anything but fixed.
I wouldn’t rule out:
Solder/Hernandez/Jones/Grecco/Omameh
Omameh hasn't accomplished anything in his career to distinguish himself over John Jerry. By most accounts he's not mauler, but is decently nimble. He started a 13/16 games last year for a good team, and replaced by a much better player. He signed essentially a prove it deal.
Wheeler absolutely doesn't have the physical skills of Flowers and that will show in camp and in the pre-season. Flowers is clearly a butthead, but has plus athletic ability.
That said, the four guys competing for those 2 spots aren't long term, foundation type players. The Giants are still a ways away.
Omameh hasn't accomplished anything in his career to distinguish himself over John Jerry. By most accounts he's not mauler, but is decently nimble. He started a 13/16 games last year for a good team, and replaced by a much better player. He signed essentially a prove it deal.
Wheeler absolutely doesn't have the physical skills of Flowers and that will show in camp and in the pre-season. Flowers is clearly a butthead, but has plus athletic ability.
That said, the four guys competing for those 2 spots aren't long term, foundation type players. The Giants are still a ways away.
Omameh showed more last season for Jacksonville than Jerry ever has. You're wrong about Omameh in that he is an excellent run blocker. Wheeler is athletic enough to start in the NFL and as long as he is healthy he will give Flowers a run for his money. I think the starting OL will be:
LT Solder LG Hernandez C Jones RG Omameh RT Flowers
It wouldn't surprise me if Wheeler starts at RT though.
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I will not be shocked in the slightest if Flowers, Jones and Jerry are opening day starters.
Omameh hasn't accomplished anything in his career to distinguish himself over John Jerry. By most accounts he's not mauler, but is decently nimble. He started a 13/16 games last year for a good team, and replaced by a much better player. He signed essentially a prove it deal.
Wheeler absolutely doesn't have the physical skills of Flowers and that will show in camp and in the pre-season. Flowers is clearly a butthead, but has plus athletic ability.
That said, the four guys competing for those 2 spots aren't long term, foundation type players. The Giants are still a ways away.
Omameh showed more last season for Jacksonville than Jerry ever has. You're wrong about Omameh in that he is an excellent run blocker. Wheeler is athletic enough to start in the NFL and as long as he is healthy he will give Flowers a run for his money. I think the starting OL will be:
LT Solder LG Hernandez C Jones RG Omameh RT Flowers
It wouldn't surprise me if Wheeler starts at RT though.
Literally everything I've read about Omameh is he's not a mauler, that Jacksonville ran much more effectively to the opposite side. He's been on 4 teams in 5 years, and has never attracted a long-term commitment. The deal he signed with the Giants is essentially a one-year contract.