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NFT: Westworld S2 Ep5 (spoilers welcome)

Tony in Tampa : 5/21/2018 7:16 am
What did we learn:

• Shogun World is a rip-off of WW. Characters and narrative are mostly identical
• Maeve has found a “new voice” which has mind control. Very Jedi or is she Neo and has now taken over the Matrix. Her interactions with the geishas remind her of the protective relationship she has with her own daughter.
• I guess you could see that between him floating apparently dead in the present timeline (Ep1) and that disapproving shake of the head that Deloris gave him at the end of Ep 3, Teddy, at least the Teddy that we know was a goner. Seems like his good guy character has been overwritten. But as per the preview for next week, he still has a role to play.
• For some reason I thought the shell of Clementine seeing her replacement in the Mariposa and mouthing the same old lines with that look of shock/fear on her face was really sad.
• In the first scene we find out that some of the host the Delos team captured in the present timeline seemed to not have active core memories as if they were new hosts or the memories had been wiped. And a third of the stored code was now gone, hmm: Is that what has been uploaded to Abernathy or something else?

Overall, while having Shogun world be a knockoff of WW fits in the character of what a hack like Lee Sizemore would do-so not a real surprise and fits the storyline-I was really looking forward to something more challenging that just a few sword fights and was disappointed by SW. In this episode there was not much movement on the Delos’s “grand plan” for the hosts and the use of the guest DNA. So to me Ep 5 was more of another ok to meh episode.
Maeve is interesting  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/21/2018 8:21 am : link
Delores as Wyatt is kind of boring story line now.

The sex scene was crucial, because I don't think they had ever been physical with one another like that before, and now that they have free will, they were able to do so.

I think it was Delores saying goodbye to the Teddy that she loved, because she knew she was about to turn him up on the crazy meter.
I thought  
Jon in NYC : 5/21/2018 8:37 am : link
it was the best episode of the season. Not a ton of plot development, but great storytelling and drama.
RE: Maeve is interesting  
Tony in Tampa : 5/21/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13969501 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Delores as Wyatt is kind of boring story line now.

The sex scene was crucial, because I don't think they had ever been physical with one another like that before, and now that they have free will, they were able to do so.

I think it was Delores saying goodbye to the Teddy that she loved, because she knew she was about to turn him up on the crazy meter.

I saw a couple comments in some reviews that I agree with

1) The sex scene was weird. Not sure if it was ERW not wanting to do a nude sex scene but it played like something from a movie on Lifetime. Lots of feet and backs and extreme closeups. If they did not want to go explicit why not just have them kissing and recline to the bed then fade to black. Strange for a show on HBO that usually does not shy away from that stuff. But I agree it was Deloris saying goodbye to Teddy or the narrative based sweethearts that they had been written to play.

2) The samurai fights scenes which were expected to be cool with great swordsmanship were shot in the dark. Why?
RE: I thought  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/21/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 13969527 Jon in NYC said:
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it was the best episode of the season. Not a ton of plot development, but great storytelling and drama.


I find the none Delo's stuff kind of boring. Last nights episode was ok though.

I think we have to many story lines going on right now. Last season they were all intertwined together, and now they are all branched out on their own.
Oh one big reveal  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/21/2018 9:05 am : link
was that they were draining the canyons. As hypothesized, the big weapon, is something that releases a bunch of water into the park and drowns the host.

I'm guessing they can melt the top of fake Kilimanjaro which will flood the canyons below.
I thought this episode reinforced what I previously thought  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:05 am : link
That only Maeve is truly conscious (hence her new mind-control powers) while Dolores is still just running Ford's programming.
Fake Fuji, you mean?  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:06 am : link
Kilimanjaro is in Africa.
RE: Fake Fuji, you mean?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/21/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13969568 Greg from LI said:
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Kilimanjaro is in Africa.


Yeah, that's my biggest guess.
Also one small thing that I noticed about S2  
Tony in Tampa : 5/21/2018 9:19 am : link
In S1 the writers seem to take great care to not mention locations by proper names. It was obvious that WW and Sweetwater was bases on a town in the old west but I cannot remember any mention of an actual American city or even an actual location in the world. We only knew WW was on some kind of island since there was references to the “mainland”. There were even some theories that WW maybe taking place on another planet or a distant future long after the cities we now know had been destroyed.

This season I recall: Jim Delos last week calling out Carlsbad CA., and last night Lee Sizemore explains that Shogun World is based on the Edo period of Japan while Felix has to yell at Sylvester that he’s from “Hong Kong” so he does not know how to speak Japanese. Interesting that the writers have decided to firmly place the location of the show in modern day or near future Earth.

Have I missed references to locations on Earth in S1 or are these the first?
Anyway, even though it didn't really move the plot along at all  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2018 9:20 am : link
I enjoyed the Shogun World scenes. Feudal Japan is always a treat.

BTW, was the Musashi of Shogun World meant to be the REAL Musashi? Or did they just use the name because he was the most famous samurai?
I liked the creative director sharing that all  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/21/2018 11:26 am : link
the hosts are programmed with the different languages in all the parks.

It was a really simple and logical way to address that question of communication.

It also makes me wonder about Emily/Grace. In the episode when she speaks the Ghost Nation language, and explains it to the security guy that she just "paid attention" to them speaking long enough after all her time in park.

Little more crumbs there that she may be a host/hybrid perhaps.
when they arrive in Shogun World  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/21/2018 2:08 pm : link
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