might be a bit more athletic, in that his parents (well, he is, too) are from Nigeria and when he was a kid he played soccer. He was also 240 when he showed up at Michigan.
Not just from Jacksonville either.He's just a slightly better JAG then JJ. NYG will work on replacing him too. We've got 2 solid piece: Solder and Hernandez. NYG needs to add 3 more. Hopefully next off-season 2 more can be added.
Right now, 3/5 of the OL consists of what Parcells calls Â
the Giants have 3 guys they'll replace when we really don't know what Wheeler has to offer in Year 2 ... and Brett Jones might be a very solid center with guys around him.
Who the hell even knows about Omameh? He's been a journeyman, and while it's unlikely he'll be great, if he's serviceable, that's a much-improved line.
RE: Right now, 3/5 of the OL consists of what Parcells calls Â
"hold the fort" type players. the cavalry still hasn't fully arrived yet.
I agree, I think this is an evaluation year for the offensive line. Gettleman clearly saw something he liked in Omameh but he protected the team with the structure of his contract where the Giants could get out of it after a year. The Giants are giving Jones, Omameh, Flowers, Wheeler, Brown, and Gates a year to prove that they are part of the future along the offensive line. Gettleman's past has me hopeful that he can find a gem or two among these players.
RE: Right now, 3/5 of the OL consists of what Parcells calls Â
"hold the fort" type players. the cavalry still hasn't fully arrived yet.
In todays salary cap age, I think most of the top lines only have 2 or 3 "keepers", the rest are all hold the fort guys.
Agree. Unless you are the Cowboys, your not going to have pro-bowlers at every position on the OL. But I wouldn't mind seeing the team add a couple tough Blue Collar guys like Dhiel and Seubert.
If half the things written about Omameh are true... Â
I am not holding out any great hope for Omameh. He's a journeyman, and his former team went deep into their pockets to replace him.
And it wasn't a value buy, or a nice-to-have, they went out day 1 and spent record money to get better play at the position.
I'm not comparing Norwell and he. Just that if his former team had a high, or hopeful grade on him and his future, I wouldn't expect them to put such a value on replacing him.
The stat that keeps getting thrown around is that he started a bunch of games. That's the same stat thrown around when Jerry signed here.
I'm looking for a reason as to why he's better than Jerry.
also thought Perkins was the next big thing at RB for the Giants. My guess is he's barely seen any of Omameh.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
Been saying that for years. Jerry has usually been our second best lineman (and healthiest). That's the problem.
Omameh is an ok starter and he got paid for that. I thought he was the anti-Jerry as he is a better run blocker than a pass blocker.
Similar to Jerry though, you know what you are getting. I would right now venture to guess that he would probably be our 3rd or 4th best lineman. (Soldier/Hernandez would be better with Jones or Wheeler/Flowers having the potential). If he is our 3rd best, we probably have a mediocre line. If he is 5th best, above average. If he is 2nd best, we could see a new QB sooner than later.
If Reese makes this signing the board explodes. New GM makes signing and its great. What has he done that is any different than John Jerry except be let go by more teams
To look at DG's track record of identifying OL talent. He has found us some solid guys in all sorts of places. He was responsible for O'Hara, McKenzie, Baas, Boothe, Andrews all coming here as the director of pro personnel. The guy knows OL play, so instead of making wild guesses why not look at his track record? In Carolina he nabbed Trai Turner in the 2nd and found Norwell in UDFA so I trust his eye far more than the lame conclusions being drawn here.
the Giants have 3 guys they'll replace when we really don't know what Wheeler has to offer in Year 2 ... and Brett Jones might be a very solid center with guys around him.
Who the hell even knows about Omameh? He's been a journeyman, and while it's unlikely he'll be great, if he's serviceable, that's a much-improved line.
I’d take it a step further. We haven’t seen these guys paired together in Shurm’s system. So much is made of individual capabilities but you often hear how critical cohesion is for an Oline. Until they line up against live bodies, it’s hard to say how this unit will perform.
In comment 13969849 christian said:
[quote] I am not holding out any great hope for Omameh. He's a journeyman, and his former team went deep into their pockets to replace him.
Either that or they went deep into their pockets to replace Luke Joeckel. Either way it's not an optimal signing, but we can hope.
To look at DG's track record of identifying OL talent. He has found us some solid guys in all sorts of places. He was responsible for O'Hara, McKenzie, Baas, Boothe, Andrews all coming here as the director of pro personnel. The guy knows OL play, so instead of making wild guesses why not look at his track record? In Carolina he nabbed Trai Turner in the 2nd and found Norwell in UDFA so I trust his eye far more than the lame conclusions being drawn here.
Bingo. You can extend it to pretty much every vet he brought in at any position. Met or exceeded expectations.
I have zero doubt Solder, Omameh, Kareem Martin, Michael Thomas and Mauro will do their jobs and be tough, physical football players. Even Stewart will be a much-needed guy who can pick up a tough yard in a pressure spot, and punch it in at the Goalline.
also thought Perkins was the next big thing at RB for the Giants. My guess is he's barely seen any of Omameh.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
I've read and seen on Omameh is opposite of Jerry. He's a better run blocker and he's a physical guy. Jerry isn't physical. And he certainly isn't a good run blocker.
is noticeably better OL than John Jerry. This isn't about looking for the Omameh to go get pro bowl votes, but anybody on this thread thinking its a "push" between the two guys is nuts...
Jagswire specifically said their team needed to address their OLien before draft day and they specifically said they needed to address both of their guards before they left. ***This is not a ringing endorsement of Omameh.
Looked good in the few clips I saw, particularly in the run game. He may not be an all-pro but I think he’ll be a hell of a lot better than what we had.
also thought Perkins was the next big thing at RB for the Giants. My guess is he's barely seen any of Omameh.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
I can do nothing but LOL at this logic
Its not logic, its just reality. Obviously you are easily entertained. Good for you.
BBV did a pretty good breakdown of what he can do Â
I've seen the excitement for him, and a lot of people talking him up.. Wonder how many of those people knew who he was before the start of the offseason..
Is a middle of the road starter. I am fine with that for now. Solder is a huge upgrade as is Hernandez. Omameh is an upgrade to Jerry and Jerry is an upgrade over whomever we had last year on the bench. The Oline rebuild is not a 1 year project. Might take us a 2 or 3 years but it will get done. Hopefully Flowers or Wheeler can grab the RT spot and run away with it. A lot also forget about Ellison who Shurmer KNOWS how to use unlike Idiot mcadoo
To look at DG's track record of identifying OL talent. He has found us some solid guys in all sorts of places. He was responsible for O'Hara, McKenzie, Baas, Boothe, Andrews all coming here as the director of pro personnel. The guy knows OL play, so instead of making wild guesses why not look at his track record? In Carolina he nabbed Trai Turner in the 2nd and found Norwell in UDFA so I trust his eye far more than the lame conclusions being drawn here.
Turner was actually a 3rd rounder. He also drafted all-pro RT Daryl Williams in the 4th round. He also signed OT Mike Remmers off the Rams practice squad and he has developed into an excellent RT who currently starts for the Vikings. This is clearly not a case of luck.
If I had to pick one of the OL on the current roster Â
that will become a very good starting OL for the Giants I think it is going to be Evan Brown. Hopefully Brown surprises and pushes Jones for the starting C job. Nick Gates is also very intriguing as he sounds similar to Norwell in that they were OT's from a big program, both with ideal height, that moved to guard in the pro's. For the record I am not saying that Gates will become a great player like Norwell.
So hope springs eternal. Realistically he doesn't have a great track record outside of logging starts. His weakness doesn't jive well with a 37 year old pocket QB. Probably an upgrade from what we've had, but thats an awfully low bar.
Is a middle of the road starter. I am fine with that for now. Solder is a huge upgrade as is Hernandez. Omameh is an upgrade to Jerry and Jerry is an upgrade over whomever we had last year on the bench. The Oline rebuild is not a 1 year project. Might take us a 2 or 3 years but it will get done. Hopefully Flowers or Wheeler can grab the RT spot and run away with it. A lot also forget about Ellison who Shurmer KNOWS how to use unlike Idiot mcadoo
We don't know if Hernandez is going to be a huge upgrade. Sy knocked his movement in pass pro iirc. Rookies often struggle. If he struggles early (again, 37 year old pocket QB) we're in trouble. In fact, I think you can count on a lot of A gap pressure with Omameh's pass pro and our smurfish center.
I've read and seen on Omameh is opposite of Jerry. He's a better run blocker and he's a physical guy. Jerry isn't physical. And he certainly isn't a good run blocker.
I've read that sentiment 2nd hand, but basically everything I've read has indicated the opposite. That he's a subpar run blocker.
also thought Perkins was the next big thing at RB for the Giants. My guess is he's barely seen any of Omameh.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
I'm genuinely confused as to where the sentiment he's a much different player than Jerry (style-wise) comes from. The above article spells out pretty clearly he's not a mauler type and is better in pass protection. I've also read (grain of salt clearly taken) his PFF run grades are really poor.
I want the guy to succeed, but on paper seems like he's very much a younger Jerry.
Kevin Boothe is probably a hopeful (and realistic) expectation Â
they do have similar builds and I think it's fair to give Gettleman the benefit of the doubt evaluating OL. Also, I have no love for John Jerry but he was towards the bottom of the list of OL problems in Reese's tenure. He's practically the only signing/draft pick who could even stay healthy and he didn't exactly break the bank.
Entering the season with Bobby Hart doing anything other than hand out water was a bigger problem.
Pugh and Richburg always getting hurt was a bigger problem.
Fluker getting paid as much as he did to be a backup was a bigger problem.
I hope.
Who the hell even knows about Omameh? He's been a journeyman, and while it's unlikely he'll be great, if he's serviceable, that's a much-improved line.
I agree, I think this is an evaluation year for the offensive line. Gettleman clearly saw something he liked in Omameh but he protected the team with the structure of his contract where the Giants could get out of it after a year. The Giants are giving Jones, Omameh, Flowers, Wheeler, Brown, and Gates a year to prove that they are part of the future along the offensive line. Gettleman's past has me hopeful that he can find a gem or two among these players.
In todays salary cap age, I think most of the top lines only have 2 or 3 "keepers", the rest are all hold the fort guys.
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"hold the fort" type players. the cavalry still hasn't fully arrived yet.
In todays salary cap age, I think most of the top lines only have 2 or 3 "keepers", the rest are all hold the fort guys.
And it wasn't a value buy, or a nice-to-have, they went out day 1 and spent record money to get better play at the position.
I'm not comparing Norwell and he. Just that if his former team had a high, or hopeful grade on him and his future, I wouldn't expect them to put such a value on replacing him.
The stat that keeps getting thrown around is that he started a bunch of games. That's the same stat thrown around when Jerry signed here.
I'm looking for a reason as to why he's better than Jerry.
Ergo run more. Ergo run to pass. Ergo pass better.
Also. Communicating vs stunts. Hello.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
Omameh is an ok starter and he got paid for that. I thought he was the anti-Jerry as he is a better run blocker than a pass blocker.
Similar to Jerry though, you know what you are getting. I would right now venture to guess that he would probably be our 3rd or 4th best lineman. (Soldier/Hernandez would be better with Jones or Wheeler/Flowers having the potential). If he is our 3rd best, we probably have a mediocre line. If he is 5th best, above average. If he is 2nd best, we could see a new QB sooner than later.
Who the hell even knows about Omameh? He's been a journeyman, and while it's unlikely he'll be great, if he's serviceable, that's a much-improved line.
I’d take it a step further. We haven’t seen these guys paired together in Shurm’s system. So much is made of individual capabilities but you often hear how critical cohesion is for an Oline. Until they line up against live bodies, it’s hard to say how this unit will perform.
[quote] I am not holding out any great hope for Omameh. He's a journeyman, and his former team went deep into their pockets to replace him.
Either that or they went deep into their pockets to replace Luke Joeckel. Either way it's not an optimal signing, but we can hope.
Bingo. You can extend it to pretty much every vet he brought in at any position. Met or exceeded expectations.
I have zero doubt Solder, Omameh, Kareem Martin, Michael Thomas and Mauro will do their jobs and be tough, physical football players. Even Stewart will be a much-needed guy who can pick up a tough yard in a pressure spot, and punch it in at the Goalline.
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also thought Perkins was the next big thing at RB for the Giants. My guess is he's barely seen any of Omameh.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
I can do nothing but LOL at this logic
nice one...
Omarosa is an improvement.
You also have to factor in that Omameh was a free agent also. He was free to field offers.
Sy wasn't impressed.
waltercamp had him low ranked.
rotowrold specifcally siad that he struggled.
Jagswire specifically said their team needed to address their OLien before draft day and they specifically said they needed to address both of their guards before they left. ***This is not a ringing endorsement of Omameh.
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also thought Perkins was the next big thing at RB for the Giants. My guess is he's barely seen any of Omameh.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
I can do nothing but LOL at this logic
Its not logic, its just reality. Obviously you are easily entertained. Good for you.
He's a very different player than John Jerry.
I've seen the excitement for him, and a lot of people talking him up.. Wonder how many of those people knew who he was before the start of the offseason..
Turner was actually a 3rd rounder. He also drafted all-pro RT Daryl Williams in the 4th round. He also signed OT Mike Remmers off the Rams practice squad and he has developed into an excellent RT who currently starts for the Vikings. This is clearly not a case of luck.
We don't know if Hernandez is going to be a huge upgrade. Sy knocked his movement in pass pro iirc. Rookies often struggle. If he struggles early (again, 37 year old pocket QB) we're in trouble. In fact, I think you can count on a lot of A gap pressure with Omameh's pass pro and our smurfish center.
I've read that sentiment 2nd hand, but basically everything I've read has indicated the opposite. That he's a subpar run blocker.
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also thought Perkins was the next big thing at RB for the Giants. My guess is he's barely seen any of Omameh.
That comment was made before last season even started, at which point everyone was high on Perkins based off of his rookie season and college production. There was no way to forecast he would eventually get hurt and have a poor sophmore season.
I can do nothing but LOL at this logic
That would require you to know what logic is.
I want the guy to succeed, but on paper seems like he's very much a younger Jerry.
Entering the season with Bobby Hart doing anything other than hand out water was a bigger problem.
Pugh and Richburg always getting hurt was a bigger problem.
Fluker getting paid as much as he did to be a backup was a bigger problem.
Flowers on an island at LT was a bigger problem.
Mcadoo's predictability was a bigger problem.