NFT: Yanks at Texas (plus some transaction news)

Probably would be best served to go with 12 pitchers when they bring up bird, wait it out and see what develops before you release someone you may regret releasing or sending anyone down that simply does not deserve that, like Austin for example, no way to run a railroad to ask a player to step in, that player does a great job, then you send him down, bad message. Let Bird and Austin platoon to start out and see how that works. Don't release walker to soon, one injury and you may regret releasing him, although they do have Drury also. I would rather play it cautiously to start.

and Hicks is starting to hit, plus the best defensive CF option they have. Frazier deserves to be in the bigs, but there simply isn't room.

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Probably would be best served to go with 12 pitchers when they bring up bird, wait it out and see what develops before you release someone you may regret releasing or sending anyone down that simply does not deserve that, like Austin for example, no way to run a railroad to ask a player to step in, that player does a great job, then you send him down, bad message. Let Bird and Austin platoon to start out and see how that works. Don't release walker to soon, one injury and you may regret releasing him, although they do have Drury also. I would rather play it cautiously to start.

With Drury I think the team has to worry that the migraines could come back at any minute

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and Hicks is starting to hit, plus the best defensive CF option they have. Frazier deserves to be in the bigs, but there simply isn't room.

I love what Gardy brings to the team, but sometimes its better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. Clint has been getting on base and ripping the cover off the ball for AAA-SWB. If Gardy stays in this slump, seems like they will have to give the kid his shot.

This is not his last year. Heard it on a bunch of podcast and Michael kay has said such as well. His opinion but he knows what he�s talking about in regard to the yanks

They aren't going to let him go if they don't have another credible CF besides Hicks. If Wade could establish himself as an IF/OF supersub, then I could see Frazier taking Gardner's spot because Wade's speed likely allows him to handle CF.

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In comment 13969805 Dunedin81 said: Quote: and Hicks is starting to hit, plus the best defensive CF option they have. Frazier deserves to be in the bigs, but there simply isn't room. I love what Gardy brings to the team, but sometimes its better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. Clint has been getting on base and ripping the cover off the ball for AAA-SWB. If Gardy stays in this slump, seems like they will have to give the kid his shot.

He's a strong defensive OF, he can still run, and he's a year removed from a fine all-around season. I think they can (and should) make him a 4th OF before they release him.

I don't see them getting rid of Walker. Professional hitter, switch-hitter, plays at least two positions. Sucks for Austin but I think he's sent down. That said, Bird had better be completely ready before they do that.

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In comment 13969814 Beer Man said: Quote: In comment 13969805 Dunedin81 said: Quote: and Hicks is starting to hit, plus the best defensive CF option they have. Frazier deserves to be in the bigs, but there simply isn't room. I love what Gardy brings to the team, but sometimes its better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. Clint has been getting on base and ripping the cover off the ball for AAA-SWB. If Gardy stays in this slump, seems like they will have to give the kid his shot. He's a strong defensive OF, he can still run, and he's a year removed from a fine all-around season. I think they can (and should) make him a 4th OF before they release him.

Agree. But I was thinking more of trading him.

In addition, until Ellsbury shows up and Florial returns and then matures...they dont have as viable a back up to Hicks (streaky and oft injured himself) in the system other than Gardy

In comment 13969842 Del Shofner said:

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I don't see them getting rid of Walker. Professional hitter, switch-hitter, plays at least two positions. Sucks for Austin but I think he's sent down. That said, Bird had better be completely ready before they do that.

They haven't yet announced who is taking his spot

Stanton: 58 ABs, .328/.409/.724, 5 homers
Sanchez: 43 ABs, .279/.429/.674, 5 homers

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Probably would be best served to go with 12 pitchers when they bring up bird, wait it out and see what develops before you release someone you may regret releasing or sending anyone down that simply does not deserve that, like Austin for example, no way to run a railroad to ask a player to step in, that player does a great job, then you send him down, bad message. Let Bird and Austin platoon to start out and see how that works. Don't release walker to soon, one injury and you may regret releasing him, although they do have Drury also. I would rather play it cautiously to start.

agree. I don't like having just 2 bench players to begin with.

discounted either, this is a very young team. He�s not going anywhere this season

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discounted either, this is a very young team. He�s not going anywhere this season

They arent going to pay him just for his leadership. If Frazier is ready and they dont trade him, they're going to let Gardner walk regardless of what leadership he brings to the clubhouse

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In comment 13969879 mfsd said: Quote: discounted either, this is a very young team. He�s not going anywhere this season They arent going to pay him just for his leadership. If Frazier is ready and they dont trade him, they're going to let Gardner walk regardless of what leadership he brings to the clubhouse

Disagree...they want to win a world series this year, Gardy is a proven veteran playoff performer. I just don't see them releasing him mid-season

but he's played in big games and delivered at times, including last postseason

problem to have. Too much talent. I always liked Red Thunder as he plays with intensity like a Gardner. These young kids are also good trade pieces and have to make the correct roster moves.

...not great from hereon in, we're rooting for a 100+ win team.

Maybe way over 100+ wins.

I like that he has a different personality, and I think he would make a great leadoff guy on this team which there is a hole at after Gardner. I hope they don't jeopardize this teams still growing (yes that's hard to believe) offensive potential by getting rid of some pieces. Bird coming back, rookies getting more experience, and our best hitters starting to heat up is so much fun to watch, I feel they can get by with what they have pitching wise. I think it should be addressed in FA after the season.

But you have to look at how the pieces fit together. If Stanton is a)around long-term b)going to continue to play a significant number of games in the outfield, it's hard to see how Frazier can be part of this team going forward.

Now, neither of those things are set in stone. Maybe Stanton IS kind of a rental, as Rich has theorized, or maybe he's more open to DHing than he's let on. We won't know any of that for a while yet.

a trade, and I could envision one that brings us a top SP as well as a depth CF who can run. Guys from the ranks of Frazier, Austin, Drury, Wade and other assorted prospects might be some of the moving parts.

That way the team can move on from Gardner next year while solidifying the rotation. Cashman won't rush into such a deal, but wait until the right one comes along.

And I can see us signing Harper next year, with Stanton remaining the primary DH. That would solve our need for a leadoff hitter, I suppose. ;-)

I think he's done enough to deserve a long leash in our current situation.

Stanton has said several times that he doesn't want to DH more than occasionally.

as long as possible. I feel like they need to be 100% sure they have him healthy - all the way back with no pain whatsoever - before moving him back onto the roster.

I don't want to watch him go 1-48 and find out later he still has something lingering from his previous foot injury or the recovery from surgery, etc.

prove that he can stay on the field before handing him a spot. And there's no need to rush him back when the team is playing .840 ball over the past 25 games.

this is such a great problem to have! seriously too much offensive talent on this team is amazing

i firmly believe we should be looking to make a deal for top end of rotation guy. whether ells or gardner are a part of that deal is up in the air. dont rush into anything but def explore as IMO we are one top end guy away from being a SERIOUS favorite to win it all

It means they must be paying through the nose in prospects - that would be the only way to get that boat anchor from around the team's collective neck.

injured his back while he was rehabbing the injury he suffered while rehabbing the injury he suffered before that while rehabbing the injury he suffered before that. I wonder if the Yankees basically told him to take the year off and collect your money.

If the Yanks could potentially move that dead weight ( Ells) with a deal then I am all for it. I think from where the yanks currently stand, I'd be a little conservative however unless a can't miss, long-term front line SP presents itself. I always just assumed Stanton was really going to be the DH guy, I guess that does make it tough with Frazier. Really wish the kid could had the ability to play CF, then it wouldn't be an issue, but we are backed-up with corner outfielders.

I also would love to see Austin look competent against righties.

luxury tax cap this year without that, and at that point it's only money, because we likely will sign a top FA next winter, whether a SP or one of the big two, and be over the cap once again. So why give up prospects to unload him?

And if Stanton doesn't want to DH much, he can opt out of his contract after 2020. But until then I expect that we'll give him, Judge and Sanchez DH starts whenever we think it best for the team.

My only point in bringing up DHing and Stanton is that it might (MIGHT....this is all speculation) be a reason why they could choose to hang on to Frazier and perhaps look to trade Stanton. I don't believe that would happen, but other people think it's possible and I don't think it can be completely ruled out.

In comment 13969850 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13969842 Del Shofner said: Quote: I don't see them getting rid of Walker. Professional hitter, switch-hitter, plays at least two positions. Sucks for Austin but I think he's sent down. That said, Bird had better be completely ready before they do that. They haven't yet announced who is taking his spot

Speculation is that it will be Right-hander Giovanny Gallegos

The rest of the OF is what it is - Stanton, Judge and a combo of Hicks/Gardy. I agree with all saying Gardy's leadership and strong postseason history keeps him here, hopefully beyond this year.

It's the infield that is most interesting to me.

Didi and Torres are obviously everyday guys now. At 1B, we'll have Bird (in a week) and Austin. I don't see the value in playing anyone else there once Bird is back.

So Walker's on an island with a contract that won't be very attractive in a trade, and Andujar, Torreyes and Drury are to be considered at 3rd.

If I'm Cashman, I'm not trading Torreyes. He's way too valuable a utility guy and beloved in the clubhouse.

So do you trade Drury or Andujar? I think Cash has masterfully positioned himself to trade Andujar. He reportedly kept Andujar off the table in trade discussions for more than a year. Then he went and stockpiled infielders, including Drury. I didn't understand why at the time, laughing at the Yanks' effusive praise of Drury and writing it off as a stopgap move to allow Andujar to take more time to develop. But if that was the case, you'd think Drury would have been called back up immediately when he returned from his injury and started raking in the minors (that was before Andujar had reached 130 ABs, too).

I'm not sure what Andujar will become. He's played great so far, but his defense is suspect and I worry his swing will keep him a high SO kind of guy. I'm probably looking too much into this, but maybe Cashman thinks the same and now just happens to find himself in the perfect position where he can leverage that perceived unavailability and these surprisingly good numbers in a deal soon. If that were the case, it would make sense to keep Andujar up and Drury down until Andujar's bat cools off.

Andujar seems like the guy they are prepping for if a trade presents itself. Hope Frazier can stay, and it also would provide some flexibility with Stanton down the road, and not having a clear lead-off hitter once Gardy leaves. Andujar has an impressive bat, I think he will only get better as a player, but I think he makes the most sense when it comes to trading one of the young guys.

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The rest of the OF is what it is - Stanton, Judge and a combo of Hicks/Gardy. I agree with all saying Gardy's leadership and strong postseason history keeps him here, hopefully beyond this year. It's the infield that is most interesting to me. Didi and Torres are obviously everyday guys now. At 1B, we'll have Bird (in a week) and Austin. I don't see the value in playing anyone else there once Bird is back. So Walker's on an island with a contract that won't be very attractive in a trade, and Andujar, Torreyes and Drury are to be considered at 3rd. If I'm Cashman, I'm not trading Torreyes. He's way too valuable a utility guy and beloved in the clubhouse. So do you trade Drury or Andujar? I think Cash has masterfully positioned himself to trade Andujar. He reportedly kept Andujar off the table in trade discussions for more than a year. Then he went and stockpiled infielders, including Drury. I didn't understand why at the time, laughing at the Yanks' effusive praise of Drury and writing it off as a stopgap move to allow Andujar to take more time to develop. But if that was the case, you'd think Drury would have been called back up immediately when he returned from his injury and started raking in the minors (that was before Andujar had reached 130 ABs, too). I'm not sure what Andujar will become. He's played great so far, but his defense is suspect and I worry his swing will keep him a high SO kind of guy. I'm probably looking too much into this, but maybe Cashman thinks the same and now just happens to find himself in the perfect position where he can leverage that perceived unavailability and these surprisingly good numbers in a deal soon. If that were the case, it would make sense to keep Andujar up and Drury down until Andujar's bat cools off.

I agree with all of this. I see Andujar as a solid Starlin Castro type of guy - a very nice player with good tools and capable of showing BIG flashes, but a bit too aggressive of a swinger for Cashman's liking.

I don't even mind the strikeouts, I think the lack of walks is the bigger issue (3 walks this year in 152 plate appearances), but some team would be more confident that he could turn it around.

Spring training we were saying how we were too loaded in the OF and by the end of the 1st week of the season we were running Jace Peterson out there. These things have a way of taking care of themselves. I really don't think Neil Walker is going anywhere. The organization loves what he brings to the table with putting quality AB's together in big spots and his versatility. I think they are in a holding pattern with Drury, making sure he is ok health wise and giving Andujar at least a few more weeks to see if he can keep it up.

The Andujar/Drury situation will have to be resolved at some point. Yes, it's a "good problem to have," but it's still a problem. Neither are AAA players, and neither have played anywhere but third base for the Yankees. Doesn't appear Drury is being groomed for a utility role of some kind.

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When Drury is ready, and possibly included in a package for SP at the deadline.

With the way Machado is playing this year, he�ll be too good to pass up. NYY�s biggest advantage will always be $, and this is one of the few free agent opportunities where you see a generational talent at a premium position hitting free agency at the age of 26.

Machado plays third while Didi plays out his arb year.

Next year, the org decides whether to sign Didi (Machado stays at 3B earning SS dollars) or let him go and slide Machado to SS.

If Andujar is still in the org in the latter scenario, maybe he�s the long-term 3B. I suspect he�s traded by then. The hit tool is nice, but the approach needs a good bit of work. As impressive as it feels like he�s been, he�s sub-.800 OPS whose probably been more lucky than unlucky (not by a lot, but .330 BABIP with no speed). I don�t dislike his future at all, but selling him at his current market value (as in, this season...not a firesale this week) may make the most sense for the org.

One, Walker's contract is eminently tradeable. He is making $4 mil this year. Even if they don't eat $ (and I don't see why they wouldn't), he has a .921 OPS this month and has displayed positional versatility. He's not going to get you a Top 100 prospect, but he could bring back a guy on the back end of an organizational Top 30 or the sort of short-season lotto ticket Brian Cashman like so much.

Second, Andujar is not a burner but he is plenty quick. He could stand to be more patient but the pitch recognition and the swing and miss should improve with time. He hits the ball hard and he plays a strong defense with the potential for improvement. For a couple weeks he was our second best hitter, after Didi. I'd rather keep him up if possible. Drury has to get right, and there isn't an obvious timetable for when that will happen.

At the plate, his issue is both simple yet somewhat difficult to correct - he swings at anything and everything. Strike zone judgment is one of the more difficult skills to acquire when it doesn't come naturally, but it CAN be done. He doesn't have to have Judge-like patience at the dish to be a plus hitter, just stop helping the pitchers out so damned much.

In the field, he's got plenty of arm and is reasonably athletic enough to be at least average. If he's got a good work ethic, and I've never heard otherwise about him, he can learn the footwork necessary to improve.

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The Andujar/Drury situation will have to be resolved at some point. Yes, it's a "good problem to have," but it's still a problem. Neither are AAA players, and neither have played anywhere but third base for the Yankees. Doesn't appear Drury is being groomed for a utility role of some kind.

AJ's only mistake is that Walker's contract is very tradeable. $4.5 mill is dirt cheap for a player of Walker's ability. Yanks can trade him in a heart beat.

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In comment 13970230 bceagle05 said: Quote: The Andujar/Drury situation will have to be resolved at some point. Yes, it's a "good problem to have," but it's still a problem. Neither are AAA players, and neither have played anywhere but third base for the Yankees. Doesn't appear Drury is being groomed for a utility role of some kind. AJ's only mistake is that Walker's contract is very tradeable. $4.5 mill is dirt cheap for a player of Walker's ability. Yanks can trade him in a heart beat.

Minor mistake- Walker is only making $4.0M million this season- and now that the season is at the one-quarter mark, there is only $3.0M left on the deal- VERY tradeable.

Actual contract numbers - ( New Window )

In comment 13970245 bigbluehoya said:

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When Drury is ready, and possibly included in a package for SP at the deadline. With the way Machado is playing this year, he�ll be too good to pass up. NYY�s biggest advantage will always be $, and this is one of the few free agent opportunities where you see a generational talent at a premium position hitting free agency at the age of 26. Machado plays third while Didi plays out his arb year. Next year, the org decides whether to sign Didi (Machado stays at 3B earning SS dollars) or let him go and slide Machado to SS. If Andujar is still in the org in the latter scenario, maybe he�s the long-term 3B. I suspect he�s traded by then. The hit tool is nice, but the approach needs a good bit of work. As impressive as it feels like he�s been, he�s sub-.800 OPS whose probably been more lucky than unlucky (not by a lot, but .330 BABIP with no speed). I don�t dislike his future at all, but selling him at his current market value (as in, this season...not a firesale this week) may make the most sense for the org.

I fail to understand people who continue to assume that Machado is going to play 3B. He won't.

Machado is a SS- and has made it clear that this is going to be an issue with whomever signs him. In addition to the $$$, it is going to come down to who guarantees him the right to play SS.

If it comes down to Did vs. Machado, I don't think Cashman would hesitate for one second to sign Machado and trade Didi. Not. One. Second.

I doubt many here even know that Machado is TWO MONTHS YOUNGER than Judge. In other words, he "fits" the age profile the team is looking for. He's also more than 2 years younger than Didi.

Machado is also simply better than Didi with the bat. Machado has a career OPS+ of 120- including a ridiculous 190 this season to date. Machado has just two seasons with an OBP below .320 in his career- his first full season (2013 at age 20) and last year.

Didi has a career OPS+ of 97, with a 126 this year. he has just 2 seasons of OPS+ over 100- last year at 105 and this season. The only seasons Didi had an OBP above .320 was his first full season (.332) and this season (.335).

Look, Didi has been VERY good. But Machado is better- and will be better longer.

This team is constructed to be a championship level team for a VERY long period of time. Machado would age together with Judge, Sanchez and the others.

Didi is also a FA after the 2019 season. Machado won't be cheap- likely to score over $300M- though maybe we should scale back FA expectations after last winter. But he will last longer.

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In comment 13970297 section125 said: Quote: In comment 13970230 bceagle05 said: Quote: The Andujar/Drury situation will have to be resolved at some point. Yes, it's a "good problem to have," but it's still a problem. Neither are AAA players, and neither have played anywhere but third base for the Yankees. Doesn't appear Drury is being groomed for a utility role of some kind. AJ's only mistake is that Walker's contract is very tradeable. $4.5 mill is dirt cheap for a player of Walker's ability. Yanks can trade him in a heart beat. Minor mistake- Walker is only making $4.0M million this season- and now that the season is at the one-quarter mark, there is only $3.0M left on the deal- VERY tradeable. Actual contract numbers - ( New Window )

exactly...

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The rest of the OF is what it is - Stanton, Judge and a combo of Hicks/Gardy. I agree with all saying Gardy's leadership and strong postseason history keeps him here, hopefully beyond this year. It's the infield that is most interesting to me. Didi and Torres are obviously everyday guys now. At 1B, we'll have Bird (in a week) and Austin. I don't see the value in playing anyone else there once Bird is back. So Walker's on an island with a contract that won't be very attractive in a trade, and Andujar, Torreyes and Drury are to be considered at 3rd. If I'm Cashman, I'm not trading Torreyes. He's way too valuable a utility guy and beloved in the clubhouse. So do you trade Drury or Andujar? I think Cash has masterfully positioned himself to trade Andujar. He reportedly kept Andujar off the table in trade discussions for more than a year. Then he went and stockpiled infielders, including Drury. I didn't understand why at the time, laughing at the Yanks' effusive praise of Drury and writing it off as a stopgap move to allow Andujar to take more time to develop. But if that was the case, you'd think Drury would have been called back up immediately when he returned from his injury and started raking in the minors (that was before Andujar had reached 130 ABs, too). I'm not sure what Andujar will become. He's played great so far, but his defense is suspect and I worry his swing will keep him a high SO kind of guy. I'm probably looking too much into this, but maybe Cashman thinks the same and now just happens to find himself in the perfect position where he can leverage that perceived unavailability and these surprisingly good numbers in a deal soon. If that were the case, it would make sense to keep Andujar up and Drury down until Andujar's bat cools off.

I disagree with the long term assessment of Andujar. Remember that Judge had strike zone issues his first year. So did Austin and Bird. So did Frazier last year. Heck, even Trout had a miserable half season to start his career.

It is part of being a rookie. In most cases, what you got away with in the minors doesn't work in the bigs. You have to spend the off-season making adjustments and fixing flaws.

I would note that his K rate is way off his minor league averages. He was generally in the 2:1 ratio of K's to walks- even in AAA. Eventually, when he learns to lay off the breaking ball away and the junk at the bottom of the zone, his walk totals will come around. That's what rookies do.

I am actually impressed with Andujar's defense. Many advertised him as a butcher in the field- he has been quite good, with a great arm. His footwork on the long throws can use some work, but that will come in time.

I don't think Andujar will win any Gold Gloves and probably won't win any batting titles. However, he IS a legitimate starting 3B in the majors.

I don't think people should be rushing to the conclusion that Drury is the 3B in waiting and Andujar is trade bait.

but once he learns to stop chasing, he's going to see more early strikes and pitchers aren't going to be able to use his aggressiveness against him. That's the adjustment he has to make. Until then, pitchers have no reason to throw him strikes early - if at all - because they know they can throw him junk and get into favorable counts.

Why some people don�t take a guy�s words 100% at face value when he says something that is clearly in his best financial interest and exactly what his agent would want him to say?

If you want to believe he means it, that�s a reasonable stance for sure. I happen to think that if the Yankees made the top $ offer and told him he�d be playing at least some 3B, possibly only 3B, and he could take it or leave it, he probably takes it.

If the data matters, so far Machado�s defensive metrics aren�t good at SS this season. Plenty of time to improve, sure.

I agree that it�s an easy choice if it comes down to a Machado or Didi at SS decision. But I think they�d take their time on the Didi arb-year to make the call.

I, too, love Machado. I think it is more likely they sign him over Harper.

You have great points in the comparisons with Didi. I just don't feel it. The Yanks would be well on their way to $1 bill in contracts down the road. They may be there whether they like it or not...I just have a personal aversion to 10 year contracts and $300+ mill in money.

Yeah, yeah, 6-8 years from now chicken feed yada, yada, yada....(even if true)

and they do. But the backside of a ten year commitment to either Machado or Harper will coincide with the paydays for Judge, Sanchez and Severino, and anyone else who emerges in the meantime. Barring significant injury (and especially for Severino that is not an insignificant concern), those three could easily combine for $75 mil a year plus. Bird and Torres could also be in that category at that point in time, and we may have to pay out to address both the rotation and the pen between now and then. They will determine how bound they want to be by the luxury tax, but they will not ignore their potential salary commits moving forward in deciding whether or not to pay Machado or Harper.

Failure to advance to the ALCS or beyond may test their patience, especially if the Sox knock us out and/or win the whole thing.

but the people complaining for him to start and/or stay on the roster...just don't see the big picture. As I have been saying all along, there just isn't room for him, unless their are injuries. Just look at what may happen when Greg Bird returns in a week...we may potentially have to send down Austin. The same guy that is leading all rookies in HR's and RBI's, who absolutely mashes lefties, and has a .580 slugging. Our roster is stacked. But Bird will be getting his job back.

Me personally, I hope we keep Austin and get rid of the 13th pitcher. I think we can get Austin into lineup at least against all lefties with sitting either Bird or Gardy in left & moving Stanton into LF.

But Gardy and Hicks are our starting LF and CF this year, as long as they stay healthy. People can throw around their #'s. But I guarantee you both of their #'s improve, they are great in field and on bases, and in Gardy's case is probably our "captain." Frazier will get his turn, barring getting traded, but it won't be until September call ups.

All last week we had people banging the sit Hicks drum (not me). Well look where is he now. He is up to .250 with. a .30 OB and a .430 slugging. If he just maintained those #'s for the rest of the year he would be a top half of MLB starting CF'er. And my guess is he'll keep improving those #'s.

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Failure to advance to the ALCS or beyond may test their patience, especially if the Sox knock us out and/or win the whole thing.

That's baseball Suzyn... They can be knocked out by anyone. Houston, Boston and Cleveland (to a lesser degree) are at the same elevated status as the Yanks.

It happens - look at the 90's Braves - they had what 14 or 15 year run and only won once? Great pitching staff on a very good team.

but he made his MLB debut two years ago and is 26 years old. He's not exactly a kid.

Gardy LF
Judge RF
Stanton DH
Didi SS
Sanchez C
Hicks CF
Austin 1B
Walker 3B
Torres 2B

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but he made his MLB debut two years ago and is 26 years old. He's not exactly a kid.

Ron Guidry was 26 when he made it.

Judge is/will be 26..

How old was Ichiro?

Frazier, Drury, Bird, & McKinney all in AAA-SWB starting lineup tonight.

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for the pen.

I don't see anything in that guy..seems to get blown up everytime he pitches.

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Bird's gonna be back soon. And Frazier is a stud. Our system is freaking stacked.

Fraizer is traded. Think hes the good.

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Gardy LF Judge RF Stanton DH Didi SS Sanchez C Hicks CF Austin 1B Walker 3B Torres 2B

I like how Boone is coming around with line-ups. Earlier in the year he sat Austin, after he had a 2 HR game...because of the #'s. But now with a righty on the mound, he is keeping the hot Austin in the line-up and finding another way to get Walker in the line-up (at 3B with Andujar getting a rest).

And his batting avg is a gaudy 380! He needs to be with the big club right now. If means Gardner or Hicks needs to sit then sit one of them.

Crazy stuff!! Kids just 19!

Exciting!!!!

Greg Bird goes yard against a Lefty in his first AB im Scranton this year

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And his batting avg is a gaudy 380! He needs to be with the big club right now. If means Gardner or Hicks needs to sit then sit one of them.

Could not agree more.

Tyler Austin about to join him in aaa too. Sad.

Good problems though

Fear of getting ahead and throwing strikes..

Kid is a STUD

Gleyber CRUSHES one to make it 3-0

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That�s not a reason to call a dead a ball

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Kid is a STUD

Where does the power come from? He hits bombs.

Just another day at the office for Gleyber.

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Crazy stuff!! Kids just 19! Exciting!!!! Greg Bird goes yard against a Lefty in his first AB im Scranton this year

Soto struck out in his first at bat yesterday

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Not sure where it was hiding!

I noticed he has a lot of body movement in his swings he's basically effortlessly and efficiently using all of his body weight and putting it into his swings smoothly. Pretty impressive stuff. It's like the Anti Clint Frazier swing sort of , hard to describe I'll keep looking .,

That power is certainly in him though. Looking like AROD at the plate lmao

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At Wrigley I think if it gets caught in the ivy you play on..

Must happen often that they have a ground rule for it.

Were very measured given how little ball he played last year.

Holy shit can this kid play.

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In comment 13970573 Dave in Buffalo said: Quote: And his batting avg is a gaudy 380! He needs to be with the big club right now. If means Gardner or Hicks needs to sit then sit one of them. Could not agree more. Tyler Austin about to join him in aaa too. Sad. Good problems though

On the other hand, we all know that in a long season, injuries, ineffectiveness and trades happen. The Yanks are going to need all that depth before the end. Keep in mind that while it looks like a problem, a lot of other teams don't have the kind of depth to cover for several positions.

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In comment 13970579 DennyInDenville said: Quote: Crazy stuff!! Kids just 19! Exciting!!!! Greg Bird goes yard against a Lefty in his first AB im Scranton this year Soto struck out in his first at bat yesterday

Goodness, thank you / sorry.

I coulda hit that one up the alley.

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I coulda hit that one up the alley.

Prerequisite bomb off Tanaka..

Kahnle threw 2 innings with low a Charleston tonight. Not a great line- 3 hits, including a HR- no walks 2 Ks.

At least he apparently came out healthy. Another piece of the puzzle nears a return.

makes no sense

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makes no sense

Her boobs are so prime though. She really is very pretty, I used to think she was just ... big. But she's really grown on me a lot and I like her.

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Man, Yankee tickets are HOTTTTT!!! Right now! I just did a search for Sunday against the Angels and it's $100 + for all half decent seat. $45+ jut to have the worst bleacher seat!

Definitely will wait for more home games and lower prices . But I have to admit, it's GREAT to see Sunday tickets selling for $100+ and probly selling out 50k seats , even last season you could find the $6 grand stand seat..

Season ticket holders are probly very happy

Neil Walker blasts a SHOT!!!!

Walker doesn't want to be let go...

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Totally on purpose. Colon even gave the look like , Yup, that's right Grandson.

On the ass at least.

Colon has insane control. 2 outs, Walker just hit a bomb, Torres hit a bomb 2 innings ago.

One of their guys needs to get plunked later if its a blowout

Colon never misses by that much.

After Gleyber homered and immediately after Walker homered...Hmm

I wouldn't even retaliate ...

Was a very very clean HBP and Bartolo is a funny guy

Goodness sorry. Be back later

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Colon never misses by that much.

Yeah, that far behind? Had to be on purpose. And to what end.?

This isn�t Boston and Colon at least went about it the right way

when Colon started playing

Tie game.

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Tie game.

He is brutal. Fastball nowhere to be found.

awful. Letting garbage players beat him.

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Tied at 4

knee into that pitch.

sucks...he has a dead arm. throws meatballs.

as i have said 1000000 times, we need a pitcher if we want to compete come playoff time.

tanaka, gray and CC are shaky at best

he may not finish this inning.

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as i have said 1000000 times,

Wow, must be out of breath...

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In comment 13970721 BleedBlue said: Quote: as i have said 1000000 times, Wow, must be out of breath...

haha, sorta! I wish Cash would listen!

all jokes aside, dont want them to rush into anything, but we have to move some of this offensive fire power for an arm, it would be nice to have two strong arms who can be relied on

Into the grass batters eye in dead center

Now let's pour it on this fat fuck.

gonna plunk now?

With those that say we need another pitcher to win in the post season. We don't have enough quality starting pitching to beat Houston IMO.

but JUDGE!!!!

FU to being plunked.....Torres to Judge land...

What a beautiful �fuck you� from Gleyber

I love this kid.

to fight him. Must be ungodly strong...

Torres with the KO

Up your ass, Bart.

with a .972 OPS is absolutely unheard of. It just doesn't happen, EVER. I don't care if this is a small sample. Btw, he is listed as weighing 175. Not possible.

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That must have been awesome to see. I didn't think they were gonna Trot Bart out there in the 6th and stepped outside.. oh well lol, good to know

Great to see Didi get a RBI and a double though , will be great if he gets going also now !

more to fall in to break out of his slump.

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well ... guess I jinxed Sanchez there

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Didn't realize it was a .179 hitter doing that. Clown.

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with a .972 OPS is absolutely unheard of. It just doesn't happen, EVER. I don't care if this is a small sample. Btw, he is listed as weighing 175. Not possible.

Think Mantle was about that weight when he hit the 56 in '56. But he was 25...

Lots of Yankees fans here.

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Lots of Yankees fans here.

Hope you brought your glove. Lots of souvenirs tonight.

This time he showed up the ump a bit.

The Yankees need to start raising HOLY hell about this

on 3-1. Does that way to often. Wonder if he is a guess hitter.

In comment 13970796 Greg from LI said:

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The Yankees need to start raising HOLY hell about this

Agree. I know Judge is not the type to get thrown out of games and neither is Boone really, but one of them should get in the ump's face a bit.

In comment 13970796 Greg from LI said:

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The Yankees need to start raising HOLY hell about this

That one was pretty close, too close to take, may actually have been a strike.

The calls on Judge have actually gotten worse since last season.

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The calls on Judge have actually gotten worse since last season.

I believe it.

As the ump calls ball 4 for Mazzara on one that would have been a strike to Judge....

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In comment 13970796 Greg from LI said: Quote: The Yankees need to start raising HOLY hell about this That one was pretty close, too close to take, may actually have been a strike.

Baloney. It was low and outside. If he doesn't get that call sometimes, fine, but he gets the short end of borderline calls most of the time and has his entire career to date, even against a garbage nobody pitcher like Chavez.

Judge

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In comment 13970800 section125 said: Quote: In comment 13970796 Greg from LI said: Quote: The Yankees need to start raising HOLY hell about this That one was pretty close, too close to take, may actually have been a strike. Baloney. It was low and outside. If he doesn't get that call sometimes, fine, but he gets the short end of borderline calls most of the time and has his entire career to date, even against a garbage nobody pitcher like Chavez.

The K-zone showed it well over the plate and it touched the bottom line. You exaggerate worse than I do. I'd bet that if they had the side view it crossed the front knee. Of all the bad called strikes, that was not a bad one.

man the ball flys out of that place when it gets warm

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"Like a good Gleyber, Torres is there."

I find Sterling insufferable, but that's not bad.

very scary.

1st time in history of Yanks with 4 or more HRs 3 games in a row and also 1st time with 8 or more extra base hits 3 games in a row.....(IIRC)

you're raking...

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Lots of Yankees fans here.

If you don't mind, could you possibly go around the stadium and count exactly how many Yankee fans are there tonight. Also have you been to Yankee games there before? Or Red Sox games there? I'd like to know the split of fans compared to previous years and compared to when the Red Sox are there, thanks in advance

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"Like a good Gleyber, Torres is there." I find Sterling insufferable, but that's not bad.

I didn�t think �Gleyber Day� was bad either...but good to know he never stops working on his...craft...

His Stanton nonsense is still insufferable

is throwing goose eggs..."what hath God wrought"

That escalated quickly.

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we shall see. Hamels may be for sale later this year.

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his career fell apart about getting injured in that no hit start in Texas. Such high hopes for him

Best record in baseball. Gleyber is going to be a star.

...home town discount at $22 Million.

Need another bonafide starter.

BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS BEGIN.

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we shall see. Hamels may be for sale later this year.

Sellers market for pitchers too...not too many established aces/#2 starters on bad teams other than Hamels, Archer (Tampa Bay) and Fulmer in Detroit (and I can�t see DET trading Fuller for anything short of a kings ransom...)

Archer is in the AL East so the Yankees might have to pay a �Yankee tax� so that leaves Hamels, who is a free agent after this season because his $24M vesting option won�t come into effect. He won�t pitch 400 innings combined in 2017-2018 and his $20M team option for 2019 would have to be fully taken on. Since Hamels would only cost $8M as a pure rental at the deadline, Texas could get quite a bit for him as several NL teams (Philly, Atlanta, STL, possibly even NYM if they�re still in contention) would make that deal

Any team looking at him as a pure rental would not have to take that on, making Texas� trade position as good as it will get on July 31. Hamels as an $8M pitcher for a potential WS is a bargain that a lot of teams would consider. Also, Texas can simply choose to attempt a reload with this big free agency class while keeping Hamels for 2019 so they still have a little leverage

Big names, small production the past few years. Not worth bothering. Fuller would be a nice pickup but Detroit's asking price is likely to be very high.

real difference maker, not just another guy. They have internal solutions that can be what Hamels is now. Monty coming back soon, Sheffield pitching again this week. Adams has looked good recently, Swanson is moving up to AAA.

*Thank God one finally fell for Didi. After he smoked that liner right at DeShields in the 1st I thought he might never get a hit. But he's still stellar in the field regardless. And so athletic! Did you see him jump on that delayed steal?!

*is Tanaka saving it for late in the year and post-season, or is this what he is?

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Any team looking at him as a pure rental would not have to take that on, making Texas� trade position as good as it will get on July 31. Hamels as an $8M pitcher for a potential WS is a bargain that a lot of teams would consider. Also, Texas can simply choose to attempt a reload with this big free agency class while keeping Hamels for 2019 so they still have a little leverage

Texas is not a couple players away. Their rotation's average age is mid-30's (no, not an exaggeration) and offensively they've got a handful of stalwarts (Andrus, who is hurt, Mazara and Beltre) and a number of very talented but unproven kids. Meanwhile the Astros may be the most complete team in baseball and could stay elite for 2-3 years. The "threat" to hold onto Hamels and contend next year is hollow.

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*is Tanaka saving it for late in the year and post-season, or is this what he is?

I don't know what he is doing, but I think that partial tear in the UCL is in his head. FB is barely 91 and on occasion 93/94.
He has a lot of pitches but they are all starting to look the same. It also seems when he wants to dial up the FB, you can see him do it - really reach for it. But the split and FB are the same speed 89-91 mph.

At least Gray can get to 95 and sits 93/94 plus his ball moves around quite a bit.

homers from last night.
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In comment 13970909 Victor in CT said: Quote: *is Tanaka saving it for late in the year and post-season, or is this what he is? I don't know what he is doing, but I think that partial tear in the UCL is in his head. FB is barely 91 and on occasion 93/94. He has a lot of pitches but they are all starting to look the same. It also seems when he wants to dial up the FB, you can see him do it - really reach for it. But the split and FB are the same speed 89-91 mph. At least Gray can get to 95 and sits 93/94 plus his ball moves around quite a bit.

All true. Gray's problem isn't stuff, it's focus and confidence. If he works at a pace and doesn't nibble, just let's it flow, he can be a factor. Hopefully Sunday was the turning point.

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Big names, small production the past few years. Not worth bothering. Fuller would be a nice pickup but Detroit's asking price is likely to be very high.

Disagree about Hamels. He's had one bad year - last year, and he was still serviceable and had a 112 ERA+ - but otherwise has been a sub-4 ERA guy even as he's aged. He also plays in a bandbox. He's a solid 3 you could feel comfortable pitching twice in a 7, maybe even twice in a 5 game series. Archer's hype, by contrast, has always been as much projection as production, and as he turns 30 this year it's time to acknowledge that what you see is what you get. Career 106 ERA+, ERA over 4, a bit homer-prone.

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In comment 13970829 bceagle05 said: Quote: . his career fell apart about getting injured in that no hit start in Texas. Such high hopes for him

You know, an old boss of mine who is close to the Yanks said that back in 2009. That the Yanks were even worried about that. He never seemed to have the same confidence after that.

But his peripherals aren't great. Homer-prone (yeah, Texas is a bandbox, but it's not as if YS suppresses homers), high WHIP, FIP of 4.81.

I just don't see him as much of an upgrade, and I wouldn't give up much to get him.

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In comment 13970838 Dave in PA said: Quote: In comment 13970829 bceagle05 said: Quote: . his career fell apart about getting injured in that no hit start in Texas. Such high hopes for him You know, an old boss of mine who is close to the Yanks said that back in 2009. That the Yanks were even worried about that. He never seemed to have the same confidence after that.

He had a live arm and good command of his pitches, but his FB had no moment, and he didn't try (or was unable) to change that. ML hitters feast on FBs that have no movement, which is why Phil has given up so many long balls

Of the names mentioned over the past couple of months, only a healthy Bumgarner intrigues me. He�s a franchise icon though - I doubt they move him unless they�re completely out of it and he asks for a trade.

so any team that trades for him has his prorated salary this year about 6M plus at least 6M more next year or 20M if they exercise the option. He'll be 35 next year. If the Yankees trade for him it won't be for much. His value isn't that great. He also has the Yankees on his no trade list for leverage.

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Of the names mentioned over the past couple of months, only a healthy Bumgarner intrigues me. He�s a franchise icon though - I doubt they move him unless they�re completely out of it and he asks for a trade.

And their trading spree in the offseason suggests they're not willing to do that. They have no farm to speak of, easily a bottom 5 org, and they traded what little they did have for Cutch and Longo in the hope that they could win in the next year or two before Posey and Bumgardner decline and they have to pay the piper.

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In comment 13970899 Greg from LI said: Quote: Big names, small production the past few years. Not worth bothering. Fuller would be a nice pickup but Detroit's asking price is likely to be very high. Disagree about Hamels. He's had one bad year - last year, and he was still serviceable and had a 112 ERA+ - but otherwise has been a sub-4 ERA guy even as he's aged. He also plays in a bandbox. He's a solid 3 you could feel comfortable pitching twice in a 7, maybe even twice in a 5 game series. Archer's hype, by contrast, has always been as much projection as production, and as he turns 30 this year it's time to acknowledge that what you see is what you get. Career 106 ERA+, ERA over 4, a bit homer-prone.

Yankee Stadium is a band box too. I wouldn't give anything of value for Hamels.

As for Archer, I agree with you, that ship has sailed. When they hit 30, you're no longer getting potential, you're getting a disappointment

But on the surface, there just don't seem to be any great candidates. Fulmer is probably the best one in terms of availability and ability, but I'm not sure how much I'd trade for him. I mean, who else are potential candidates? Tyson Ross? Doubt they want to roll the dice on him staying healthy and effective. Most of the teams who are completely out of the playoff picture have nothing worth trading for.

Yes, he's young, controllable and throws gas, BUT: New Tiger Stadium is cavernous, even with the fence being brought in. Yankee Stadium is a bandbox, and can be hazardous for righty pitchers without precise command.

Also, add in that he's never been in a pennant race or expected to win. If there is one plus for the home grown candidates, it's that they are all immersed in the "Yankee way" and the expectations that go along with it. Who knows how a young guy like him would react to being the "final piece"?

ERA, hits/9, BB/9, WHIP, HR/9 all rising since 2016.
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I'm just not sure Fulmer is better than merely "good". Would he improve the rotation? Sure, but by how much I don't know, and the price is likely to be pretty high.

The Yankees aren't a team whose window is going to be closing any time soon. They don't HAVE to make a deal for a big name pitcher this year if the price isn't right, and one of their prospects like Sheffield might push his way into the picture by the end of the season, too. I'm open to a deal for a starter, but only under the right conditions. No need to force anything.

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I'm just not sure Fulmer is better than merely "good". Would he improve the rotation? Sure, but by how much I don't know, and the price is likely to be pretty high. The Yankees aren't a team whose window is going to be closing any time soon. They don't HAVE to make a deal for a big name pitcher this year if the price isn't right, and one of their prospects like Sheffield might push his way into the picture by the end of the season, too. I'm open to a deal for a starter, but only under the right conditions. No need to force anything.

Yep. Agree completely.

a trade for as noted. Fulmer is it, and even he I am skeptical about. I mentioned this yesterday, but I am kind of fine with them going all in with their offense. Their are more than one way to skin a cat, yes they can use a frontline SP to pair next to Sevy, but you can't make one appear the market. This Yankee Offense is breaking records, and they are not even at full strength yet! Tanaka is better than what he has shown, he has been a little streaky, and I'm hopeful that Gray can gain some more consistency. Hope some of the AAA guys and Monty can come back up and help fill things out. I know playoff time you want that veteran SP, but I don't see one coming in right now out of what is likely to be available that is going to be better than Tanaka and CC anyways. Hope some feelers start becoming clearer in the coming weeks, but I'm enjoying this team right now, and would be really hesitant to disrupt the long term offensive juggernaut that this team can construct itself as for a long time.

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But on the surface, there just don't seem to be any great candidates. Fulmer is probably the best one in terms of availability and ability, but I'm not sure how much I'd trade for him. I mean, who else are potential candidates? Tyson Ross? Doubt they want to roll the dice on him staying healthy and effective. Most of the teams who are completely out of the playoff picture have nothing worth trading for.

I was thinking Tyson Ross. Yankees and Padres love to trade with eachother (see: Solarte and Headley deals).

I'd like to wait to see if someone like Hamels or Fulmer can turn it around before the deadline... there's still some time.

Also, from a little further up in this thread... Neil Walker's contract is definitely tradable - oversight on my part. I don't know why I thought it was different. That's good news, though.

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a trade for as noted. Fulmer is it, and even he I am skeptical about. I mentioned this yesterday, but I am kind of fine with them going all in with their offense. Their are more than one way to skin a cat, yes they can use a frontline SP to pair next to Sevy, but you can't make one appear the market. This Yankee Offense is breaking records, and they are not even at full strength yet! Tanaka is better than what he has shown, he has been a little streaky, and I'm hopeful that Gray can gain some more consistency. Hope some of the AAA guys and Monty can come back up and help fill things out. I know playoff time you want that veteran SP, but I don't see one coming in right now out of what is likely to be available that is going to be better than Tanaka and CC anyways. Hope some feelers start becoming clearer in the coming weeks, but I'm enjoying this team right now, and would be really hesitant to disrupt the long term offensive juggernaut that this team can construct itself as for a long time.

Can't disagree. Sure would like someone who could help straighten out Tanaka. He fell off the cliff last year and is worse now. Sad.

This is the Yankees best start since 1998. The closest to it since was 2002 when they won their 46th game to get to 31-15. The 1998 team got their 31st win in their 41st game, 31-10.

Now, to match the 1998 team, the Yankees just have to go 34-7 over the next 41 games to hit the 1998 high water mark for winning percentage, .764 (65-20) :)

After 10 starts this year, his ERA is 4.95. Last year after 10 starts, it was 5.86.

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Now, to match the 1998 team, the Yankees just have to go 34-7 over the next 41 games to hit the 1998 high water mark for winning percentage, .764 (65-20) :)

I would not put it past them.....Sanchez is not hitting his norm(but productive non the less); Bird isn't back; Didi is slumping; Judge is off this week; Stanton just starting to get hot..

They do face the Angels and Astros in back to back series starting end of this week, but both at home. After that, some bad teams in the Os, Tigers, and Jays. The Mets don't scare me at all. Rays and Mariners, meh. Three game set in Philly could be interesting, we'll see if the Phillies are still playing well by then. Same thing with the Braves, who follow the Red Sox in a six game July homestand.

Yeah we have a lot of possibilities in the minors, but it'd be nice to see someone healthy and producing, ready to step in if needed. Sheff will hopefully be back soon, Adams had a great last start but needs to be consistent.

Unfortunately, on the trade market, most of the clear sellers have terrible rotations and most of the healthy aces are already pitching for competitive teams (or are just not going to be traded). We should see some movement as teams fall out of it, but that's likely to be in ones and twos and with pitchers who rate as good but not great, and some not even particularly good. And a lot of teams will be chasing those few starting pitchers, be it Patrick Corbin (if healthy), Cole Hamels, Michael Fulmer, Chris Archer, etc etc.

how incredible Gleyber Torres has been through his first 25 games:

.321 AVG
.389 OBP
.961 OPS
6 HR
18 RBI

Aside from one bad game, he's looked like a Cano/Alomar hybrid at second base and has a Jeterian flair for the dramatic. And he's 21 years old. What an incredible trade by Cashman.

.292/.427/.667 in 15 May games.

We're gonna have seven games against the Astros under our belts before the Sawx play them at all.

Arizona is collapsing right now, and if they don't right the ship by the ASB they might be very open to dealing Corbin as a rental, and Corbin has made it clear how much he'd like to go to the Yankees.

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Arizona is collapsing right now, and if they don't right the ship by the ASB they might be very open to dealing Corbin as a rental, and Corbin has made it clear how much he'd like to go to the Yankees.

Corbin's FB velocity is down significantly in May. He is still getting outs, but that screams injury which is unsettling for a guy with his injury history.

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how incredible Gleyber Torres has been through his first 25 games: .321 AVG .389 OBP .961 OPS 6 HR 18 RBI Aside from one bad game, he's looked like a Cano/Alomar hybrid at second base and has a Jeterian flair for the dramatic. And he's 21 years old. What an incredible trade by Cashman.

Pros have off days - happens. He sometimes appears to be nonchalant with his fielding (like Robbie), but that is probably because he is soooooo smooth.
I still cannot see where the power comes from. But Mattingly was only 5"11 185 and he could mash.

Looking at PitchFX, you're right, he's dropped about three ticks off his fastball. Definitely not a good sign.

and he's 5'9" 180

it's the first time in 3 years he has a sub-4.00 ERA. Like most of the available pitchers, he has his +s and -s. I wouldn't give up too much for him either. I would deal for him before Hamels though. He's 28 not 34, won't bust this years payroll ceiling and if he didn't produce they could let him walk for nothing.

So as a pure rental, the price shouldn't be as steep, but there could be some heavy competition.

IF he's healthy.

walks,

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and he's 5'9" 180

I dislike Betts for obvious reasons, but he has had a phenomenal year. His 2017 form was a very valuable ballplayer but I thought (quite reasonably) he was topped out.

He's a much better hitter than I thought he was.

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Arizona is collapsing right now, and if they don't right the ship by the ASB they might be very open to dealing Corbin as a rental, and Corbin has made it clear how much he'd like to go to the Yankees.

He's a great target.

but man would it be something to add him to our rotation.

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Is Max Scherzer.

If the Nats keep sucking.. maybe we can give them a nice haul of young guys (no Torres) and help each other out...

That's what we need to do if we target a SP. not another sonny Gray type

It's another Ace or might as well take our chances with what we have

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Is Max Scherzer. If the Nats keep sucking.. maybe we can give them a nice haul of young guys (no Torres) and help each other out... That's what we need to do if we target a SP. not another sonny Gray type It's another Ace or might as well take our chances with what we have

Scherzer is an ace and the arguably the best pitcher in baseball. No way the Nats trade him

A team that's in playoff contention and is probably losing their superstar oufielder after the season is going to wave the white flag and trade their ace? Sharp analysis there.

And are very much going to be a playoff contender and most likely win that division. They aren't trading their ace.

If they somehow get to 10 under .500 they might shop him

He's the guy we need though.

I agree Bumgarner isn't going anywhere , neither will Kershaw

Torres being untouchable? If he isn�t, under what circumstances would he be moved?

I�m pretty damn close to him being untouchable. As great as it would be to win a championship this year, he�s a long term piece at a fairly premium position. My guess is he�s completely off the table.

decide to blow it up. Right now they're .500 with an old team.

I'd guess that next year they do blow it up and Bumgarner will be in his walk year and is far more likely to be traded then.

But if he's healthy, he's exactly what the Yanks need. A guy you can feel good about handing the ball in an elimination game.

He's already on the verge of becoming a superstar at 21 years old.

is untouchable, yes.

The untouchables in order: (IMO)
Severino
Judge
Torres

not yet:
Andujar
Bird

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Torres being untouchable? If he isn�t, under what circumstances would he be moved? I�m pretty damn close to him being untouchable. As great as it would be to win a championship this year, he�s a long term piece at a fairly premium position. My guess is he�s completely off the table.

Torres isn't going anywhere. Unless George Stenbrenner rises from the dead, trades like that aren't happening anymore.

He would have been gone already. Almost every potential trade they pursued in the past year had teams asking for him. You can pencil his name in the lineup card for the next decade-plus.

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is untouchable, yes. The untouchables in order: (IMO) Severino Judge Torres not yet: Andujar Bird

Bird is probably more untradeable than untouchable for the moment. He has to prove he can stay on the field.

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He would have been gone already. Almost every potential trade they pursued in the past year had teams asking for him. You can pencil his name in the lineup card for the next decade-plus.

Andujar too. I still think Frazier is the guy they are most willing to part with.

Andujar is probably a tier below. They like him and I'm sure they'd like to keep him, but if he was a sure thing they wouldn't have gone after Drury and his years of team control, intending him to be a 3B as well.

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Andujar is probably a tier below. They like him and I'm sure they'd like to keep him, but if he was a sure thing they wouldn't have gone after Drury and his years of team control, intending him to be a 3B as well.

ooops forgot the great Sanchizmo

With Sanchez.

Also if Andujar and Frazier are both traded , we all know the 2 FAs we could sign to fill their spots long term.

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is untouchable, yes. The untouchables in order: (IMO) Severino Judge Torres not yet: Andujar Bird

Not sure where you'd put Sanchez on that list, but imo he should be right up there with Sevy, Judge and Torres.

but it brings us back to the conversation about available starting pitching. He's too talented to trade for just a decent starter like Archer or Hamels, but he may not be good enough to headline a deal for Fullmer or Bumgarner. I think that's what saved him thus far - either the Yankees were unwilling to deal him for Cole, or the Pirates were unwilling to take him for Cole.

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but it brings us back to the conversation about available starting pitching. He's too talented to trade for just a decent starter like Archer or Hamels, but he may not be good enough to headline a deal for Fullmer or Bumgarner. I think that's what saved him thus far - either the Yankees were unwilling to deal him for Cole, or the Pirates were unwilling to take him for Cole.

Pirates wanted Andujar too. Cashman said no.

The other thing is that at some point they will be forced to move some guys because of the Rule 5 thing. I'm not up on the details, but I know you can't stash guys forever anymore.

The Yankees offered a package built around Frazier and Chance Adams, the Pirates asked for Torres, and that was pretty much that.

long-term he's an obvious trade candidate, but they're an injury away from him getting starter reps at the big league level. He's a much better defensive OF than Austin or Stanton, so were any of the starting three to miss time Frazier is the obvious choice to step in.

In comment 13971501 UConn4523 said:

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Torres being untouchable? If he isn�t, under what circumstances would he be moved? I�m pretty damn close to him being untouchable. As great as it would be to win a championship this year, he�s a long term piece at a fairly premium position. My guess is he�s completely off the table.

Torres was virtually untouchable last year even after his injury. Zero chance he's getting dealt after what he's done since joining the big club.

where Stanton and Frazier split the LF/DH duties, with Hicks and Judge in CF and RF. A lot of it comes down to Gardy - will they pick up his option? Do they decline it and re-sign him at a lower number if he has a decent season? I wouldn't think so, but the Yankees love him.

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where Stanton and Frazier split the LF/DH duties, with Hicks and Judge in CF and RF. A lot of it comes down to Gardy - will they pick up his option? Do they decline it and re-sign him at a lower number if he has a decent season? I wouldn't think so, but the Yankees love him.

Where are you seeing that the yanks hold an option on Gardner? I could be wrong but believe the contract is up at season�s end and he�s UFA.

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2015: $12 million 2016: $12 million 2017: $12 million 2018: $11 million 2019: $12.5 million club option with a $2 million buyout

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Spotrac is missing the option. Baseball reference agrees to you. $2m buyout on the option.

I can�t see them picking up the option.

Seems logical that if Frazier survives the year, he'd replace Gardner on the roster, but we'll see.

Next year's lineup could potentially be:

Torres
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Frazier
Hicks
Andujar/Drury

that $ is not necessarily excessive for a 450-500 PA outfielder who OPSes mid-.700s and plays good defense, and even with his minuscule BA and slugging he's still getting on base at a 35% clip. It's a young team and they've long viewed him as a "glue" guy.

In comment 13971577 Dunedin81 said:

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long-term he's an obvious trade candidate, but they're an injury away from him getting starter reps at the big league level. He's a much better defensive OF than Austin or Stanton, so were any of the starting three to miss time Frazier is the obvious choice to step in.

Not only that, but Gardy may be in his last year as a Yank, and Red Thunder should be the next guy up.

would want both to stay and be part of the future. I know Gardner has shown signs of life lately, but half a season of leadership and grit is no reason to get rid of Frazier. I mean, the man swings the bat like it�s a toothpick.

Wouldn't cost a ton (if there's no Yankee tax) to trade for and he's a FA after the season. He's put up great numbers against BOS since he went to the Jays.