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NFT: Yanks at Texas (plus some transaction news)

Beer Man : 5/21/2018 10:49 am
1. Tanaka vs. Colon. Will it be the 'Good Tanaka' or the 'Bad Tanaka'?

2. Greg Bird joins AAA-SWB today, may return to the Yanks later this week

3. Red Thunder optioned back to AAA-SWB. Evidently Hicks' awesome weekend at the plate was enough to send Clint down where he can continue to get his at bats while waiting for his shot.
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tomorrow is German vs. Hamels -  
Del Shofner : 5/21/2018 11:59 pm : link
we shall see. Hamels may be for sale later this year.
RE: Twins DFA Phil Hughes.  
Dave in PA : 5/22/2018 12:00 am : link
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his career fell apart about getting injured in that no hit start in Texas. Such high hopes for him
In first place all by ourselves.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/22/2018 1:14 am : link
Best record in baseball. Gleyber is going to be a star.
Masahiro Tanaka...  
M.S. : 5/22/2018 6:07 am : link

...home town discount at $22 Million.

Need another bonafide starter.

BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS BEGIN.
RE: tomorrow is German vs. Hamels -  
dpinzow : 5/22/2018 6:59 am : link
In comment 13970837 Del Shofner said:
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we shall see. Hamels may be for sale later this year.


Sellers market for pitchers too...not too many established aces/#2 starters on bad teams other than Hamels, Archer (Tampa Bay) and Fulmer in Detroit (and I can’t see DET trading Fuller for anything short of a kings ransom...)

Archer is in the AL East so the Yankees might have to pay a “Yankee tax” so that leaves Hamels, who is a free agent after this season because his $24M vesting option won’t come into effect. He won’t pitch 400 innings combined in 2017-2018 and his $20M team option for 2019 would have to be fully taken on. Since Hamels would only cost $8M as a pure rental at the deadline, Texas could get quite a bit for him as several NL teams (Philly, Atlanta, STL, possibly even NYM if they’re still in contention) would make that deal
Correction: since the 2019 season is a $20M team option for Hamels  
dpinzow : 5/22/2018 7:04 am : link
Any team looking at him as a pure rental would not have to take that on, making Texas’ trade position as good as it will get on July 31. Hamels as an $8M pitcher for a potential WS is a bargain that a lot of teams would consider. Also, Texas can simply choose to attempt a reload with this big free agency class while keeping Hamels for 2019 so they still have a little leverage
Hamels and Archer are mediocre at best now  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 8:17 am : link
Big names, small production the past few years. Not worth bothering. Fuller would be a nice pickup but Detroit's asking price is likely to be very high.
no thanks on Hamels. If they're going to make a deal, make it for a  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 8:30 am : link
real difference maker, not just another guy. They have internal solutions that can be what Hamels is now. Monty coming back soon, Sheffield pitching again this week. Adams has looked good recently, Swanson is moving up to AAA.

*Thank God one finally fell for Didi. After he smoked that liner right at DeShields in the 1st I thought he might never get a hit. But he's still stellar in the field regardless. And so athletic! Did you see him jump on that delayed steal?!

*is Tanaka saving it for late in the year and post-season, or is this what he is?
RE: Correction: since the 2019 season is a $20M team option for Hamels  
Dunedin81 : 5/22/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 13970866 dpinzow said:
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Any team looking at him as a pure rental would not have to take that on, making Texas’ trade position as good as it will get on July 31. Hamels as an $8M pitcher for a potential WS is a bargain that a lot of teams would consider. Also, Texas can simply choose to attempt a reload with this big free agency class while keeping Hamels for 2019 so they still have a little leverage


Texas is not a couple players away. Their rotation's average age is mid-30's (no, not an exaggeration) and offensively they've got a handful of stalwarts (Andrus, who is hurt, Mazara and Beltre) and a number of very talented but unproven kids. Meanwhile the Astros may be the most complete team in baseball and could stay elite for 2-3 years. The "threat" to hold onto Hamels and contend next year is hollow.
RE: no thanks on Hamels. If they're going to make a deal, make it for a  
section125 : 5/22/2018 8:45 am : link
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*is Tanaka saving it for late in the year and post-season, or is this what he is?


I don't know what he is doing, but I think that partial tear in the UCL is in his head. FB is barely 91 and on occasion 93/94.
He has a lot of pitches but they are all starting to look the same. It also seems when he wants to dial up the FB, you can see him do it - really reach for it. But the split and FB are the same speed 89-91 mph.

At least Gray can get to 95 and sits 93/94 plus his ball moves around quite a bit.
Frazier & Bird  
Professor Falken : 5/22/2018 8:47 am : link
homers from last night.
HRs - ( New Window )
RE: RE: no thanks on Hamels. If they're going to make a deal, make it for a  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 8:48 am : link
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*is Tanaka saving it for late in the year and post-season, or is this what he is?



I don't know what he is doing, but I think that partial tear in the UCL is in his head. FB is barely 91 and on occasion 93/94.
He has a lot of pitches but they are all starting to look the same. It also seems when he wants to dial up the FB, you can see him do it - really reach for it. But the split and FB are the same speed 89-91 mph.

At least Gray can get to 95 and sits 93/94 plus his ball moves around quite a bit.


All true. Gray's problem isn't stuff, it's focus and confidence. If he works at a pace and doesn't nibble, just let's it flow, he can be a factor. Hopefully Sunday was the turning point.
RE: Hamels and Archer are mediocre at best now  
Dunedin81 : 5/22/2018 8:51 am : link
In comment 13970899 Greg from LI said:
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Big names, small production the past few years. Not worth bothering. Fuller would be a nice pickup but Detroit's asking price is likely to be very high.


Disagree about Hamels. He's had one bad year - last year, and he was still serviceable and had a 112 ERA+ - but otherwise has been a sub-4 ERA guy even as he's aged. He also plays in a bandbox. He's a solid 3 you could feel comfortable pitching twice in a 7, maybe even twice in a 5 game series. Archer's hype, by contrast, has always been as much projection as production, and as he turns 30 this year it's time to acknowledge that what you see is what you get. Career 106 ERA+, ERA over 4, a bit homer-prone.
RE: RE: Twins DFA Phil Hughes.  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 8:51 am : link
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his career fell apart about getting injured in that no hit start in Texas. Such high hopes for him


You know, an old boss of mine who is close to the Yanks said that back in 2009. That the Yanks were even worried about that. He never seemed to have the same confidence after that.
Hamels' numbers this year look ok on the surface  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 9:29 am : link
But his peripherals aren't great. Homer-prone (yeah, Texas is a bandbox, but it's not as if YS suppresses homers), high WHIP, FIP of 4.81.

I just don't see him as much of an upgrade, and I wouldn't give up much to get him.
RE: RE: RE: Twins DFA Phil Hughes.  
Beer Man : 5/22/2018 9:44 am : link
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his career fell apart about getting injured in that no hit start in Texas. Such high hopes for him



You know, an old boss of mine who is close to the Yanks said that back in 2009. That the Yanks were even worried about that. He never seemed to have the same confidence after that.
He had a live arm and good command of his pitches, but his FB had no moment, and he didn't try (or was unable) to change that. ML hitters feast on FBs that have no movement, which is why Phil has given up so many long balls
Yeah, the pitching market looks pretty sparse.  
bceagle05 : 5/22/2018 9:46 am : link
Of the names mentioned over the past couple of months, only a healthy Bumgarner intrigues me. He’s a franchise icon though - I doubt they move him unless they’re completely out of it and he asks for a trade.
Hamels has a 6M buyout on that 20M option  
arniefez : 5/22/2018 10:03 am : link
so any team that trades for him has his prorated salary this year about 6M plus at least 6M more next year or 20M if they exercise the option. He'll be 35 next year. If the Yankees trade for him it won't be for much. His value isn't that great. He also has the Yankees on his no trade list for leverage.
RE: Yeah, the pitching market looks pretty sparse.  
Dunedin81 : 5/22/2018 10:08 am : link
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Of the names mentioned over the past couple of months, only a healthy Bumgarner intrigues me. He’s a franchise icon though - I doubt they move him unless they’re completely out of it and he asks for a trade.


And their trading spree in the offseason suggests they're not willing to do that. They have no farm to speak of, easily a bottom 5 org, and they traded what little they did have for Cutch and Longo in the hope that they could win in the next year or two before Posey and Bumgardner decline and they have to pay the piper.
RE: RE: Hamels and Archer are mediocre at best now  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 10:23 am : link
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Big names, small production the past few years. Not worth bothering. Fuller would be a nice pickup but Detroit's asking price is likely to be very high.



Disagree about Hamels. He's had one bad year - last year, and he was still serviceable and had a 112 ERA+ - but otherwise has been a sub-4 ERA guy even as he's aged. He also plays in a bandbox. He's a solid 3 you could feel comfortable pitching twice in a 7, maybe even twice in a 5 game series. Archer's hype, by contrast, has always been as much projection as production, and as he turns 30 this year it's time to acknowledge that what you see is what you get. Career 106 ERA+, ERA over 4, a bit homer-prone.


Yankee Stadium is a band box too. I wouldn't give anything of value for Hamels.

As for Archer, I agree with you, that ship has sailed. When they hit 30, you're no longer getting potential, you're getting a disappointment
you never know who will get shopped  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 10:49 am : link
But on the surface, there just don't seem to be any great candidates. Fulmer is probably the best one in terms of availability and ability, but I'm not sure how much I'd trade for him. I mean, who else are potential candidates? Tyson Ross? Doubt they want to roll the dice on him staying healthy and effective. Most of the teams who are completely out of the playoff picture have nothing worth trading for.
interesting comment on Fulmer, Greg. I was thinking about that too.  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 10:55 am : link
Yes, he's young, controllable and throws gas, BUT: New Tiger Stadium is cavernous, even with the fence being brought in. Yankee Stadium is a bandbox, and can be hazardous for righty pitchers without precise command.

Also, add in that he's never been in a pennant race or expected to win. If there is one plus for the home grown candidates, it's that they are all immersed in the "Yankee way" and the expectations that go along with it. Who knows how a young guy like him would react to being the "final piece"?
also re Fulmer, his numbers are trending the wrong way  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 11:01 am : link
ERA, hits/9, BB/9, WHIP, HR/9 all rising since 2016.
Michael Fulmer stats - ( New Window )
agreed  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 11:07 am : link
I'm just not sure Fulmer is better than merely "good". Would he improve the rotation? Sure, but by how much I don't know, and the price is likely to be pretty high.

The Yankees aren't a team whose window is going to be closing any time soon. They don't HAVE to make a deal for a big name pitcher this year if the price isn't right, and one of their prospects like Sheffield might push his way into the picture by the end of the season, too. I'm open to a deal for a starter, but only under the right conditions. No need to force anything.
RE: agreed  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13971113 Greg from LI said:
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I'm just not sure Fulmer is better than merely "good". Would he improve the rotation? Sure, but by how much I don't know, and the price is likely to be pretty high.

The Yankees aren't a team whose window is going to be closing any time soon. They don't HAVE to make a deal for a big name pitcher this year if the price isn't right, and one of their prospects like Sheffield might push his way into the picture by the end of the season, too. I'm open to a deal for a starter, but only under the right conditions. No need to force anything.


Yep. Agree completely.
Right now I just don't see any SP candidates that are worth making  
beatrixkiddo : 5/22/2018 11:18 am : link
a trade for as noted. Fulmer is it, and even he I am skeptical about. I mentioned this yesterday, but I am kind of fine with them going all in with their offense. Their are more than one way to skin a cat, yes they can use a frontline SP to pair next to Sevy, but you can't make one appear the market. This Yankee Offense is breaking records, and they are not even at full strength yet! Tanaka is better than what he has shown, he has been a little streaky, and I'm hopeful that Gray can gain some more consistency. Hope some of the AAA guys and Monty can come back up and help fill things out. I know playoff time you want that veteran SP, but I don't see one coming in right now out of what is likely to be available that is going to be better than Tanaka and CC anyways. Hope some feelers start becoming clearer in the coming weeks, but I'm enjoying this team right now, and would be really hesitant to disrupt the long term offensive juggernaut that this team can construct itself as for a long time.
RE: you never know who will get shopped  
AJ23 : 5/22/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13971091 Greg from LI said:
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But on the surface, there just don't seem to be any great candidates. Fulmer is probably the best one in terms of availability and ability, but I'm not sure how much I'd trade for him. I mean, who else are potential candidates? Tyson Ross? Doubt they want to roll the dice on him staying healthy and effective. Most of the teams who are completely out of the playoff picture have nothing worth trading for.


I was thinking Tyson Ross. Yankees and Padres love to trade with eachother (see: Solarte and Headley deals).

I'd like to wait to see if someone like Hamels or Fulmer can turn it around before the deadline... there's still some time.

Also, from a little further up in this thread... Neil Walker's contract is definitely tradable - oversight on my part. I don't know why I thought it was different. That's good news, though.
RE: Right now I just don't see any SP candidates that are worth making  
Percy : 5/22/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13971133 beatrixkiddo said:
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a trade for as noted. Fulmer is it, and even he I am skeptical about. I mentioned this yesterday, but I am kind of fine with them going all in with their offense. Their are more than one way to skin a cat, yes they can use a frontline SP to pair next to Sevy, but you can't make one appear the market. This Yankee Offense is breaking records, and they are not even at full strength yet! Tanaka is better than what he has shown, he has been a little streaky, and I'm hopeful that Gray can gain some more consistency. Hope some of the AAA guys and Monty can come back up and help fill things out. I know playoff time you want that veteran SP, but I don't see one coming in right now out of what is likely to be available that is going to be better than Tanaka and CC anyways. Hope some feelers start becoming clearer in the coming weeks, but I'm enjoying this team right now, and would be really hesitant to disrupt the long term offensive juggernaut that this team can construct itself as for a long time.

Can't disagree. Sure would like someone who could help straighten out Tanaka. He fell off the cliff last year and is worse now. Sad.
anyway, fun fact  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 11:40 am : link
This is the Yankees best start since 1998. The closest to it since was 2002 when they won their 46th game to get to 31-15. The 1998 team got their 31st win in their 41st game, 31-10.

Now, to match the 1998 team, the Yankees just have to go 34-7 over the next 41 games to hit the 1998 high water mark for winning percentage, .764 (65-20) :)
actually, Tanaka is not worse than he was this time last year  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 11:43 am : link
After 10 starts this year, his ERA is 4.95. Last year after 10 starts, it was 5.86.
RE: anyway, fun fact  
section125 : 5/22/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 13971167 Greg from LI said:
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Now, to match the 1998 team, the Yankees just have to go 34-7 over the next 41 games to hit the 1998 high water mark for winning percentage, .764 (65-20) :)


I would not put it past them.....Sanchez is not hitting his norm(but productive non the less); Bird isn't back; Didi is slumping; Judge is off this week; Stanton just starting to get hot..
schedule is pretty favorable for the next 40 or so  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 11:51 am : link
They do face the Angels and Astros in back to back series starting end of this week, but both at home. After that, some bad teams in the Os, Tigers, and Jays. The Mets don't scare me at all. Rays and Mariners, meh. Three game set in Philly could be interesting, we'll see if the Phillies are still playing well by then. Same thing with the Braves, who follow the Red Sox in a six game July homestand.
It's a weird market...  
Dunedin81 : 5/22/2018 11:53 am : link
Yeah we have a lot of possibilities in the minors, but it'd be nice to see someone healthy and producing, ready to step in if needed. Sheff will hopefully be back soon, Adams had a great last start but needs to be consistent.

Unfortunately, on the trade market, most of the clear sellers have terrible rotations and most of the healthy aces are already pitching for competitive teams (or are just not going to be traded). We should see some movement as teams fall out of it, but that's likely to be in ones and twos and with pitchers who rate as good but not great, and some not even particularly good. And a lot of teams will be chasing those few starting pitchers, be it Patrick Corbin (if healthy), Cole Hamels, Michael Fulmer, Chris Archer, etc etc.
Just feel like reiterating  
bceagle05 : 5/22/2018 11:54 am : link
how incredible Gleyber Torres has been through his first 25 games:

.321 AVG
.389 OBP
.961 OPS
6 HR
18 RBI

Aside from one bad game, he's looked like a Cano/Alomar hybrid at second base and has a Jeterian flair for the dramatic. And he's 21 years old. What an incredible trade by Cashman.
I think it's safe to say Gary is finally hot  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 11:54 am : link
.292/.427/.667 in 15 May games.
Sawx schedule has been far more favorable to this point.  
bceagle05 : 5/22/2018 11:56 am : link
We're gonna have seven games against the Astros under our belts before the Sawx play them at all.
Corbin might be an interesting case  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 11:59 am : link
Arizona is collapsing right now, and if they don't right the ship by the ASB they might be very open to dealing Corbin as a rental, and Corbin has made it clear how much he'd like to go to the Yankees.
RE: Corbin might be an interesting case  
Dunedin81 : 5/22/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13971194 Greg from LI said:
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Arizona is collapsing right now, and if they don't right the ship by the ASB they might be very open to dealing Corbin as a rental, and Corbin has made it clear how much he'd like to go to the Yankees.


Corbin's FB velocity is down significantly in May. He is still getting outs, but that screams injury which is unsettling for a guy with his injury history.
RE: Just feel like reiterating  
section125 : 5/22/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13971184 bceagle05 said:
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how incredible Gleyber Torres has been through his first 25 games:

.321 AVG
.389 OBP
.961 OPS
6 HR
18 RBI

Aside from one bad game, he's looked like a Cano/Alomar hybrid at second base and has a Jeterian flair for the dramatic. And he's 21 years old. What an incredible trade by Cashman.


Pros have off days - happens. He sometimes appears to be nonchalant with his fielding (like Robbie), but that is probably because he is soooooo smooth.
I still cannot see where the power comes from. But Mattingly was only 5"11 185 and he could mash.
hmmm...didn't know that  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 12:06 pm : link
Looking at PitchFX, you're right, he's dropped about three ticks off his fastball. Definitely not a good sign.
Mookie Betts is tied for the league lead in homers at the moment  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 12:07 pm : link
and he's 5'9" 180
Corbin intriguing, but he isn't a no brainer.  
Victor in CT : 5/22/2018 12:12 pm : link
it's the first time in 3 years he has a sub-4.00 ERA. Like most of the available pitchers, he has his +s and -s. I wouldn't give up too much for him either. I would deal for him before Hamels though. He's 28 not 34, won't bust this years payroll ceiling and if he didn't produce they could let him walk for nothing.
the hook with Corbin is that he's a FA after the season  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 12:14 pm : link
So as a pure rental, the price shouldn't be as steep, but there could be some heavy competition.

IF he's healthy.
Gary is finally taking some  
Phil in LA : 5/22/2018 12:15 pm : link
walks,
RE: Mookie Betts is tied for the league lead in homers at the moment  
Dunedin81 : 5/22/2018 12:17 pm : link
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I dislike Betts for obvious reasons, but he has had a phenomenal year. His 2017 form was a very valuable ballplayer but I thought (quite reasonably) he was topped out.
yeah, have to tip your hat to Betts  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 12:18 pm : link
He's a much better hitter than I thought he was.
RE: Corbin might be an interesting case  
adamg : 5/22/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13971194 Greg from LI said:
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Arizona is collapsing right now, and if they don't right the ship by the ASB they might be very open to dealing Corbin as a rental, and Corbin has made it clear how much he'd like to go to the Yankees.


He's a great target.
Bumgarner would cost an arm and a leg,  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/22/2018 3:01 pm : link
but man would it be something to add him to our rotation.
I don't think SF would trade Bumgarner under any circumstances  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2018 3:03 pm : link
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The guy I keep an eye on , and I don't know his contract  
DennyInDenville : 5/22/2018 3:03 pm : link
Is Max Scherzer.

If the Nats keep sucking.. maybe we can give them a nice haul of young guys (no Torres) and help each other out...

That's what we need to do if we target a SP. not another sonny Gray type

It's another Ace or might as well take our chances with what we have
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