Tonight, the Mets look to continue their winning ways. 3 wins in a row. 2 games out of first in the loss column. 1 game out of the WC. Unfortunately Jason Vargas is pitching tonight, so it'll probably be 12-0 Marlins after 2 innings.
It's more than just 3 games. He was abysmal the entire 2nd half of last year. He had an ERA well over 6.
Vargas is a 35 year old junkballer who looks like Jon Lovitz and is pitching so poorly that he's not even allowing the team to compete when he's on the mound.
He might get it together and be "passable" but his stuff is terrible and I'm not holding my breath.
Bottom line - if he sucks again tonight, they have to pull the plug. Can't have an auto loss in the rotation every 5 days like this where the pitcher isn't even giving the team a chance. On top of that, he's completely wiping out the pen every time he goes put there because he's averaging 4 innings a start.
Small sample for a SP right? Can we see where he’s at at 50 IP before making whole sale changes on a guy we just signed to a two year deal.
I know he’s a junkballer and he’s definitely not anything exciting but he was also an all star last year. Guys like Cobb and Lynn are off to horrific starts while getting paid three times the coin. Vargas also didn’t really have a ST due to his injury.
Sure, it took him 3 starts to get to 12 innings, so simple math tells me he'll need roughly 12 starts to hit 50 innings.
I'm sure we can afford to throw away another 5-6 games with him on the mound. He's been terrible since July of last year. It's not a small sample size. It's like 90 innings of pure garbage.
For anything... even if he does round into a 5th starter, he’s not starting playoff games or anything if we get there. And if he doesn’t? We can move a Gsellman or Lugo to the rotation. Heck I bet even a Oswalt could be a decent 5th starter. I’m hoping for more stability from Matz and Wheeler going forward and continued dominance from Thor/DeGrom. We’ll be ok.
Mike Puma (@NYPost_Mets)
5/21/18, 5:27 PM
The Mets are showing interest in Jose Bautista, who was released by the Braves on Sunday.
Mike Puma (@NYPost_Mets)
5/21/18, 4:08 PM
Mickey Callaway updates Frazier status to say he is taking BP on the field today, but is yet to test his leg running.
Retroactive to May 14, so Thursday it would be but...................We all know he won't come back on time, further, he is an accident waiting to happen.
Plawicki was supposed to be 4-6 weeks....hello...Kevin?
Swarzak.....send an ABP
Frazier.....He does not sound confident of an imminent return
Not to mention Largares
It's like the Giants with this team, another day another player gets hurt, and usually it's not the garden variety injury
Who cares about his pitching... have you seen Mrs Vargas??? Â
I know - it's crazy to want to see the Mets beat a good team before thinking they're postseason bound again... what was I thinking?!
I was being snarky but I was only messing with you man. We can sit on opposite sides of the fence but I will always think you are one of the best posters here. You are respectful and act like an adult and I know you are as big of a diehard as anyone. It is all good. We all want the same thing.
I know - it's crazy to want to see the Mets beat a good team before thinking they're postseason bound again... what was I thinking?!
I was being snarky but I was only messing with you man. We can sit on opposite sides of the fence but I will always think you are one of the best posters here. You are respectful and act like an adult and I know you are as big of a diehard as anyone. It is all good. We all want the same thing.
I know. It's all love. I'll be the first one to be excited and optimistic if I feel like the team is playing well and going in the right direction.
The entire last couple of months of 2015 I was as confident as anyone. Every time people thought the Nats were about to make a run I was supremely confident we were better and they wouldn't catch us.
I was super optimistic down the stretch in 2014 too - which wasn't even a good season. Just because I thought it looked like all the young kids were on the way up and the future was super bright.
I'm just disgruntled and want this team to be better. Hopefully they'll turn it around and get back on track here. I can't deal with another lost season. I'm so tired of losing.
Can make it back in the next week or two. I know we will never be completely healthy but certain players are performing better lately and adding them back into the mix will definitely help things.
might not be a good enough this year. With teams like the Marlins, Reds, Pads all so bad, a lot of teams are at or above .500. The Nationals will be getting players back relatively soon also, Cards will get Reyes back, etc., so things aren't going to be easy. The Mets will have to keep winning to get back to the playoffs.
Solid performance by Vargas and the pen last night. Hopefully Wheeler can give us something tonight.
There are a lot of bad teams for the NL to feast on this year. 90 wins might not be enough. You also have to think teams like the Nats and Dodgers are going to start playing better while the Phils and Braves might come back down to earth.
And I’m not convinced we can’t win the division. Braves will fade. Its coming.
Lol even if they do the Phillies are a damn good team and the Nationals are on the rise and getting healthier. What makes you think the Braves will fade? They are young, healthy again, and they have plenty of help ready in AAA and AA.
You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.
You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.
You asked literally the exact same thing to me last week! How many times do we need to beat the same horse?? And if you want to engage in a serious conversation, maybe dont lead off with “LOL”?? Just a suggestion.
You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.
You asked literally the exact same thing to me last week! How many times do we need to beat the same horse?? And if you want to engage in a serious conversation, maybe dont lead off with “LOL”?? Just a suggestion.
No we discussed the Mets and Braves talent level. Im now asking why you think they will falter.
I’ll tell you why I think the Braves will fall, you'll tell me how they won’t based on X, I’ll tell you why I think they will and why the Mets and Nats are more talented based on Y... we’ll both disagree and the only thing that will prove it will be the end result. Am I close?
Because I like you, The Braves, Phillies, and Braves are all 2.5 games apart. The Braves and Phillies are young teams that have had just about everything go right. They have talent but not a ton of depth for when injuries will most certainly hit. I also don’t think the Braves have the top pitching to last the summer months. The Mets have had just about everything go wrong. Key guys are out again, most of the lineup has underperformed, some younger guys are just getting their feet wet. Everyone will self correct eventually and players will play up to the backs of their baseball cards before long. The Mets have better depth IMO and will be buyers at the deadline. I see it as Mets and Nats finishing between 90-95 wins of relatively healthy with the Phillies and Braves finishing more in the 80-85 range.. both still a year away.
That’s fine but the only thing I 100% disagree about depth Â
The Braves don’t have the pitching depth? Come on man they have Top 100 prospect’s Luiz Gohara, making his first start today, Mike Soroka, and Kolby Allard in AAA dominating. Not to mention last years top 5 pick Kyle Wright and another top prospect Touki Toussaint in AA. They also have Matt Wisler in AAA who has pitched surprisingly well. Tyler Flowers is hurt? No problem here comes Suzuki. They also have top 3B prospect Austin Riley raking in AAA. How is that a lack of depth? I am not going to argue about any other points.
To last the summer and if a few guys go down a couple of prospects in AA/AAA wouldn’t be able to just step in like a Gsellman or Lugo could. You might have depth in terms of your outlook over he next few years but not in terms of your playoff chances in 2018 imo.
I don’t think Atlanta is going to win the NL East but I do think they will be in the WC hunt for the whole year.
And that’s possible. I’m saying 80-85 and the top end of that is likely in the wild card mix. I do think the dog days of summer will slow you down though.
It’s all good but you’ve been making comments like “I love Sandy Alderson, etc.”. I’d slow it down a little bit.
I don’t think Atlanta is going to win the NL East but I do think they will be in the WC hunt for the whole year.
And that’s possible. I’m saying 80-85 and the top end of that is likely in the wild card mix. I do think the dog days of summer will slow you down though.
It’s all good but you’ve been making comments like “I love Sandy Alderson, etc.”. I’d slow it down a little bit.
I don’t think Alderson is a good GM. I’m not alone in that regard. I know you disagree and that’s fine but I don’t see the point in getting upset or angry that I don’t think Sandy is the right man to lead the Mets. I was just trying to bring humor to yesterday’s thread.
It just comes off as cocky and that you suddenly think the Braves are so much better. Just something I observed. It’s still a little early.
Mets fans are a fickle bunch. If the Mets are in the postseason and the farm rebounds on the heals of players like Alonso/Peterson (It will)... everybody will be all over Sandy’s junk again.
It just comes off as cocky and that you suddenly think the Braves are so much better. Just something I observed. It’s still a little early.
Mets fans are a fickle bunch. If the Mets are in the postseason and the farm rebounds on the heals of players like Alonso/Peterson (It will)... everybody will be all over Sandy’s junk again.
How is it being cocky? I think the Braves will be in the WC hunt, they are currently in 1st place. They lead the NL in offense, 4th in ERA, and a very good bullpen. I didn’t even predict them to win the division I think it will be Washington or Philly. I am enjoying this season as it is the first time in 4 years that the Braves are a good team. If you were in my shoes you would be over the moon.
You don’t see how “thanking” Sandy for the current Mets situation might come of as cocky when we are 2.5 games apart and the Mets have had virtually nothing go right?
I get it. You were joking. I’m telling you what I perceived. We hashed it out. What else needs to be said?
You don’t see how “thanking” Sandy for the current Mets situation might come of as cocky when we are 2.5 games apart and the Mets have had virtually nothing go right?
I get it. You were joking. I’m telling you what I perceived. We hashed it out. What else needs to be said?
Dude, you put thanking in quotes. My exact words were
I think Sandy has done an excellent job. He deserves a lifteime extension.
And no.... I don’t think Vargas is ever going to be a great pitcher... but he might round into the 5th starter we expected him to be.
Vargas is a 35 year old junkballer who looks like Jon Lovitz and is pitching so poorly that he's not even allowing the team to compete when he's on the mound.
He might get it together and be "passable" but his stuff is terrible and I'm not holding my breath.
No problem.
2007:
10.1 IP, 12.19 ERA, 8.08 FIP, 14.8 H/9
2018:
12.1 IP, 13.86 ERA, 8.89 FIP, 19.0 H/9
Yeah, it's been a real blast today.
I know he’s a junkballer and he’s definitely not anything exciting but he was also an all star last year. Guys like Cobb and Lynn are off to horrific starts while getting paid three times the coin. Vargas also didn’t really have a ST due to his injury.
Man, let’s just take a deep breath.
I'm sure we can afford to throw away another 5-6 games with him on the mound. He's been terrible since July of last year. It's not a small sample size. It's like 90 innings of pure garbage.
Vargas sucks.
What else do we need to see here? He's 35 years old. He's not learning or improving or ascending.
Mind-bogging that this guy got 2 years.
Anyone know off the top of their head when Cespedes can come off the DL? Is it this Thursday?
5/21/18, 5:27 PM
The Mets are showing interest in Jose Bautista, who was released by the Braves on Sunday.
Mike Puma (@NYPost_Mets)
5/21/18, 4:08 PM
Mickey Callaway updates Frazier status to say he is taking BP on the field today, but is yet to test his leg running.
Plawicki was supposed to be 4-6 weeks....hello...Kevin?
Swarzak.....send an ABP
Frazier.....He does not sound confident of an imminent return
Not to mention Largares
It's like the Giants with this team, another day another player gets hurt, and usually it's not the garden variety injury
Let's go streaking!!!!!
Jason Vargas is throwing a no-hitter tonight.
Who’s with me!!!
Let’s go!!!!!
The 'ol George Costanza.
Perfecto intact through 1!
Pitch count a little high tho. He's on pace for 153 -- interesting to see if Callaway lets him try and secure his spot amongst the immortals!
Jason Vargas is throwing a no-hitter tonight.
Who’s with me!!!
Let’s go!!!!!
Not me. I'm banking on the perfect game.
The 'ol George Costanza.
I’m out!!!
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Should yank him now so he can go out on a high note.
The 'ol George Costanza.
I’m out!!!
Welp, that's it for me!!!
MLB needs to start rolling out the alerts!
6 down.
Lovitz is fucking ON POINT tonight.
Jason Vargas trying to push that sun back up in the sky?
Love that movie. LOVE it!
Locating three pitches really well tonight as he sets sail after immortality!
Ain't it "Clear the mechanism?"
Where is Kelly Preston?????
LOL, well they do have the worst lineup in the NL. Can't really argue that they suck.
But regardless of who we play, Vargas needs this so hopefully he keeps going.
I was being snarky but I was only messing with you man. We can sit on opposite sides of the fence but I will always think you are one of the best posters here. You are respectful and act like an adult and I know you are as big of a diehard as anyone. It is all good. We all want the same thing.
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the mechanism.
Ain't it "Clear the mechanism?"
Where is Kelly Preston?????
Whatever. lol
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I know - it's crazy to want to see the Mets beat a good team before thinking they're postseason bound again... what was I thinking?!
I was being snarky but I was only messing with you man. We can sit on opposite sides of the fence but I will always think you are one of the best posters here. You are respectful and act like an adult and I know you are as big of a diehard as anyone. It is all good. We all want the same thing.
I know. It's all love. I'll be the first one to be excited and optimistic if I feel like the team is playing well and going in the right direction.
The entire last couple of months of 2015 I was as confident as anyone. Every time people thought the Nats were about to make a run I was supremely confident we were better and they wouldn't catch us.
I was super optimistic down the stretch in 2014 too - which wasn't even a good season. Just because I thought it looked like all the young kids were on the way up and the future was super bright.
I'm just disgruntled and want this team to be better. Hopefully they'll turn it around and get back on track here. I can't deal with another lost season. I'm so tired of losing.
ok that was funny
Three pitches could have been strikes.
That's a huge step in the right direction!
yep
Would have been a tie game if he laid off. Wasn't a strike.
Dude always come through
Until Vientos arrives
And Lugo just continues to throw up zeros.
4 in a row. Hopefully we're getting back on track. Cannot let up against the Marlins. I want a sweep.
Could have been another game closer if the Marlins didn't blow a 5 run lead in the 9th yesterday.
24 wins and 19 loses.
24 + 19 = 43
24 wins / 43 total games - .558
162 games at .558 winning percentage is 163 x .558 = 90.4
(this is a Mets thread so you have to show your work).
Solid performance by Vargas and the pen last night. Hopefully Wheeler can give us something tonight.
Lol even if they do the Phillies are a damn good team and the Nationals are on the rise and getting healthier. What makes you think the Braves will fade? They are young, healthy again, and they have plenty of help ready in AAA and AA.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.
Wait until you find out what a Screwdriver is...
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You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.
You asked literally the exact same thing to me last week! How many times do we need to beat the same horse?? And if you want to engage in a serious conversation, maybe dont lead off with “LOL”?? Just a suggestion.
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is just bourbon and soda? Why not just call it a bourbon and soda?
Wait until you find out what a Screwdriver is...
...or a Cuba Libre but why doesn't gin and tonic get a cool name?
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In comment 13971379 ZGiants98 said:
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You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.
We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.
You asked literally the exact same thing to me last week! How many times do we need to beat the same horse?? And if you want to engage in a serious conversation, maybe dont lead off with “LOL”?? Just a suggestion.
No we discussed the Mets and Braves talent level. Im now asking why you think they will falter.
Because I like you, The Braves, Phillies, and Braves are all 2.5 games apart. The Braves and Phillies are young teams that have had just about everything go right. They have talent but not a ton of depth for when injuries will most certainly hit. I also don’t think the Braves have the top pitching to last the summer months. The Mets have had just about everything go wrong. Key guys are out again, most of the lineup has underperformed, some younger guys are just getting their feet wet. Everyone will self correct eventually and players will play up to the backs of their baseball cards before long. The Mets have better depth IMO and will be buyers at the deadline. I see it as Mets and Nats finishing between 90-95 wins of relatively healthy with the Phillies and Braves finishing more in the 80-85 range.. both still a year away.
And that’s possible. I’m saying 80-85 and the top end of that is likely in the wild card mix. I do think the dog days of summer will slow you down though.
It’s all good but you’ve been making comments like “I love Sandy Alderson, etc.”. I’d slow it down a little bit.
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I don’t think Atlanta is going to win the NL East but I do think they will be in the WC hunt for the whole year.
And that’s possible. I’m saying 80-85 and the top end of that is likely in the wild card mix. I do think the dog days of summer will slow you down though.
It’s all good but you’ve been making comments like “I love Sandy Alderson, etc.”. I’d slow it down a little bit.
I don’t think Alderson is a good GM. I’m not alone in that regard. I know you disagree and that’s fine but I don’t see the point in getting upset or angry that I don’t think Sandy is the right man to lead the Mets. I was just trying to bring humor to yesterday’s thread.
Mets fans are a fickle bunch. If the Mets are in the postseason and the farm rebounds on the heals of players like Alonso/Peterson (It will)... everybody will be all over Sandy’s junk again.
Mets fans are a fickle bunch. If the Mets are in the postseason and the farm rebounds on the heals of players like Alonso/Peterson (It will)... everybody will be all over Sandy’s junk again.
How is it being cocky? I think the Braves will be in the WC hunt, they are currently in 1st place. They lead the NL in offense, 4th in ERA, and a very good bullpen. I didn’t even predict them to win the division I think it will be Washington or Philly. I am enjoying this season as it is the first time in 4 years that the Braves are a good team. If you were in my shoes you would be over the moon.
I get it. You were joking. I’m telling you what I perceived. We hashed it out. What else needs to be said?
I get it. You were joking. I’m telling you what I perceived. We hashed it out. What else needs to be said?
Dude, you put thanking in quotes. My exact words were
I think Sandy has done an excellent job. He deserves a lifteime extension.
I don't think he has proven the best to take them to the next level, and that is what they currently need in a GM.