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NFT: Jason Vargas: GET IT TOGETHER MAN!

PatchoguePete : 5/21/2018 2:31 pm
Tonight, the Mets look to continue their winning ways. 3 wins in a row. 2 games out of first in the loss column. 1 game out of the WC. Unfortunately Jason Vargas is pitching tonight, so it'll probably be 12-0 Marlins after 2 innings.
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90 gets you at least the second wild card  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 11:01 am : link
And I’m not convinced we can’t win the division. Braves will fade. Its coming.
RE: 90 gets you at least the second wild card  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13971105 ZGiants98 said:
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And I’m not convinced we can’t win the division. Braves will fade. Its coming.

Lol even if they do the Phillies are a damn good team and the Nationals are on the rise and getting healthier. What makes you think the Braves will fade? They are young, healthy again, and they have plenty of help ready in AAA and AA.
BTW  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 12:16 pm : link
The Phillies are for real also. That is a damn good team and Pivetta has been outstanding.
So a Highball  
Pete in MD : 5/22/2018 12:28 pm : link
is just bourbon and soda? Why not just call it a bourbon and soda?
Yeah... LOL.. so hysterical  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 1:50 pm : link
You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.

We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.
Swarzak finally threw a bullpen today  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 1:52 pm : link
Finally!!
RE: Yeah... LOL.. so hysterical  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13971379 ZGiants98 said:
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You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.

We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.

There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.
RE: So a Highball  
schabadoo : 5/22/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13971250 Pete in MD said:
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is just bourbon and soda? Why not just call it a bourbon and soda?


Wait until you find out what a Screwdriver is...
RE: RE: Yeah... LOL.. so hysterical  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13971395 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13971379 ZGiants98 said:


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You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.

We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.


There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.


You asked literally the exact same thing to me last week! How many times do we need to beat the same horse?? And if you want to engage in a serious conversation, maybe dont lead off with “LOL”?? Just a suggestion.
RE: RE: So a Highball  
Pete in MD : 5/22/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13971398 schabadoo said:
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In comment 13971250 Pete in MD said:


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is just bourbon and soda? Why not just call it a bourbon and soda?



Wait until you find out what a Screwdriver is...

...or a Cuba Libre but why doesn't gin and tonic get a cool name?
RE: RE: RE: Yeah... LOL.. so hysterical  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13971402 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13971395 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13971379 ZGiants98 said:


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You’ve gotten mighty cocky all of the sudden. 2.5 lead over the Mets in mid-May and it’s hilarious to you that you might not win the division? Wow. Go you.

We’ve been through this before. I think my team is more talented than yours. Plain and simple. Find me in October and tell me how wrong I was. I will welcome it.


There you go again, I asked a simple question what are the reasons why you think Atlanta is going to falter and you have to go off the rails talking down like it’s an absurd question.



You asked literally the exact same thing to me last week! How many times do we need to beat the same horse?? And if you want to engage in a serious conversation, maybe dont lead off with “LOL”?? Just a suggestion.

No we discussed the Mets and Braves talent level. Im now asking why you think they will falter.
So let’s see...  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 2:11 pm : link
I’ll tell you why I think the Braves will fall, you'll tell me how they won’t based on X, I’ll tell you why I think they will and why the Mets and Nats are more talented based on Y... we’ll both disagree and the only thing that will prove it will be the end result. Am I close?

Because I like you, The Braves, Phillies, and Braves are all 2.5 games apart. The Braves and Phillies are young teams that have had just about everything go right. They have talent but not a ton of depth for when injuries will most certainly hit. I also don’t think the Braves have the top pitching to last the summer months. The Mets have had just about everything go wrong. Key guys are out again, most of the lineup has underperformed, some younger guys are just getting their feet wet. Everyone will self correct eventually and players will play up to the backs of their baseball cards before long. The Mets have better depth IMO and will be buyers at the deadline. I see it as Mets and Nats finishing between 90-95 wins of relatively healthy with the Phillies and Braves finishing more in the 80-85 range.. both still a year away.
That’s fine but the only thing I 100% disagree about depth  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 2:17 pm : link
The Braves don’t have the pitching depth? Come on man they have Top 100 prospect’s Luiz Gohara, making his first start today, Mike Soroka, and Kolby Allard in AAA dominating. Not to mention last years top 5 pick Kyle Wright and another top prospect Touki Toussaint in AA. They also have Matt Wisler in AAA who has pitched surprisingly well. Tyler Flowers is hurt? No problem here comes Suzuki. They also have top 3B prospect Austin Riley raking in AAA. How is that a lack of depth? I am not going to argue about any other points.
For the record  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 2:19 pm : link
I don’t think Atlanta is going to win the NL East but I do think they will be in the WC hunt for the whole year.
I’m saying you don’t gave the top end proven pitching  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 2:23 pm : link
To last the summer and if a few guys go down a couple of prospects in AA/AAA wouldn’t be able to just step in like a Gsellman or Lugo could. You might have depth in terms of your outlook over he next few years but not in terms of your playoff chances in 2018 imo.
RE: For the record  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13971432 Jay on the Island said:
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I don’t think Atlanta is going to win the NL East but I do think they will be in the WC hunt for the whole year.


And that’s possible. I’m saying 80-85 and the top end of that is likely in the wild card mix. I do think the dog days of summer will slow you down though.

It’s all good but you’ve been making comments like “I love Sandy Alderson, etc.”. I’d slow it down a little bit.
RE: RE: For the record  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13971440 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13971432 Jay on the Island said:


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I don’t think Atlanta is going to win the NL East but I do think they will be in the WC hunt for the whole year.



And that’s possible. I’m saying 80-85 and the top end of that is likely in the wild card mix. I do think the dog days of summer will slow you down though.

It’s all good but you’ve been making comments like “I love Sandy Alderson, etc.”. I’d slow it down a little bit.

I don’t think Alderson is a good GM. I’m not alone in that regard. I know you disagree and that’s fine but I don’t see the point in getting upset or angry that I don’t think Sandy is the right man to lead the Mets. I was just trying to bring humor to yesterday’s thread.
I won’t make anymore Sandy jokes  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 2:29 pm : link
....
I’m not upset or angry at all...  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 2:33 pm : link
It just comes off as cocky and that you suddenly think the Braves are so much better. Just something I observed. It’s still a little early.

Mets fans are a fickle bunch. If the Mets are in the postseason and the farm rebounds on the heals of players like Alonso/Peterson (It will)... everybody will be all over Sandy’s junk again.
RE: I’m not upset or angry at all...  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13971449 ZGiants98 said:
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It just comes off as cocky and that you suddenly think the Braves are so much better. Just something I observed. It’s still a little early.

Mets fans are a fickle bunch. If the Mets are in the postseason and the farm rebounds on the heals of players like Alonso/Peterson (It will)... everybody will be all over Sandy’s junk again.

How is it being cocky? I think the Braves will be in the WC hunt, they are currently in 1st place. They lead the NL in offense, 4th in ERA, and a very good bullpen. I didn’t even predict them to win the division I think it will be Washington or Philly. I am enjoying this season as it is the first time in 4 years that the Braves are a good team. If you were in my shoes you would be over the moon.
Seriously?  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 2:44 pm : link
You don’t see how “thanking” Sandy for the current Mets situation might come of as cocky when we are 2.5 games apart and the Mets have had virtually nothing go right?

I get it. You were joking. I’m telling you what I perceived. We hashed it out. What else needs to be said?
Plawecki joining Vegas tomorrow to begin  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 2:45 pm : link
Playing in games. Whoohoo. Finally some good injury news. Hopefully, Frazier and Cespedes are only a few days out as well.
RE: Seriously?  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13971466 ZGiants98 said:
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You don’t see how “thanking” Sandy for the current Mets situation might come of as cocky when we are 2.5 games apart and the Mets have had virtually nothing go right?

I get it. You were joking. I’m telling you what I perceived. We hashed it out. What else needs to be said?

Dude, you put thanking in quotes. My exact words were
I think Sandy has done an excellent job. He deserves a lifteime extension.
Let's move on  
Jay on the Island : 5/22/2018 3:01 pm : link
this took too long.
I think Sandy was the perfect fit  
steve in ky : 5/22/2018 3:07 pm : link
to shepherd the organization through the financial crisis the team found themselves in after Madoff cost the Wilpons.

I don't think he has proven the best to take them to the next level, and that is what they currently need in a GM.
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