Our other Eli: How do you think it plays out?

if Apple had some personal issues with McAdoo.

Normally I side with the HC in those scenarios, but IF there was a problem in this case, you'd have to give Apple the benefit of the doubt knowing what a slime ball McAdoo turned out to be.

are going to be addition by subtraction moves, imo. They've moved out a number of distractions ...

a real game, I'm leery. Sure, he can say all the right things now, but what will happen when the ball is in the air? Pass breakup or pass interference? I'm not about to get all giddy about him just because he didn't act like an idiot in an interview in May.

Not asking to be a jerk. Genuinely curious. I always heard he was one of the good guys...

and said players, among others. It seemed the players were running or trying to run the asylum.

kids got talent.

He's recently learned how to make Ramen noodles.

If he fails we only have one corner.....

In comment 13971007 JonC said:

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and said players, among others. It seemed the players were running or trying to run the asylum.

This became much more noticeable later in the season.

Lots of changes. Hoping they all pan out in a positive direction, and that the evolution of young Eli Apple is just one residual.

is above his shoulders.

The combination of his own immaturity, an unstable home life with his family and his mother trying to be a celebrity, plus his mother's health issues...and the fact that his work environment was awful made last year what it was.

As Gettleman said, you don't quit on talent. I'd hate to see Apple get cut, find a way to figure it out and turn into a solid to good pro corner somewhere else.

That said, everyone has shit going on in their lives. He needs to realize he's not at Ohio State anymore. He's going into his 3rd year in the NFL. He needs to grow up and get it together or he will find his way out of the NFL altogether. I'm hopeful the light switch went on because I don't think he's a bad guy. He's just a child that needs to become a man.

were jettisoned thankfully, headed by a HC who had no business being in that chair, and a weak, overrated DC, plus his mother had brain cancer. Alot for a young guy to handle.

I like what I heard from him the other day and thought he handled himself well. No doubt that was a step in the right direction and a much need check in the positive column.

I think he has the talent and if he can get back to playing how he did towards the end of his rookie year and build on that, it will be huge for this D.

I'm interested to see how he handles the first bit of adversity that comes his way this year. We know they'll be some even if it's just something on the field like getting beat for a TD. It's the life of a CB and seeing how he handles adversity will tell us if he's actually matured or it's just lip service.

Here's hoping he has matured as much as he sounds.

problem has been tackling. Regarding his behavior, and work ethic, I think he's learned his lesson.

his previously close family split in half,

his HC was a moron,

his team lacked leadership,

and he was 21yr old starting cb on a NY team that got off to a horrible start.

I didn't like the pick at the time, but I guess I give EA a lil more slack than most. (and at the same time I hope he learns some ball skills!)

the "cut him loose and be done with it" train last year, but if the new regime feels he's been working hard and going all in, why not give him a second chance?

are not immune to mental/emo health challenges. He clearly has superior skills and with some solid therapy Id like to think he can bounce back.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

there were very mixed signals starting with senior management that effected how coaching was approached and success and failure was defined which intern effected how intermediate leadership was dealt with at the senior players level. When you get away from reality there is a tax to be paid. There was no Michael Strahan to set the tone of the team. I had hoped that JPP could fill that role but I guess he didn't (not necessarily his fault; like I said there were a lot of things going on last year). From what I gather for some reason last year DRC and EA started butting heads, this was probably a failure of Ben Mc Ado or Spags (I liked Spags).

but doesn't get his head around and pick up the ball. That IS teachable and hopefully he will catch on. I'm rooting for the kid. He was under a lot of shit last season for a young kid.

I think he will be better than fine on the field. This is where the adult, professional, supportive environment that Shurmur is establishing will pay dividends foe guys like Apple and Flowers.