and how shallow the depth is...
Without Beckham practicing yesterday, the starting wide receivers were....
| You had rotating players in the various units but the first three wide receivers out there together were Sterling Shepard in the slot, with Cody Latimer and Hunter Sharp outside. Roger Lewis was with the second group. |
If you recall, the Giants signed Hunter Sharp off of the Practice Squad of the Denver Broncos in December 2017. He played in two games with one start, finishing with five catches for 54 yards and a touchdown. Sharp was originally signed as an undrafted rookie free agent by the Philadelphia Eagles after the 2016 NFL Draft. The Eagles waived him in August of that year and Sharp was then signed to the Practice Squad of the Broncos in December 2016. He spent 10 days on Denver’s 53-man roster in October 2017.
It's no wonder why Gettleman is picking up WRs when he can.
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Problem is Giants don't really have any cap room.
Good news is Engram was a nice addition. Now, with Barkley too... it definitely helps.
We absolutely need someone else that can stretch the field opposite OBJ. Otherwise, we will still see too much crowding of the line of scrimmage to stop Barkley.
Two way, I meant to say Two position (swing guy).
Moss, Barden, Jerrigan were just terrible players.
I forgot the 6th round guy we cut after year 1.
These guys may not have been viewed as stars, but they werent even good enough to keep around as dependable backups.
Problem is, some of these guys are Reese draft picks and UDFA signings...so you can't really have a ton of confidence.
Jayron Hosley
Travis Beckham
Ramses Barden
Damontre Moore
Jay Bromley
Chad Jones -injury
David Wilson -injury
Ereck Flowers
Weston Richburg
These are all high to mid round draft picks. Most teams would hit on 2-3 of these guys. We really got nothing...its mind boggling.
Jayron Hosley
Travis Beckham
Ramses Barden
Damontre Moore
Jay Bromley
Chad Jones -injury
David Wilson -injury
Ereck Flowers
Weston Richburg
These are all high to mid round draft picks. Most teams would hit on 2-3 of these guys. We really got nothing...its mind boggling.
Jerell Jernigan
Brandon Mosely
James Brewer
The list goes on and on.
+1 Agreed. I am thinking that they sign a Veteran WR late August/early September when the rosters have to go to 53. There will be some WR's that still have a couple/few good years left.
This is also a product of an on-going roster house-cleaning (Harris, Marshall) and the fact that this organization has had about 5 drafts in a row that were either total disasters or average at best.
Maybe so but that's Sterling's best position. We need another outside guy not another slot receiver IMO.
Even if they had a quality guy behind those mentioned, there is only so much to go around. He would just be taking away from someone else. If you look at ball distribution on many other teams, RBs/TEs/ and slot guys occupy a big percentage.
Dez has post week 1 signing written all over him. That way if he absolutely sucks, he can be cut with no penalty.
The Giants look a little bit thin this year on the perimeter WR/CB but think about what needed to be done this offseason.
The trenches needed to be rebuilt on both sides of the ball. Offensive line because it sucked. Defensive line to fit the 3-4.
OL- Solder, Omameh plus a draft pick.
DL/EDGE- 3 draft picks plus Mauro, Martin.
There are only so many resources to go around.
Cowboys - Michael Gallup
Redskins - Maurice Harris
Eagles - Mack Hollins
Which one of those guys is better than what we got?
Might be a steal with an upside if we dont have to give up too much.
A 4th TE instead of a 6th WR is a real possibility. We'll also use Barkley in the slot as others have noted.
The lack of depth and us not having any picks after the fifth round means there's a real chance at least several UDFAs make the final 53. I also expect us to pick up several veterans from other teams after final cuts since we have the #2 waiver wire claim.
Cowboys - Michael Gallup
Redskins - Maurice Harris
Eagles - Mack Hollins
Which one of those guys is better than what we got?
Eagles are really high on Hollins and Gallup is a rookie. Id take those 2 instantly and either of them could be our number 2.
Last year at this time, there was plenty of depth at WR, but the big worries were offensive line, and to a lesser degree, running back. You can't have great depth at every position, no team on the NFL does.
Reality is this is a major work in progress roster. You cannot rebuild a 3-13 team in 1 off-season.
Example no. unlimited as to how truly bad and how truly far away this team is.
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According to CBS sportline Depth Chart:
Cowboys - Michael Gallup
Redskins - Maurice Harris
Eagles - Mack Hollins
Which one of those guys is better than what we got?
Eagles are really high on Hollins and Gallup is a rookie. Id take those 2 instantly and either of them could be our number 2.
They also have Mike Wallace who is probably their starting #2 right now across from Jeffries with Alghor in the slot.
Having said that, I wouldnt hate another vet WR brought in.
Last year we "looked" good at WR on PAPER before the season started. But Marshall was terrible when he played. Then they all went down.
It's great to assume more 2 TE sets (likely true), what's not great to assume is OBJ and Shep playing 16 games. Behind those 2 it's there might not be an NFL caliber back-up, forget about a starting WR in a 3 WR set.
Which again, is fine if you're committed to rebuilding and you're just not there yet.
Having said that, I wouldnt hate another vet WR brought in.
That's fine and dandy, but who is going to be playing on the opposite side of OBJ at the other WR spot.
Shepard is strictly a slot WR, not an outside WR.
I honestly think that is one of the reasons we played so much 3 WR sets, because it go him on the field.
A 4th TE instead of a 6th WR is a real possibility. We'll also use Barkley in the slot as others have noted.
The lack of depth and us not having any picks after the fifth round means there's a real chance at least several UDFAs make the final 53. I also expect us to pick up several veterans from other teams after final cuts since we have the #2 waiver wire claim.
You can't have a two year rebuilding project and pass up a QB at #2 overall. Not when your current QB is 37. Years left likely means two, as it is hard to believe that Gettleman will be signing Eli to an extension at 39 years old, even if teams have signed Brady and Brees to extensions at that age. They are the exception, not the rule, and they have not shown to be declining.
If Gettleman wants to ride Eli - and that is the path he idiotically chose - he better hope his plan yields a title now. He forewent the right to tell us that it will take two years to rebuild this roster when he passed on the three franchise QBs staring him in the face for a RB in the draft. Because something tells me the chances of finding a great RB - albeit one not as great as Barkley - are far better in the next two seasons than finding a QB that can take over, if this team is even in position to draft one.
-Mack Hollins 24 yr old 2nd year player that was a 4th rd. pick from UNC who couldn't beat out Torrey Smith and isn't good enough to step in now that Torrey Smith is gone which is why the Eagles signed....
- Mike Wallace the 31 yr old veteran who has been on 4 different teams in the past 5 years and hasn't been any good since 2011
- Michael Gallup a 3rd rd pick from Colorado St. taken in the 3rd rd of the draft this year.
Not sure I'm seeing why any of these three guys are any better than what we got...
i am prob in the minority but i would have kept marshall...think he would have given us a big body guy for redzne especially but its watever. we will prob add a WR, CB and OL after some cuts are made
Problem is Giants don't really have any cap room.
And that is another Reese fuck up. His inability to build a roster was on display year after year. Not sure who was worse. That Mara's for not seeing it or the BBI crew who insisted he was one of the best
Thing to really worry about is the level of play they'll get from RT.
Even if they had a quality guy behind those mentioned, there is only so much to go around. He would just be taking away from someone else. If you look at ball distribution on many other teams, RBs/TEs/ and slot guys occupy a big percentage.
It is going to be a good problem to have Uber ...
There are a few more us thinking the same thing Don.
At this point it's a common sentiment. Something very team friendly so that if he acts up, he is easily cut.
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According to CBS sportline Depth Chart:
Cowboys - Michael Gallup
Redskins - Maurice Harris
Eagles - Mack Hollins
Which one of those guys is better than what we got?
Eagles are really high on Hollins and Gallup is a rookie. Id take those 2 instantly and either of them could be our number 2.
of course you would.. the grass is always greener
There jags are better then ours
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According to CBS sportline Depth Chart:
Cowboys - Michael Gallup
Redskins - Maurice Harris
Eagles - Mack Hollins
Which one of those guys is better than what we got?
Eagles are really high on Hollins and Gallup is a rookie. Id take those 2 instantly and either of them could be our number 2.
of course you would.. the grass is always greener
There jags are better then ours
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According to CBS sportline Depth Chart:
Cowboys - Michael Gallup
Redskins - Maurice Harris
Eagles - Mack Hollins
Which one of those guys is better than what we got?
Eagles are really high on Hollins and Gallup is a rookie. Id take those 2 instantly and either of them could be our number 2.
of course you would.. the grass is always greener
There jags are better then ours
We need to look at the receiving options as a whole unit not just one spot. We have 4 good to elite receivers to their respective positions. OBJ, Shepard, Engram,Barkley. That is PLENTY if you have a system that is properly designed.
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for the 1 year prove it contract. Base it on incentives.
Dez has post week 1 signing written all over him. That way if he absolutely sucks, he can be cut with no penalty.
Also, if he isn't signed with a team after week 1 - that might slap some sanity into his salary demands. I think I read somewhere he is looking for 8+ mil per year. I think those days are gone Dez?
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for the 1 year prove it contract. Base it on incentives.
Dez has post week 1 signing written all over him. That way if he absolutely sucks, he can be cut with no penalty.
Also, if he isn't signed with a team after week 1 - that might slap some sanity into his salary demands. I think I read somewhere he is looking for 8+ mil per year. I think those days are gone Dez?
You don't ask, you don't get?
Was Brandon Marshall really that much better a prospect as the 2 when we signed him than Bryant is now? I don't remember that bweing the case. As others have stated, he will benefit from doubles on Barkley, Beckham and Engram.
I am also quite fine with Roger Lewis and Latimer competing for that spot. Latimer could be a reclamation project for Shurmur and has terrific size. Lewis has flashed ability...in addition to boneheadedness. Lastly, I really doubt WR #2 is that much of an issue to be honest. At least before camp starts. In addition to Lewis and Latimer competing for the 2 spot, you have Travis Rudolph who was highly thought of last year and I can see the Giants using more 2 TE sets with Jerrell Adams and Rhett Ellison on the line and Engram split out wide. Or Barkley split out wide.
It's almost like when they show the starting lineups for each team before the game and they list the starting Full back even though he is probably going to see extremely limited game action.