was a more impactful player then Jeter. Not taking anything away from Jeter. He's great, but he had a better surrounding cast. If you switch Piazza for Jeter, those Mets teams in 1999 and 2000 don't make the playoffs
was a more impactful player then Jeter. Not taking anything away from Jeter. He's great, but he had a better surrounding cast. If you switch Piazza for Jeter, those Mets teams in 1999 and 2000 don't make the playoffs
Jorge Posada (5.5) had a higher WAR than Piazza (5.1)in 2000. Would you make that trade? Jeter was an 8.o WAR in 1999, Piazza 4.3.
I don't particluarly care to go to war over WAR. I don't believe in it if I can see the players regularly. It helps scouting players you don't see.THey're all great players, 2 HOFers. My point is you don't need to dengrate 1 HOFer to prop up another. And guess what, Jeter would hjave made the Mets infinitely better with or without Piazza. Because truly great players make their teams better. .349 24HR and 102 RBI at SS? Yeah, I'll buy.
became a pissing contest with Yankees fans, but not surprised either.
I don't think if any GM was offered Piazza straight up for Jeter they turn it down.
Given the quality of catching or lack thereof, I wouldn't even be surprised if the Jeter side had to sweeten the trade to get Piazza.
He's the greatest hitting catcher of all time (based on FG OFF rating) and 6th most valuable catcher overall (WAR).
Jeter 4th best offensive SS all time, and also 6th best overall at his position.
But Piazza's OFF rating is higher so there's some DEF in there impacting the WAR which I'm skeptical of.
And even though WAR is position adjusted I think that catcher is probably more valued.
It's not a discussion anyone will change anyone's mind about though, so I won't debate people who feel differently.
We were fortunate to be able to see both players play their careers during our lifetimes (those of us who did).
That's my point. They're both terrific players.
And truthfully, I think Piazza was unfairly maligned as a defensive player. He moved pretty well, called a good game and framed pitches well. He just couldn't throw at all.
Bernie was the only one close to him at the plate, but Jeter had the slight edge in every offensive category, was much better on the bases, and played an average SS while Bernie was a terrible centerfielder.
wow, Piazza hasn't aged well at all.
Why is it mecessary to knock a great player in order to praise another?
Why is it mecessary to knock a great player in order to praise another?
Because it's dupe and Stan
Piazza was 8.7 in 1997. It was with LA, tho.
Jorge Posada (5.5) had a higher WAR than Piazza (5.1)in 2000. Would you make that trade? Jeter was an 8.o WAR in 1999, Piazza 4.3.
I don't particluarly care to go to war over WAR. I don't believe in it if I can see the players regularly. It helps scouting players you don't see.THey're all great players, 2 HOFers. My point is you don't need to dengrate 1 HOFer to prop up another. And guess what, Jeter would hjave made the Mets infinitely better with or without Piazza. Because truly great players make their teams better. .349 24HR and 102 RBI at SS? Yeah, I'll buy.
I don't think if any GM was offered Piazza straight up for Jeter they turn it down.
Given the quality of catching or lack thereof, I wouldn't even be surprised if the Jeter side had to sweeten the trade to get Piazza.
He's the greatest hitting catcher of all time (based on FG OFF rating) and 6th most valuable catcher overall (WAR).
Jeter 4th best offensive SS all time, and also 6th best overall at his position.
But Piazza's OFF rating is higher so there's some DEF in there impacting the WAR which I'm skeptical of.
And even though WAR is position adjusted I think that catcher is probably more valued.
It's not a discussion anyone will change anyone's mind about though, so I won't debate people who feel differently.
We were fortunate to be able to see both players play their careers during our lifetimes (those of us who did).
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1999 Jeter was +8.0 WAR. He had one of the great seasons ever for a position player.
Piazza was 8.7 in 1997. It was with LA, tho.
Jeter in 99 is one of the most criminally underrated seasons in modern baseball. His offense WAR was a 1.1 wins better than the next player.
He had 219 hits. He hit .371 on 0-2 counts.
I could go on for hours about 99. It was a rediculous year in baseball, and Jeter was plainly robbed of MVP.
Jeter in 99 is one of the most criminally underrated seasons in modern baseball. His offense WAR was a 1.1 wins better than the next player.
He had 219 hits. He hit .371 on 0-2 counts.
I could go on for hours about 99. It was a rediculous year in baseball, and Jeter was plainly robbed of MVP.
Certainly not arguing Jeter's greatness, but in '97, Piazza had a near 1.100 OPS as a catcher! Ridiculous.
"If you switch Piazza for Jeter, those Mets teams in 1999 and 2000 don't make the playoffs."
And Jeter had a unequivocally better year in one of those years that's going to get a laugh.
I don't think if any GM was offered Piazza straight up for Jeter they turn it down.
Given the quality of catching or lack thereof, I wouldn't even be surprised if the Jeter side had to sweeten the trade to get Piazza.
He's the greatest hitting catcher of all time (based on FG OFF rating) and 6th most valuable catcher overall (WAR).
Jeter 4th best offensive SS all time, and also 6th best overall at his position.
But Piazza's OFF rating is higher so there's some DEF in there impacting the WAR which I'm skeptical of.
And even though WAR is position adjusted I think that catcher is probably more valued.
It's not a discussion anyone will change anyone's mind about though, so I won't debate people who feel differently.
We were fortunate to be able to see both players play their careers during our lifetimes (those of us who did).
That's my point. They're both terrific players.
And truthfully, I think Piazza was unfairly maligned as a defensive player. He moved pretty well, called a good game and framed pitches well. He just couldn't throw at all.
WAR is a joke, Jeter was never the best player on his team.