Wheeler did look good - but again, his 3 good starts this year have been against the two absolute worst lineups in the NL (MIA, CIN)
He's pitched poorly against most other teams. So, while this is good to see - much like it was the first time - I need to see him shut down some better lineups. He's still having a lot of the same issues he always has.
It seems like no matter what we do, we can't escape the stench of a struggling lineup.
The production we're getting out of our cleanup spot is horrifying. We have ONE HOME RUN out of that spot this year and it's almost June. One. That's horrendous. We have the lowest SLG% in all of baseball out of that lineup spot too.
Maybe it means less because of the different ways teams are constructing lineups now, but I'm still tired of watching us struggle offensively so much.
Only 3 teams have scored fewer runs - including this Marlins team. We were basically bottom-third last year. 26th of 30 in runs scored in 2016.
As much as we picked it up in 2015, we were still below average at years' end in terms of run production.
You have to go back to 2011 for the last time the Mets were above league average in runs scored.
he got hot in September when the season was basically over. I get it that he might be a good mentor for Rosario, but he's basically done. Don't know why he's getting any ABs over Guillorme.
I was hoping Mickey could "fix" one of these three guys...
Matt Harvey
Steve Matz
Zack Wheeler
When he was hired, I said it's a great hire if he can turn one of these three guys into either what they were before, or what we've all expected them to be. It would almost be worth it from that standpoint alone.
Harvey is gone. Matz is up and down, and Wheeler keeps showing signs, but still isn't quite getting there
So, I wouldn't say he's failed yet as far as that goes - but the odds are smaller now by default and I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever get more out of either of the two who are left here. This just might be what they are.
I'm also not crazy about Dave Eiland, but it's early.
he got hot in September when the season was basically over. I get it that he might be a good mentor for Rosario, but he's basically done. Don't know why he's getting any ABs over Guillorme.
This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.
You can disagree with their methods but they actually transformed certain players into better versions of themselves. This isnt even remotely common around the sport. Expecting a pitching coach to transform players is not realistic IMO.
to show what they already have. The stuff is there. I dont know what the problem is. Give me the 2016 version of Matz and the 2014 version of Wheeler and Im doing cartwheels. Those are huge sample nearly full seasons for each that they have already demonstrated quality with.
I'm not expecting Callaway or Eiland to "transform" anyone as much as I'm looking for them to get the most out of them.
I think a lot of these guys have very good stuff but a lot of them still struggle as pitchers. I've always believed that you can't teach stuff - but you can teach pitching and location. Guys like Wheeler have everything you need to succeed - it's a mater of pitch selection, pitch location, mechanics, and consistency.
So, I do think a good pitching coach should be able to take a guy like that and turn him into something better. Within reason, of course - I'm not saying someone out there can turn Zack Wheeler into Max Scherzer. But I do think there's a lot young pitchers can learn to get better.
RE: RE: Reyes sucked first half last year, terrible defensively all year Â
This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.
The numbers are simple and they aren't false.
April .174 BA / .562 OPS / 86 ABs
May .216 BA / .610 OPS / 97 ABs
June .213 BA / .677 OPS / 80 ABs
OBP was under .300 all 3 months.
Total Pre-ASB - .215 BA / .284 OBP / .654 OPS / 289 AB's
(more than half the year and more than half his AB's)
I said he "sucked first half last year" - how is that even arguable?
I'm not expecting Callaway or Eiland to "transform" anyone as much as I'm looking for them to get the most out of them.
I think a lot of these guys have very good stuff but a lot of them still struggle as pitchers. I've always believed that you can't teach stuff - but you can teach pitching and location. Guys like Wheeler have everything you need to succeed - it's a mater of pitch selection, pitch location, mechanics, and consistency.
So, I do think a good pitching coach should be able to take a guy like that and turn him into something better. Within reason, of course - I'm not saying someone out there can turn Zack Wheeler into Max Scherzer. But I do think there's a lot young pitchers can learn to get better.
Yeah and part of it is simply getting them back on track like I said. A pitching coach should at least be able to get them back on track to what they've already shown in certain years if the stuff is there so I will agree there.
RE: RE: RE: Reyes sucked first half last year, terrible defensively all year Â
This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.
The numbers are simple and they aren't false.
April .174 BA / .562 OPS / 86 ABs
May .216 BA / .610 OPS / 97 ABs
June .213 BA / .677 OPS / 80 ABs
OBP was under .300 all 3 months.
Total Pre-ASB - .215 BA / .284 OBP / .654 OPS / 289 AB's
(more than half the year and more than half his AB's)
I said he "sucked first half last year" - how is that even arguable?
You said he "turned it on in September in garbage time".
Reyes career wRC+ 104
Reyes over second half last year (July, August, and September) wRC+ 121
Reyes from April 24th through the end of the season? wRC+ 109.
He basically had an ice cold three week stetch to start the year and was fine after..
Plan your post season schedule today. This move certainly puts them over the top along w the Vargas signing and the reliance on 3 overhyped pitchers who have been mostly hurt during their fail careers.
Was Julio Franco not available?
As soon as Harvey left the Mets, he improved dramatically Â
Not saying his struggles are over and he is the Dark Knight again.But what does it say about this organization that he improves greatly just by leaving the dysfunction? Just like Turner and Murph
RE: As soon as Harvey left the Mets, he improved dramatically Â
Not saying his struggles are over and he is the Dark Knight again.But what does it say about this organization that he improves greatly just by leaving the dysfunction? Just like Turner and Murph
Not really true on Harvey his 2nd start was awful1
in Bruce getting less playing time rather than Nimmo.
Agreed. I really wish we had moved on from Bruce - he would have been a solid enough acquisition for the time we had him. We got some of his better recent production. But I just don't like the player. It's the type of hitter I want the Mets to get away from and he's a terrible fielder too.
All Nimmo does is get on base and he's much better in the field.
Nimmo has that stuff scarecrow posture like Hunter Pence always had. This has nothing to do with anything but the way he moves and runs always reminds me of Pence.
I think Peter Bourjos would have been a better addition Â
He can play CF, still plays excellent defense, and he can be used as a pinch runner. All it would take to get him would be cash. He can't hit but neither can Bautista.
He brought a spark to the team in 2016 and helped make a run to the WC game. Was up and down last season. This season he is not only killing them at the plate, but his defense is now starting to cost them games.
Mets fans aren't buying tickets because of their nostalgia for no 7.
My sister had a 41 game plan for 4 years running and didn't renew after 2016 once they brought wife beater Reyes back. I doubt she's alone.
NY is a city with a disproportionate number of high earning females who take domestic abuse pretty seriously. It's one thing to deal with the PR disaster of having a scumbag like Reyes on the roster if he's good, but he's pretty uniformly awful, so I can't see the logic in keeping him on the roster.
in Bruce getting less playing time rather than Nimmo.
Agreed. I really wish we had moved on from Bruce - he would have been a solid enough acquisition for the time we had him. We got some of his better recent production. But I just don't like the player. It's the type of hitter I want the Mets to get away from and he's a terrible fielder too.
All Nimmo does is get on base and he's much better in the field.
Nimmo has that stuff scarecrow posture like Hunter Pence always had. This has nothing to do with anything but the way he moves and runs always reminds me of Pence.
77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?
His off-season moves to this point = disaster.
Farm system = disaster
He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...
This has to be a deciding year.
If the Mets win like 80 games and miss the postseason again, I think they have to fire Sandy. He's had enough time and I think that's fair.
It should be a postseason or bust year. If we're still not ready for that 8 years into this thing, then he should never have had the job to begin with. Enough with the excuses and other stuff. Every team has injuries. The good ones have depth.
Sandy seems to be able to put together teams that can compete when they're at 100% - but once a few guys get hurt, everything seems to fall apart. I don't expect all-star reserves or anything like that, but depth is created when you have a strong farm and ours is awful. That's Sandy's fault and no one else's.
77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?
His off-season moves to this point = disaster.
Farm system = disaster
He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...
This has to be a deciding year.
If the Mets win like 80 games and miss the postseason again, I think they have to fire Sandy. He's had enough time and I think that's fair.
It should be a postseason or bust year. If we're still not ready for that 8 years into this thing, then he should never have had the job to begin with. Enough with the excuses and other stuff. Every team has injuries. The good ones have depth.
Sandy seems to be able to put together teams that can compete when they're at 100% - but once a few guys get hurt, everything seems to fall apart. I don't expect all-star reserves or anything like that, but depth is created when you have a strong farm and ours is awful. That's Sandy's fault and no one else's.
He won't get fired.. He will "retire" and move on to being a part time advisor.
How do his stats look this season when he’s not facing the Marlins?
He's pitched poorly against most other teams. So, while this is good to see - much like it was the first time - I need to see him shut down some better lineups. He's still having a lot of the same issues he always has.
It seems like no matter what we do, we can't escape the stench of a struggling lineup.
The production we're getting out of our cleanup spot is horrifying. We have ONE HOME RUN out of that spot this year and it's almost June. One. That's horrendous. We have the lowest SLG% in all of baseball out of that lineup spot too.
Maybe it means less because of the different ways teams are constructing lineups now, but I'm still tired of watching us struggle offensively so much.
Only 3 teams have scored fewer runs - including this Marlins team. We were basically bottom-third last year. 26th of 30 in runs scored in 2016.
As much as we picked it up in 2015, we were still below average at years' end in terms of run production.
You have to go back to 2011 for the last time the Mets were above league average in runs scored.
Because Terry Collins is a buffoon.
He's not exactly driving a ferrari.
Matt Harvey
Steve Matz
Zack Wheeler
When he was hired, I said it's a great hire if he can turn one of these three guys into either what they were before, or what we've all expected them to be. It would almost be worth it from that standpoint alone.
Harvey is gone. Matz is up and down, and Wheeler keeps showing signs, but still isn't quite getting there
So, I wouldn't say he's failed yet as far as that goes - but the odds are smaller now by default and I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever get more out of either of the two who are left here. This just might be what they are.
I'm also not crazy about Dave Eiland, but it's early.
This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.
Shocker.
Lol. Of course.
I think a lot of these guys have very good stuff but a lot of them still struggle as pitchers. I've always believed that you can't teach stuff - but you can teach pitching and location. Guys like Wheeler have everything you need to succeed - it's a mater of pitch selection, pitch location, mechanics, and consistency.
So, I do think a good pitching coach should be able to take a guy like that and turn him into something better. Within reason, of course - I'm not saying someone out there can turn Zack Wheeler into Max Scherzer. But I do think there's a lot young pitchers can learn to get better.
This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.
The numbers are simple and they aren't false.
April .174 BA / .562 OPS / 86 ABs
May .216 BA / .610 OPS / 97 ABs
June .213 BA / .677 OPS / 80 ABs
OBP was under .300 all 3 months.
Total Pre-ASB - .215 BA / .284 OBP / .654 OPS / 289 AB's
(more than half the year and more than half his AB's)
I said he "sucked first half last year" - how is that even arguable?
I think a lot of these guys have very good stuff but a lot of them still struggle as pitchers. I've always believed that you can't teach stuff - but you can teach pitching and location. Guys like Wheeler have everything you need to succeed - it's a mater of pitch selection, pitch location, mechanics, and consistency.
So, I do think a good pitching coach should be able to take a guy like that and turn him into something better. Within reason, of course - I'm not saying someone out there can turn Zack Wheeler into Max Scherzer. But I do think there's a lot young pitchers can learn to get better.
Yeah and part of it is simply getting them back on track like I said. A pitching coach should at least be able to get them back on track to what they've already shown in certain years if the stuff is there so I will agree there.
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This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.
The numbers are simple and they aren't false.
April .174 BA / .562 OPS / 86 ABs
May .216 BA / .610 OPS / 97 ABs
June .213 BA / .677 OPS / 80 ABs
OBP was under .300 all 3 months.
Total Pre-ASB - .215 BA / .284 OBP / .654 OPS / 289 AB's
(more than half the year and more than half his AB's)
I said he "sucked first half last year" - how is that even arguable?
You said he "turned it on in September in garbage time".
Reyes career wRC+ 104
Reyes over second half last year (July, August, and September) wRC+ 121
Reyes from April 24th through the end of the season? wRC+ 109.
He basically had an ice cold three week stetch to start the year and was fine after..
Was Julio Franco not available?
Not really true on Harvey his 2nd start was awful1
Umm, yeah.
The downside is?
Agreed. I really wish we had moved on from Bruce - he would have been a solid enough acquisition for the time we had him. We got some of his better recent production. But I just don't like the player. It's the type of hitter I want the Mets to get away from and he's a terrible fielder too.
All Nimmo does is get on base and he's much better in the field.
Nimmo has that stuff scarecrow posture like Hunter Pence always had. This has nothing to do with anything but the way he moves and runs always reminds me of Pence.
My sister had a 41 game plan for 4 years running and didn't renew after 2016 once they brought wife beater Reyes back. I doubt she's alone.
NY is a city with a disproportionate number of high earning females who take domestic abuse pretty seriously. It's one thing to deal with the PR disaster of having a scumbag like Reyes on the roster if he's good, but he's pretty uniformly awful, so I can't see the logic in keeping him on the roster.
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in Bruce getting less playing time rather than Nimmo.
Agreed. I really wish we had moved on from Bruce - he would have been a solid enough acquisition for the time we had him. We got some of his better recent production. But I just don't like the player. It's the type of hitter I want the Mets to get away from and he's a terrible fielder too.
All Nimmo does is get on base and he's much better in the field.
Nimmo has that stuff scarecrow posture like Hunter Pence always had. This has nothing to do with anything but the way he moves and runs always reminds me of Pence.
Poor man's Hunter Pence is a good comp for Nimmo.
77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?
His off-season moves to this point = disaster.
Farm system = disaster
He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...
77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?
His off-season moves to this point = disaster.
Farm system = disaster
He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...
This has to be a deciding year.
If the Mets win like 80 games and miss the postseason again, I think they have to fire Sandy. He's had enough time and I think that's fair.
It should be a postseason or bust year. If we're still not ready for that 8 years into this thing, then he should never have had the job to begin with. Enough with the excuses and other stuff. Every team has injuries. The good ones have depth.
Sandy seems to be able to put together teams that can compete when they're at 100% - but once a few guys get hurt, everything seems to fall apart. I don't expect all-star reserves or anything like that, but depth is created when you have a strong farm and ours is awful. That's Sandy's fault and no one else's.
Me too. He's been a fucking pest this year.
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job security has become a farce.
77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?
His off-season moves to this point = disaster.
Farm system = disaster
He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...
This has to be a deciding year.
If the Mets win like 80 games and miss the postseason again, I think they have to fire Sandy. He's had enough time and I think that's fair.
It should be a postseason or bust year. If we're still not ready for that 8 years into this thing, then he should never have had the job to begin with. Enough with the excuses and other stuff. Every team has injuries. The good ones have depth.
Sandy seems to be able to put together teams that can compete when they're at 100% - but once a few guys get hurt, everything seems to fall apart. I don't expect all-star reserves or anything like that, but depth is created when you have a strong farm and ours is awful. That's Sandy's fault and no one else's.
He won't get fired.. He will "retire" and move on to being a part time advisor.
Thanks to Nimmo for providing the only offense tonight. If they sit him to give a scrub like Jay Bruce ABs, then this team is hopeless.
Thanks to Nimmo for providing the only offense tonight. If they sit him to give a scrub like Jay Bruce ABs, then this team is hopeless.
If they are out of it by July 31, they need to trade Degrom for a haul of prospects. Jake is going to be 30 in 3 weeks.
He is my favorite Met, but it is time to retool our system with 3-4 studs.
Call up the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, Mariners, Brewers and the Rockies.
Jake is a 20 game winner on any real team with talent.