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NFT: Mets signing Joey Bats

ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 5:25 pm
Meh... don’t really get this one.
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RE: RE: Reyes sucked first half last year, terrible defensively all year  
Eric on Li : 5/22/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13972028 ZGiants98 said:
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This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.


The numbers are simple and they aren't false.

April .174 BA / .562 OPS / 86 ABs
May .216 BA / .610 OPS / 97 ABs
June .213 BA / .677 OPS / 80 ABs

OBP was under .300 all 3 months.

Total Pre-ASB - .215 BA / .284 OBP / .654 OPS / 289 AB's
(more than half the year and more than half his AB's)

I said he "sucked first half last year" - how is that even arguable?
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13972055 arcarsenal said:
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I'm not expecting Callaway or Eiland to "transform" anyone as much as I'm looking for them to get the most out of them.

I think a lot of these guys have very good stuff but a lot of them still struggle as pitchers. I've always believed that you can't teach stuff - but you can teach pitching and location. Guys like Wheeler have everything you need to succeed - it's a mater of pitch selection, pitch location, mechanics, and consistency.

So, I do think a good pitching coach should be able to take a guy like that and turn him into something better. Within reason, of course - I'm not saying someone out there can turn Zack Wheeler into Max Scherzer. But I do think there's a lot young pitchers can learn to get better.


Yeah and part of it is simply getting them back on track like I said. A pitching coach should at least be able to get them back on track to what they've already shown in certain years if the stuff is there so I will agree there.
RE: RE: RE: Reyes sucked first half last year, terrible defensively all year  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2018 10:37 pm : link
In comment 13972066 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13972028 ZGiants98 said:


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This is a false narrative. He hit up to his career averages from week three in April through the end of the year. He was also excellent over the entire second half.



The numbers are simple and they aren't false.

April .174 BA / .562 OPS / 86 ABs
May .216 BA / .610 OPS / 97 ABs
June .213 BA / .677 OPS / 80 ABs

OBP was under .300 all 3 months.

Total Pre-ASB - .215 BA / .284 OBP / .654 OPS / 289 AB's
(more than half the year and more than half his AB's)

I said he "sucked first half last year" - how is that even arguable?


You said he "turned it on in September in garbage time".

Reyes career wRC+ 104

Reyes over second half last year (July, August, and September) wRC+ 121

Reyes from April 24th through the end of the season? wRC+ 109.

He basically had an ice cold three week stetch to start the year and was fine after..
Classic Sandy Olderson move  
giantsFC : 5/22/2018 11:02 pm : link
Plan your post season schedule today. This move certainly puts them over the top along w the Vargas signing and the reliance on 3 overhyped pitchers who have been mostly hurt during their fail careers.

Was Julio Franco not available?
As soon as Harvey left the Mets, he improved dramatically  
Vanzetti : 5/23/2018 12:35 am : link
Not saying his struggles are over and he is the Dark Knight again.But what does it say about this organization that he improves greatly just by leaving the dysfunction? Just like Turner and Murph
RE: As soon as Harvey left the Mets, he improved dramatically  
gmenatlarge : 5/23/2018 6:58 am : link
In comment 13972177 Vanzetti said:
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Not saying his struggles are over and he is the Dark Knight again.But what does it say about this organization that he improves greatly just by leaving the dysfunction? Just like Turner and Murph


Not really true on Harvey his 2nd start was awful1
Desperate teams  
gmenatlarge : 5/23/2018 6:59 am : link
do desperate things! What a pathetic organization...
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2018 10:01 am : link
As sad as it sounds, I'd rather see Bautista @ 3B than Reyes. Fraze should be back soon, but in the meantime, please no more Jose.
Hopefully this results  
Metnut : 5/23/2018 10:03 am : link
in Bruce getting less playing time rather than Nimmo.
RE: Desperate teams  
schabadoo : 5/23/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13972210 gmenatlarge said:
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do desperate things! What a pathetic organization...


Umm, yeah.

The downside is?
If they..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2018 10:06 am : link
can hook Joey Bats up with a solid dealer, it might be a great signing!!
RE: Hopefully this results  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 13972389 Metnut said:
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in Bruce getting less playing time rather than Nimmo.


Agreed. I really wish we had moved on from Bruce - he would have been a solid enough acquisition for the time we had him. We got some of his better recent production. But I just don't like the player. It's the type of hitter I want the Mets to get away from and he's a terrible fielder too.

All Nimmo does is get on base and he's much better in the field.

Nimmo has that stuff scarecrow posture like Hunter Pence always had. This has nothing to do with anything but the way he moves and runs always reminds me of Pence.
I think Peter Bourjos would have been a better addition  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2018 10:28 am : link
He can play CF, still plays excellent defense, and he can be used as a pinch runner. All it would take to get him would be cash. He can't hit but neither can Bautista.
Jose needs to be DFA'd  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2018 12:41 pm : link
He brought a spark to the team in 2016 and helped make a run to the WC game. Was up and down last season. This season he is not only killing them at the plate, but his defense is now starting to cost them games.

enough of Reyes  
spike : 5/23/2018 1:32 pm : link
Mets fans aren't buying tickets because of their nostalgia for no 7.
RE: enough of Reyes  
Metnut : 5/23/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13972942 spike said:
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Mets fans aren't buying tickets because of their nostalgia for no 7.


My sister had a 41 game plan for 4 years running and didn't renew after 2016 once they brought wife beater Reyes back. I doubt she's alone.

NY is a city with a disproportionate number of high earning females who take domestic abuse pretty seriously. It's one thing to deal with the PR disaster of having a scumbag like Reyes on the roster if he's good, but he's pretty uniformly awful, so I can't see the logic in keeping him on the roster.
RE: RE: Hopefully this results  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13972435 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13972389 Metnut said:


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in Bruce getting less playing time rather than Nimmo.



Agreed. I really wish we had moved on from Bruce - he would have been a solid enough acquisition for the time we had him. We got some of his better recent production. But I just don't like the player. It's the type of hitter I want the Mets to get away from and he's a terrible fielder too.

All Nimmo does is get on base and he's much better in the field.

Nimmo has that stuff scarecrow posture like Hunter Pence always had. This has nothing to do with anything but the way he moves and runs always reminds me of Pence.


Poor man's Hunter Pence is a good comp for Nimmo.
Sandy's  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2018 5:05 pm : link
job security has become a farce.


77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?

His off-season moves to this point = disaster.

Farm system = disaster

He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...
RE: Sandy's  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13973286 DanMetroMan said:
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job security has become a farce.


77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?

His off-season moves to this point = disaster.

Farm system = disaster

He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...


This has to be a deciding year.

If the Mets win like 80 games and miss the postseason again, I think they have to fire Sandy. He's had enough time and I think that's fair.

It should be a postseason or bust year. If we're still not ready for that 8 years into this thing, then he should never have had the job to begin with. Enough with the excuses and other stuff. Every team has injuries. The good ones have depth.

Sandy seems to be able to put together teams that can compete when they're at 100% - but once a few guys get hurt, everything seems to fall apart. I don't expect all-star reserves or anything like that, but depth is created when you have a strong farm and ours is awful. That's Sandy's fault and no one else's.
No game thread?  
JayBinQueens : 5/23/2018 7:17 pm : link
Happy to see Dietrich get plunked
RE: No game thread?  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13973404 JayBinQueens said:
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Happy to see Dietrich get plunked


Me too. He's been a fucking pest this year.
RE: RE: Sandy's  
spike : 5/23/2018 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13973378 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13973286 DanMetroMan said:


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job security has become a farce.


77, 74, 74, 79, 90, 87, 70... that should = primo job security?

His off-season moves to this point = disaster.

Farm system = disaster

He's drafted roughly 280 players and this is what we have to show for it...



This has to be a deciding year.

If the Mets win like 80 games and miss the postseason again, I think they have to fire Sandy. He's had enough time and I think that's fair.

It should be a postseason or bust year. If we're still not ready for that 8 years into this thing, then he should never have had the job to begin with. Enough with the excuses and other stuff. Every team has injuries. The good ones have depth.

Sandy seems to be able to put together teams that can compete when they're at 100% - but once a few guys get hurt, everything seems to fall apart. I don't expect all-star reserves or anything like that, but depth is created when you have a strong farm and ours is awful. That's Sandy's fault and no one else's.

He won't get fired.. He will "retire" and move on to being a part time advisor.
DeGrom is a legit  
Metnut : 5/23/2018 9:18 pm : link
ace and maybe top 5 mlb starter.

Thanks to Nimmo for providing the only offense tonight. If they sit him to give a scrub like Jay Bruce ABs, then this team is hopeless.
RE: DeGrom is a legit  
spike : 5/23/2018 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13973554 Metnut said:
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ace and maybe top 5 mlb starter.

Thanks to Nimmo for providing the only offense tonight. If they sit him to give a scrub like Jay Bruce ABs, then this team is hopeless.


If they are out of it by July 31, they need to trade Degrom for a haul of prospects. Jake is going to be 30 in 3 weeks.

He is my favorite Met, but it is time to retool our system with 3-4 studs.

Call up the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, Mariners, Brewers and the Rockies.

Jake is a 20 game winner on any real team with talent.
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