I keep thinking about that pick.....The Browns did a good job of keeping this quiet, until the last 24 hours when the rumors started...
Were the Browns right in taking him with the first pick?
Will he be the best qb of this qb class?
I mean, we might not truly know for at least 5 seasons....
Did the Browns get it right this time, or are the Browns still cursed at picking qb's?
On paper, this offense looks like it can go from last to in the top 10, overnight......
But will Taylor be the qb, or will Mayfield see the field this season?
What do you think BBI?
It will be interesting to see how Manziel Pt 2 performs. I can’t imagine he will be nearly as bad as the original.
It will be interesting to see how Manziel Pt 2 performs. I can’t imagine he will be nearly as bad as the original.
He is not Manziel part deux. He is not Russell Wilson part deux.
What he is, is the most accurate QB in the draft, with enough mobility to avoid the rush and the ability to make all the reads in the progression.
He is a rookie like all the other rookies. I think he will do well and sooner than the others.
Logic and empirical Science! would dictate Mayfield is playing in the CFL in a few years.
It is their #4 pick that has me scratching my head. A good player, for sure, but I would have taken Chubb or Roquan Smith there.
Dorsey is probably mandating his coaches incorporate spread concepts like Andy Reid did in Kansas City, so that helps him.
If he came out of a pro-style offense I wouldn’t have any doubts about Baker making it. So time will tell.
Phil Simms has repeatedly said height is not that important as even a 6'4" QB cannot see over his lineman.
The immaturity thing is, quite frankly, BS - overblown.
Rosen could do well in a place like Arizona or Miami. Problematic for the Giants.
I don't think he would have done well in NYC though. I suspect that's why the Giants dismissed him quickly (there was one report to that effect). He's better off in a less visible market, less pressured market.
Remember, the Browns chewed up and spit out Deshon Kizer after just one year. How patient will they be with Mayfield? How will losing Thomas affect the OL? what if Josh Gordon gets another suspension?
I can see the Browns becoming a 5-6 win team, which would be a rousing success for Mayfield, or they might play Taylor and suffer yet another disasterous season.
Remember, the Browns chewed up and spit out Deshon Kizer after just one year. How patient will they be with Mayfield? How will losing Thomas affect the OL? what if Josh Gordon gets another suspension?
I can see the Browns becoming a 5-6 win team, which would be a rousing success for Mayfield, or they might play Taylor and suffer yet another disasterous season.
Only reason Kizer started last year was because they had absolutely no one that could start in front of him.
Taylor isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. He had absolutely no one to throw to in Buffalo and got them to the Playoffs last year.
Mayfield will end up playing sometime this year, because Taylor will get hurt, as he does every year.
Buffalo got to the playoffs on the strength of their defense and Shady McCoy, one of the most underrated backs in the game.
Buffalo got to the playoffs on the strength of their defense and Shady McCoy, one of the most underrated backs in the game.
Backs are a dime a dozen
My only question with Mayfield, is how is he going to be when the game is on the line. Darnold had the goods under the gun, does Mayfield?
My only question with Mayfield, is how is he going to be when the game is on the line. Darnold had the goods under the gun, does Mayfield?
His games against Ohio State and Georgia aren't what worries me. He played in a system that doesn't translate well to the next level. It's like a 50/50 chance he makes it just because of that.
Arizona might not be a great fit as they have a new HC, a new DC, an aging WR corp and a mediocre OL.
I don't see things turning around quickly there, and David Johnson is going to have to prove he can stay healthy.
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did a number on both Ohio State and Georgia through the air. That's nothing to sneeze at.
My only question with Mayfield, is how is he going to be when the game is on the line. Darnold had the goods under the gun, does Mayfield?
His games against Ohio State and Georgia aren't what worries me. He played in a system that doesn't translate well to the next level. It's like a 50/50 chance he makes it just because of that.
Was Oklahoma's system all that much different than what Philly runs now? Did he have to look at the sidelines after every play for the next play call? Unlike many successful college QB's, Mayfield was winning with his arm, not his legs, which is pretty rare nowadays.
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Report-NFL-executives-prefer-QB-Sam-Darnold-117324942
Former NFL General Manager Charley Casserly, now with NFL Network, polled 24 league executives to gauge the best quarterback prospect in the 2018 NFL Draft.
According to Casserly, 17 of those executives prefer USC quarterback Sam Darnold, 3 prefer Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield, 2 prefer UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen and 2 prefer Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen. When he tallied the votes, from first to fourth, Darnold was first followed by Allen, Mayfield and Rosen.
I don't watch with a scouts eye, I watch with a fan's eye, however sometimes it's obvious...and to me, I have hard time seeing him failing. He's got a high floor and a much higher ceiling than most are giving him credit for.
All supposition. John Dorsey made the decision and Chris Mortensen reported that he knew who he was taking six weeks before the draft.
Haslam flew up to Wyoming and sat with Josh Allen's parents on the same trip he saw Darnold.
Alonzo Highsmith, Browns VP of Personnel, said Mayfield changed his mind during the process (away from Darnold) but it was never Highsmith's decision to make.
Unless Dorsey himself chooses to reveal more at some point, we'll never know for sure, but there is no hard evidence that he changed his own mind late in the process.
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Browns were picking Darnold and then something happened. The cover story was that they were keeping it quiet but Darnold was higher on their board. Not sure exactly what drove it. I know the Jets put out a desperate We Love Baker smokescreen to try and raise his profile hoping the Browns will bite. Maybe they did? Maybe it was Haslam calling this shot? But when you have Darnold to Cleveland for months, Haslam sitting with his family at pro day, Darnold signing Browns mini helmets at the Browns facility (what agent would have him do that if he didn't have assurances) and Darnold wearing the brown tie/mother wearing brown nail polish at the draft...it's pretty clear there was a late shift and not something they were all lockstep with for weeks
All supposition. John Dorsey made the decision and Chris Mortensen reported that he knew who he was taking six weeks before the draft.
Haslam flew up to Wyoming and sat with Josh Allen's parents on the same trip he saw Darnold.
Alonzo Highsmith, Browns VP of Personnel, said Mayfield changed his mind during the process (away from Darnold) but it was never Highsmith's decision to make.
Unless Dorsey himself chooses to reveal more at some point, we'll never know for sure, but there is no hard evidence that he changed his own mind late in the process.
Fair. But there seemed to be a lot of Darnold to Cleveland smoke until the very late hour. I think the Darnold camp was clearly told something and then something else transpired. Nobody to blame here as it's a draft and they can change their mind on the clock if they want to, but I just don't feel Dorsey knew for weeks...and I also have a hunch they were seriously considering Allen...having Tyrod it would've worked out well having him sit for two years. But Allen definitely fits the mold of the type of QB you'd want in the AFC North.
Dorsey never said that. He said he had attended a number of Mayfield's games, but he did not say he would take him number one.
McGloughan did say Mayfield was his number one QB in the class.
And, to emphasize this and amend my previous post, I've found that Dorsey did speak after the draft about when he made his decision. And it was just as Chris Mortensen reported: about six weeks beforehand, after a private workout with Mayfield in Norman.
"I personally knew when I walked away from the Norman, Oklahoma workout -- I just kept it to myself for a while,'' Dorsey said Tuesday on 92.3 The Fan. "I kind of knew but that was the moment that I said maybe, you know that 'that's the guy.'"
not a last minute - ( New Window )
I agree with this post. I would have taken Chubb if I were them at 4 but hey, it’s the browns
I thought Mayfield was the most exciting QB prospect to enter the draft in a long time. And the reasons are obvious. But he also has a high bust potential. His game is dependent upon movement, and his ability to move successfully is dependent upon him having adequate athleticism relative to the defenders. In the NFL, I'm not sure he will.
The other issue is his mouth. The NY sports media piranhas would have eaten him alive.
the odds are too stacked
only 2 QBs 6-1 and under have won Super Bowl
Russell Wilson Drew Brees
and they are currently the only short QBs that start in NFL
And it says something that he walked on to the OU football program and won the Heisman, at the QB position. There is something special about a person that does that.
It would not shock me at all to see him succeed and take the Browns to new heights.
Said he wants to be Rookie of the year, when Barkley was asked the
Same question he said he wanted to help the team win a championship
Mayfield is great QB but the chip on his shoulder may NOT play to his
advantage......
Thank you George Young, Ernie Accorsi and David Gettleman.
However, if the Giants were not sold on the QBs, it was not worth the risk of making that pick at #2 because not only do you bust at a QB, but also bust at the #2 pick and those types of moves set franchises back 5 years.
As the whispers came from the scouts that this batch of QBs wasn't as hot as advertised at the start of the college football season, the fact that Barkley went to the Giants might end up being one of the great steals of all time, if he turns out to be the next Marshall Faulk/ LaDanian Tomlinson.
And we discussed it on BBI and I had mentioned after the Jets trade, it is not out of the realm of possibility that the NY Jets could end up screwing themselves and the Browns, and made the Giants stronger in their move up to #3.
I think the Browns plan was to draft Barkley at #1, figure the Giants go for Darnold or Rosen, the Colts would take anyone but a QB, and they would be sitting there at #4 for Mayfield, since they knew the Giants wouldn't take Mayfield.
Once the Jets traded up to #3, they knew that Mayfield would never get past them. So they had to shuffle the deck, prioritize Mayfield over Barkley (who was the best player in this draft). That left Barkley to the Giants, who when you weigh their draft board and Gettleman saying not to overthink the #2 pick, and not talking yourself into a QB, made Barkley an easy pick.
Is it out of the realm to see a scenario where Barkley turns into one of the most dynamic offensive players in the NFL, along with Beckham and Engram and the Giants have a dangerous offense. Meanwhile, Mayfield and Darnold flounder as middling NFL QBs?
The Browns took a major risk with essentially a sure thing in Barkley and went with a boom/bust in Mayfield. If history is a guide, the Browns screwed up.
I've been saying this all along. There's so much "either/or" nonsense posted here. If you think, it's very easy to believe that the Giants think that Eli is near done AND that none of the QBs were worth taking with their highest pick in 37 years.
If history repeats itself again we can expect new GMs in both cities in short order.
Is it out of the realm to see a scenario where Barkley turns into one of the most dynamic offensive players in the NFL, along with Beckham and Engram and the Giants have a dangerous offense. Meanwhile, Mayfield and Darnold flounder as middling NFL QBs?
Is it out of the realm to see a scenario where the Giants flounder as a middling team and one or more of those QBs turn into something special?
Since Barkley was selected he has really won me over both on and off the field. This is the type of kid you want as the face of your franchise and he was considered by most as the best player in the draft.
Not true. He struggled mightily during his final two years in St. Louis. He also didn't play well with the Giants with the exception of the first few games. His first two years in Arizona weren't very good either.
Darnold doesn't seem like the same kind of aggressive personality; he's more of a lead-by-example type. Rosen also hates to lose, and (as we saw after the draft) can be pretty vocal, but I'm sure the Browns felt his injury history made him a riskier pick than Mayfield. I know everybody thought Josh Allen would be a great fit there but he's a VERY risky pick, because his college production wasn't really that good.
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looked bad when he was playing through concussions.
Not true. He struggled mightily during his final two years in St. Louis. He also didn't play well with the Giants with the exception of the first few games. His first two years in Arizona weren't very good either.
There is certainly a chance I will overdose on crow, but I feel very confident Mayfield will be, at best, a serviceable QB. And not come close to living up to his billing.
...a star in the NFL!
To be able to get two of Chubb/Nelson/Barkley AND Jackson and not do it was pretty poor draft management.
I thought the best two QB's were Rosen and Mayfield.
I think at least one of the QB's is going to outshine Barkley. With that said looking forward big-time of seeing a great rb along with OBJ.
It wasn't. The Giants Head Coach liked Allen. I liked Barkley over Allen. Definitely.
Since Barkley was selected he has really won me over both on and off the field. This is the type of kid you want as the face of your franchise and he was considered by most as the best player in the draft.
I'm still disappointed but I do like Barkley. If any Qb can play well - then they have something special.
But what if you think Eli is done? If Eli is done- it's very hard to NOT being disappointed. I hope ELi shuts my mouth this year and the Giants make a run.
Thank God, I did not hit "submit"
None of the QBs had to be better than Barkley. They just needed to be close, and since they played at a more critical position, that elevates their value to be > than Barkley's.
Furthermore, the salary cap arrangement is actually why drafting a QB high makes a ton of sense. If you hit on a QB under his rookie contract, that is a tremendous cap benefit. Looks like the Rams actually hit on Goff, right? His cap hit? $7.5M. Nice to have.
Eventually, those cap chickens will come home to roost, and the Rams will have to make some tough decisions, but that low cap hit with Goff certainly helped the Rams to be ultra aggressive in the free agency window this year...and they are ALL IN.
His learning curve may be a little longer than expected because the difference of offensive systems from college to the NFL.
His learning curve may be a little longer than expected because the difference of offensive systems from college to the NFL.
I love it XD They should rename themselves the Cleveland Schadenfreude.
Don't agree relative to cap $ thoughts.
His learning curve may be a little longer than expected because the difference of offensive systems from college to the NFL.
But their Defense must be ballin' though!
Its all crap...