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In comment 13972953 nygiants16 said: Quote: If they go mikal I want a risky player with the 2nd rounder, take a chance... I know all 2nd rounders are nothing guaranteed but I am talking no draft stash, no 4 year college player who we know his ceiling... Funny, I was gonna add that if they play it safe with Mikal at #9, I'd like to shoot for the moon with Diallo at #36, if he's there. I agree completely - one safe pick and one gamble. I don't really care which order.

Hahaha si weird diallo was the guy I was thinking

In comment 13972945 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 13972883 Phil in LA said: Quote: Is the preferable Bridges, but since the Knicks are gonna be young and could be without KP for a while, I hope they choose a high ceiling Freshman. Porter would be the dream pick for me but I just can't see him lasting to 9. Sexton definitely has high upside but I just prefer Mikal as an nba prospect.

Agreed. I think Porter Jr. falling to #9 is the ideal scenario

Have tons more NBA upside than upperclasmen later in drafts. From this draft class alone you had Kuzma, Hart, mason, bell, brooks. Year before you had Brogdon and Lavert. 2015 you had Nance, Richardson, and Harrell as the big sleepers. I�m not seeing this correlation with freshmen and ceilings; the freshmen that are well regarded are taken high in the draft. The freshmen that go later usually should be staying in college or fear they won�t get drafted later on if they do.

In comment 13973051 giantsfan44ab said:

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Have tons more NBA upside than upperclasmen later in drafts. From this draft class alone you had Kuzma, Hart, mason, bell, brooks. Year before you had Brogdon and Lavert. 2015 you had Nance, Richardson, and Harrell as the big sleepers. I�m not seeing this correlation with freshmen and ceilings; the freshmen that are well regarded are taken high in the draft. The freshmen that go later usually should be staying in college or fear they won�t get drafted later on if they do.

Are any of those guys superstars? Or have a chance to be stars besides maybe luzma?

You draft a freshman because you hope you have not seen their best ball, with seniors you most likely have

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In comment 13973061 Phil in LA said:

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of Knicks possible second rounders.

I always got the sense that Hami Diallo has always had the potential to be a lot better than he played at Kentucky. He's an INSANE athlete, but he never seemed to play up to it.

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In comment 13973083 nygiants16 said:

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I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK.

And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.

In comment 13973104 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13973083 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. I think Kentucky BIG men are hard to evaluate because Cal doesn't stretch his bigs out. Which is why there were hidden elements to Skal and KAT. I don't see the same issue with guards/wings from UK. And back to the freshmen debate. Where are the freshmen superstars that are falling back into the draft? The theory that freshmen have higher upside is just that, a theory. And I'm talking about late 1st/2nd round, not the freshmen that are clogging the top 10-15 of draft boards every year.

Did I say you would definitely find a superstar? No what I said was if you are going to go with the safe pick in mikal, go with a riskier type player that might fall and see if you get lucky...

And yes taking freshman is absolutely a bigger risk..

Mikal at worst case is a 3 and d guy, there is no risk there in my eyes...

Look at Booker for example, did anyone know he had playmaking ability? No everyone thought he was a spot up shooter because that is all you saw...

Jaren jackson jr is considered a top pick because of his upside, nothing he did in college it is all upside...

Harry Giles was taken in the 1st round because of his upside

Half these guys would not be considered in the lottery...

In comment 13973114 nygiants16 said:

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Half these guys would not be considered in the lottery...

NY16 I was talking about the freshmen that fall into the 2nd round. Classifying all of these guys as freshmen and basing it off that I don't think is reflective of the draft process. Guys like Booker aren't who I am referring to. Booker was a surefire lottery pick and was being talked about as high as the 4th-5th pick in some instances. Diallo is not at all that. He wasn't riding the pine behind the harrison twins, he started every game. Couldn't pass, couldn't hit 3s, shitty FT shooter and a non-defender.

There were tangible basketball skills pushing Booker's stock. Same with JJJ (3 blocks a game in 20 mpg, combined with 3 point shooting and freakish athleticism). Diallo's stock is all based on athleticism and HS tape. He wasn't overshadowed by other UK starters like Booker or Bledsoe were.

My point stands: where are all these freshmen falling to the 2nd round that are blowing the NBA out of the water? All the sleepers end up being upper classmen that fell due to age and not strictly basketball ability. Freshman in the 2nd round certainly are bigger risks, but are also lower rewards.

All I am saying is taking a guy with a little higher upside...

Upper classmen 9 times out of 10 you have seen their best...

I want 1 of the draft picks to be a riskier guy with higher upside, that is all I am saying..

I dont want to "safe" picks

he is not going to be an upper tier player. He can be an athletic marvel, but it�s hard to develop a perimeter game. Knocking down open 3�s and catching lobs don�t translate to a great player. Also, I haven�t seen him being labeled a great defender.

I�d call him a poor man�s Derrick Williams, who was even more impressive in college.

Same thing with Mikal. Undersized SF.

We need somebody with a dynamic offensive game.

upside doesn't reside in age. You aren't finding superstars frequently in general in the 2nd round. More often than not it's the upper classmen that have more upside later in drafts. Draymond, Kuzma, Milsap were some of the best 2nd rounders to come out ever, all were upper classmen. Euro players are the other ones that end up being sleepers (Marc Gasol, Ginobili, Jokic)

In comment 13973130 Jim in Hoboken said:

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he is not going to be an upper tier player. He can be an athletic marvel, but it�s hard to develop a perimeter game. Knocking down open 3�s and catching lobs don�t translate to a great player. Also, I haven�t seen him being labeled a great defender. I�d call him a poor man�s Derrick Williams, who was even more impressive in college. Same thing with Mikal. Undersized SF. We need somebody with a dynamic offensive game.

Why cant he play small forward?

And why cant mikal play small forward?

It cant be because they are to big

Miles will be a 3/4

Guard NBA 3�s, he would get toasted everytime. Here is my early preference.

1. Porter Jr. - if he is there at 6-7 range I would offer, 2020 protected 1st rounder to move up.
2. Sexton

If you can�t get either of these guys I would see if Clippers would take 9 and 36 for 12 and 13.

If that trade is not possible then

3. Mikhail Bridges
4. Knox

In comment 13973236 GMEN46 said:

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Guard NBA 3�s, he would get toasted everytime. Here is my early preference. 1. Porter Jr. - if he is there at 6-7 range I would offer, 2020 protected 1st rounder to move up. 2. Sexton If you can�t get either of these guys I would see if Clippers would take 9 and 36 for 12 and 13. If that trade is not possible then 3. Mikhail Bridges 4. Knox

Hahahahaha he guarded 3s in college and I am sure college 3s are much smaller than nba 3s...

In fact if the Knicks drafted him and started him he would be one of the smallest 3s in the nba starter wise...

But please tell me again how he cant guard 3s because he would be toasted

has some red flags around his character.

Nothing all that surprising, aside from Dejounte Murray getting on the all second team. No Knicks got votes :(
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compares favorably to Covington, who just was named all first team defense. He, KP and Frank is a really powerful defensive trio who can all shoot (I'm projecting a big for Frank here). That's a really nice cornerstone to build around.

In comment 13973297 Jon in NYC said:

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compares favorably to Covington, who just was named all first team defense. He, KP and Frank is a really powerful defensive trio who can all shoot (I'm projecting a big for Frank here). That's a really nice cornerstone to build around.

It gives you a nice defensive base to. Build around

In comment 13973297 Jon in NYC said:

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compares favorably to Covington, who just was named all first team defense. He, KP and Frank is a really powerful defensive trio who can all shoot (I'm projecting a big for Frank here). That's a really nice cornerstone to build around.

The Mavs championship team obviously looks like an anomaly but that's kind of how I see the Knicks path to contention. Get lockdown defenders that can shoot and run the offense through KP. PGs and Centers are the two easiest positions to add through FA or through trade.

are with Fiz and Frank in Boston.

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explosive but might not be sufficiently agile to guard 3�s. Skill-wise he is a 4, but size-wise he�s a 3.

There is no way you can tell me that you have full confidence he will add a dribble-drive game. I am also not convinced that he has the quicks to guard on the perimeter.

Undersized 4�s from college usually don�t translate to the pro�s.

Nobody is saying he�s too small to guard 3�s. And how dare you question GMen46 after the Mitchell debacle?

Mikal looks to me like a taller Kittles. I am not excited about that at all.

In comment 13973399 Jim in Hoboken said:

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explosive but might not be sufficiently agile to guard 3�s. Skill-wise he is a 4, but size-wise he�s a 3. There is no way you can tell me that you have full confidence he will add a dribble-drive game. I am also not convinced that he has the quicks to guard on the perimeter. Undersized 4�s from college usually don�t translate to the pro�s. Nobody is saying he�s too small to guard 3�s. And how dare you question GMen46 after the Mitchell debacle? Mikal looks to me like a taller Kittles. I am not excited about that at all.

He guarded 3s in college and played the 3 in college...

He guarded much smaller players in college and not for nothing he wouldn't be guarding guys smaller than him in the pros...

And so gmen46 guessed right on one player so we should all listen to him? What a joke...

out, even the pro personnel people.

However, the objective should be to swing for the fences, not look for singles and doubles. You don't build a championship team by stockpiling role players.

In comment 13973448 Jim in Hoboken said:

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out, even the pro personnel people. However, the objective should be to swing for the fences, not look for singles and doubles. You don't build a championship team by stockpiling role players.

Then we view miles bridges completely different...

Mikal I agree he is the safe conservative pick, miles I think is going to surprise a lot of people

In comment 13973271 RAIN said:

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has some red flags around his character.

Really? What about? Seems like a good kid.

�Scoring and character are must-haves for stars, and he has both,� a scout texted me. �[Porter] maybe ends up a star but it�s unobvious now. Last player everyone knew [would shine] out of high school was [Anthony Davis].�

You are such a hater on my scouting skill set. Why not show some respect

In comment 13973502 GMEN46 said:

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You are such a hater on my scouting skill set. Why not show some respect

I gave you respect for calling out Mitchell but I am not going to bow down to you because you got 1 right...

defense of Miles Bridges as a top prospect seems to be misguided here.

When you look at recent comps to him, he's too much of a tweener to find a role in the NBA.

In comment 13973583 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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defense of Miles Bridges as a top prospect seems to be misguided here. When you look at recent comps to him, he's too much of a tweener to find a role in the NBA.

everyone is a tweener in the nba now, everyone plays positionless basketball...

last night the the rockets were playing ariza and tucker as big men...

draymond green is a starting center...

teams are going smaller and faster..

and there is zero evidence he cant play the 3, he is 6 foot 7 and 220, he absolutely can play the 3

does Miles Bridges do well other than jump?

In comment 13973736 Jon in NYC said:

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does Miles Bridges do well other than jump?

good passer, almost averaged 3 assists his 2 years at michigan state...

improved mid range, and i think his 3 point shot will be fine in the nba, neess to inprove but i think he can do it...

versatile player, can pkay the 3 or 4 with kp at the 5 against certain teams...

obviously very good athlete..

hard worker, gym rat, got to michigan state at 240, weighed in at the combine 220 with 5 percent body fat...

good head on his shoulders, was a leader on his team as a sopjmore...

ubder utilized in my opinion at michigan state, they had a lot of big man, i thknk would of showed more in a more up tempo offense...

fizdale wants positionless and free flowing offense, i think he fits it perfectly

i think he can be a very good defender, i dont think effort will be a problem..

i see a ton of upside with him...

it is why i also like knox...

In comment 13973742 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13973736 Jon in NYC said: Quote: does Miles Bridges do well other than jump? good passer, almost averaged 3 assists his 2 years at michigan state... improved mid range, and i think his 3 point shot will be fine in the nba, neess to inprove but i think he can do it... versatile player, can pkay the 3 or 4 with kp at the 5 against certain teams... obviously very good athlete.. hard worker, gym rat, got to michigan state at 240, weighed in at the combine 220 with 5 percent body fat... good head on his shoulders, was a leader on his team as a sopjmore... ubder utilized in my opinion at michigan state, they had a lot of big man, i thknk would of showed more in a more up tempo offense... fizdale wants positionless and free flowing offense, i think he fits it perfectly

Almost averaged 3 assists? Not giving you credit for that, I'm sorry.

You just named a bunch of non NBA skills and fluff terms and that his shooting needs to improve.

he shot 48 percent from 2, and 38 percent from 3...

doesnt have to improve that much

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"I'd be shocked if they took a guard at 9," the league source told SNY.tv. "I'd be shocked." The Knicks have a glut of point guards in Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, and Frank Ntilikina, all of whom worked out at the team's Tarrytown facility earlier this week. The wing-starved Knicks are more likely to to select a wing or a four man. There is a chance Duke's Wendell Carter Jr., or Missouri's Michael Porter Jr. could fall to the Knicks at 9, but that doesn't appear likely. The 6-10 Carter Jr. is projected at No. 7 to the Bulls and the 6-10 Porter Jr. is projected to go to the Cavs at 8, per ESPN. "Everybody wants Carter and Porter to fall," the source said. "[The Knicks] are looking for a wing, a four, a five, they're not taking a guard. They're not taking a guard."

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Are either MSU alums or you are not watching the same film. You can watch him for 10 minutes and realize he will be an average NBA player at best. It�s the same thing I said last year I don�t want average with a lottery pick.

It also has Michael Porter Jr. still available after 10 picks

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ESPN Mock show had Michael Porter at 15. Back and "teammate" quality concerns expressed. Seems crazy to have him out of the lottery to me. 🤷‍♂️

has too much upside to pass on at 9.

In comment 13978322 Jon in NYC said:

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has too much upside to pass on at 9.

Agreed

Reminds me of SG0705

But I would take Troy Brown over him,but that's just me.

Not really a fan of his twin brother Miles

The Knicks would be lucky to sniff Porter. Once teams see how well he shoots and moves for somone so big, whatever concerns go out the window. Health issues are different though but I haven�t read his back issues will linger. Admittedly I don�t know much about the exact nature of his back problem.

Carter didn�t stand out at Duke, didn�t seem that explosive off the floor, I wouldn�t be that excited about him.

How teams view Sexton and Young will be key.